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galexander
10-19-2009, 02:14 PM
THE PROPOSITION:

Was the 1918 Spanish 'Flu a biological warfare agent?

The proof:

1. The virus broke out while the First World War was still raging.

2. It was soldiers who first got the disease.

3. Many at the time blamed the outbreak on the German military who were accused of spreading the virus in an effort to win the war.

4. It was Allied soldiers who first got the disease.

5. When Germans soldiers eventually also started to succumb to the virus, the German surrender came pretty swiftly.

6. Chemical weapons were first used during the First World War, were biological weapons used also?

7. It is estimated that more people died as a result of the Spanish 'Flu than died as a direct result of the fighting in the whole of WWI. Did this single fact subsequently influence the almost universal global ban on biological weapons?

galexander
10-20-2009, 10:16 AM
The 1918 Spanish ‘Flu epidemic killed more people than the Black Death.

In some parts of the world it killed as many as 16% of the population.

It was only called the ‘Spanish ‘Flu’ because only neutral Spain were reporting on the problem indicating the level of censorship surrounding the issue in wartime Europe.

But why exactly were they keeping quiet about it?

It is true that the experts give conflicting details on the subject of the outbreak (but what’s new about that, that’s what they always do?) but the clues are still there.

galexander
10-21-2009, 03:48 AM
Research carried out by John Oxford, a virologist at St Bartholomew’s Hospital, and the Royal London Hospital, has found that the virus first got hold in 1918 at the British military camp at Étaples in France.

This camp formed an important centre communication wise and was linked by rail transporting troops straight to the frontlines.

In other words the virus could not have been better placed for disrupting the Allied war effort.

galexander
10-21-2009, 11:45 AM
Biological warfare was even used in the medieval era. The corpses of diseased animals and humans were catapulted over castle walls during sieges in the hope of infecting the occupants within.

In 1918 people were aware of the existence of microbes and had a fair idea of how they worked.

It is not implausible that in 1918 it had been observed that an often deadly disease sometimes caused birds to fall out of the sky and in order to make the disease transmissible to man they had taken the bird ‘flu and given it to pigs? This is how scientists today believe Spanish ‘Flu came about, that an avian ‘flu was given to swine and then finally to man.

galexander
10-22-2009, 12:14 PM
The Spanish ‘Flu has become known as the “forgotten pandemic”. Despite its devastating impact with anywhere between 3% and 6% of the entire world’s population dying, historians have been at loss to explain why this dark event in the history of humanity has more or less faded from our collective memory.

But is this unwillingness to remember the Spanish ‘Flu not symptomatic of the inclination of our world’s governments to hide the embarrassing truth about how this virus was originally spread?

EireEngineer
10-22-2009, 12:41 PM
Its certainly possible. Just have an infected soldier "desert" to the other side and there you go!

galexander
10-23-2009, 11:05 AM
Its certainly possible. Just have an infected soldier "desert" to the other side and there you go!

I detect a crafty snipe at my suggestion EireEngineer!

However, I continue........

The Spanish ‘Flu is still alive and kicking in scientific labs across the world. Scientists have retrieved live virus samples of the 1918 Spanish Influenza from victims who were frozen after death.

Many have questioned the wisdom of handling such a dangerous virus given the risks of an accidental outbreak.

As a result of this and despite a widespread ban on biological weapons, secret stockpiles of Spanish ‘Flu can be produced for weapons usage.

EireEngineer
10-23-2009, 07:18 PM
No snipe, I was being serious. It truly would not be hard to use it as a weapon.

galexander
10-24-2009, 12:52 PM
No snipe, I was being serious. It truly would not be hard to use it as a weapon.

You could have read what you said in more than one way. Anyway it was not quite what I was suggesting.

Again, I continue.......

I also find it a startling fact that not only was the unique global event of the First World War accompanied by a devastating flu outbreak but that it also resulted in the 1917 Russian Revolution. The Germans blamed the Russians for having started the war and it seems ironic that Russia left the war because their own government was overthrown by insurgents.

Some have claimed that German agents had sponsored Lenin. See the following link:

Who was behind the Bolshevik Revolution? (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=6446)

Certainly when Russia left the war huge swathes of territory were handed over to Germany. And Russia was still not in the clear as it now had a civil war on its hands which dragged on until 1923.

EireEngineer
10-26-2009, 08:50 AM
I dont need to read the link to tell you that yes, the Germans sponsored Lenin (and sent him back to Russia) hoping it would destabilize the Russians.

galexander
10-26-2009, 12:22 PM
I dont need to read the link to tell you that yes, the Germans sponsored Lenin (and sent him back to Russia) hoping it would destabilize the Russians.

But does that mean that Communism (in its Russian form) was a conspiracy, and a German inspired one at that?

EireEngineer
10-27-2009, 12:13 PM
At the time they thought it would weaken the Russians, but obviously they never anticipated a Stalin coming onto the scene. I suppose it does loosely fit the definition of a conspiracy. More like political sabotage.

galexander
10-27-2009, 12:58 PM
At the time they thought it would weaken the Russians, but obviously they never anticipated a Stalin coming onto the scene. I suppose it does loosely fit the definition of a conspiracy. More like political sabotage.

I agree.

However what about the Hitler/Stalin alliance regarding the invasion and division of Poland?

Further after Hitler's betrayal of Stalin why did Hitler believe he could invade and conquer Russia overnight? This is not what happened, in fact far from it. Germany's humiliation in Russia was one of the turning points in the war. Many commentators have put this down to pure madness on Hitler's part.

But is there more to it than that? Did Hitler have, or believed he had, inside support in the Soviet Union that would swing things in his favour? This is very much how the man Hitler thought. He had many schemes on the boil.

Fahrenheit 912
10-27-2009, 08:06 PM
Spanish flu
Bird flu
Swine Flu
Something in common? Man Made?

Was The 'Spanish Flu'
Epidemic Man-Made?
Sixty Million Dead In 1918-19
By Henry Makow PhD
12-2-6
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world's population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has disappeared down the memory hole.
Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html)
He says that it "got out of control" but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the "Spanish Flu" was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current "Bird Flu." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20)
There was nothing "Spanish" about this flu. According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20)
"In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it."
"Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred.
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BlueAngel
10-27-2009, 08:28 PM
Spanish flu
Bird flu
Swine Flu
Something in common? Man Made?

