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revolution60
10-15-2009, 10:58 AM
So i had seen a few comments from another person about this event and whether or not there is something more behind the scenes we don't see with our normal eyes.

I was in second grade, and our whole school was outside on schoolgrounds watching the shuttle go up, then BOOM!

At first everyone seemed confused, then everyone slowly realized what happened, at first the teachers were trying to reassure us youngsters that everything was ok and that was suppose to happen, but it didnt take long for the news to hit.

so any comments?

EireEngineer
10-15-2009, 12:36 PM
So.....I am dieing to hear the who, why, and how of how else the shuttle would have blown up. Besides a leaky frozen gasket on the booster rocket, that is.:rolleyes:

revolution60
10-15-2009, 02:13 PM
So.....I am dieing to hear the who, why, and how of how else the shuttle would have blown up. Besides a leaky frozen gasket on the booster rocket, that is.:rolleyes:

why do you have to have a negative response, instead of just discussing it and the reasons why you believe it was just a plain accident with nothing more behind it?

you and Blue Angel seem to love being negative towards any relative discussions on many many threads here

in fact, it seems all u 2 really do, is insult the participants the entire time, and make the threads die

i am starting to see a pattern lol

EireEngineer
10-15-2009, 02:32 PM
why do you have to have a negative response, instead of just discussing it and the reasons why you believe it was just a plain accident with nothing more behind it?

you and Blue Angel seem to love being negative towards any relative discussions on many many threads here

in fact, it seems all u 2 really do, is insult the participants the entire time, and make the threads die

i am starting to see a pattern lol
Just curious. I truly have never heard of a conspiracy involving the Challenger, so I was wondering.
And, as for the reasons for it to just be an accident, the video evidence is compelling and the existing story is at least plausible.

revolution60
10-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Just curious. I truly have never heard of a conspiracy involving the Challenger, so I was wondering.
And, as for the reasons for it to just be an accident, the video evidence is compelling and the existing story is at least plausible.

i can agree definitely, it is all quite acceptable that is was in fact a genuine accident, i was just mainly wandering if anyone had any information on any of the astronauts or anything shady going on with nasa in that time period.

that's all, just honest inquiry

EireEngineer
10-15-2009, 03:37 PM
Like all bureocracies, I am sure there had to be something going on. I know there was some controversy as to how long the astronauts were alive after the initial explosion.

albie
10-16-2009, 04:03 AM
Revolution. Why not google it? Better than starting a thread. Google it. find a flimsy theory written by a geek with a mental problem, believe it wholeheartedly (because there's nothing else exciting going on in your life)and then try to make us believe it.

Then I can smash your theory and make you cry.

That's how it goes.:D

EireEngineer
10-16-2009, 12:24 PM
Revolution. Why not google it? Better than starting a thread. Google it. find a flimsy theory written by a geek with a mental problem, believe it wholeheartedly (because there's nothing else exciting going on in your life)and then try to make us believe it.

Then I can smash your theory and make you cry.

That's how it goes.:D

He was simply asking a legitimate question, no need to start the personal attacks for no reason.

albie
10-17-2009, 05:07 AM
The sincerest form of debunkery is to ask why conspiracy theorists believe everything that they read without checking it.

EireEngineer
10-17-2009, 08:05 AM
The sincerest form of debunkery is to ask why conspiracy theorists believe everything that they read without checking it.

At least I try to give them a substantive rebuttal, instead of a dismissive one liner.

albie
10-19-2009, 04:57 AM
I'll do both. It doesn't make a blind bit of difference which you do. It doesn't knock any sense into them. Any countering evidence you've supplied to a conspiracy is ignored by the recipiant. They just take their crackpot ideas elswhere and dribble them out again, IGNORING whatever you've taken the time to compile and post against those ideas. I've seen it. So don't imagine you are here to correct people. You are here to prove to YOURSELF that conspiracy theorists are deluded.

Fahrenheit 912
10-24-2009, 11:06 PM
There had been many attempts to launch the space shuttle Challenger in the days/weeks preceeding January 28. January 28 was also the day Ronald Reagan was to deliver his State of the Union speech, and his people were pressuring NASA mightily to have the shuttle in orbit that day, as part of his speech was supposed to include a live video/audio uptake to the orbiting spacecraft. Ordinarily, Houston would never have launched in temperatures this cold (temp. at launch site was below freezing - 28 degrees), and Morton Thokol engineers were direly warning NASA and Houston of o-ring failure if they proceeded. The end result was that both NASA and Houston bowed to pressure from their higher-ups and a predictable, horrific tragedy occured...

iHIMself™
10-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by EireEngineer http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/images/clubconspiracy/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/f29/challenger-space-shuttle-explosion-10487-post61610.html#post61610)

Just curious. I truly have never heard of a conspiracy involving the Challenger, so I was wondering.


really? Sigh. As if you haven't questioned it yourself? Why does there need to be a THEORY? Why not just...hey, a frozen o' ring did not make the challenger blow up, the suggestion is insulting, and the fact you are sticking to this 'explanation' is extremely suss.

