View Full Version : IMPORTANT NEWS...Jupiter mark is actually an INDENTATION that is GROWING!

08-05-2009, 11:39 PM
Look at the following images! This Jupiter mark IS NOT A CLOUD, IT'S a HUGE GASH that is GROWING! Do you realize what this means?

Spaceweather.com Time Machine (http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?view=1&day=02&month=08&year=2009)

"3D DEBRIS ON JUPITER: A dark cloud of debris from the July 19th impact on Jupiter continues to be visible through backyard telescopes. Now, for the first time, you can see it in 3D. Cross your eyes and behold:
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/02aug09/Wah1_strip.jpg (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/02aug09/Wah1.jpg?PHPSESSID=uibr9eeb4f40vhrn3r2ju0o401&PHPSESSID=rujct767en24ktu2f7f4dt1j13)
Click to view a larger version (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/02aug09/Wah1.jpg?PHPSESSID=uibr9eeb4f40vhrn3r2ju0o401&PHPSESSID=rujct767en24ktu2f7f4dt1j13)
Astrophotographer "Wah!" made the stereo pair using an 8-inch telescope in Hong Kong. He took two pictures of Jupiter four minutes apart, allowing the planet's rotation to provide the necessary right- and left-eye views. If you have trouble seeing the 3D effect, try staring at this larger version (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/02aug09/Wah1.jpg?PHPSESSID=uibr9eeb4f40vhrn3r2ju0o401&PHPSESSID=rujct767en24ktu2f7f4dt1j13).
In 3D, the impact mark seems to be a hole in the clouds. "

Jupiter (http://jupiter.cstoneind.com/)

ALPO Japan Jupiter Section (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/Latest/Jupiter.htm)


08-05-2009, 11:46 PM
“Wesley’s Jupiter Mark” of July 19, 2009 (WJM-09), the Case for an Unnatural Event J.C. Goliathan – 7/28/09

On July 19, 2009, just as Anthony Wesley, an amateur Australian astronomer, was about to quit for the night, he spotted an unusual mark on Jupiter coming around the limb. He imaged the mark several times and then contacted colleagues to help. Over the next several days (and ongoing as the article is being written), the mark darkened and expanded to quadruple its size without breaking up except for taking on a bi-nodal “eight” shape. Most news agencies and NASA quickly concluded that the mark was from a comet or asteroid. This paper will propose an alternate view.

A. At some point in the past, possibly as far back as July 16, 1994, and evidenced for December 7, 1995, and September 21, 2003, NASA has inserted various sizes of Pu-238/239 Oxide pellets into Jupiter using assorted means.

The following are NASA-admitted instances of this:

December 7, 1995 - Jupiter Atmospheric Entry Probe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Galileo_Probe_diagram.jpeg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Galileo_Probe_diagram.jpeg)
which earlier launched from Galileo and impacted Jupiter, contained (15) LWRHU’s (Lightweight Radioisotope Heater Units) shielded behind the main probe heat shield and also massively shielded each separately in the manner shown in Diagram A http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/feis1995/ei995221.gif (http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/feis1995/ei995221.gif) . Each LWRHU contained .006 pounds of Pu-238 Oxide (criticality factor of approximately 5.5 pounds at normal earth pressure
http://sti.srs.gov/fulltext/ms9900313/ms9900313.html (http://sti.srs.gov/fulltext/ms9900313/ms9900313.html) ) within the volume of a standard pencil eraser head. This probe entered Jupiter several degrees north of the equator. http://www.seds.org/hst/JupGalPr.html (http://www.seds.org/hst/JupGalPr.html)

September 21, 2003 Galileo craft plunges into Jupiter containing (144) RHU’s (Radioisotope Heater Units) which each contained .333 pounds of Pu-238 Oxide within the volume of a standard golf ball formed to a tight cylinder. In addition Galileo also contained (120) LWRHU’s. The craft entered Jupiter at the equator.

