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BvL
11-30-2004, 09:51 PM
Hi this is my first post on this forum, I’m not sure if you think this is relevant or not.
It appears to be a subject that gets completely missed on your average NWO conspiracy site but then taking another look at what is going on through the knowledge of the rest of the plan and hierarchy responsible I am beginning to think it does indeed represent a fundamental and maybe even essential aspect to the plan. Now I know it is well known that the Illuminati are said to be into heavy-duty satanic rituals and the like but this is very much hidden from the average persons view. What is however much more plainly in view in the area where I come from is a lot of lower level occult practices generally under the umbrella of the new age movement.

I’m not aware of how much of this you may have come into contact with but on the surface it can entice many people from all walks of life and for such a wide range of reasons. It sort of dovetails well into our society of corporate jobs, stress and so on by offering ‘healing’, also it can appeal to so many other interests its almost without limit in the areas that it tries to market itself. Yoga for people into fitness, meditation as stress relief, music for the musician, festivals, political protests, environmental concerns, arts and crafts, religion, indigenous cultures and so on.

Now looking at it from behind the facade of a ‘something for everyone’ there is an entirely different story. Contrary to popular belief that this movement just occurred spontaneously it originally came into being through a bunch of Freemasons who persuaded a Russian woman called Blavatsky to channel a lot of information which was put into books. This channelled information was said to have originated from some ascended masters that were apparently her Freemason friends. Later on she wanted to quit this as the horrific stuff she was being persuaded to write about became objectionable to her. This all happened at the end of the 19th century and another person by the name of Alice Bailey took it up a little later on in a number of books she wrote. One important book was called the externalisation of the hierarchy which details how the whole system of the new age fits together and rather akin to a modern corporate structure in many respects. The book is horrendous in places especially where it mentions that in the new age a large proportion of society, or the ones who will not be initiated into the Luciferian cult will end up dying. But due to the concept of reincarnation this extermination of the population is considered to be a good thing in that it is a chance to be reborn again.

So that was what was said at the turn of the century and in 1976 as prophesised in the original writings that said the new age will be kept secret for 100 years, true to these words we started to see various authors write about it. Marilyn Ferguson was the first to really spell it out around about 1980 and as we know in the last 10 years or so it has expanded into a multi billion pound industry. The Lucis Trust is one of the main organisations behind it today, which acts as a major publisher and is backed by various international banks and rich foundations. It used to be called the Lucifer Trust but they considered the name too obvious although no suspicion seems to have arisen out of the new agers minds with the abbreviated version.

As for the reason for all of this massive investment by elite bankers it appears to be their answer to a one-world religion for a one-world order. It is at the same time being used to infiltrate the Christian church and turn it into something that is the antithesis to Christianity in order to destroy it. The other points that are relevant are that it is helping along the plan to destroy the family unit and replace it with a communal style of living and it is heavily into mind control. The most potent form is the spiritual mind control which it excels at and draws on a number of old pagan religions such as Hinduism, ancient Egyptian, which of course is a favourite illuminati choice along with Gnostic and other influences. It is a very complex subject and I have only really skimmed the surface here but I hope that will help people see how big an issue it is turning out to be.

WSH
12-01-2004, 12:04 PM
Great post, BvL.

I've only been delving into the history and nature of the NWO for a little less than a month. I tripped upon it while searching for info on what I believed were "9/11 conspiracy nuts." Little did I know I'd end up becoming one. ;)

The thing that sold me on the legitimacy of "conspiracy theories" is the very subject you bring up - the New Age movement and Lucis Trust. It was one thing for me to read accusations from "nuts" and "kooks". It was quite another to actually go to the Lucis Trust website and read what they have to say about themselves. To the ignorant, their explanation of the significance their Great Invocation would seem loony at worst, profound at best. But to someone like me, someone who grew up in a cult, someone who has since taught himself from the Bible, it was like reading the playbook of Satan himself.