Was The 'Spanish Flu'
Epidemic Man-Made?
Sixty Million Dead In 1918-19
By Henry Makow PhD
12-2-6
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world's population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has disappeared down the memory hole.
Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/influenza/peopleevents/pandeAMEX86.html)
He says that it "got out of control" but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the "Spanish Flu" was a deliberate elite depopulation measure, and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections between it and the current "Bird Flu." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm%20)
There was nothing "Spanish" about this flu. According to Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu%20)
"In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the Fiji Islands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India's population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it."
"Indeed, symptoms in 1918 were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue, cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred.
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"Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

An article by Makow.

That means it's absolutely and positively true, doesn't it?

Well, of course, if you're one of his followers.

Posts like this always bring me back to my INTIAL QUESTION.

How is it that the CONTROLLERS who supposedly EMPLOY the scientific community to create a flu for depopulation measures are immune to it?

The same query I have when a post is made about fluoride and the negative effects of same.

What do the controllers use for toothpaste?

One that is specially made for them and doesn't contain fluoride?

From where do they obtain their water supply?

A private pipe line that isn't fluoridated?

Could you kindly provide some back-up for the following, Farenheit?

"In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made."

How did Mueller know that that Spanish flu was man-made?

Is it because he helped to develop this man-made flu in Germany when he was 18 years old?

Thanks,
BA

P.S. Mueller was born in 1900. The Spanish flu hit in 1918/1919.

EireEngineer
10-28-2009, 08:56 AM
I suppose they had genetic engineering labs in 1918, even though the structure of DNA wasn't known until 1953 or so?

galexander
10-28-2009, 01:00 PM
In reply to Fahrenheit 912 I would note the following two points:

What was Heinrich Mueller, a former head of the Gestapo, doing telling his CIA interrogators that the Spanish Flu came from the United States and that the Americans were therefore to blame? Didn't his CIA interrogators know this piece of information already if presumably the CIA were part of the cover-up?

Come on, this doesn't add up.

Heinrich Mueller also claims that the Spanish Flu was released accidentally and this would therefore imply that the release of the virus during WWI was entirely co-incidental. How can we take his word for this? Could it not for example have been a German agent who was responsible for 'accidentally' releasing the virus from a US lab?

I don't believe Mueller's story at all.

Fahrenheit 912
10-29-2009, 09:41 AM
An article by Makow.

That means it's absolutely and positively true, doesn't it?

Well, of course, if you're one of his followers.

Posts like this always bring me back to my INTIAL QUESTION.

How is it that the CONTROLLERS who supposedly EMPLOY the scientific community to create a flu for depopulation measures are immune to it?

The same query I have when a post is made about fluoride and the negative effects of same.

What do the controllers use for toothpaste?

One that is specially made for them and doesn't contain fluoride?

From where do they obtain their water supply?

A private pipe line that isn't fluoridated?

Could you kindly provide some back-up for the following, Farenheit?

"In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made."

How did Mueller know that that Spanish flu was man-made?

Is it because he helped to develop this man-made flu in Germany when he was 18 years old?

Thanks,
BA

P.S. Mueller was born in 1900. The Spanish flu hit in 1918/1919.



Mrs. Angel:

Your continuous, consistant use of vague, inexplicit terms such as "MASTERS," "SLAVES," "CONTROLLERS," and the omnipresent "THEY," and "THEM" serves your case very poorly - but only to the extent that you are able to make any sort of case at all... The use of such words begs an infinate number of questions: Who are these "CONTROLLERS" that you mention? Members of the supposed "Illuminatti"? Oil company executives? Members of the press? Marxists? Fascists....? Who are the "SLAVES?" The Proletariat? Second or third level corporate executives....? A higher degree of specificity would make your text much more intelligible and even readable...

Now to the issue of the Spanish Flu epidemic: The conceptualization and use of "germ warfare" goes all the way back to the Middle Ages. It was known by invading armies then, that by introducing (ie. hurling or catapulting) the corpses of plague-ridden animals or even humans over the walls of the fortresses of enemies, that the inhabitants of these complexes would quickly be consumed by plague and subsequently vanquished. So germ warfare has the rather dubious distinction of having its roots rather deeply entrenched in human history.

The histories of epidemiology (disease process) and immunology (vaccines) have roots going back over 200 years. The first vaccine (for smallpox) was developed by Jenner in 1789 using a lesser strain of the smallpox pathogen (cowpox). This lesser strain was known to affect milkmaids and subsequently made them immune to the more virulent and deadly form of the disease. The first vaccine for rabies was developed by Pasteur in 1885, utilizing a weakened strain of the rabies pathogen. This was to be followed in 1896 by vaccines for both cholera and diptheria, again utilizing weakened strains of both pathogens. So well before the development of the DNA model and the turn of the twentieth century, both epidemiology and immunology were firmly established in the world of science.

So then, that would lead to the initial question in the article by Dr. Makow, "Was the Spanish Flu Epidemic Man-Made?" One would have to look at this disease within the context of the times (circa WWI). The First World War saw the first introduction of various non-conventional weapons of mass incapacitation and death (ie. mustard gas, nerve agents, others) that were to be later banned by international treaty. One would think that the US Army would have had more than just a passing interest in these unconventional weapons at that time, including and especially germ warfare. The question of whether the science of 1918 was compatible with the development of such germ warfare agents, while debatable, seems much more likely than not.

In closing, I will direct you to an excerpt from a related article by Dr. Makow, concerning and possibly clarifiying the issue of Heinrich Mueller. Reference second, third paragraphs:

Was The “Spanish Flu” Man-made?


By Henry Makow Ph.D.
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world’s population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has slipped down the memory hole. Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. He says that it “got out of control” but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the “Spanish Flu” was a deliberate elite depopulation measure (http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/02/24/de-population-by-medicine/), and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm)between it and the current “Bird Flu.”
There was nothing “Spanish” about this flu. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu): “In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the FijiIslands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India’s population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it.”
[….]
At a 1944 Nazi bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin, General Walter Schreiber, Chief of the Medical Corps of the German Army told Mueller that he had spent two months in the US in 1927 conferring with his counterparts. They told him that the “so-called double blow virus” (i.e. Spanish Flu) was developed and used during the 1914 war (http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/the-christmas-truce-1914/). “But,” according to Mueller, “it got out of control and instead of killing the Germans who had surrendered by then, it turned back on you, and nearly everybody else.” (”Gestapo Chief: The 1948 CIA Interrogation of Heinrich Mueller” Vol. 2 by Gregory Douglas, p. 106) Actually the Armistice took place Aug 11, 1918.
[….]
Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistent and full of plausible revelations .
Last edited by Fahrenheit 912 : Today at 01:13 AM.

galexander
10-29-2009, 01:12 PM
So now Mueller is telling us two separate things.