The following instance is only a speculation based on similarity of Jupiter latitude with two coinciding events (SL-9 and WJM-9), extremely unusual events such as the rarity of a comet collision with a planet, and the extraordinary convenience of having an imaging satellite (Galileo) in great position to take snapshots of SL-9, among other suspicions (See conclusion and “Note 1” for more information):

At least 16 months before July 16-22, 1994 (SL-9 event), NASA planted, by some means, between one to many LWRHU(s) and/or RHU(s) into various parts of SL-9 (Shoemaker-Levy-9 comet), and nudged the comet from a Sun orbit to a Jupiter collision orbit. Twenty-one chunks of SL-9 entered Jupiter’s southern hemisphere around 40 to 50 degrees south latitude over seven days time. This is roughly the same latitude as the WJM-9 event.
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/gal_p44542.html (http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/object_page/gal_p44542.html)

B. At least one of these LWRHU’s or RHU’s listed in instances of “A”, survived Jupiter atmospheric entry and followed a very slow circling path into the depths of Jupiter to the point of 25,000+/- mi. depth relatively intact for the purposes of “Part C” to follow. For this paper, we are referring to the LWRHU’s for the most part.

C. At least one of the LWRHU’s referred to in “B” managed to reach supercritical stage for the purpose of a fission reaction at a depth of 25,000 mi. In other words, nearly all of the plutonium in the .006 pounds of Pu-238 Oxide in at least one LWRHU fissioned around mid-July of 2009 inside Jupiter, a wait of somewhere between just under six years to fifteen years for this small amount to reach supercritical based on the assumptions herein.

D. The fission reaction described in “C” erupting at the depth of 25,000 mi where Jupiter’s internal pressure is many hundreds of thousands of bars released an intensely hot gas bubble of relatively lower pressure into this extremely high pressure zone. The kiloton release was also much higher than normal despite the small amount of plutonium. This is because the “nuclear containment factor” under this kind of pressure allowed maximum fissioning efficiency and maximum heat. This heat surpassed the Deuterium-fusion threshold and began a secondary reaction by fusing nearby hydrogen and helium elements.

E. A small, likely temporary, fusion reaction began inside Jupiter sometime in mid-July, 2009 prior to the anomalies spotted there. The initial heat bubble and subsequent material from an ongoing reaction raced to the top of Jupiter’s clouds over the next few days with incredible speed, possibly averaging 3000 mph at first and slowing to 150 mph at the cloud tops, creating a black, extremely carbonized exit wound at 57 degrees south latitude on Jupiter. This was the first clear indication of something unusual happening on Jupiter and was the cause of Anthony Wesley’s bulletin on July 19, 2009 regarding the “Impact Mark on Jupiter”. Small elements of this explosion likely traveled faster, or more than one explosion occurred, and caused the “pre-storms” that Claudio Martinez and Brett Hughes spotted and Anthony Wesley confirmed as being present days before the main event. (See “Note 2”)

The latitude marking coupled with “path of least resistance” logic would suggest that the fission reaction also originated fairly close to 57 degrees south latitude deep inside Jupiter, but this is not necessarily perfectly true since Jovian winds (higher and lower) likely altered the gas bubble path as in got nearer to the cloud tops.

F. A high temperature, high pressure column of fire and primitive elements turned to carbon elements was created and grew in size for a time based on the following logic:

1) Different parts of the “surface” of Jupiter continued to be exposed to the “hot column” referred to in “E”, causing the “black mark” to appear to expand in size without dissipating for over a week. This was due to the high speed surface winds moving new clouds over the hot column.

2) Also, more ofJupiter’s inside material from the depths joined this column inthe same way that magma under an earthly caldera volcano seeks to relieve itself at the first possible opening in the crust of the earth. This latter possibility is very important since this kind of effect could continue on for months theoretically.

G. If the “depressurization of Jupiter” does not end and the “escape shaft” stays open as described in “F”, a large volume of the “innards” of Jupiter might be expelled to the surface and could continue and be ongoing.

H. There are two effects of “G”:

1) A void is created where mass is being expelled to the top. That void will be filled in by surrounding material, and that material in turn will get sucked out of the void causing a continuous cycle of filling and voiding until the point that equilibrium is once again established at the point of first disruption.

2) The material expelled to the top of Jupiter will fall back down on Jupiter causing an overabundance of mass focused on a relatively small part of Jupiter’s surface. This will cause Jupiter to “indent” inwards at that spot. This will lead to a greater density also which in turn will create heat and turbulence, and possibly lead to cratering at the “dark spot”.

J. If the above items are valid, Jupiter could be made very unstable and could ultimately partially collapse in on itself if multiple above occasions are managed. If this occurs, what can result is what has been referred to as an “artificially densified gas giant turned into a small star”. In essence the collapse mechanism envisioned could lead to a situation where matter falling into Jupiter can succeed in providing the “mass equivalent” required to start a new semi-permanent fusion process inside Jupiter that could be ongoing for an undetermined amount of time.