Lucis Trust actually comes out and SAYS Christians are the enemy. Take a peak.

To hate, to be separate, and to be exclusive will come to be regarded as the only sin, for it will be recognized that all the sins as listed, and now regarded as wrong, only stem from hate or from its product, the anti-social consciousness.

and this gem...

His coming is largely dependent, as we shall later see, upon the establishing of right human relations. This the church has hindered down the centuries, and has not helped because of its fanatical zeal to make "Christians" of all peoples and not followers of the Christ.

You need decoder glasses to see what's really being said. The translation is effectively, "In the coming New World Order, the only sin will be the stubborn refusal of some to confirm to our new One World Mystery Religion. The Antichrist's coming has been hindered by this one true sin."

falcon
12-01-2004, 04:16 PM
BVL you said:
The Lucis Trust is one of the main organisations behind it today, which acts as a major publisher and is backed by various international banks and rich foundations. It used to be called the Lucifer Trust but they considered the name too obvious although no suspicion seems to have arisen out of the new agers minds with the abbreviated version.

-Yea Lucifer Trust is too obvious, but if those idiots want to actually hide their intentions, they should consider changing their name to something more discreet than Lucis Trust. That has NWO written all over it, and the companies symbol adds to that. A pyramid shaped sun circle, oh yea I never saw THAT coming. Good post btw.

sablefish
12-01-2004, 08:45 PM
http://www.historicist.com/hw.htm.... The Bible itself has been changed to fit the New World Order's plans.. The Scofield influence on The Bible has twisted Christianity.. Let me give you an example.. I was always taught that the Lords Prayer went like "Forgive us our debts as we forgive out debtors"..

But that has all been changed in my lifetime.. to: Forgive us our trespasses.... ad nauseam..

For the reason that the NWO is a bunch of banking families, and they don't want us to think in terms of forgiving debts of any kind.. Because that is what makes them the aristocracy.. Our debts, created by their politicians, disguised as democrats and republicans

The U.S. Constitution was created to stop the Rothschilds, and their aristocracy of wars and deceit.

nohope187
12-11-2004, 03:00 PM
There's alot written about New Age stuff at conspiracyarchive.com everything from witchcraft to occult symbols and their meanings and what have you. Eet's a good read, man! :-P

BvL
12-11-2004, 07:28 PM
Yes it is a good link for the New Age and one of the first I came across in an attempt to understand exactly what the plan is. You may be interested in this link which is part of an online book written by a Jewish psychologist.

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/newage.html

Actually I would be interested if anyone has ever attempted to explain to a Newager what their new age is really in aid of. They have a very weird perspective from what I have found in that they believe in a sort of idealism. This is where you could say everything is real only from an individual’s perspective. They maintain no concept of absolutes in the world they live. If I were to say to them for example it is wrong to murder they would reply that is my 'truth' and what I believe. In their world two people with opposite 'truths' can coexist without a problem. So from that perspective it would be impossible to make sense of anything as it defies rationalism head on and sort of relies on experiences, in that you experience something to understand it. Also on top of this there is a doctrine that they follow which is absolute and not open to question. So can you spot the logical contradiction, I have found it almost impossible to point it out to them. The term brainwashed regularly springs to mind.

nohope187
12-11-2004, 07:33 PM
Um... lets see, the basic thought process behind every new ager is sex, drugs, and rock and roll man! Heavy on the drugs though. :-P

nohope187
12-11-2004, 07:40 PM
Far out, man! Hold up, let me go get another beer! :pint: Drink 'em if you got 'em! :-P

zanyzan311
12-12-2004, 10:19 AM
thats my boy nohope :pint:

madkhao
12-12-2004, 11:31 AM
:pint: :pint: :pint: :pint:

Hey man.......how many of these do I need to drink to get a buzz?


:pint: :pint:


;-) whoops that did it.

marypopinz
12-12-2004, 02:39 PM
Thanx for the giggle and, as always... thanx for the tr :-D uth.

