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Judoman427
11-11-2009, 02:26 PM
About 5 months ago I finnished doing my GCSE exams. In the too years it took, I realised how ridiculous the whole system is. In many subjects the teachers only taught what was needed to passes the tests. The stupid thing was that whenever an exam was coming up we just kept craming the ciriculum into our head, passed the exam and then forgot everything. I myself can't remember hardly anything we learnt for maths or science. This then poses the question of whether passing exams is about intelligence or about memory.

EireEngineer
11-11-2009, 03:34 PM
About 5 months ago I finnished doing my GCSE exams. In the too years it took, I realised how ridiculous the whole system is. In many subjects the teachers only taught what was needed to passes the tests. The stupid thing was that whenever an exam was coming up we just kept craming the ciriculum into our head, passed the exam and then forgot everything. I myself can't remember hardly anything we learnt for maths or science. This then poses the question of whether passing exams is about intelligence or about memory.
And obviously did not do too well in English either. I have to agree though, the monopoly of education is largely more about indoctrination of the students and maintaining the political power of the NEA, than actually teaching the children.

revolution60
11-11-2009, 06:27 PM
f*** the school system

your kids are better off and safer staying the hell out of those ridiculous operations

EireEngineer
11-11-2009, 09:27 PM
f*** the school system

your kids are better off and safer staying the hell out of those ridiculous operations
Got hyperbole?

albie
11-12-2009, 08:35 AM
What's the problem? if they taught you to read and write then you can go and learn whatever junk you want(off conspiracy forums) Stop whining and blaming the system for your own laziness and lack of self confidence.

People are constantly blaming the system. Have you ever thought that maybe God put the system in place to FORCE you to do it for yourself? Stop crying and go and do whatever it is David Icke or Alex Jones wants you to do. Buy their books and spout it all out again with not an ounce of critique etc. If you can do that then you have earned a conspiracy theory GCSE. Then you can become paranoid about EVERYTHING and that is your degree(throws masonic mortarboard hat into air)

albie
11-12-2009, 08:39 AM
School is there to teach the basics and to discover if you have potential to learn, if you want to. Memorising GCSE Biology for long enough to pass an exam shows a lot about you. Consider that a typical chav would struggle to find his colon with a colon map and a torch. Further education is where you find a career and really learn what you need to do that career.

What's the problem? You'll probably be selling drugs for a living anyway.

Judoman427
11-12-2009, 10:45 AM
What's the problem? if they taught you to read and write then you can go and learn whatever junk you want(off conspiracy forums) Stop whining and blaming the system for your own laziness and lack of self confidence.

People are constantly blaming the system. Have you ever thought that maybe God put the system in place to FORCE you to do it for yourself? Stop crying and go and do whatever it is David Icke or Alex Jones wants you to do. Buy their books and spout it I do actualyall out again with not an ounce of critique etc. If you can do that then you have earned a conspiracy theory GCSE. Then you can become paranoid about EVERYTHING and that is your degree(throws masonic mortarboard hat into air)

This isn't about me being lazy with no confidence. I got three A's and an A* for my maths and science, I worked my ass off to get those grades, so this isn't just me whining. I do actualy have a validv point.

Judoman427
11-12-2009, 10:47 AM
And no I won't be selling drugs for a living

revolution60
11-12-2009, 11:12 AM
And no I won't be selling drugs for a living


judoman dont even bother listening to albie

she has drank WAY too much Kool-aid all her life :)

she's probably some bitch little lawyer or something, or some other field that feeds off the unfortunate, and only thrives because the world is setup the way that it is.

you see unfortunately the people that are better off in life with fabulous careers, are really only stealing from everyone else. they see nothing wrong because they have never been on the bottom of the pyramid.

you see albie, can not get it through her little tiny pea sized, public schooled brain, that right now we can power the entire earth for free. have all the best cleanest food for everyone for free, and get housing and medical care to everyone on the planet, VERY EASILY.

she is a tool for their society, she attacks what she does not understand, because she has been programmed to all her life.

albie
11-13-2009, 04:15 AM
Don't listen to revolution, she is just angry because she was born short and fat and not good at stuff and poor. Any attack she can make against people who were lucky enough to have good rich parents she will make.

>>This isn't about me being lazy with no confidence. I got three A's and an A* for my maths and science, I worked my ass off to get those grades, so this isn't just me whining. I do actualy have a validv point.