As Yosamete would say...I don't know how youz dunnit, but i know youz DUNNIT!

Besides the fact there was a civilian????

Here's a question....how many times did a CIVILIAN go to space, and return home??? Barking None!! The last was that Jew that got incinerated (and not in 1944).

I have absolutely no doubt, they really don't want anyone to see what's up there, and those who do go up, shut up, or don't come back. We have never been to the moon, the Russians were right, you can't go past go without collecting 200 million tons of radiation just on your nut sax.

The challenger was going into space with a Teacher, Sharon Christa McAuliffe. It was never coming back.

BlueAngel
10-25-2009, 11:32 PM
really? Sigh. As if you haven't questioned it yourself? Why does there need to be a THEORY? Why not just...hey, a frozen o' ring did not make the challenger blow up, the suggestion is insulting, and the fact you are sticking to this 'explanation' is extremely suss.

As Yosamete would say...I don't know how youz dunnit, but i know youz DUNNIT!

Besides the fact there was a civilian????

Here's a question....how many times did a CIVILIAN go to space, and return home??? Barking None!! The last was that Jew that got incinerated (and not in 1944).

I have absolutely no doubt, they really don't want anyone to see what's up there, and those who do go up, shut up, or don't come back. We have never been to the moon, the Russians were right, you can't go past go without collecting 200 million tons of radiation just on your nut sax.

The challenger was going into space with a Teacher, Sharon Christa McAuliffe. It was never coming back.

Why did NASA invite McAuliffe, a CIVILIAN, to join the Challenger if they knew they would have to blow it up because they didn't want a CIVILIAN to see what's up there?

BlueAngel
10-25-2009, 11:42 PM
Challenger disintegrated 73 seconds after lift-off in 1986.

Two shuttles have been destroyed in 131 missions, both with the loss of the entire crew (14 astronauts total):

Challenger — lost 73 seconds after lift-off on January 28, 1986

Columbia — lost approximately 16 minutes before its' expected landing on February 1, 2003.

This gives a 2% death rate per astronaut-flight, and an average failure rate of nearly 1 in every 60 missions. The original disaster potential, though disaster is not defined as fatal or non-fatal, was estimated during shuttle development at one every 75 missions.

The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster occurred on February 1, 2003, when the Space Shuttle Columbia disintegrated over Texas during re-entry into the Earth's atmosphere, with the loss of all seven crew members, shortly before it was scheduled to conclude its 28th mission.

Space Shuttle program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_program)

BlueAngel
10-25-2009, 11:57 PM
There had been many attempts to launch the space shuttle Challenger in the days/weeks preceeding January 28. January 28 was also the day Ronald Reagan was to deliver his State of the Union speech, and his people were pressuring NASA mightily to have the shuttle in orbit that day, as part of his speech was supposed to include a live video/audio uptake to the orbiting spacecraft. Ordinarily, Houston would never have launched in temperatures this cold (temp. at launch site was below freezing - 28 degrees), and Morton Thokol engineers were direly warning NASA and Houston of o-ring failure if they proceeded. The end result was that both NASA and Houston bowed to pressure from their higher-ups and a predictable, horrific tragedy occured...

So, according to YOU, the Space Shuttle CHALLENGER was placed on the launch pad MANY times before Reagan's State of the Union Address and these MANY attempts to launch failed.

Exactly how many failed attempts to launch the Challenger were there?

What were the reasons given for these failed launch attempts?

Were there astronauts on board or was NASA planning on launching an UNMANNED SHUTTLE into space?

And, how is it that you know Reagan's people were pressuring NASA to have the SHUTTLE in orbit because they were going to include a live video/audio uptake of the orbiting spacecraft?

BlueAngel
10-26-2009, 12:05 AM
So, what is your THEORY as to why THEY blew up the Space Shuttle Columbia?

One CIVILIAN on board.

Mission Specialist: Kalpana Chawla, an Indian-born aerospace engineer on her second space mission.

Crew:

Pilot: William C. McCool, a U.S. Navy commander.

Payload Commander: Michael P. Anderson, a U.S. Air Force lieutenant colonel and physicist who was in charge of the science mission.

Payload Specialist: Ilan Ramon, a colonel in the Israeli Air Force and the first Israeli astronaut.

Mission Specialist: Kalpana Chawla, an Indian-born aerospace engineer on her second space mission.

Mission Specialist: David M. Brown, a U.S. Navy captain trained as an aviator and flight surgeon. Brown worked on a number of scientific experiments.

Mission Specialist: Laurel Clark, a U.S. Navy captain and flight surgeon. Clark worked on a number of biological experiments.