First the Americans accidently infected themselves during WWI and military usage is not necessarily implied.

Second the Americans infected German soldiers deliberately as an act of biological warfare but then ultimately the virus backfired on themselves along with the rest of the world.

But just a minute, both these scenarios cannot be correct at the same time.

And is 'Heinrich Mueller' the same as 'Heinrich Müller' the head of the Gestapo. I was sure Mueller was Dutch.

Fahrenheit 912
10-29-2009, 06:08 PM
So now Mueller is telling us two separate things.

First the Americans accidently infected themselves during WWI and military usage is not necessarily implied.

Second the Americans infected German soldiers deliberately as an act of biological warfare but then ultimately the virus backfired on themselves along with the rest of the world.

But just a minute, both these scenarios cannot be correct at the same time.

And is 'Heinrich Mueller' the same as 'Heinrich Müller' the head of the Gestapo. I was sure Mueller was Dutch.


I don"t see any real inconsistencies here.... Troops that were infected towards the end of the war were re-stationed back in the states in places like Fort Riley, Kansas. After an initial incubation period, the disease re-emerged in isolated areas at first, and then spread like wildfire, decimating populations around the world...

BlueAngel
10-29-2009, 11:42 PM
Mrs. Angel:

Your continuous, consistant use of vague, inexplicit terms such as "MASTERS," "SLAVES," "CONTROLLERS," and the omnipresent "THEY," and "THEM" serves your case very poorly - but only to the extent that you are able to make any sort of case at all... The use of such words begs an infinate number of questions: Who are these "CONTROLLERS" that you mention? Members of the supposed "Illuminatti"? Oil company executives? Members of the press? Marxists? Fascists....? Who are the "SLAVES?" The Proletariat? Second or third level corporate executives....? A higher degree of specificity would make your text much more intelligible and even readable...

Now to the issue of the Spanish Flu epidemic: The conceptualization and use of "germ warfare" goes all the way back to the Middle Ages. It was known by invading armies then, that by introducing (ie. hurling or catapulting) the corpses of plague-ridden animals or even humans over the walls of the fortresses of enemies, that the inhabitants of these complexes would quickly be consumed by plague and subsequently vanquished. So germ warfare has the rather dubious distinction of having its roots rather deeply entrenched in human history.

The histories of epidemiology (disease process) and immunology (vaccines) have roots going back over 200 years. The first vaccine (for smallpox) was developed by Jenner in 1789 using a lesser strain of the smallpox pathogen (cowpox). This was known to affect milkmaids and subsequently made them immune to the more virulent and deadly form of the disease (smallpox). The first vaccine for rabies was developed by Pasteur in 1885, utilizing a weakened strain of the rabies pathogen. This was to be followed in 1896 by vaccines for both cholera and diptheria, again utilizing weakened strains of both pathogens. So well before the development of the DNA model and the turn of the twentieth century, both epidemiology and immunology were firmly established in the world of science.

So then, that would lead to the initial question in the article by Dr. Makow, "Was the Spanish Flu Epidemic Man-Made?" One would have to look at this disease within the context of the times (circa WWI). The First World War saw the first introduction of various non-conventional weapons of mass incapacitation and death (ie. mustard gas, nerve agents, others) that were to be later banned by international treaty. One would think that the US Army would have had more than just a passing interest in these unconventional weapons at that time, including and especially germ warfare. The question of whether the science of 1918 was compatible with the development of such germ warfare agents, while debatable, seems much more likely than not.

In closing, I will direct you to an excerpt from a related article by Dr. Makow, concerning and possibly clarifiying the issue of Heinrich Mueller. Reference second, third paragraphs:

Was The “Spanish Flu” Man-made?


By Henry Makow Ph.D.
In 1948 Heinrich Mueller, the former head of the Gestapo, told his CIA Interrogator that the most devastating plague in human history was man-made.
He was referring to the influenza pandemic of 1918-1919 that infected 20% of the world’s population and killed between 60 and 100 million people. This is roughly 3 times as many as were killed and wounded in World War One, and is comparable to WWII losses, yet this modern plague has slipped down the memory hole. Mueller said the flu started as a US army bacteriological warfare weapon that somehow infected US army ranks at Camp Riley KS in March 1918, and spread around the world. He says that it “got out of control” but we cannot discount the horrible possibility that the “Spanish Flu” was a deliberate elite depopulation measure (http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/02/24/de-population-by-medicine/), and that it could be used again. Researchers have found connections (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4308872.stm)between it and the current “Bird Flu.”
There was nothing “Spanish” about this flu. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu): “In the U.S., about 28% of the population suffered, and 500,000 to 675,000 died. In Britain 200,000 died; in France more than 400,000. Entire villages perished in Alaska and southern Africa. In Australia an estimated 10,000 people died and in the FijiIslands, 14% of the population died during only two weeks, and in Western Samoa 22%. An estimated 17 million died in India, about 5% of India’s population at the time. In the Indian Army, almost 22% of troops who caught the disease died of it.”
[….]
At a 1944 Nazi bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin, General Walter Schreiber, Chief of the Medical Corps of the German Army told Mueller that he had spent two months in the US in 1927 conferring with his counterparts. They told him that the “so-called double blow virus” (i.e. Spanish Flu) was developed and used during the 1914 war (http://elliotlakenews.wordpress.com/2007/12/19/the-christmas-truce-1914/). “But,” according to Mueller, “it got out of control and instead of killing the Germans who had surrendered by then, it turned back on you, and nearly everybody else.” (”Gestapo Chief: The 1948 CIA Interrogation of Heinrich Mueller” Vol. 2 by Gregory Douglas, p. 106) Actually the Armistice took place Aug 11, 1918.
[….]
Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistent and full of plausible revelations .
Last edited by Fahrenheit 912 : Today at 01:13 AM.

Dear Mr. Farenheit:

I did not use the word SLAVE and/or MASTER.

I used the word CONTROLLERS.

This word would apply to the BANKSTERS, wealthy elitists and many others.

Anyone who proposes to be "in the know" as to how the world operates and who operates it, should be aware of the CONTROLLERS and who they are.

Obviously, you are not "in the know."