Your point seems to be that you didn't give a shit about those subjects so you didn't make use of them and keep the knowlegde in your head. ANY knowledge will fall away if you don't use it. Even the hippy David Icke stuff you wish were taught, like channeling and taking lsd.

Or making dreamcatchers and wearing ethnic hats and having white man dreadlocks (why is it always ginger people who have them?)

Your argument is that you don't give a shit. Fine.

Judoman427
11-16-2009, 02:08 PM
Thanks Guys:)

Little0Kill
11-17-2009, 06:25 AM
I personally believe getting out there and working is a better option than going to school. Not only does school teach the same crap every year but it sugarcoats the real world. I couldn't believe it when i passed year 8 and 9 and i didnt even do any work. Not one bit.

I work a full day at work and learn more there about people skills than i do learning at school. The school system is Ridiculous and i agree with this opinon.

Sorry for my grammar as the school system has failed me :p

BlueAngel
11-17-2009, 11:49 PM
I personally believe getting out there and working is a better option than going to school. Not only does school teach the same crap every year but it sugarcoats the real world. I couldn't believe it when i passed year 8 and 9 and i didnt even do any work. Not one bit.

I work a full day at work and learn more there about people skills than i do learning at school. The school system is Ridiculous and i agree with this opinon.

Sorry for my grammar as the school system has failed me :p

As it does many.

Little0Kill
11-18-2009, 01:51 AM
ahaha

Vera
12-01-2009, 05:59 PM
I would say they did a poor job in teaching you proper English and grammar as well. Unfortunately, though, I do have to agree with you regarding the substance of your post. It seems anymore schools and teachers do not care about actually teaching and making sure their students actually know the subject to use in the future. I guess this is one reason I am wanting to teach at a university. I have seen so many people struggle in mathematics, when that subject is not really as difficult as most view it to be. It just takes a different way of looking at things for it to become more easy to understand. When I was tutoring at the college I was attending, my students would regularly thank me and recommend me to others because of how I explained the subject to them. I used real-world examples instead of just what they saw in a text book. Being able to relate what we are learning to our real lives and what the world is like is an exceptional way to remember what you are trying to learn.

MacPad
12-01-2009, 10:16 PM
My wife is a teacher, at an Alternative Learning Style school. It seems pretty cool to me that there are public schools out there that are trying to break the mold of conventional education, and wanted to share it with you. The way to help people retain information is not always the same with each student, so There are different ways that help each individual. The most common way that her school does this is by bridging all course areas. They make relationships from Math to Science, from Science to History, from History to ETC ETC. All areas of study eventually tie into one another, and by doing so you have established practical uses/proof that all are important. This maintains the students interest/and creates a more involved learning atmoshphere becuase the students can make these links from class to class.

To the point of getting out there and just working/learning something away from the school system, I can't complain about that approach. I feel as though that I was lucky though to have been as successful as I have been without a degree. It is something that i have regretted in the past, especially in the situations where you are looking for a new career, and have all the experience, but a Kid from Harper Community College got the job because he will only make 35K a year, and is College Edu-ma-cated

albie
12-02-2009, 09:20 AM
Most people end up working in crap jobs anyway. That's life. Most jobs are crap. End of. Why teach them how to do anything? teach them how to take a pay cut and like it! :p

But I AM Satan and my views come with a pinch of salt, thrown over your shoulder.

forex robot
12-17-2009, 11:53 AM
Amazing as always :)

Algebra
12-18-2009, 08:19 AM
I found the education system as a whole pointless. As long as you can read and write, Your then free to learn about any subject you feel passionate about. All the rest is useless unless your interested in a specific subject like maths or science for example.

I think we should be taught to read, write and some basic maths and then encouraged at a younger age to think seriously about what we want to achieve. Then under go an education in that direction.

People will willingly learn and remember stuff there interseted in. I dont believe you can put a grade on intelligence. People are good at different things. So to put everyone under the same umbrella. Then say your less intelligent because the person standing next to you can remember certain things, you cant is rediculouse. And once someone is labled as less intelligent.
They blindly believe it and so lose the desire to achieve. The whole things a shambles but what you gonna do?:confused:

Vera
12-18-2009, 11:48 AM
I would say one reason we do not do as you have suggested is because people will constantly change their minds regarding what they want to do with their lives, especially when they're children. Adults even change ideas on what they want to do. Therefore, school systems do not want to put out the money to teach specified and in-depth subjects to children that will change their mind the next year. I know, even once I was in college, I was still changing my mind regarding what I wanted to learn and become. While it makes sense to have them focus on what they really like and want to do, it would be quite expensive for the school systems to keep changing the curriculum every time a student changed his or her mind.