Mary XXX

BvL
12-14-2004, 07:40 PM
nohope187 wrote:
Um... lets see, the basic thought process behind every new ager is sex, drugs, and rock and roll man! Heavy on the drugs though. :-P

Yes but that’s just what the general public are supposed to believe. But I can tell you I have seen something entirely different going on. It's true what you mention for a few hangers on but the serious occultist new agers are altogether another kettle of fish. It has probably taken me about 4 years of living in a new age kind of area to establish what is not so well advertised.

I thought initially in a similar way to yourself and turned up to a few parties and so on but I soon found things to be most odd and at times very very strange. Let me explain, about 4 years ago I end up at this party full of these sorts of drop outs and I spoke to one woman dressed in all the new age hippy type of cloths and she tells me her former job was working in the British Foreign Office. Now I don't know how much you are aware of what it is all about but it is one of the most powerful institutions in the world. It decides foreign policy relating to the British extended 'commonwealth' and employs top public school people from the highest echelons of British aristocracy. So I'm talking to someone who used to work there amongst a load of hippy dropouts. That seriously did not figure in my head.

Moving on I found other quirks with these people and the one thing they were more against than anything was believe it or not smoking tobacco. Smoking marijuana straight out of a pipe was fine and didn’t raise an eyebrow but 'evil' tobacco was banned. The organisers would literally go ballistic if people smoked anywhere indoors. Another big no no is meat and everyone is at least vegetarians but a lot are strictly vegan. If you check the medical literature you will find such diets are lacking in essential nutrients and as a consequence most have multiple health problems linked to deficiencies in certain vitamins and minerals.

Now they also do long camps lasting about 3 weeks or more where they practice a lot of occult stuff and you will notice that these have strict anti drugs and alcohol policies with most of them. The more seriously occult it is the stricter they are on this. So you can see what’s going on, they cause people to suffer nutritional deficiencies which I believe also has effects on their psychological state and I know for a fact a vegetarian diet does this. In addition there is another trend in raw food, which again is very orientated to dietary control. Then we have to ask why certain drugs and especially nicotine are strictly banned and I believe it is because they interrupt the mind control that they undergo. Furthermore the self inflicted ill health increases the number of people who need to be 'heeled' and this 'heeling' is just another opportunity to further control them, make them dependent, get them further into the occult and so on.

So this New Age is very sophisticated in the way it is run but made to look like a bunch of clueless dropouts who are against the system, little do they know that they are the system, the new system!

nohope187
12-14-2004, 08:31 PM
True dat, Bvl. Just like the lower levels of freemasons and rosicrucians do'nt know what the hell is goin' on with their upper levels. That's the way the pyramid of devil enlightenment works.

freeman
12-14-2004, 08:34 PM
Very interesting.
No conventional substance abuse, but far worse psychological and spiritual abuse.

Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very Elect.

DarkChilde3D
01-04-2005, 10:24 PM
My wife read some of this website, I figured it would be easier than explaining to her all of the shit going on. She said this of the NWO

Would you like to know the truth of it all . . . the more I look at it, this world we live in, the more I WANT to see the so-called world end. It would be just like re-installing windows into the computer. Maybe there should be no more resistance to this, let them do what they want, and let them kill themselves off even faster . . .

to this I said . . .

NOT A CHANCE! FUCK 'EM!

I've ALWAYS gone the side of the underdog in every fight I've been in during highschool . . . Hell, I joined the football team just to I could beat jocks into the ground.

The time has come . . .

The gauntlet has been thrown, and the challenge must be met. Let holy fire cleanse purge the devil from our earth . . . Let blood flow and bone crack . . . still, it gives me pause . . . however, sometimes we must be cruel in order to be kind. So, let us go out and defeat our enemy, and let NO ONE stand in our way.

madkhao
01-05-2005, 11:16 AM
In a way I agree with your wife.
This world is sh't.