From whom and where did Makow obtain the information about Muller that he writes about in the following article on his site and from whom did the author of the book about Muller's journal, whom Makow plugs in his article, receive his information?

savethemales.ca - Gestapo Chief Became Top Truman Advisor (http://www.henrymakow.com/001699.html)

A two page reply is not necessary.

As I said, Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu hit, so, unless he worked in the laboratory where the Spanish Flu was supposedly manufactured, his knowledge is hearsay.

In what country do you propose the flu was manufactured?

EireEngineer
10-30-2009, 12:51 PM
Remember...they didnt need to "manufacture" small pox to use it against native Americans.

galexander
10-30-2009, 01:30 PM
I don"t see any real inconsistencies here.... Troops that were infected towards the end of the war were re-stationed back in the states in places like Fort Riley, Kansas. After an initial incubation period, the disease re-emerged in isolated areas at first, and then spread like wildfire, decimating populations around the world...

But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?

Fahrenheit 912
10-30-2009, 03:21 PM
But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?


The US Army has its own intelligence department, separate from the CIA. Although they usually coordinate their activities and share information, I can see why the US Army wouldn't necessarily want to admit to a blunder of this magnitude - even to a sister intelligence agency...

Fahrenheit 912
10-30-2009, 06:39 PM
[quote=BlueAngel;62083]Dear Mr. Farenheit:

I did not use the word SLAVE and/or MASTER.

I used the word CONTROLLERS.

This word would apply to the BANKSTERS, wealthy elitists and many others.

Anyone who proposes to be "in the know" as to how the world operates and who operates it, should be aware of the CONTROLLERS and who they are.

Obviously, you are not "in the know."

From whom and where did Makow obtain the information about Muller that he writes about in the following article on his site and from whom did the author of the book about Muller's journal, whom Makow plugs in his article, receive his information?

savethemales.ca - Gestapo Chief Became Top Truman Advisor (http://www.henrymakow.com/001699.html)

A two page reply is not necessary.

As I said, Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu hit, so, unless he worked in the laboratory where the Spanish Flu was supposedly manufactured, his knowledge is hearsay.

In what country do you propose the flu was manufactured?[


The information you refer to was obtained from the US Archives under the Freedom of Information Act. The country involved in proliferating Spanish Influenza for military purposes appears to be the US, although we are relying on Mueller's testimony only. But then, why would such a scholarly man deliberately lie in memoirs of such importance and that were meant to be kept secret for a long time, at least until his death?

I have always been suspicious of the origins of Spanish Influenza, as the timeline of this catastrophic disease paralleled the ending of the First World War. You can automatically assume the US government and particularly the military will never come clean on this one....

Also, your use of trite, cliche' little expressions like "in the know" is the mark of a true half-wit. Enroll in a course in English composition at your local college. You'll be better off for it...

EireEngineer
10-30-2009, 09:45 PM
This from the guy using the term "Banksters" lol.

BlueAngel
10-30-2009, 10:50 PM
This from the guy using the term "Banksters" lol.

The "guy" did not use the term Banksters.

I did.

I assumed you were aware that I am WOMAN.

For all others who are not "in the know."

BlueAngel is a female.

EireEngineer
10-30-2009, 11:02 PM
The "guy" did not use the term Banksters.

I did.

I assumed you were aware that I am WOMAN.

For all others who are not "in the know."

BlueAngel is a female.
Sooooooorrrrrry. lol The poster's inability to use the quote system threw me. Wrong attribution.

BlueAngel
10-30-2009, 11:09 PM
Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

The information you refer to was obtained from the US Archives under the Freedom of Information Act. The country involved in proliferating Spanish Influenza for military purposes appears to be the US, although we are relying on Mueller's testimony only. But then, why would such a scholarly man deliberately lie in memoirs of such importance and that were meant to be kept secret for a long time, at least until his death?

WE are not relying on Muller's testimony about the Spanish Flu and who manufactured it.

You are.

Please read my lips.

Muller was a teenager when the Spanish Flu appeared. So, he either worked in the laboratory in the US that created it when he was a teenager or someone informed him of such and he included this in his SECRET memoirs that were CONVENIENTLY released from the US archives under the Freedom or Information Act to propagate this belief or his memoirs are BS.

Please provide the name of the person who requested the information about Mueller from the US archives under the FOIA.

FYI, no one knows exactly when Muller died.

His whereabouts and death have been kept a secret for OBVIOUS reasons.

If this scholarly man's memoirs, as you refer to him, who was a GESTAPO, were of such IMPORTANCE and meant to be kept secret, why weren't they?

Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

I have always been suspicious of the origins of Spanish Influenza, as the timeline of this catastrophic disease paralleled the ending of the First World War. You can automatically assume the US government and particularly the military will never come clean on this one....

Thanks for informing me that the US military and the US government will never come clean on this one.

As if anyone expects the US Military or government to come clean regarding any criminal activity in which they are involved.

That would be akin to a KILLER admitting that he is a KILLER.

Again, if you were "in the know," you would NEVER expect that the US Military or government wold admit to any wrongdoing.

Thanks for proving my assessment as far as you are concerned.

Fahrenheit 912 wrote:

Also, your use of trite, cliche' little expressions like "in the know" are the marks of a true half-wit. Enroll in a course in English composition at your local college. You'll be better off for it...

The use of my expressions such as "in the know" ILLUMINATE that I am an INTELLECTUAL as does my English composition.

BlueAngel
10-30-2009, 11:12 PM
Sooooooorrrrrry. lol The poster's inability to use the quote system threw me. Wrong attribution.

Apology accepted.

Just don't let it happen again.

;)

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 12:18 AM
The US Army has its own intelligence department, separate from the CIA. Although they usually coordinate their activities and share information, I can see why the US Army wouldn't necessarily want to admit to a blunder of this magnitude - even to a sister intelligence agency...

What BLUNDER of THIS MAGNITUDE didn't the US Army want to share with the CIA?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 12:19 AM
But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?

Gotta love it!

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 12:22 AM
But again Fahrenheit 912 you are missing an important point.

Why would a Nazi chief bother telling Americans what they would have known already? If the US deliberately used Spanish Flu against German soldiers the CIA would already have known this.

What was he trying to do, insult his interrogators?
You do realize there was no such thing as the CIA then?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 12:42 AM
You do realize there was no such thing as the CIA then?

You do realize that, apparently, Muller told his CIA interrogators about the Spanish Flu so, obvioulsy, there was such a thing as the CIA then.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 12:52 AM
Yeah, I do think they are a little confused as to their timeline, since the CIA evolved out of the OSS, and I dont think that was even in existence in 1918.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:03 AM
Yeah, I do think they are a little confused as to their timeline, since the CIA evolved out of the OSS, and I dont think that was even in existence in 1918.