Did they want to get rid of the MILITARY/GOVERNMENT employees or the civilian?

BlueAngel
10-26-2009, 12:20 AM
The last two members of the Challenger crew were not officially Federal government employees. Gregory B. Jarvis, a payload specialist, worked for the Hughes Aircraft Corp.'s Space and Communications Group in Los Angeles, California, and had been made available for the Challenger flight by his company.

Jarvis began work at Hughes in 1973 and served in a variety of technical positions until 1984 when he was accepted into the astronaut program under Hughes' sponsorship after competing against 600 other Hughes employees for the opportunity. Jarvis' duties on the Challenger flight had revolved around gathering new information on the design of liquid-fueled rockets.

However, Jarvis' employment with Hughes Aircraft Corp.'s Space and Communications Group in Los Angeles, California sounds like FEDERAL employment to me since Ronald E. McNair, another member of the Challenger Shuttle, was a Physicist at the Optical Physics Department of Hughes Research Laboratories and considered a Federal Employee.

The last member of the crew was Sharon Christa McAuliffe, the first teacher to fly in space. Selected from among more than 11,000 applicants from the education profession for entrance into the astronaut ranks, McAuliffe had been born on September 2, 1948, the oldest child of Edward and Grace Corrigan.

BlueAngel
10-26-2009, 12:55 AM
Challenger Crew of seven astronauts:

(1) Air Force Test Pilot: (Federal Employee)

The spacecraft commander was Francis R. (Dick) Scobee. He received his pilot's wings in 1966 and began a series of flying assignments with the Air Force, including a combat tour in Vietnam. He attended the USAF Aerospace Research Pilot School at Edwards Air Force Base, California, in 1972 and thereafter was involved in several test programs. As an Air Force test pilot Scobee flew more than 45 types of aircraft, logging more than 6,500 hours of flight time.

(2) US Naval Academy: (Federal Employee)

The pilot for the fatal 1986 Challenger mission was Michael J. Smith, born on April 30, 1945 in Beaufort, North Carolina. At the time of the Challenger accident a commander in the U.S. Navy, Smith had been educated at the U.S. Naval Academy, class of 1967.

(3) National Institute of Health (Federal Employee)

Judith A. Resnik was one of three mission specialists on Challenger. Born on April 5, 1949 at Akron, Ohio, the daughter of Dr. Marvin Resnik, a respected Akron optometrist, and Sarah Resnik. Brought up in the Jewish religion, Resnik was educated in public schools before attending Carnegie-Mellon University, where she received a B.S. in electrical engineering in 1970, and the University of Maryland, where she took at Ph.D. in the same field in 1977. Resnik worked in a variety of professional positions with the RCA corporation in the early 1970s and as a staff fellow with the Laboratory of Neurophysiology at the National Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, between 1974 and 1977.

(4) Physicist at the Optical Physics Department of Hughes Research
Laboratories (Federal Employee)

Ronald E. McNair was the second of three mission specialists aboard Challenger. Born on October 21, 1950 in Lake City, South Carolina, McNair was the son of Carl C. McNair, Sr., and Pearl M. McNair. He achieved early success in the segregated public schools he attended as both a student and an athlete. Valedictorian of his high school class, he attended North Carolina A&T State University where in 1971 he received a B.S. degree in physics. He went on to study physics at MIT, where he specialized in quantum electronics and laser technology, completing his Ph.D. in 1977. As a student he performed some of the earliest work on chemical HF/DF and high pressure CO lasers, publishing pathbreaking scientific papers on the subject. The 1986 mission on which he was killed was his second Shuttle flight.

(5) Air Force (Federal Employee):

Ellison S. Onizuka, was the last of the three mission specialists. He participated in the Air Force R.O.T.C. program, leading to a commission in January 1970. Onizuka served on active duty with the Air Force until January 1978 when he was selected as a NASA astronaut. With the Air Force in the early 1970s he was an aerospace flight test engineer at the Sacramento Air Logistics Center. After July 1975 he was assigned to the Air Force Flight Test Center at Edwards Air Force Base, California, as squadron flight test officer and later as chief of the engineering support section. The Challenger flight was his second Shuttle mission.

(6) A Payload Specialist:

The last two members of the Challenger crew were not officially Federal government employees. Gregory B. Jarvis, a payload specialist, worked for the Hughes Aircraft Corp.'s Space and Communications Group in Los Angeles, California, and had been made available for the Challenger flight by his company. Jarvis had been born on August 24, 1944, in Detroit, Michigan. He had been educated at the State University of New York at Buffalo, receiving a B.S. in electrical engineering (1967); at Northeastern University, Boston, where he received an M.S. degree in the same field (1969); and at West Coast University, Los Angeles, where he completed coursework for an M.S. in management science (1973). Jarvis began work at Hughes in 1973 and served in a variety of technical positions until 1984 when he was accepted into the astronaut program under Hughes' sponsorship after competing against 600 other Hughes employees for the opportunity. Jarvis' duties on the Challenger flight had revolved around gathering new information on the design of liquid-fueled rockets.