I found the education system as a whole pointless. As long as you can read and write, Your then free to learn about any subject you feel passionate about. All the rest is useless unless your interested in a specific subject like maths or science for example.

I think we should be taught to read, write and some basic maths and then encouraged at a younger age to think seriously about what we want to achieve. Then under go an education in that direction.

People will willingly learn and remember stuff there interseted in. I dont believe you can put a grade on intelligence. People are good at different things. So to put everyone under the same umbrella. Then say your less intelligent because the person standing next to you can remember certain things, you cant is rediculouse. And once someone is labled as less intelligent.
They blindly believe it and so lose the desire to achieve. The whole things a shambles but what you gonna do?:confused:

Algebra
12-18-2009, 12:14 PM
I would say one reason we do not do as you have suggested is because people will constantly change their minds regarding what they want to do with their lives, especially when they're children. Adults even change ideas on what they want to do. Therefore, school systems do not want to put out the money to teach specified and in-depth subjects to children that will change their mind the next year. I know, even once I was in college, I was still changing my mind regarding what I wanted to learn and become. While it makes sense to have them focus on what they really like and want to do, it would be quite expensive for the school systems to keep changing the curriculum every time a student changed his or her mind.


Yeah thats a fair point but what is it the current system is actually teaching people? Everything or Nothing? Like the original post said most of the stuff go's in one ear and out the other either because of information overload or lack of interest. That why teachers only teach whats on the tests, because theres not enough time to teach a whole subject.

Yes people will change their minds and want to try something new, but i think the majority of people would stick to something they enjoy. Especialy if say from the age of 14 you couple it wth work based experience cutting the ammount of time teachers are needed.

As for expense If you divide the secondry schools up in to variouse groups ie. Mathmatics and sciences. then have specialised departments within those schools. I dont think the cost would be a lot more than our current system. Any additional costs would also be out wayed by lower unemployment and less kids leaving school with nothing at all, both economicaly and socialy. It would be a great benifit. hyperthetically speaking of course. lol

Vera
12-19-2009, 12:45 PM
Oh, I definitely like the way t looks, in your idea. I wish I could have had schooling just like that. I agree all too often they teach what really isn't necessary or something that is truly uninteresting to a person, and, as a result, causes that person to either fail or just barely pass that course because of teh disinterest in it. As an example, during my elementary and secondary education, I took American history for five freaking years straight. This wasn't because I failed or anything like that. It was the way they had the curriculum arranged from 4th until 9th grade. IT SUCKED!!! I hate history, as a result. I love world history, culture, geography, etc., but I detest American history. I know it, but I don't give a damn anymore and it just won't come out when I want at times. I know many kids that experience that feeling with many different subjects. If we could make subjects more interesting, though, I don't think it'd be as much of a problem. In my freshman year of high school, once again taking American history, I actually aced that class because the instructor made class interesting instead of boring. When I tutored mathematics at college, I related the subject to everyday life. I made it more understandable by creating situations where math would be necessary in everyday life. It was wonderful seeing those light bulbs go off in their heads, having finally understood some difficult part of mathematics. Unfortunately, most teachers have become disinterested in the subjects they teach, which winds up leaking out to their students. *shakes head* We have too large of a teacher/student ratio in classrooms. We have too many expecting students to be passed on to the next grade, even though they have failed the class grade-wise, just because that student either has a disability or had "difficulties" in life that gave an excuse to not pass. Teachers don't want to rock the boat and actually do as is expected, teaching and either failing or passing each student as their work deems necessary. Now, I can see a bunch of people hollering at me for my comment on disabled students. I am not saying all disabled students should not be allowed to pass on further until they know the subject as regular students do, but I am saying they need to focus more on teaching than what they do with the disabled students. Anymore, it's like it's an acceptable practice to keep our disabled students "dumb." I understand instilling in these children that they should be able to accept themselves as they are, just as others should with them. Unfortunately, it seems they have taken that one step further, though, and do not feel the need to push those students to learn at maximum capacity.

What is my final word on this subject? The educational system, as a whole, has become extremely lazy.



Yeah thats a fair point but what is it the current system is actually teaching people? Everything or Nothing? Like the original post said most of the stuff go's in one ear and out the other either because of information overload or lack of interest. That why teachers only teach whats on the tests, because theres not enough time to teach a whole subject.