I think it is you who is a little confused.

It was stated by Fahrenheit that Muller told his CIA interrogators WHO manufactured the Spanish Flu.

This would indicate that the CIA existed at the time he was interrogated because the CIA interrogated him.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:09 AM
Could be, it is late. If I could get my auto-router to run faster I could test my design and go to bed lol.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:13 AM
Could be, it is late. If I could get my auto-router to run faster I could test my design and go to bed lol.

I suggest you forget about your auto-router and go to bed.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:18 AM
Nah. See some of us have jobs. Some of us are salaried. In addition, some of us are dedicated. Besides, if I get it done tonight then I can send off the gerber files and be done with it so that I will have plenty of time to take my girlfriends daughter trick or treating tomorrow. So see...we are not all bad.

Oh and I am not a mason lol.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:25 AM
Nah. See some of us have jobs. Some of us are salaried. In addition, some of us are dedicated. Besides, if I get it done tonight then I can send off the gerber files and be done with it so that I will have plenty of time to take my girlfriends daughter trick or treating tomorrow. So see...we are not all bad.

Oh and I am not a mason lol.

Yep.

Some of us have jobs.

Some of us are salaried.

Some of us are umeployed, starving and homeless.

Some of us, like myself, are owners of a business and dedicated to our COUNTRY, and we THANK GOD every day for our blessings.

Care to explain what you mean when you say "we're not all bad."

Very weird statement, to say the least.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:29 AM
Please dont say the word saint...those catholic retards may be watching lol.

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:31 AM
Please dont say the word saint...those catholic retards may be watching lol.

Did someone say the word saint?

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:33 AM
Did someone say the word saint?
Oh Cute....you learned how to edit a post. lol

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:34 AM
Oh Cute....you learned how to edit a post. lol

Learned?

It isn't that difficult.

Do you need lessons?

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:47 AM
Nope. I figured it out the first time I mis-spelled something and didnt catch it in time lol. However, if you know how to do superscript on here that would be much appreciated.:rolleyes:

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 01:52 AM
Nope. I figured it out the first time I mis-spelled something and didnt catch it in time lol. However, if you know how to do superscript on here that would be much appreciated.:rolleyes:

Mis-spelling doesn't include the editing function.

Those are two separate tools.

Why would it be much appreciated by you if I know how to superscript?

Are you having a problem?

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 01:58 AM
Mis-spelling doesn't include the editing function.

Those are two separate tools.

Why would it be much appreciated by you if I know how to superscript?

Are you having a problem?
Is English your first language even? Read this VERY SLOWLY. I MIS-SPELLED SOMETHING AND POSTED IT. THEN I EDITED THE MIS-SPELLING. GET IT???

As for the superscript, yeah I am not sure how to do that on this site. Every other site on the planet seems to have a button for it because 9.8m/s2 looks soooo much better when the 2 is in superscript like it should be. So if you know how to do this let me know, ok?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 02:01 AM
Is English your first language even? Read this VERY SLOWLY. I MIS-SPELLED SOMETHING AND POSTED IT. THEN I EDITED THE MIS-SPELLING. GET IT???

As for the superscript, yeah I am not sure how to do that on this site. Every other site on the planet seems to have a button for it because 9.8m/s2 looks soooo much better when the 2 is in superscript like it should be. So if you know how to do this let me know, ok?

I think you're confused.

What is it you want to know?

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 02:03 AM
Pretty simple. if I want to type in x squared, how do I put the 2 in superscript?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 02:10 AM
Pretty simple. if I want to type in x squared, how do I put the 2 in superscript?

Just type in X squared and put in 2 superscript.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 02:21 AM
You dont even know what superscript is do you?

BlueAngel
10-31-2009, 02:23 AM
You dont even know what superscript is do you?

Obviously, you don't since you had to inquire about it.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 06:57 AM
LOL....superscript is when a character is typed in a smaller font just above the other text. Subscript is when this smaller type appears below the main text. This Sanjay cat obviously didnt bother getting a decent forum package because even the 2012ers have the capability.

galexander
10-31-2009, 01:37 PM
You do realize there was no such thing as the CIA then?

Thank you EireEngineer. I am quite aware that the CIA did not exist in 1918 but did Fahrenheit 912 who said the following:

The US Army has its own intelligence department, separate from the CIA. Although they usually coordinate their activities and share information, I can see why the US Army wouldn't necessarily want to admit to a blunder of this magnitude - even to a sister intelligence agency...


The point is if the Nazi secret police knew about US use of biological weapons during WWI then the CIA would have known about it as well. As I have said the CIA would have been in on the cover up.

EireEngineer
10-31-2009, 02:38 PM
Thats true. Impossible to prove but true.

Fahrenheit 912
10-31-2009, 08:58 PM
Whoa... guys...chill out!!! Some of you have been going at it most of the night, I see. Nothing is that important...., nothing worth getting that worked up about.... Have a beer..., hell..., have two beers. Kick back in that easy chair. Click your heels together three times and recite THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME. THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE HOME. Soon you'll be back in Kansas with Toto and Auntie Em. Try it..., it really works!!!

OK, you're feeling better already, aren't you???

Now that we're all nice and relaxed, let's try and sort through things: The CIA came into being in 1947. It was a direct offshoot of the OSS (Office of Strategic Services). We're all in agreement ??? Good! The OSS came into being during WWII to coordinate the activities of the various military intelligence agencies (ie. Army Intelligence, Naval Intelligence). We're still in agreement??? Just checking... Now focus on the word "coordinate." Army Intelligence was a completely separate entity in its own right, and wouldn't necessarily share any of its information with any other internal intelligence organization. Particularly, I cannot see Army Intelligence sharing information on such grave, incriminating matters involving a previous historical war. But you see, neither the OSS or the CIA were in existance during WWI. This is an important point..., take notes.

In 1948, during a CIA interrogation, Heinrich Mueller related a story told to him by a certain Dr. Walter Schreiber during a bacteriological warfare conference in Berlin in 1944. Dr. Schreiber was head of the German Army Medical Corps, and in 1927, traveled to the US to meet with his American counterparts at a conference on germ warfare. At this conference, his American counterparts admitted their culpability in the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918. Spanish Influenza was intended to decimate the ranks of the German Army, but the German Army had already surrendered, and the disease came back on the American troops, who were then re-stationed back in the US at the end of the war...The disease first started appearing in very isolated areas, and then spread and evolved into one of the worst pandemics in human history.

