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galexander
01-27-2010, 05:32 AM
I know it has already been suggested that 9/11 happened because the US had its eye on building an oil pipeline as well as the oil itself and other natural resources in Afghanistan but the truth is most of the oil in southern Asia is located around the Caspian Sea and an extensive network of oil and gas pipelines already exist in the region. No, this isn't really sufficient reason for planning such an audacious hoax as 9/11.

So what else is there is Afghanistan apart from the oil?

What about the drugs?

Opium and hashish is basically all they grow in Afghanistan these days. And is it a coincidence that the Taliban banned and began eradicating the opium fields in the months prior to the event of 9/11? Before this action by the Taliban the country was producing 70% of the world's supply of opium. Now the Americans and their allies are in the country this has actually increased to 93%. And is it also a coincidence that the US joined forces with the Northern Alliance who opposed the opium ban and that Osama Bin Laden himself has been identified as a previous drugs trafficker while raising funds for the opposition against Russian occupation?

And what about the myriad of rumours of the involvement of the Mafia in US politics? It all falls rather too neatly in place.

The US has been somewhat lax in its drug eradication policy to date. In 2005 the US committed $780 million towards this end but what is this compared to the $100’s of billions the drugs trade generates in the US alone?

However despite of this commitment by the following year, 2006, opium production had actually increased in Afghanistan by some 59%. Indeed the chief of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime has stated that it would take some 20 years for the Afghan economy to properly adjust itself such that opium production can be completely phased out.

But this is nonsense surely? The US and its allies have gone to war against the same people who successfully eradicated the drug in 2001. The Taliban officially outlawed opium production in 2000 and by 2001 the eradication program had been largely a complete success. Indeed the United Nations Drugs Control Program (UNDCP) noted that in 2001 opium production in Afghanistan was insignificant having previously produced 70% of the world’s supply.

jane doe
01-28-2010, 09:36 AM
Would American military personnel or expatriots remaining in the region be responsible for crop management? Would missing billions be due to crop failures? Unless documentations reveal anything, it's basically a hypothesis. Interest hypothesis, and my imagination would carry on surmising a vietnamese man doing the work.

galexander
01-29-2010, 01:47 PM
Would American military personnel or expatriots remaining in the region be responsible for crop management? Would missing billions be due to crop failures? Unless documentations reveal anything, it's basically a hypothesis. Interest hypothesis, and my imagination would carry on surmising a vietnamese man doing the work.

I would recommend you read a copy of "The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade" by Alfred W. McCoy.

Interesting highlights include CIA complicity in setting up the notorious Golden Triangle. The CIA not only assisted opium growing expatriate Chinese intent on invading the now communist China but help in transporting the opium crops in their dedicated airlines 'Air America'. This is all documented and you can even watch a movie about it starring Mel Gibson.

Also covered is the amount of global governmental corruption in South East Asia during the Vietnam War such as South Vietnam and Thailand. The chief of police in Thailand happened to be the leading gangster and controlled all the drug smuggling, prostitution and extortion rackets.

In Marseille, the site of the notorious 'French Connection', the authorites looked the other way in thanks for services rendered by Corsican thugs on behalf of the French intelligence services on condition that the heroin made there was not sold in France.

This is actually what happens behind closed doors.

Truthbetold
02-01-2010, 05:47 PM
Cannonfire (http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/tom-delay-appointee-involved-in-drug.html)

this is interesting.

Wonder what the real intention is with likely to come war on _irak_ Iran .

The very idea of a armed peaceforce to bring peace is disturbing

galexander
02-04-2010, 01:16 PM
Cannonfire (http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/04/tom-delay-appointee-involved-in-drug.html)

this is interesting.

Wonder what the real intention is with likely to come war on irak.

The very idea of a armed peaceforce to bring peace is disturbing

I thought US troops were going to withdraw from Iraq by August 2010? I can't quite follow what you are saying.

As for the original invasion of Iraq post 9/11 I can only speculate it was opportunistic. However opium is now being grown in southern Iraq and real fears have been expressed by journalists that Iraq could become the next Afghanistan.

