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55132
01-29-2005, 01:31 PM
It like the powers that be are getting worried about all the info comun out. This is there propaganda machine to disacredit the aware.


(SECAUCUS, NJ, January 28, 2005) The Protocols of Zion, an appraisal of contemporary anti-Semitism from veteran documentarian Marc Levin, made its international debut at 2005 Sundance Film Festival. The 90-minute documentary, which will screen at the Berlin Film Festival on February 13 and subsequently be broadcast on HBO, was shot by cinematographer

Noting an alarming upsurge of anti-Semitic sentiment in the U.S. and around the world after 9/11, director/producer Levin took to the streets to measure the temperature of what Elie Wiesel calls "the oldest collective bigotry in history." Throwing himself into the eye of an existential storm, Levin polls a panoply of people to explore the notion that Jews are out for world domination--a theory propagated by “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion," a century-old tract that, despite being discredited as a libelous forgery, is still widely available. Levin talks with street prophets claiming Jews are accountable for 9/11; with the mastermind behind an Aryan separatist website; with Christian evangelicals, Kabbalist rabbis, rallying Palestinian American kids, Holocaust deniers and survivors, and parading peaceniks. With a healthy skepticism, Levin listens open-mindedly to all points of view but isn't above plunging into raucous debate from his position as a secular humanist Jew.

Levin is a pioneer in the art of merging fiction and nonfiction filmmaking. From his dramatic features such as Slam, which won the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 1998 and the Camera d'Or at Cannes, to his episodic television projects such as Street Time, which was produced by Columbia/Tristar for Showtime, to his documentaries such as Godfathers and Sons, part of the highly-regarded Martin Scorsese PBS series on the blues, Levin seamlessly combines narrative and vérité techniques in a filmmaking style entirely his own.

rangergord
01-29-2005, 01:43 PM
Or maybe the fraud that is the protocols is being fanned to help kill any possible truce in Israel/Palestine?

That's where I'd have my money.

55132
01-29-2005, 02:15 PM
rangergord wrote:
Or maybe the fraud that is the protocols is being fanned to help kill any possible truce in Israel/Palestine?

That's where I'd have my money.


WHy do you call them fraud? Have you read them?

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Draken
01-29-2005, 02:19 PM
Don't bother, rangergord. It doesn't matter who wrote the Protocols. The fact is that everything in it has become reality.
I think you should answer 789's question about the French Revolution and the Secret Societies he asked you on another thread that you didn't answer...

I think we can all think for ourselves without you trying to direct our thoughts.

You've been had. :-x

nomad
01-29-2005, 05:14 PM
Draken wrote:
Don't bother, rangergord. It doesn't matter who wrote the Protocols. The fact is that everything in it has become reality.
I think you should answer 789's question about the French Revolution and the Secret Societies he asked you on another thread that you didn't answer...

I think we can all think for ourselves without you trying to direct our thoughts.

You've been had. :-x


The Protocols is a brilliant piece and whoever

wrote it was not only a prophet but knew EXACTLY

how the NWO works.

55132
01-29-2005, 05:40 PM
nomad wrote:

Draken wrote:
Don't bother, rangergord. It doesn't matter who wrote the Protocols. The fact is that everything in it has become reality.
I think you should answer 789's question about the French Revolution and the Secret Societies he asked you on another thread that you didn't answer...

I think we can all think for ourselves without you trying to direct our thoughts.

You've been had. :-x


The Protocols is a brilliant piece and whoever

wrote it was not only a prophet but knew EXACTLY

how the NWO works.


Yes I agree with you it is almost of non human authorship. This was written over 100 years.

john
01-29-2005, 05:47 PM
Personnally I have the same feeling than Henry Makow about the protocols: probably written by a Rothschild originally and re-written afterwards by the tsarist secret service in a more caricatural way in order to make clear even to the simple-minded that it was created by the "Jews". In fact, the Jews have nothing to do with the creation of the protocols, even if the "Elders of Zion" were/are Jews. Al Capone was Italian but we don`t say that the Italians are a gangster people isn`t it?

alumbrado
01-29-2005, 08:09 PM
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is actually based on an older work created by the Society of Jesus (aka the Jesuits) in the 17th century France, called:

"The Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine"

Read all about it: http://illuminati-news.com/black-pope2.htm

55132
01-29-2005, 09:24 PM
alumbrado wrote:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is actually based on an older work created by the Society of Jesus (aka the Jesuits) in the 17th century France, called:

"The Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine"

Read all about it: http://illuminati-news.com/black-pope2.htm



They are all part of the satanic plot the have been into devil worship since they came into existance.

Draken
01-30-2005, 03:30 AM
In the words of Ezra Pound (radio broadcast from Italy of April 20, 1943):

"If or when one mentions the Protocols alleged to be of the Elders of Zion, one is frequently met with the reply: Oh, but they are a forgery.

Certainly they are a forgery, and that is the one proof we have of their authenticity. The Jews have worked with forged documents for the past 24 hundred years, namely ever since they have had any documents whatsoever. And no one can qualify as a historian of this half century without having examined the Protocols."