We would then come to the issue of documentation. Dr. Makow says that Mueller"s historical papers, which were quite voluminous (850,000 pages) were retrieved through the Freedom of Information Act. Who actually retrieved these documents is left somewhat vague by Makow, or my recollection may be somewhat limited. In any event, minor point... The main issue is that Makow says he reviewed these documents at the National Archives, and found them to be of considerable scholarly content. And the shere voluminous nature of this kind of scholarly documentation points far away from any type of forgery...

That would finally lead to the question: How and from whom were these supposedly secret papers obtained? Again, Makow is somewhat vague here. Makow says that Mueller's papers were left with a certain "Gregory Douglas." This name, according to Makow, is likely a pseudonym for Mueller's nephew, with whom he was known to have left his papers. How were these papers acquired from Mueller's nephew? Remember that Germany was under military occupation/rule and access to any archival information was unlimited by Allied forces. Or Mueller's nephew or family may have eventually released these important historical papers. In any event, they now apparently reside in the US National Archives (National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.archives.gov)). In closing, I will repeat an excerpt from Dr. Makow's article, cited in an earlier thread:

Is Mueller credible? In my opinion he is. Gregory Douglas apparently is a pseudonym for his nephew with whom he left his papers. Normally a hoax would not run to thousands of pages. The Interrogation is 800 pages. The Memoirs are 250 pages. The microfilmed Archive apparently covers 850,000 pages. Finally, the material I have read is incredibly well informed, consistant and full of plausible revelations.

Mrs. Angel

I am deeply sorry to have ruffled your feathers ... this is ordinarily not my way.... You're a big girl. You can take it. It comes with the turf...

Wheeeew!!! I'm done...

galexander
11-01-2009, 12:27 PM
Dr. Schreiber was head of the German Army Medical Corps, and in 1927, traveled to the US to meet with his American counterparts at a conference on germ warfare. At this conference, his American counterparts admitted their culpability in the Spanish Influenza outbreak of 1918.[/LEFT]

I accept that what you have raised Fahrenheit 912 is a quite credible story, at face value at least, and I am quite prepared to give credit where credit is due.

However I still have one or two reservations.

If I may.

Firstly if the American counterparts of Dr. Schreiber admitted to having released the Spanish Flu at a germ warfare conference then isn't that the same as making the information public? Of course if the information is made public then that means everyone else hears about it as well including, in theory at least, the CIA (eventually).

My second reservation is that all the documentation supporting this story goes back to just the one individual, Heinrich Mueller. How scholarly that documentation may be does not in any way necessarily reflect upon its authenticity.

Fahrenheit 912
11-01-2009, 01:17 PM
I accept that what you have raised Fahrenheit 912 is a quite credible story, at face value at least, and I am quite prepared to give credit where credit is due.

However I still have one or two reservations.

If I may.

Firstly if the American counterparts of Dr. Schreiber admitted to having released the Spanish Flu at a germ warfare conference then isn't that the same as making the information public? Of course if the information is made public then that means everyone else hears about it as well including, in theory at least, the CIA (eventually).

My second reservation is that all the documentation supporting this story goes back to just the one individual, Heinrich Mueller. How scholarly that documentation may be does not in any way necessarily reflect upon its authenticity.


Thanks. I've just written my way through two children and a divorce... Your turn Mrs. Angel (shudders)....

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 08:25 PM
LOL....superscript is when a character is typed in a smaller font just above the other text. Subscript is when this smaller type appears below the main text. This Sanjay cat obviously didnt bother getting a decent forum package because even the 2012ers have the capability.

Does it somehow make you feel superior to me by pretending that I don't know what superscript is, but you do?

I've looked around and I don't think this forum has a feature for superscript.

If it does, I can't find it.

You might want to try your keyboard.

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 08:40 PM
galexander said:

"The point is if the Nazi secret police knew about US use of biological weapons during WWI then the CIA would have known about it as well. As I have said the CIA would have been in on the cover up."

The point is that you are contradicting yourself.

Firstly, you say that the CIA didn't exist during WWI, which is correct and now you say that if the Nazi secret police knew about the US Army's use of biological weapons during WWI this would mean that the CIA would have known about it, as well, and been involved in the cover-up.

Secondly, you previously wondered aloud why it was necessary for the CIA to interrogate Muller wherein they obtained information about the Spanish Flu if they already knew about it.

But, you have acknowledged that the CIA did not exist during WWI.

I wonder if they water-boarded him?

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 09:26 PM
Mrs. Angel

I am deeply sorry to have ruffled your feathers ... this is ordinarily not my way.... You're a big girl. You can take it. It comes with the turf...


Wheeeew!!! I'm done...


You didn't ruffle my feathers and, even, if you did, no need to apologize.

I can take it.

I'm a big girl and it comes with the turf.

Excuse me for parting abruptly, but I must go click my heels together and recite three times that "There's no place like Home," so I can get back to Auntie Em.

I think you may have been relaxing on the couch too long with more than just a couple of beers.

:eek:

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 09:31 PM
Thanks. I've just written my way through two children and a divorce... Your turn Mrs. Angel (shudders)....

Just curious.

How does a comment of a couple of paragraphs on a conspiracy forum cause one to write their way through two children and a divorce?

It's not like you wrote a dissertation.

No need to shudder.

You're a big boy. You can take it. It comes with the turf.

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 11:10 PM
The OSS did not exist during WWI and neither did the CIA.

The Office of Strategic Services was established by a Presidential military order issued by President Roosevelt on 13 June 1942 during World War II.

Prior to the formation of the OSS (the counterpart of the British Secret Intelligence Service (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Secret_Intelligence_Service) and Special Operations Executive (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Special_Operations_Executive)), American intelligence had been conducted on an ad-hoc basis by the various departments of the executive branch, including the State (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States_Department_of_State), Treasury (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Treasury), Navy (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States_Department_of_the_Navy), and War (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States_Department_of_War) Departments.

The 1947 National Security Act established the CIA, affording it "no police or law enforcement functions, either at home or abroad".

BlueAngel
11-01-2009, 11:47 PM
Eire must be taking a much needed nap.

Afterall, he has been up for two days and two nights.

;)

BlueAngel
11-02-2009, 12:07 AM
Hey guys,

I sincerely wish you would do your homework before you post, because, quite frankly, I'm growing weary of having to do it for you.