I don't know if that makes any sense?

Truthbetold
02-04-2010, 03:20 PM
I thought US troops were going to withdraw from Iraq by August 2010? I can't quite follow what you are saying.

As for the original invasion of Iraq post 9/11 I can only speculate it was opportunistic. However opium is now being grown in southern Iraq and real fears have been expressed by journalists that Iraq could become the next Afghanistan.

I don't know if that makes any sense?


I mistyped.. Iran.. ;)

and yeah I think oil and drugs where the real reason, If the US gov truly wanted to help people they would have destroyed the North Korean an Zimbawean goverment long ago

galexander
02-07-2010, 04:12 AM
I mistyped.. Iran.. ;)

and yeah I think oil and drugs where the real reason, If the US gov truly wanted to help people they would have destroyed the North Korean an Zimbawean goverment long ago

Precisely.

It is also an interesting coincidence that much of the drugs from Afghanistan come through its borders with Iran. Many Iranians have lost their lives fighting the illegal drug trade and the country receives absolutely no support from the West in this respect.

And check out the following website which makes the claim, "Iranian police officials maintain that drug production in Afghanistan has had a 40-fold increase since the US-led invasion of the country in 2001."

Iran says US, UK, Canada assist Afghan drug trade (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=116144&sectionid=351020101)

Truthbetold
02-07-2010, 07:45 AM
interesting link, I'll check it out

kerry
02-24-2010, 02:36 PM
I saw somewhere the 4 methods of conversion to islam.. One is talk another is scripture and the third is a warning.. The 4th is by the sword..
There was a tape played on the tv news a few years ago showing bin laden pointing to a page in there quran where it says to destroy the towers in the west and jihad on non believers. This was after 9/11
The mafia had a intrist in Afghanistan’s drugs which they had a cheeper price.
Bin laden did not like us occupation in somola. And the Taliban did not like us interfering with the drug business in Afghanistan.
These are just a few reasons for 9/11. But the real reason is jihad on christens. . Under the guise of the other reasons. Then when the usa retaliated terrorist say usa started a holey war. When the fact is they the terrorist needed a excuse to attack Christians without being accused of starting a holey war..
Yet the mafia may have liked what happened on 9/11 because of drugs being harder to get in the east. Or maybe had part in the 9/11 attack. My thinking is there had to be a partly inside job.
Look at the drug war going on at the Mexican border. This is what I see from 9/11 to now

Hemlocks
02-26-2010, 06:29 AM
THE WORD OF THE DAY IS...ZIONIST !

kerry
02-26-2010, 04:07 PM
oh... theres somthing i forgot in my last post
you see its like this. one day rushdie found out the quran has a satanic verse in it.. and knowledge of this spred world wide.. while muslems deny it. some say its as a last resort.. and thats another thing terrorist are pretty upset about. . the question is. was this found out around 1998-1999. befor 9/11. or after 9/11. if it was after it can be another reason for the 9/11 attack.. but oh well... one strike and there out

kerry
02-26-2010, 06:23 PM
I know it has already been suggested that 9/11 happened because the US had its eye on building an oil pipeline as well as the oil itself and other natural resources in Afghanistan but the truth is most of the oil in southern Asia is located around the Caspian Sea and an extensive network of oil and gas pipelines already exist in the region. No, this isn't really sufficient reason for planning such an audacious hoax as 9/11.

So what else is there is Afghanistan apart from the oil?

What about the drugs?

Opium and hashish is basically all they grow in Afghanistan these days. And is it a coincidence that the Taliban banned and began eradicating the opium fields in the months prior to the event of 9/11? Before this action by the Taliban the country was producing 70% of the world's supply of opium. Now the Americans and their allies are in the country this has actually increased to 93%. And is it also a coincidence that the US joined forces with the Northern Alliance who opposed the opium ban and that Osama Bin Laden himself has been identified as a previous drugs trafficker while raising funds for the opposition against Russian occupation?

And what about the myriad of rumours of the involvement of the Mafia in US politics? It all falls rather too neatly in place.