In addition to this, just the fact that fusion has been made viable in the depths of Jupiter should be cause for alarm. If an ongoing fusion reaction can be sustained at this depth, it can spread to adjacent regions fairly quickly causing a chain reaction engulfing the entire planet.

There is evidence of a similar fission-only event occurring on a smaller time scale and with comparatively much weaker effect when NASA plunged the Galileo craft into Jupiter on Sept. 21, 2003. The incident is documented at
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/jupiter_dark_spot_031023.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/jupiter_dark_spot_031023.html) and
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_luciferproject09.htm (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_luciferproject09.htm)
This particular September/October incident was said to be caused by the larger pellets, the RHU’s which would logically reach critical mass at an earlier depth than the smaller pellets.

Some of the possibilities presented herein were initially proposed by this author in a different form on December 11, 2007 at
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message473889/pg1 (http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message473889/pg1) , where the composition of a typical LWRHU is described:

“There are 6 layers of protection tightly surrounding one of these pellets, ” aero-heat shield, 7/16” total of graphite-carbon insulators (4 insulators = 7/16” total), and .04” thick Rhodium-Platinum alloy. Inside sits the Pu-Oxide (Pu-238/239 plus a small amount of Oxygen) of .006 pounds.” (See Diagram A)

If the claims of this paper are valid it is likely we will see other “marks” begin to show up in the coming months resulting from the same fission effect described herein. They are already describing WJM-09 as “double-noded” since there seems to be two distinct areas of concentration that have not broken up as of late 07/28/09.

The crucial element of this potential NASA plan working is the depth at which .006 pounds of plutonium-238 oxide will go supercritical. If the amount is too large, like .333 pounds in the RHU, supercritical is reached too early and the all important depth-effect is not managed. If the pellet is too small it may never reach critical at all.

Any pellet must go supercritical at a sufficient depth to cause a major equilibrium imbalance, a pressure gradient system that forces the insides of Jupiter out through the gap at the top. For Pu-238 Oxide, using density factors alone, critical mass is reached when the volume is compressed to around 1/75th of original.

This insertion method could be likened to a Trojan horse strategy; the pellet by nature of its ever-increasing and high relative density continues to float down innocently, very slowly as the pressures of Jupiter’s hydrogen, although high, do not have enough elemental density to stop the ever-falling and highly concentrated plutonium. Jove, unaware of the danger, does not reject this foreign gift that looks perfectly safe and harmless, but packs such a massive and incredible one-two punch with its plutonium. Also note that if NASA used “special plutonium pellets” at unknown and unannounced insertion times, we could be seeing the very first LWRHU blow with WJM-09, but it may be for the purpose of a “planned warning event”. In other words, NASA may have intentionally inserted a special pellet of slightly higher mass, say .0062 pounds, as a warning to signal that .006 mass pellets are ready to blow shortly in rapid succession.

Even NASA should officially have their doubts about WJM-9 actually being an asteroid or comet strike. In their own words:

“The disruption of a comet into multiple fragments is an unusual event, the capture of a comet into an orbit about Jupiter is even more unusual, and the collision of a large comet with a planet is an extraordinary, millennial event.”
http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/comet_shoemaker_levy_9.html (http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/glossary/comet_shoemaker_levy_9.html)

The discoverer of this latest Jupiter mark, Anthony Wesley, remarked to himself during the unfolding of the event:

“...the odds on that happening were so small as to be laughable...”http://jupiter.samba.org/ (http://jupiter.samba.org/)

Diagram A http://www.animatedsoftware.com/cassini/feis1995/ei995221.gif

Note 1 - Pre-history of SL-9 only goes back to March 15, 1993, Eugene Shoemaker who was very interested in researching the pre-history of SL-9, was killed in a remote area of Australia in 1997. Jupiter comet orbits were unheard of before SL-9. Galileo was conveniently in place to image the first significant celestial body collision live.