Sincerely,
BA

galexander
11-02-2009, 11:49 AM
Please don't forget the Gestapo did not exist during WWI.

Does this not count as a glaring contradiction as well?

Fahrenheit 912
11-03-2009, 02:29 PM
Just curious.

How does a comment of a couple of paragraphs on a conspiracy forum cause one to write their way through two children and a divorce?

It's not like you wrote a dissertation.

No need to shudder.

You're a big boy. You can take it. It comes with the turf.


Mrs. Angel:

This is what is commonly known as "hyperbole" in English composition. You'll have to look it up...

Lord woman, you "shore is one scrappy li'l thang," as they say down South. You are persistance (squared), or persistence (cubed) even - sorry, no exponential function on this site..

Look, why don't you log off your computer for a while, go and read William Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying." I'm reading it again for the second time. The first time I read it I was only 19 years old and really couldn't appreciate it. Now that I'm older I can really appreciate it - it is truely a literary masterpiece. It is filled with every gut-wrenching emotion known to humanity, all expressed in Faulkner's own unique style. That being said, it is not an easy read. Faulkner writes the entire novel in the first person, as told by from the perspective of each individual character in the novel. It is also written, in large part, in a very archaic, rural Southern dialect that even I find hard to penetrate. Read it for content...., read it for feeling. You won't be disappointed....

The internet has its utility - I suppose. It shouldn't be a substitute for anything of worth in the world of literature - it doesn't even come close...

BlueAngel
11-03-2009, 09:40 PM
Please don't forget the Gestapo did not exist during WWI.

Does this not count as a glaring contradiction as well?

It would be helpful if you would quote who referenced the existence of the Gestapo during WWI and how this reference contradicts any of their previous comments so we can give credit where credit is due.

Thanks.

BlueAngel
11-03-2009, 09:50 PM
Mrs. Angel:

This is what is commonly known as "hyperbole" in English composition. You'll have to look it up...

Lord woman, you "shore is one scrappy li'l thang," as they say down South. You are persistance (squared), or persistence (cubed) even - sorry, no exponential function on this site..

Look, why don't you log off your computer for a while, go and read William Faulkner's "As I Lay Dying." I'm reading it again for the second time. The first time I read it I was only 19 years old and really couldn't appreciate it. Now that I'm older I can really appreciate it - it is truely a literary masterpiece. It is filled with every gut-wrenching emotion known to humanity, all expressed in Faulkner's own unique style. That being said, it is not an easy read. Faulkner writes the entire novel in the first person, as told by from the perspective of each individual character in the novel. It is also written, in large part, in a very archaic, rural Southern dialect that even I find hard to penetrate. Read it for content...., read it for feeling. You won't be disappointed....

The internet has its utility - I suppose. It shouldn't be a substitute for anything of worth in the world of literature - it doesn't even come close...

Oh, you were exaggerating.

LOL!

I thought you truly wrote your way through two children and a divorce and it wasn't just hyperbole.

My comment to you is what is commonly known in English composition as sarcasm.

You'll have to look it up.

I wonder why you would suggest that I log off my computer.

Is that because you are unable to contend with me?

You're a big boy.

You can take it.

It comes with the turf.

If you can't deal with me, just click your heels three times and repeat, "there's no place like home," and, soon, you'll be back in Kansas with TOTO and Auntie Em.

Lord man, you "shore is one scrappy li'l thang,"

Sorry, no exponential function on this site.

P.S. Hope you don't feel like you're laying around dying as you're laying around reading, "As I Lay Dying."

Fahrenheit 912
11-03-2009, 10:28 PM
Oh, you were exaggerating.

LOL!

I thought you truly wrote your way through two children and a divorce and it wasn't just hyperbole.

My comment to you is what is commonly known in English composition as sarcasm.

You'll have to look it up.

I wonder why you would suggest that I log off my computer.

Is that because you are unable to contend with me?

You're a big boy.

You can take it.

It comes with the turf.

If you can't deal with me, just click your heels three times and repeat, "there's no place like home," and, soon, you'll be back in Kansas with TOTO and Auntie Em.

Lord man, you "shore is one scrappy li'l thang,"

Sorry, no exponential function on this site.

P.S. Hope you don't feel like you're laying around dying as you're laying around reading, "As I Lay Dying."


Honey, get help before its too late....

BlueAngel
11-03-2009, 10:35 PM
Honey, get help before its too late.....

Too late for what?

Could you have posted a more lame response?

Don't think so.

You're "Running on Empty."

Fahrenheit 912
11-03-2009, 10:49 PM
Too late for what?

I think you're Running on Empty.


Just get help, honey, you're verging on a nervous breakdown...

BlueAngel
11-03-2009, 11:06 PM
Just get help, honey, you're verging on a nervous breakdown...

Oh, goodness, sweetie, thanks for telling me that I'm verging on a nervous breakdown.

If not for you, I never would have known it.

LOL!

I just told my husband of 27 years that Farenheit 912, a member of the internet Club Conspiracy forum, informed me that I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown.

Needless to say, my husband is very concerned and would appreciate it if you would PM your cell phone number to me so he can call and talk to you about my state of mind, because, apparently, you know me better than he does.

LOL!

Fahrenheit 912
11-04-2009, 01:37 AM
You're sick, honey, and you need help. Columbia Presbyterian Hospital is located up in your part of the country. They have an excellent Psych Department, one of the best in the country... Just get help. I won't be able to communicate with you again for the foreseeable future, just please get help...

Sincerely,
Fahrenheit 912

BlueAngel
11-04-2009, 05:37 PM
You're sick, honey, and you need help. Columbia Presbyterian Hospital is located up in your part of the country. They have an excellent Psych Department, one of the best in the country... Just get help. I won't be able to communicate with you again for the foreseeable future, just please get help...

Sincerely,
Fahrenheit 912

Obviously, you know that Columbia Presbyterian has an excellent Psych Department because you've been institutionalized there.

Are you feeling the urge to return due to your current situation of verging on a nervous break-down?

No problem.

Just remember, however, that once you check in, you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave.

EireEngineer
11-04-2009, 08:46 PM
Does it somehow make you feel superior to me by pretending that I don't know what superscript is, but you do?

I've looked around and I don't think this forum has a feature for superscript.

If it does, I can't find it.

You might want to try your keyboard.
Yeah, its obvious that this site was built without the capability. Your little line about the keyboard made me laugh though, since it proved my point about you not knowing what I am talking about. lol.