Yes people will change their minds and want to try something new, but i think the majority of people would stick to something they enjoy. Especialy if say from the age of 14 you couple it wth work based experience cutting the ammount of time teachers are needed.

As for expense If you divide the secondry schools up in to variouse groups ie. Mathmatics and sciences. then have specialised departments within those schools. I dont think the cost would be a lot more than our current system. Any additional costs would also be out wayed by lower unemployment and less kids leaving school with nothing at all, both economicaly and socialy. It would be a great benifit. hyperthetically speaking of course. lol

Algebra
12-19-2009, 01:50 PM
Yeah i hear you vera

It seems like doing things the easy way rather than the right way is now deep seeded in many government bodies. Not just the Education system.
Once again quantity beats quality, but this will ultimately have a knock on effect in the future when people cant even be bothered to teach any more because of experiences they had at school.

Lets just call it another loose thread in the fabric of society. All will be unraveled in the end. :(

Vera
12-22-2009, 12:07 PM
No doubt, and it really irritates me. I value a good education. I have stressed it in all of my children. All but one seems to love school, as a result. Unfortunately, though, without some force in the background, such as a parent, pushing good education and being a strong part in that part of a child's life, I do not forsee many children having a good opinion of school. They won't want to learn. All they will want to do is what many parents seem to push their children towards nowadays, which is television and video games. These are easy babysitters. Their children stay out of their way, if they have these available for their children. *shakes head* I guess I'm just a bit old-fashioned. I have always felt the best way to instill good practices in a child is by example. My boys know the routine with me. Come home from school and do schoolwork. If they have any questions, they know I will be more than willing to help them with their schoolwork. When they are done, I verify it. Then, they must go outside for at least an hour to play. I do not agree with video games, computers, or television as being a main part of a child's life. My boys know video games and computers (except for work that must be done on a computer for school) are weekend events, and definitely are not all-day events. Television, they can watch daily, but I make damn sure what they watch are programs of which I have approved for them to watch. I'm very much a part of what my children do. How else will we really know how they're doing in school, if we don't take an active role in their learning? As we already discussed, teachers are starting to become lazy and that will trickle down to our children, if we do not keep them going ourselves. This nation's attitude of "We are the almighty U.S. of A." is going to bite us all in the ass here soon. It's like many in society believe because we are Americans we don't need to do what most people should do in their lives...learn, work, pay bills, etc. *sighs*



Yeah i hear you vera

It seems like doing things the easy way rather than the right way is now deep seeded in many government bodies. Not just the Education system.
Once again quantity beats quality, but this will ultimately have a knock on effect in the future when people cant even be bothered to teach any more because of experiences they had at school.

Lets just call it another loose thread in the fabric of society. All will be unraveled in the end. :(

upagainstit
02-13-2010, 03:27 PM
The school system has never been about learning IMO.

It has always been about "working" us into society.

The school system and the work-a-day world is not the society we are worked
into by the schooling. Supposedly thought so prior to nowadays.

The society we are worked into is the society of one another. The established world around us, where we are (oul local area). This is all seen over by a hidden hand, above and beyond us, in here we are.

Our lives have already been decided BEFORE we are even aware of anything.
We live out our lives to the end of this lifetime, like they want.

Some of us will be free of them by the end of this lifetime. We don't get that
way by our own efforts though. "They" want us to see it like it's by our own
efforts but it's not. "They" are all over us, through and through. Past. Present
and Future. We will not likely be free of "them" anytime soon.

The "outcasts" of society are put out by "them".
"They" want us to see it's because of ourselves and people around us.
It's not. "They" are in complete control.
Not everybody "knows" this or will know it. Not everybody will believe it or
disbelieve it. The outcasts are paranoid, schizophrenic even megalomanian.
We don't get it from "ourselves". They turn us out that way, purposefully.
The known world around says it's all in our head.
I don't even have such "imagination" in myself.

kerry
02-15-2010, 03:54 PM
About 5 months ago I finnished doing my GCSE exams. In the too years it took, I realised how ridiculous the whole system is. In many subjects the teachers only taught what was needed to passes the tests. The stupid thing was that whenever an exam was coming up we just kept craming the ciriculum into our head, passed the exam and then forgot everything. I myself can't remember hardly anything we learnt for maths or science. This then poses the question of whether passing exams is about intelligence or about memory.

my god
here they complain they cant remember what they learn
and when i went to school 1950-1960 we dident have enought to learn