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Ozziecynic
01-27-2005, 06:05 AM
:-? I wanted to know why so many of you on this site think Freemasonry is a subversive ideological movement as well as a creed!
In Australia Freemasons are not fabians communists or revolutionarys or any of these terms many of you like to label them as and never have been.
In Australia for example one would have a high professional standing for example to be doctor or lawyer or even Police officer before they would even be invited to join!.
Futhermore Australia had the British version of the craft that being the York rite masonry.According to what i have been reading recently about freemasonry in Australia.This rite was always conservative even from its beginings in England 1717. It was also very pro Monarchy and conservative rather than pro Republican or revolutionary.
As for Freemasonry being revolutionary apprently that is only the modus opprendi of Grand Orient Masonry of which Australia has never had any such rite.
Although i understand the U.S has had lodges since the the War of Independence.
This could help to explain why so many of Nth americans here think it is a subversive organisation for socialism while most Austrlians simply see it as a harmless old fashioned conservative civic organisation with strange rituals.
However Freemasonry is generally viewed by most Australians as not sinister period.
Indeed their is hardly a town or city in Australia that doesnt have a typical usually 1920s vintage Masonic lodge close to its Mainstreet.Our War Memorials for those that served and died WW1 were also designed and built by Masons that is why they generally in the shape of obelisks. Your Global feedback on this would be apprecited.
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marypopinz
01-27-2005, 10:09 AM
I'll agree to disagree, with you Ozzie, on this one.

Ozziecynic
01-28-2005, 03:53 AM
:-o Nice off the cuff remark mary!.Disagree Mary and what are your reasons for disagreement!

Have you ever been downunder! What do you know about the History of Freemasonry in Australia or Australian History in general for that matter!.

I have just been reading book on the subject as it relates to Australian history it is called the "Secret Empire of the Union jack" freemasonry 1890 - 1950 in Australia.
It also tells me how the Freemasons were very much involved in secret militias in the interwar years to combat communism and the Trade Unions generally.
One these groups was quite notorious over here it was called the New Guard under the name of wwi veteran called Eric campbell. It was one these that cut the ribbon on the sydney harbour bridge in 1932 to upstage the NSW preimer a Jack Lang ALP Irish catholic.(a big deal in anglo australia back then.The CEC over here has also revealed that many masons were working hand in glove with the New Guard in the 1930s.

So before you start blurting rubbish mary get your facts straight or atleast attempt to know what you are talking about!. :-o

marypopinz
01-28-2005, 06:50 AM
Are you always so spiteful?

Ozziecynic
01-28-2005, 07:11 AM
:-) Ofcause not! But atleast give me the time of day with out silly remarks!. :-)

marypopinz
01-28-2005, 07:27 AM
I completely disagree with the secret satanic global society of satan's minions called Freemasonry.

Some know, some don't. Clear enough?

Ozziecynic
01-29-2005, 08:53 PM
:roll: So are any of you going to bother responding to the important issue of this thread or is it too much of challenge to your perceived notion of one big socialist plot for everything.
You might like to check out some of your own shadowy history in regards to interwar militias. The U.S had them also very similar to Australias and no doubt also aided and abetted by Freemasonry as was the kkk.

http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/11g.htm

http://www.spiritone.com/~gdy52150/noon.html
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billiard
01-31-2005, 07:49 AM
ozzie

i agree with you on this one ... the york segment,of which my dad was a member, of the masonic lodge appears to be a different animal altogether than the scottish rite,as a couple members tried to point out and were shouted down and driven away . the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.

madkhao
01-31-2005, 12:56 PM
billiard wrote:
ozzie

i agree with you on this one ... the york segment,of which my dad was a member, of the masonic lodge appears to be a different animal altogether than the scottish rite,as a couple members tried to point out and were shouted down and driven away . the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.

no disrespect billiard but maybe because your dad was a member, that might bias your opinion a bit. I hate to think that my 'most wise' parents are blind enough not to see that their church is going new age but they are. Please don't hold back on any of your thoughts concerning religion.