EireEngineer
11-04-2009, 08:48 PM
Does it somehow make you feel superior to me by pretending that I don't know what superscript is, but you do?

I've looked around and I don't think this forum has a feature for superscript.

If it does, I can't find it.

You might want to try your keyboard.
Yeah, its obvious that this site was built without the capability. Your little line about the keyboard made me laugh though, since it proved my point about you not knowing what I am talking about. lol. Thanks anyway

BlueAngel
11-04-2009, 10:46 PM
Yeah, its obvious that this site was built without the capability. Your little line about the keyboard made me laugh though, since it proved my point about you not knowing what I am talking about. lol. Thanks anyway

Apparently, you are in dire need of receving credit for proving a point no matter how irrelevant it is.

If it makes you feel as if you have done so by pretending that I don't know what superscript is, go ahead.

Truly, in the scope of all that matters to me that doesn't.

Again.

You might want to check with Gale, as I previously suggested.

It appears that he has mastered the superscript capability and, since it doesn't exist on this site, he might just be using his keyboard.

LOL!

EireEngineer
11-05-2009, 08:32 AM
Apparently, you are in dire need of receving credit for proving a point no matter how irrelevant it is.

If it makes you feel as if you have done so by pretending that I don't know what superscript is, go ahead.

Truly, in the scope of all that matters to me that doesn't.

Again.

You might want to check with Gale, as I previously suggested.

It appears that he has mastered the superscript capability and, since it doesn't exist on this site, he might just be using his keyboard.

LOL!
Thanks, I will, though I bet it has something to do with tedious mucking about in HTML. But we will see. As for the keyboard option, no, you cant do it that way. Thanks for the tip.

Out of the Box
11-05-2009, 08:46 AM
Some have claimed that German agents had sponsored Lenin.

"Jewish agents" would be more accurate. The Russian Revolution should be named the "Jewish Revolution" considering how overrepresented Jews were in the upper echelons of the communist movement during the early decades.

Anyway, I doubt the "Spanish flu" pandemic was a biological weapon. It's more likely a natural outcome of the horrid conditions of intensive trench warfare.

EireEngineer
11-05-2009, 10:03 AM
"Jewish agents" would be more accurate. The Russian Revolution should be named the "Jewish Revolution" considering how overrepresented Jews were in the upper echelons of the communist movement during the early decades.

Anyway, I doubt the "Spanish flu" pandemic was a biological weapon. It's more likely a natural outcome of the horrid conditions of intensive trench warfare.
The Germans did release him and send him back to Russia hoping that it would destabilize things there.

Out of the Box
11-05-2009, 10:46 AM
The Germans did release him and send him back to Russia

I thought it were the Warburgs (http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/melenin.html) who sent him to Russia?

And where did Germans release him from? I did a quick search of Lenin's background but couldn't find any data on Lenin having been locked up in Germany....

EireEngineer
11-05-2009, 12:10 PM
You are sort right, I shouldnt have used the word released.
"In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser, to aid in the disintegration of the Russian army and so eliminate Russia from World War I. The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff. Major General Hoffman has written, "We neither knew nor foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia."1 (http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/bolshevik_revolution/chapter_03.htm#1) At the highest level the German political officer who approved Lenin's journey to Russia was Chancellor Theobald von Bethmann-Hollweg, a descendant of the Frankfurt banking family Bethmann, which achieved great prosperity in the nineteenth century. Bethmann-Hollweg was appointed chancellor in 1909 and in November 1913 became the subject of the first vote of censure ever passed by the German Reichstag on a chancellor. It was Bethmann-Hollweg who in 1914 told the world that the German guarantee to Belgium was a mere "scrap of paper." Yet on other war matters — such as the use of unrestricted submarine warfare — Bethmann-Hollweg was ambivalent; in January 1917 he told the kaiser, "I can give Your Majesty neither my assent to the unrestricted submarine warfare nor my refusal." By 1917 Bethmann-Hollweg had lost the Reichstag's support and resigned — but not before approving transit of Bolshevik revolutionaries to Russia. The transit instructions from Bethmann-Hollweg went through the state secretary Arthur Zimmermann — who was immediately under Bethmann-Hollweg and who handled day-to-day operational details with the German ministers in both Bern and Copenhagen — to the German minister to Bern in early April 1917. The kaiser himself was not aware of the revolutionary movement until after Lenin had passed into Russia."

Out of the Box
11-05-2009, 02:56 PM
"In April 1917 Lenin and a party of 32 Russian revolutionaries, mostly Bolsheviks, journeyed by train from Switzerland across Germany through Sweden to Petrograd, Russia. They were on their way to join Leon Trotsky to "complete the revolution." Their trans-Germany transit was approved, facilitated, and financed by the German General Staff. Lenin's transit to Russia was part of a plan approved by the German Supreme Command, apparently not immediately known to the kaiser

Hmmm.... I wonder who did make the approval if the kaiser was unaware? Any names, perhaps?

What is your source for the claim that Lenin's trip was approved, facilitated and financed by authorisation of German Supreme Command?

The possibility that the Bolsheviks might be turned against Germany and Europe did not occur to the German General Staff.

Maybe the plan to assist Lenin did not come from people working in the best interest of Germany but people loyal to only their own people? There did seem to be some "court Jews" (as antisemites like to call them) drifting around in the slipstream of the Kaiser. As most Jews back then seemed to have been either Communist or Zionist (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17632310/200538-1920-Churchill-Zionism-Versus-Bolshevism) it doesn't seem too farfetched that the plan was at least set in motion by the "court Jews" who were looking out for their own people without regard for the German people. I can't prove this either way, but this was, at least, what Hitler must have thought of this event.

galexander
11-06-2009, 12:29 PM
As Remembrance Day is approaching I thought I would raise the following suggestion.

Perhaps we ought to remember those who lost their lives during the 1918 Flu Pandemic on Remembrance Day as well since their numbers at least match or are even greater than those who lost their lives in the actual fighting?

Does anyone else agree with this suggestion?

EireEngineer
11-06-2009, 12:47 PM
Sounds like a great idea to me!

galexander
11-09-2009, 11:45 AM
Sounds like a great idea to me!

Does this mean EireEngineer that you agree that the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu count as war dead?

EireEngineer
11-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Does this mean EireEngineer that you agree that the victims of the 1918 Spanish Flu count as war dead?
No, but remembering them just the same sounds like a good idea. As I said, it is possible, if unproven, that it could have been a warfare agent.

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