The US has been somewhat lax in its drug eradication policy to date. In 2005 the US committed $780 million towards this end but what is this compared to the $100’s of billions the drugs trade generates in the US alone?

However despite of this commitment by the following year, 2006, opium production had actually increased in Afghanistan by some 59%. Indeed the chief of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime has stated that it would take some 20 years for the Afghan economy to properly adjust itself such that opium production can be completely phased out.

But this is nonsense surely? The US and its allies have gone to war against the same people who successfully eradicated the drug in 2001. The Taliban officially outlawed opium production in 2000 and by 2001 the eradication program had been largely a complete success. Indeed the United Nations Drugs Control Program (UNDCP) noted that in 2001 opium production in Afghanistan was insignificant having previously produced 70% of the world’s supply.

talaban outlawing drugs what a hunk of crap
drugs was talabans main suport. selling it to any mafia that comes to afgan in there privet jets. dont waist your time posting devisionary topics for the ignorent to see.

galexander
02-27-2010, 05:40 AM
talaban outlawing drugs what a hunk of crap
drugs was talabans main suport. selling it to any mafia that comes to afgan in there privet jets. dont waist your time posting devisionary topics for the ignorent to see.

If what I said about the Taliban outlawing drugs was a 'hunk of crap' kerry then how do you explain the following link:

Taliban's Ban On Poppy A Success, U.S. Aides Say - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html?pagewanted=1)

You are the one kerry posting 'diversionary topics for the ignorant to see'.

And your spelling is appalling.

kerry
02-27-2010, 08:35 PM
what about that post of yours calling jews filthy and accusing them as having there own twrrorist website.
your about as smart as a bathroom door knob

galexander
02-28-2010, 06:20 AM
what about that post of yours calling jews filthy and accusing them as having there own twrrorist website.
your about as smart as a bathroom door knob

What post was this?

Please indicate where you saw this so I can pursue the matter further. If indeed such a post exists at all as I am not certain you are a reliable source based upon what you have said already.

Let me say I am not anti-Semitic and I certainly do not approve of libellous accusations aimed at persons who hold views that are different from the mainstream.

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 09:57 PM
The US and the world are controlled by many elements; the "rogue" CIA being one of them, but not the Mafia.

The Mafia works for the CIA.

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 10:01 PM
What post was this?

Please indicate where you saw this so I can pursue the matter further. If indeed such a post exists at all as I am not certain you are a reliable source based upon what you have said already.

Let me say I am not anti-Semitic and I certainly do not approve of libellous accusations aimed at persons who hold views that are different from the mainstream.

We don't know what post it is that Kerry references.

In fact, I don't see a post on this thread, at all, that claims that which Kerry has attributed to you.

So, that would indicate that Kerry is lying.

Strike one against Kerry.

galexander
03-02-2010, 12:15 PM
The US and the world are controlled by many elements; the "rogue" CIA being one of them, but not the Mafia.

The Mafia works for the CIA.

If the Mafia are working for the CIA then why does the CIA want so many people hooked up on heroin?

The other contradiction is why the harsh laws against drugs especially in the US?

As far as I am concerned corruption of government by drugs money fully and adequately explains the whole phenomena.

BlueAngel
03-02-2010, 12:21 PM
If the Mafia are working for the CIA then why does the CIA want so many people hooked up on heroin?

The other contradiction is why the harsh laws against drugs especially in the US?

As far as I am concerned corruption of government by drugs money fully and adequately explains the whole phenomena.

The Mafia sells drugs for the CIA and the CIA uses the dirty money to fund their black operations.

The CIA protects the Mafia to this end and for this benefit.

The CIA uses Mafia hit men.