Protocol No. 8, second [paragraph]:
"We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences form, etc. Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and the main thing, millionaires, because in substance everything will be settled by the question of figures."


"Who are the lunatics? Was there a deliberate plot? That is what should concern you. WAS there a pIot? How long had it been in existence? Does it continue, with its Lehmans, Morgenthaus, Baruchs? Proposals to send the darkies to Africa, to work for Judea, and the rest of it? And WILL you, after Japan is thru with you, take on Russia? In order to maintain the banking monopoly? With Mr. Wille Wiseman, late of the British secret service, ensconced in Kuhn, Loeb and Co., to direct you and rule you?"
http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/prot.html


No further questions, your honor.

rangergord
01-30-2005, 06:47 AM
"Don't bother, rangergord. It doesn't matter who wrote the Protocols."

Who wrote them and why is the issue.

"I think you should answer 789's question about the French Revolution and the Secret Societies he asked you on another thread that you didn't answer..."

No one is paying me to teach, find the truth on your own.

"I think we can all think for ourselves without you trying to direct our thoughts."

And I suppose your post (or Henry's misguided article) doesn't do what you accuse me of?

"You've been had. :-x"

Your lost and I that fact makes no difference to me.

Draken
01-30-2005, 08:13 AM
No, what's IN the Protocols is the issue, haven't you noticed?

O Teacher of Great Truths, I'm lost. :lol:
You're funny!!!

No one is paying me to teach, find the truth on your own.

So for YOU it's a financial matter, Truth?!?!
Very well...

nomad
01-30-2005, 02:24 PM
alumbrado wrote:
The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is actually based on an older work created by the Society of Jesus (aka the Jesuits) in the 17th century France, called:

"The Secrets of the Elders of Bourg-Fontaine"

Read all about it: http://illuminati-news.com/black-pope2.htm


If you really want to go to the original source

look no further than the "Old Testament".

The Hebrew superiority was foretold by the Big

guy himself.

rangergord
02-05-2005, 07:20 AM
Draken wrote:
No, what's IN the Protocols is the issue, haven't you noticed?

O Teacher of Great Truths, I'm lost. :lol:
You're funny!!!

No one is paying me to teach, find the truth on your own.

So for YOU it's a financial matter, Truth?!?!
Very well...

Most of what I find on the net is next to worthless.

I was attacted to Henry via Ether Zone; aberrant sexuality is an interest. When Henry writes about the subject he's the most acquainted with (feminism) he's usually very solid. When he steps out of his comfort zone he posts crap like expect a Nuke in Houston.

I know that things like Satanism, the Occult, Free Masonry, and Reptilian Alien Shape Shifters :rolleyes: does nothing to advance knowledge. Such claims, true or not ... the average person just tunes out.

The task then is to describe the monster without resorting to a crutch. As such, the Protocols is a non starter.

Also, it isn't the document many theorists suggest it is.

Better?

Draken
02-05-2005, 09:35 AM
Much!;-)

I think knowledge about the Occult, Freemasonry and Satanism is essential for the understanding of the NWO, since they base their control of humans on such things. I agree that it's not the ideal place to start if you want to make people start waking up.
Maybe the Protocols are similarly counter-productive but what's in it - the developments and scenarios it describes - are permeating our world as we speak. So to call it a fraud would be a little hasty, in my opinion.

nomad
02-05-2005, 11:06 AM
Draken wrote:
Much!;-)

I think knowledge about the Occult, Freemasonry and Satanism is essential for the understanding of the NWO, since they base their control of humans on such things. I agree that it's not the ideal place to start if you want to make people start waking up.
Maybe the Protocols are similarly counter-productive but what's in it - the developments and scenarios it describes - are permeating our world as we speak. So to call it a fraud would be a little hasty, in my opinion.


I agree Draken which is why "religion" has to be
discussed in trying to understand and defeat the NWO.

Draken
02-13-2005, 08:44 AM
That's right nomad!

Anyway, what is this fear towards "the occult" or "gnosticism"? Quite a few people on this forum seem to automatically "shut down" (it's called a "slide reaction") if they as much as catch a whiff of any of it; I don't get it.

Anything non-Christian or non-mainstream-Christian and they automatically brand it Satanist, as if all humankind before Christianity was in the claws of the Devil.

I had a discussion a long time ago with Ahmad about it and asked him if it was because of fear. I mean, do people reject anything "occult" or "gnostic" out of fear their brains or souls might become "polluted"? Or are they scared that they can't discern a good thing from a bad one and therefore discard the whole package to be safe?

If so, that would be a great mistake since my opinion is that the NWO Luciferians WANT us to discard anything that might lead us to the Truth.
So first they give the word "occult" or "gnostic" a negative sound to make people not dare even pick it up.
Then, if the first bluff didn't work, they sprinkle anything "occult" or "gnostic" with lies; contaminate it so that it's difficult to separate truth from lies. Dilute it with "New Age" rubbish.

But these tricks don't work with well-informed people with a firm, stable spiritual grounding in their conviction that God is on their side against Evil; people who use their Reason and Logic for the benefit of their Intellect and Soul; people who see with the "Eye of the Heart".
People like this are not afraid of the "occult" or the "gnostic" because their Divine Intuition is awakened and gains strength every second.