Note 2 – Anthony Wesley’s site includes an update added a couple days after the main event admitting the fact that “pre-existing storms” were likely present at the supposed impact site, before the impact day. “Update: Two of these three small spots may be pre-existing small storms. Thanks to a blink comparison by Brett Hughes.” http://jupiter.samba.org/ (http://jupiter.samba.org/) So it’s possible that there were multiple explosions as much as days apart, the first ones being not as intense. In addition to this Claudio Martinez also noted the spot existing previous to July 19 on “Sky and Telescope’s” online site: Posted by Claudio Martinez July 22, 2009 At 12:22 AM PDT, “Sorry but my English is not good. I was looking at Christopher Go’s photos, and I believe that the collision appears in their photos from the June 27, 2009. Their site is: http://jupiter.cstoneind.com/ (http://jupiter.cstoneind.com/) Regards from Argentina” http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/51237952.html (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/51237952.html)

Additional links: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/51237952.html (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/51237952.html) Hubble image of WJM-9

08-05-2009, 11:57 PM
All three of the following astronomers agree that there were "at least two small black storms" at the location of the later Wesley Mark prior to "impact date".

Anthony Wesley
Brett Hughes
Claudio Martinez

Sky and Telescope:
Posted by Claudio Martinez July 22, 2009 At 12:22 AM PDT
Sorry but my English is not good. I was looking at Christopher Go's photos, and I believe that the collision appears in their photos from the June 27, 2009. Their site is: Jupiter (http://jupiter.cstoneind.com/) Regards from Argentina

Anthony Wesley's site includes an update added a couple days after the main event admitting the fact that "pre-existing storms" were likely present at the supposed impact site, before the impact day. "Update: Two of these three small spots may be pre-existing small storms. Thanks to a blink comparison by Brett Hughes." Impact mark on Jupiter, 19th July 2009 (http://jupiter.samba.org/)

08-08-2009, 07:44 PM
Fairly good shot by Hideo Einaga from 8/7:

08-09-2009, 04:23 PM

Look at the above animation. If I am interpreting it correctly, it seems that the core of the "mark" has maintained its longitudinal position (around 210 degrees)! This would be consistent with my theory that this is originating from an INTERNAL source deep inside Jupiter.

The "debris streak" is simply a result of upper clouds passing above this "hot spot".

08-15-2009, 11:32 AM
It's been difficult to obtain a HIGH RESOLUTION and GOOD SEEING pic in the last few days. The one below is not too bad though and illustrates the 3d qualities of the mark as well as a possible "spreading" of the cavity activity to the east (left) of the obvious core. D. Parker is the astronomer.


08-16-2009, 08:20 AM
Hideo Einaga may have given us a subtle hint in his latest images.

The resolution is very poor on this batch and the darkness of the spot is hard to see, but more concerning at this point may be the deformation that is going on in this part of Jupiter.

Note the subtle RED CURVED LINES that Hideo has inserted in these images when you see the mark on the LIMB of Jupiter....

Is this cause for alarm that Jupiter seems to be "deformed" near the mark area? I don't know. Look especially at 15:15:34....


08-17-2009, 05:56 AM
Finally, a decent set of pics from Tomio Akutsu.....still there loud and clear! 8/14 series.


08-18-2009, 06:15 AM
Hi Blue Angel,

I posted an Alternate Theory to indicate what I thought the gash implied and what the possible outcome might be. It's the second or third post.

At any rate, a 3d gash or cavity implies that this event is originating from within and has tremendous strength to not be blown away by passing mighty winds, so it's FEEDING from deep below. This means a major "venting" is occurring from inside Jupiter, a depressurization that might continue to a strange end that affects earth if Jupiter changes drastically.

My alternate theory poses that this gash may be manmade resulting from LWRHU's that were sent in by NASA.

Here is a diagram of what went in HIGHLY PROTECTED in 1995:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Galileo_Probe_diagram.jpeg/608px-Galileo_Probe_diagram.jpeg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Galileo_Probe_diagram.jpeg)

Note the Radioisotope Heaters (15). They survived entry because they were behind the heat shield and are themselves highly protected. Inside they hold Plutonium 238, which is fissile, or capable of a sustained fission reaction. Any such reaction accomplished deep inside Jupiter is very hot and efficient because of nuclear containment. All that is required is one to go supercritical and you get a large ball of gas that races to the surface. Behind this ball follows the highly pressurized contents of Jupiter inside. It's like letting the genie out of the bottle, or popping a strange balloon; the process continues ongoing because the pressures below have been looking for a way out, and this new escape shaft provides that way.

Here is the highly protected Radioisotope unit (RHU):

08-18-2009, 02:57 PM
T. Akutsu 8-17 ...good pics....


08-19-2009, 11:01 AM
Ando gets some fair pics....