Ozziecynic
02-01-2005, 06:09 AM
:-? Billard:
the impact and significance of freemasonry in NWO discussion is greatly exaggerated. also,i would point out, the relevance of religion is downplayed in a similar manner,while we read posts about space aliens in underground bases . some of the more important issues are being left unexplored,while the ridiculous is discussed in detail.
Actually i dont believe the threat of Freemasonary is overrated at all.
My point is that Freemasonry as we in the cec like to is term it is a, synarchy movement.
A synarchy movement does have objective goals in its creed. However ideologically these goals can be any shade of the ideological spectrum they do not have to be soley one political position.

In Australia,s case and many other anglo commonwealth countries the history of Freemasonry was definately conservative or vearing to the right wing as I have been reading it was not all left wing in Australias case. As i said I have been reading they helped to organise Militias in defense of the mainly Agricultural Anglo Establishment in Australia during the 1920s and 30s at that time our ruling middle and upper classes were Protestant and Anglo and the working classes here traditionally Irish and catholic.
As many of you should know catholics were never originally welcome in freemasonry.

However that does not mean I dismiss the nefarious threat of freemasonry, not in the slightest i realise how evil it is in consensus with most posters here!. :-?

billiard
02-01-2005, 10:18 AM
my mistake ozzie-i thought we had actually agreed on something.

truebeliever
02-06-2005, 08:42 AM
Australian and U.K Freemasonary are very similar.

They weild great power only because many members are in powerful positions.

In short...the FM have always been.

Populated by males who revel in the rational and believe the peasants must be kept under control.

True fascists really, or Fuedalists, or whatever you want to call a bunch of powerful people who want to stay powerful.

They are true Corporatists.

Whatever they are I believe I can sum it up very siuccinctly.

If it meets in secrecy it is'nt doing good for the community.

Whether it's secret political party room meetings or secret corporate board meetings they all lump into the same bag to me.

They are evil in the true sense of the word as they are anti community and interested ONLY in self interest.

Does any more need to be said?

They are what they are...and whats more...
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http://www.herkimertelegram.com/articles/2005/01/27/news/news02.txt

Masons bring child ID program to Fisher School
By JOE PARMON-Telegram Staff Writer

MOHAWK - The Herkimer Masonic Lodge is helping students at Fisher Elementary School take steps to provide for their safety should they ever turn up missing or lost.

The lodge on Monday began a three-day Child Identification Program at the school, seeking to reach all students in prekindergarten through third grade. With their parents' permission, each student is being fingerprinted in one of the classrooms, while students are also being videotaped in order to provide a record of their appearance, height, the sound of their voice, and mannerisms. Carol Longwell, a teacher at Fisher, is helping out with the project by interviewing the students for the videotaping sessions.


The video equipment and tapes are being supplied free of charge by the Grand Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons of the State of New York, which started the program.

The effort at Fisher continued on Wednesday with first and third graders taking part and will wrap up on Friday with prek students.

Students from a Herkimer BOCES criminal justice class are helping to take the fingerprints, which are pressed onto a Child Personal Information and Fingerprint Kit that the kids take home with them, along with the videotape and information on child safety and what to do if your child is missing.

The fingerprints and videotape would prove extremely helpful for law enforcement officers in the safe recovery of a lost or missing child, said Herkimer Masonic Lodge Master John Longwell.

"For heaven's sake we don't want anything to happen to these children, but if it does, parents will have all the information right there that they can give to police," said Longwell. "It's fantastic to be doing this."

Longwell said the lodge hopes to bring the program into other area schools in the future.

More than 20,000 children participate in the Child ID Program annually. This Masonic community service project has been recognized by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children as the most comprehensive child identification service currently available.
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This shows the Masons have a great sense of humour.

Best all.

this
02-15-2005, 03:36 PM
OzzieCynic wrote: "This could help to explain why so many of Nth americans here think it is a subversive organisation for socialism while most Austrlians simply see it as a harmless old fashioned conservative civic organisation with strange rituals."


I think your quote of most Australians view is the same in North America by the way. It's all about control though anyway, right? I think it was Draken who said that Masons built all the buildings in North America. Well, if they didn't, who okayed the building loans, granted permits, were the construction inspectors, architects... the 'conservative' men of high standing you mentioned earlier.