Harsh drug laws are in place to make it appear that our government is looking out for the benefit of the people, but, in fact, they're locking people up for the most ridiculous drug charges and not busting the REAL DRUG PUSHERS who would be the CIA and the Mafia and all those who work for them and others, as well.

kerry
03-02-2010, 12:46 PM
this is about Conspiracy right?
well theres somthing i was wondering about for some time. ill try to make it understandable
when we get our pay check every week. soc and other tax is taken out right?.. what tax.. im thinking that we gat taxed for our retirement then when we retire out retirement checks are taxed and theres a deduction for that. are we or are we not being taxed twice for the same thing after the fact. like taxing our retirement when we collect it after our tax paid towards our retirement befor we retire.

galexander
03-02-2010, 01:14 PM
The Mafia sells drugs for the CIA and the CIA uses the dirty money to fund their black operations.

The CIA protects the Mafia to this end and for this benefit.

The CIA uses Mafia hit men.

Harsh drug laws are in place to make it appear that our government is looking out for the benefit of the people, but, in fact, they're locking people up for the most ridiculous drug charges and not busting the REAL DRUG PUSHERS who would be the CIA and the Mafia and all those who work for them and others, as well.

So the CIA is using drugs money to fund its black operations?

It does this because the black operations are so illegal the CIA could not obtain legitimate government funding for them.

But that is not the same thing as saying the Mafia are working for the CIA. Its completely different.

Its like saying because the CIA sometimes uses the illegal arms trade to fund its black operations all illegal gun runners are therefore working for the CIA.

The logic is faulty.

BlueAngel
03-03-2010, 10:20 PM
So the CIA is using drugs money to fund its black operations?

It does this because the black operations are so illegal the CIA could not obtain legitimate government funding for them.

But that is not the same thing as saying the Mafia are working for the CIA. Its completely different.

Its like saying because the CIA sometimes uses the illegal arms trade to fund its black operations all illegal gun runners are therefore working for the CIA.

The logic is faulty.

Exactly.

There is an element within the CIA that is considered "rogue" and, for this reason, they cannot obtain legitimate government funding for their black operations because these operations are illegal and immoral.

They are not a part of the government, if you will.

Completely separate.

Hence, the word, "rogue."

The MAFIA runs drugs for the CIA and this helps to fund the "rogue" CIA's black operations not to mention their profits from protecting the MAFIA and their child pornography industry and otherwise.

Therefore, the MAFIA works for the CIA and the CIA protects the MAFIA and the drug lords.

When I say this, I am not inferring that every single person who is a Mafioso works for the CIA.

I am saying that your assertion that 911 proves the US is run by the Mafia is based upon faulty logic.

galexander
03-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Exactly.

There is an element within the CIA that is considered "rogue" and, for this reason, they cannot obtain legitimate government funding for their black operations because these operations are illegal and immoral.

They are not a part of the government, if you will.

Completely separate.

Hence, the word, "rogue."

The MAFIA runs drugs for the CIA and this helps to fund the "rogue" CIA's black operations not to mention their profits from protecting the MAFIA and their child pornography industry and otherwise.

Therefore, the MAFIA works for the CIA and the CIA protects the MAFIA and the drug lords.

When I say this, I am not inferring that every single person who is a Mafioso works for the CIA.

I am saying that your assertion that 911 proves the US is run by the Mafia is based upon faulty logic.

I am far happier with this last scenario as you have defined it.

However I appreciate these questions may seem a bit academic at times.

I am also sure that the true situation is most likely in need of further study.

Unfortunately I feel your last comment is simply bickering:

I am saying that your assertion that 911 proves the US is run by the Mafia is based upon faulty logic.

Of course following your own brand of logic 9/11 would prove that the US is not run by the Mafia BUT BY THE CIA!!!!!!

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 04:57 PM
I am far happier with this last scenario as you have defined it.

However I appreciate these questions may seem a bit academic at times.

I am also sure that the true situation is most likely in need of further study.

Unfortunately I feel your last comment is simply bickering:



Of course following your own brand of logic 9/11 would prove that the US is not run by the Mafia BUT BY THE CIA!!!!!!

You said the same, however, I didn't accuse you of bickering.

:)

I didn't suggest that 911 proves that the US is run by the CIA.

I was simply commenting on your suggestion that the US is run by the Mafia.

Making my point that the Mafia works for the CIA.

911 involved many different elements.