(7) A Teacher:

The last member of the crew was Sharon Christa McAuliffe, the first teacher to fly in space. Selected from among more than 11,000 applicants from the education profession for entrance into the astronaut ranks, McAuliffe had been born on September 2, 1948, the oldest child of Edward and Grace Corrigan. Her father was at that time completing his sophomore year at Boston College, but not long thereafter he took a job as an assistant comptroller in a Boston department store and the family moved to the Boston suburb of Framingham. As a youth she registered excitement over the Apollo moon landing program, and wrote years later on her astronaut application form that "I watched the Space Age being born and I would like to participate."

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According to the above information, the last two members of the Challenger Shuttle were not FEDERAL employees.

Teacher, McAulifee and Gregory B. Jarvis, a payload specialist.

So, there were TWO CIVILIANS on board.

However, Jarvis' employment with Hughes Aircraft Corp.'s Space and Communications Group in Los Angeles, California sounds like FEDERAL employment to me since Ronald E. McNair, another member of the Challenger Shuttle, was a Physicist at the Optical Physics Department of Hughes Research
Laboratories and considered a Federal Employee.

EireEngineer
10-26-2009, 08:40 AM
What's wrong with beinging a federal employee? I mean, besides being a unionized drain on society and the GDP that is, lol.

EireEngineer
10-26-2009, 08:48 AM
really? Sigh. As if you haven't questioned it yourself? Why does there need to be a THEORY? Why not just...hey, a frozen o' ring did not make the challenger blow up, the suggestion is insulting, and the fact you are sticking to this 'explanation' is extremely suss.

As Yosamete would say...I don't know how youz dunnit, but i know youz DUNNIT!

Besides the fact there was a civilian????

Here's a question....how many times did a CIVILIAN go to space, and return home??? Barking None!! The last was that Jew that got incinerated (and not in 1944).

I have absolutely no doubt, they really don't want anyone to see what's up there, and those who do go up, shut up, or don't come back. We have never been to the moon, the Russians were right, you can't go past go without collecting 200 million tons of radiation just on your nut sax.

The challenger was going into space with a Teacher, Sharon Christa McAuliffe. It was never coming back.
Stream of consciousness much? Before you reply back to this I want you to do two things:1 Get Mozilla Firefox. It does spell checking on the fly.
2. Calm down, take a deep breath, and TRY to form a cogent sentence, or frame your idea in a less random manner.

Now, as for the one assertion that I could pick out of that mess of incoherence, civilian (non military) scientists go into space all of the time. Admittedly in the early days they were primarily military personnel, but that is because it is the only place you can find a large pool of experienced,well trained pilots.

For a list of all of the astronauts by year of induction go to Wapedia - Wiki: List of astronauts by selection (http://wapedia.mobi/en/List_of_astronauts_by_selection)

revolution60
11-08-2009, 09:28 PM
what really got me thinking about it was the fact it was such a huge media event with many emotions attached to it..

iHIMself™
04-01-2010, 11:54 PM
Stream of consciousness much? Before you reply back to this I want you to do two things:1 Get Mozilla Firefox. It does spell checking on the fly.
2. Calm down, take a deep breath, and TRY to form a cogent sentence, or frame your idea in a less random manner.

Now, as for the one assertion that I could pick out of that mess of incoherence, civilian (non military) scientists go into space all of the time. Admittedly in the early days they were primarily military personnel, but that is because it is the only place you can find a large pool of experienced,well trained pilots.

Ok....Sigh

1. I dont need to spell check anything because if I spelt it wrong...I did it on porpuse.
2. I ALWAYS speak my mind, whether incoherently, or noncogently or at random. And if you're not convinced...there was a reason for that. I'm speaking my mind, and not trying to convince anyone of anything. Use your own head, and don't be so lazy and do your own research. I tried inserting webpages as reference points before, only to have them "dissappear" off the base of the net.

The fact you assert they were all military personnel and use the excuse of the only 'pool of experienced' pilots, shows you are fooled by your own foolishness. Indeed any well trained pilot today, is still NOT what we would call a civilian.

Wasn't it on the news just last week of a guy with a $50 camera tied to a balloon that took snapshots of the earth that would have cost NASA 600 million?

Space has been BOUGHT. It was a race for INFORMATION....SPY satellites, whatever. NOT the moon...or MARS or any stupid idea as such.

NO civilian will ever go, as PROVEN by Richard Bransons Space Flight attempt.

Ask yourself this.....If we really DID go to the moon....why haven't any of the filthy RICH gone yet? Pfft. Exactly.

One day they'll make a spacecraft that will SIMULATE it for you.