08-22-2009, 01:00 PM
From spaceweather.com

JUPITER UPDATE: A little more than a month after a mystery-object (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/03aug_whathitjupiter.htm) crashed into Jupiter, the debris cloud is still visible in backyard telescopes. Amateur astronomer Brian Combs of Buena Vista, Georgia, took this picture on August 19th:
http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/22aug09/Brian-Combs1_strip.jpg (http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/22aug09/Brian-Combs1.jpg?PHPSESSID=fd680c201hn91ebbqa7q7533d1)

08-23-2009, 08:38 PM
This troubling image is a mirror image by Maximo Suarez for 8/22....it shows the mark once again intensifying...!

ViewList (http://www.pvol.ehu.es/iopw.jsp?action=multiple&Planet=jupiter&Apparition=last)


08-26-2009, 08:23 AM
Ghomiza's image 8-25:


08-26-2009, 03:32 PM
Note the indent of Jupiter on Figure 1 of Ando's images. Unless this is an image artifact, this seems like it should be significant....?


08-27-2009, 01:12 PM
This is from my report posted on page 1:

H. There are two effects of “G”:

1) A void is created where mass is being expelled to the top. That void will be filled in by surrounding material, and that material in turn will get sucked out of the void causing a continuous cycle of filling and voiding until the point that equilibrium is once again established at the point of first disruption.

2) The material expelled to the top of Jupiter will fall back down on Jupiter causing an overabundance of mass focused on a relatively small part of Jupiter’s surface. This will cause Jupiter to “indent” inwards at that spot. This will lead to a greater density also which in turn will create heat and turbulence, and possibly lead to cratering at the “dark spot”.

08-28-2009, 03:07 PM
Here is the indentation shown from the other side by Teruaki Kumamori:

Jupiter Image 2009/08/27(UT) (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/j090827z.htm)


08-28-2009, 09:59 PM
SkyandTelescope.com - News from Sky & Telescope - Jupiter's Impact: Gone*in*30*Days (http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/53952917.html)

From Sky and Telescope:

"Watch the impact mark spread and grow over the course of four weeks! It's the dark mark near the pole at the 2 o'clock position. Theo Ramakers writes, "Here is an updated animation containing the images of a large number of dedicated Jupiter imagers, members of the ALPO Jupiter listserve. Hans Joerg Mettig from Jupos.com in Germany converted the submitted images to a polar projection, and I put them together in an animation."
Notice the rather that just spreading out, the original impact site seems to keep pouring out black stuff that then drifts away.

Theo Ramakers"

08-30-2009, 07:22 AM
Akitoshi Hatanaka proves the mark is still clear after 40 days....! See bottom left image....


09-03-2009, 10:09 AM

46th day.....

Oscar Perez Lopez 9/3/09, mark still obvious...

09-07-2009, 08:54 AM
Jupiter Image 2009/09/05(UT) (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/j090905z.htm)

New pics for 9/5....Ando gets the best ones...Mark is still obvious!

09-07-2009, 09:36 AM
If you check out Fig. 3, 4, and 5 of Ando's above, you can see the "sinkhole" effect again, especially for Fig. 4.

Fig. 6 he turns down the contrast and also the res. is a bit more faded, but you can see the "streak" is very long now, as long as the GRS.[/FONT][/COLOR]
Now, if we can get a definitive High Res closeup showing the "depth" effect still present in this area, astronomers will have to admit that this is a special event going on.

The duration now of this mark coupled with astronomy websites now suggesting the mark's source is 216 longitude (CM2), including "Sky and Telescope" Theo Ramaker's statement about the animation showing the spot SOURCING from there, and the fact the mark seems to be spreading out from this point, but not going away, indicates an DEEP INTERNAL EVENT is fueling and feeding this mark and that whatever is "burning" down there, or whatever mechanical device is producing this (such as the suggested depressurization theory), is ongoing.

The origin point of the event has to be deep enough to not be moved by atmospheric winds. Even the GRS moves slowly to the west over time.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR]

09-11-2009, 10:03 PM
Jupiter Image 2009/09/10(UT) (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/j090910z.htm)

Kumamrori pics show the mark is alive! See last two pics of his...

09-12-2009, 07:53 AM

09-15-2009, 12:38 PM
Jupiter Image 2009/09/10(UT) (http://alpo-j.asahikawa-med.ac.jp/kk09/j090910z.htm)

Ando gets a good one on the limb....9/10/09, and you can see that the "void" has deepened....!


09-19-2009, 08:48 PM
Enhanced image, Takimoto 9-17-09 from ALPO site.


09-19-2009, 08:51 PM
Akutsu - 9-17...