There is plenty of Sacred Divine Knowledge in ancient, mystic, esoteric writings both before and after the advent of Christianity. We need this Knowledge - including Christian knowledge - desperately in the fight and defence of our Souls against the onslaught of the Ego/Lucifer. Let's not let the Ego/Lucifer decieve us into throwing it away and forgetting it.

Let us fight a spiritual fight with Truth, Beauty, Love and win!

God Bless You

nomad
02-13-2005, 08:53 AM
Exactly my view Draken,

People automatically assume things like the

Kabballah are evil when in fact like any truth

it can be used for evil and good ... just like

fire.

Draken
02-13-2005, 09:01 AM
We all need to be people who see with "The Eye of The Heart".

We've let the Truth be usurped and used for Evil for too long. Let's take it back!

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 09:58 AM
Well, well, well, three holes in the ground.

"The Protocols Of Zion"...probable forgeries due to the Jews love of stiring the pot and the Russian Czar not liking competition.

But they are the best darn fucking forgeries i've ever read!

They are also the most accurate forgeries on what the Jewish faith is up too.

Whatever they are, they sure mapped out the last hundred years.

I'm trying hard to not lump all Jews in the same pot but I really cannot get over being called a Goyim.

Sorry, ya lost me their brutha Jew plus also slamming the door in my face when i was collecting for charity scarred me permenantly.

You have no sense of humour besides Seinfeld, Mel Brookes and Krusty the clown...and also Australias John Safron who makes up for the rest of you as he is the funniest human on the telly...Check out John Safrons music jamborie.

What was I waffling on about again?

If you doubt why someone would write down their plan, well ask Adolph. He wrote it down for us all.

When you're a power mad megolamaniac you tend to give LONG MONOLOUGES on how the rest of the world is weak and you are so strong and how you are going to take it over.

Please refer to "The Incredibles" for more info on this point.

Quite frankly Jew persons I've had enough of you. You are a bunch of whingers and the eternal victim. If the world turned around and gave you a big kiss you'd have to go off and find another bigot to hate you coz it just would'nt feel right.

If everything was going well you'd have to do something to bring it all down so you could whine on about it.

You are like the battered house wife who does'nt know how to live any other way.

27 million Russians died as did 6 million German. You lost maybe 1.5-2 million and most of those from starvation and typhus thanks to the Allied air attacks grinding things to a halt.

You do not have the market cornered on suffering and the empty kerosine tin rattles the loudest!

There. I got that off my chest. I'm not going to pretend i'm 'reasonable' on the subject anymore.

Get a life you arrogant bunch of bastards and join the rest of us Goyim or will it be ANOTHER two thousand years cursed?

Talk about stubborn and above all...outed from under the rock you've been hiding under!

THE LIGHT..."it burns, it burns agggghhhh".

You will never steal Christmas from us ya jealous misery guts.

Wait a minute....did I just give a long monolouge?

DarkChilde3D
02-13-2005, 11:10 AM
Damn! I'm not going NEAR this one. I'm having trouble dodging the shit flying out of the fan as it is.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 01:22 PM
Hey True, you did give a long monologue. :-P

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 07:41 PM
Wimps!

nohope187
02-13-2005, 07:47 PM
the best propaganda always carries a little bit of truth to propagate a bigger lie, No? :-P

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 08:00 PM
Yeh NH, true.

The Jews are open for all this because they refuse to pledge allegience to any country and sware they will only serve God.

I like this idea but this is where the 'internationalist' flavour of the conspiricy comes from.

There are many things that are good about the NWO program, we need to grow up, we need to be more internationalist but just who is controlling and steering the debate and where are they taking it?

At the moment the NWO program is utterly evil in it's designs.

It is being run by international finance out of London...plenty of Jews up to their necks in it and dare I say it...plenty of WASPS!

The whole thing stinks of the Elite no matter their race or religion.

The religion that is the most exclusive and racist is the Jewish faith.

Along came a carpenter with a big mouth and a big stick called the truth and the jews had their chance to steer in a new direction. Instead they nailed him to a cross. He forgave them in one of the most monumental moments of redemption in the history of the human race! Did they take up the offer? No, instead, they dug their stubborn little heels in, threw their dummy in the dirt and screamed why does every one keep picking on us!!!!!

You have to admire the Jews for their tenacity. Their 40 years in the wilderness is a lesson for us all in the refusal to submit to a tyrant. But it's time to cast off the big chip on the shoulder.

Relax, we want to help, stop calling me a Goyim!

I believe the Protocols are authentic just because they so accurately lay out the plan.

I am still open to debate on the matter as are all matters.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 08:05 PM
I didn't read much into this thread, I was mainly going off of the title. :-P

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 08:14 PM
Yes thats the way they do it.

It's a jungle out there.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 08:19 PM
I did notice an argument taking place, btw but I didn't know what was going on. So, I figure if I carefully place my 2 cents in there, people will mellow out. The dialectic in motion if you will. :-P