The CIA being one of them.

galexander
03-05-2010, 01:52 PM
You said the same, however, I didn't accuse you of bickering.

:)

I didn't suggest that 911 proves that the US is run by the CIA.

I was simply commenting on your suggestion that the US is run by the Mafia.

Making my point that the Mafia works for the CIA.

911 involved many different elements.

The CIA being one of them.

Okay. So assuming that the Mafia did work for the CIA, what interest has the CIA in drug pushing, prostitution, extortion, illegal gambling?

Presumably they are only interested in the money, to fund their 'black ops'.

But how extensive are these black ops exactly?

They must be pretty extensive in order to spend the 100's of billions of dollars the Mafia must be worth in the US.

What I am suggesting, and is a situation which is completely different from your own suggestion, is that the politics of the CIA have been perverted by both Nazi and Mafia influence.

The CIA was founded after WWII and certain Nazi intelligence operatives were central to the organisation's shaping.

Could this explain the CIA's virulent anti-communism?

Also communist China's banning of opium at the end of the 1950's having been the single biggest producer, appears to have set off the US's South East Asia anti-communist crusade.

In the real world, I claim, there is never one single answer that explains absolutely everything. What is actually the case are a number of influences coming together and moulding the subject under discussion.

BlueAngel
03-05-2010, 05:09 PM
Okay. So assuming that the Mafia did work for the CIA, what interest has the CIA in drug pushing, prostitution, extortion, illegal gambling?

Presumably they are only interested in the money, to fund their 'black ops'.

But how extensive are these black ops exactly?

They must be pretty extensive in order to spend the 100's of billions of dollars the Mafia must be worth in the US.

What I am suggesting, and is a situation which is completely different from your own suggestion, is that the politics of the CIA have been perverted by both Nazi and Mafia influence.

The CIA was founded after WWII and certain Nazi intelligence operatives were central to the organisation's shaping.

Could this explain the CIA's virulent anti-communism?

Also communist China's banning of opium at the end of the 1950's having been the single biggest producer, appears to have set off the US's South East Asia anti-communist crusade.

In the real world, I claim, there is never one single answer that explains absolutely everything. What is actually the case are a number of influences coming together and moulding the subject under discussion.

The black operations of the CIA are quite extensive.

Funding and training terrorists, etc.

The CIA wasn't perverted by Nazi and Mafia influence.

The CIA gave safe-haven to Nazi scientists in America after WWII of their own free will.

It had nothing to do with the Nazi's perverting them.

The CIA brought Nazi "war criminals" to America and sold them to the public as "rocket scientists."

The CIA was interested in their "mind control" knowledge as evidenced by programs that the CIA instituted such as Bluebird; MKULTRA; Project Monarch, etc. after the end of WWII when they employed these Nazi scientists to continue their research on American citizens in institutions, prisons, orphanages, etc.

The Mafia didn't influence the CIA, either.

The CIA protects the Mafia in order to receive compensation from their lucrative pornography and illegal drug business as well as having access to their hit men.

Nice talking to you gale.

galexander
03-06-2010, 08:30 AM
The CIA gave safe-haven to Nazi scientists in America after WWII of their own free will.

It had nothing to do with the Nazi's perverting them.

Why are you so quick to give the Nazi scientists a clean bill of health but not the CIA?

Is it because scientists have the reputation of being reliable, cold sober-minded people?

And why do you assume the Mafia aren't able to corrupt the CIA? Presumably they aren't clever enough?

You don't have to be that clever or even that stupid to offer or accept a bribe.

BlueAngel
03-07-2010, 10:35 PM
Why are you so quick to give the Nazi scientists a clean bill of health but not the CIA?

Is it because scientists have the reputation of being reliable, cold sober-minded people?

And why do you assume the Mafia aren't able to corrupt the CIA? Presumably they aren't clever enough?

You don't have to be that clever or even that stupid to offer or accept a bribe.

Sorry, but I've never given the Nazi's a clean bill of health and I have no clue why you would think that I have.

The Mafia and the CIA are equally corrupt.