But who was it that said the only thing we can do is wake more people up. Give them a fighting chance.

Way back when this site was interesting and fun.

That is our only purpose here on this site. It's so easy to forget.

Wake people up. Make them realize their is a bigger evil at work here.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I'm going back into time and I'm going to bring back the original posts that actually served a purpose here on this site. I'm inviting the CC veterans to help me.

Draken
01-22-2005, 01:50 PM
I never LEFT the basics, man! :-x

As far as I'm concerned I keep posting stuff I find essential, answer post I think should be answered and engage in discussions I think I have something vital to contribute to.

That's ALL I DO.

Concerning this New Age bollocks, I agree with BvL: certainly the NWO wants to misuse, abuse and distort Old Age Divine knowledge, as in Hindu, Buddhist, Egyptian etc. and mix it into a lovely diluted, thin mush. So far, they've done everything in their power to subvert and destroy these Old Traditions.

These weak minded, young, manipulated neo-hippies neither have a clue about the Quran, Bible, Vedanta, The Tibetan Book of the Dead etc. They take everything they're given by their cult leaders at face value. But you CAN'T trust ANYONE in these circles and yet there is so much Knowledge to be gleaned from these Ancient sources.
It's been said more than once on this forum:
We can't throw out the baby with the bath water!

Like I said to Max on another thread, one HAS to do it on ones' own.

There is an astronomical difference between the New Age form of fake spirituality and the True Spirituality according to Tradition that's ALWAYS been readily available to the ones who REALLY seek the Truth.

I warmly recommend the following websites for this purpose: http://www.seriousseekers.com/ http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/ http://www.worldwisdom.com/Public/index.asp

These sites are as far away from New Age as you can possibly get, yet if you find any of the authors at these sites at all in your PC bookstore I wouldn't be surprised if they were sorted under "New Age" - DO NOT BE FOOLED!

I invite you all to the Share The Knowledge forum and the INTEGRAL TRADITION thread, where I've posted an introduction to Sophia Perennis! I've decided to post a few teasers with things said at these "Traditionalist" about the New Age bluff religion.

Minuteman
01-23-2005, 06:35 PM
Excellent. New age sewage. Ya, in order to have a world government you need a world religion. And if that doesn't work we will have confused everybody so much with false information just like the tower of Babel.

nohope187
01-23-2005, 06:45 PM
Actually, the confusion was set to remedy the building of the tower as they all were speaking the same language. So, having one religion that everyone adheres to by force of govt. is the common langauge. :-x :-? :pint: :-o 8-) :hammer:

crowneagle
01-23-2005, 11:34 PM
That's a very good posting, Draken, and the sites are also good. As you had said, we should not leave the basics. There's plenty of truth and real wisdom in all the religious faiths....Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity, Taoism etc. But many ignorant people have distorted the real thing and repackaged it under the umbrella of "new age". Sometimes even real knowledge based on truth gets misclassified as "new age". And then this "new age" also seems to include dangerous occult practices.

The Bhagavad Gita classifies all forms of worship into 3 categories: Sattvic, Rajasic and Tamasic. The thumb rule is to follow Sattvic worship, and as long as a person does so, they will be safe and derive long-lasting good results. Rajasic worship can bring about a lot of grief in the end even though the initial results can be very gratifying. Tamasic worship is the worst form of worship and causes untold ruin for both the self and others.

All these spiritist occult practices designed to bring about the New World Order smell like Tamasic worship to me. It's most advisable to completely keep away from it. It may even look very appealing from outside but it's guaranteed that the results will NOT last long. Hence, the NWO will also NOT last long. The NWO leaders that cause untold misery to the people will have to eventually go through very severe retribution.

But it is still our duty to fight evil and only then the world will be saved.

eddie
01-24-2005, 03:38 AM
sablefish.can you give us the link about the us constitution. :-)