They don't need one or the other to aid in their corruption.

galexander
04-01-2010, 01:21 PM
I thought it worth adding that 50% of the 100 of billions organised crime earns each year is paid as bribes to officials.

Wherever their is organised crime there is corruption. They go together like hand and glove.

kerry
04-04-2010, 11:04 AM
9/11 prooves islam is created by a murderor who kills all and any that dont accept his sick doctering. the only reason islam exists is because the ones that refused it are dead. mohomo and company picked on the wrong ones this time

iHIMself™
04-04-2010, 07:16 PM
Is this 'conspiracy forum', or 'hey, it can't possibly be a conspiracy forum'?

Some of these comments make me giggle.

The US is NOT run by the Mafia. The US is not even run by the US.

It is a GLOBAL conspiracy. Donot forget Spain, London, Bali, and a host of attrocities all over the world, in the name of TERRORISM. Not nice to be conceited.

The mafia is no doubt being used, but itself, is fractured. There is no one DON of the Mafia. So don't speak of it as if it were an entity of its own.

Wasn't Hong Kong captured for the Opium trade? Do you think Pablo Escobar was a 'rogue' producer of cocain that needed to be eliminated?

The war on drugs is about destroying the small business man from the trade. Not about caring for our children, eradicating epidemics. In matter of fact, the creators of epidemics, such as cocain and heroin, are none other than the governments that claim to be fighting it.

It is a HUUGE industry, that has lasted at least 200 years.

The best drugs are free, and any small trip to south america will confirm this. But they are working on it.

galexander
04-05-2010, 07:39 AM
Is this 'conspiracy forum', or 'hey, it can't possibly be a conspiracy forum'?

Some of these comments make me giggle.

The US is NOT run by the Mafia. The US is not even run by the US.

It is a GLOBAL conspiracy. Donot forget Spain, London, Bali, and a host of attrocities all over the world, in the name of TERRORISM. Not nice to be conceited.

The mafia is no doubt being used, but itself, is fractured. There is no one DON of the Mafia. So don't speak of it as if it were an entity of its own.

Wasn't Hong Kong captured for the Opium trade? Do you think Pablo Escobar was a 'rogue' producer of cocain that needed to be eliminated?

The war on drugs is about destroying the small business man from the trade. Not about caring for our children, eradicating epidemics. In matter of fact, the creators of epidemics, such as cocain and heroin, are none other than the governments that claim to be fighting it.

It is a HUUGE industry, that has lasted at least 200 years.

The best drugs are free, and any small trip to south america will confirm this. But they are working on it.

I would like to point out that the Spain, London and Bali bombings don't in fact prove by themselves that the US isn't run by the Mafia.

The suggestion is that perhaps the issue of corruption is not just confined to the US alone.

I'd just like to get the logic right.

kerry
04-05-2010, 07:05 PM
i am the very lasst one to say this.. and then i wont say it.. but i have to because america is the best place.. the mafia is allowed to operate in america as long as they have a busines and pay tax. im not sure if our uncle sam uses them for somthing or not..
this is the same thing as a scab.. when you have a scab on your arm after a injury.. you cant cu it or pull it off. it has to fall off on its own.. this is how weare stuck withy the mafia.. anyway.. i think its time for the people to takke over.. the dish washer..the land scaper...the mail man.. the unemplowed.. the rich...the poor.. we can make america better.

iHIMself™
04-06-2010, 04:46 AM
Yes, and the President is really the most powerful man in America. Pfft.

The mafia represent the dogs on the streets.

They were great help during WWII to stop the Nazi's gaining intelligence from the ports of new york.

Lest we forget, it was the Mafia, not the government, that provided soup kitchens to the poor during the great depression, that as we know today, was an orchestrated event to aggregate the administered wealth of the population into a few hands.

The Mafia, or more realistically, these organised famiLIES are the closest thing to the potential of people's power as we can get.

I doubt any Don, is part of the Bilderberg group.

iHIMself™
04-06-2010, 04:59 AM
I would like to point out that the Spain, London and Bali bombings don't in fact prove by themselves that the US isn't run by the Mafia.

The suggestion is that perhaps the issue of corruption is not just confined to the US alone.

I'd just like to get the logic right.

It is a GLOBAL conspiracy. Let me shoot your idea of America down in flames, because you seem to cherish Uncle Sam as if it were really your uncle.

America.....was BUILT by foreign money. You may claim to be American, but you are a descendent of some, most likely, European country. Just don't seem to have the respect or decency to acknowledge it. I do.

American independence, was about the abolishment of foreign taxes. Paid to Britain, obviously. Our war of independence did NOT end, until the acceptance of a FEDERAL bank. Notably, independent of American control.

You see, we were NEVER really independent. Our nation is used as a front for the global elite, who do not, and rightly so, attribute themselves to ANY nation. At least not so much as you would to your home State, City, Town, Street, or whatever.

America.....was BUILT by foreign money, and is OWNED to this day, by foreign money, and the only reason you feel saddened by this, is because you're ignorant of it.

The fact you persist in believing the Mafia is so powerful as to control an entire nation that was built, and is still owned, by a conglomerate of foreign wealth and power beyond measure, is quite hilarious indeed.

jane doe
04-06-2010, 09:23 AM
What people/governments allow in the self, they allow in others. Thus Political leaders allow the mafia to operate, as they allow themself. Neither is noble.

kerry
04-06-2010, 11:31 AM
It is a GLOBAL conspiracy. Let me shoot your idea of America down in flames, because you seem to cherish Uncle Sam as if it were really your uncle.

America.....was BUILT by foreign money. You may claim to be American, but you are a descendent of some, most likely, European country. Just don't seem to have the respect or decency to acknowledge it. I do.

American independence, was about the abolishment of foreign taxes. Paid to Britain, obviously. Our war of independence did NOT end, until the acceptance of a FEDERAL bank. Notably, independent of American control.

You see, we were NEVER really independent. Our nation is used as a front for the global elite, who do not, and rightly so, attribute themselves to ANY nation. At least not so much as you would to your home State, City, Town, Street, or whatever.

America.....was BUILT by foreign money, and is OWNED to this day, by foreign money, and the only reason you feel saddened by this, is because you're ignorant of it.

The fact you persist in believing the Mafia is so powerful as to control an entire nation that was built, and is still owned, by a conglomerate of foreign wealth and power beyond measure, is quite hilarious indeed.


fiest. i denounce the mafia. and the way they are allowed to exist in america.
next. america is a place where we came to. from all parts of the globe. to be free of unfair tax. and prosacutions of all kinds that opose the freedoms of a way of life. and to be free of a dictatorship. which will never exist in america. read the history about imagrents who some even died in the boat trying to come and become american. durin that time there was no freedom execpt in the new land of america. the british when they invaded. in a attempt to create a dictatorship in the new land. faild. as the spanish american war allso faild. the key word here is freedom. to choose without the influence of dictatoeship nations, and all they own is the money they made in the american markit. they even own companys in america. which our freedoms allow them to do. anything they own in america is the results of this. if there was no america it would be just another place with unfair tax and opression of liberity. another thing that will never exist in america. if without this they would only own another infection of high tax opression and depression. with no rights to choose ones own way. if you want this dont look for it in the usa. you wont find it

galexander
04-07-2010, 03:16 PM
i am the very lasst one to say this.. and then i wont say it.. but i have to because america is the best place.. the mafia is allowed to operate in america as long as they have a busines and pay tax. im not sure if our uncle sam uses them for somthing or not..
this is the same thing as a scab.. when you have a scab on your arm after a injury.. you cant cu it or pull it off. it has to fall off on its own.. this is how weare stuck withy the mafia.. anyway.. i think its time for the people to takke over.. the dish washer..the land scaper...the mail man.. the unemplowed.. the rich...the poor.. we can make america better.

So the Mafia pays tax does it?

Since when?

What's more likely is it pays good bribes!

iHIMself™
04-08-2010, 10:21 AM
fiest. i denounce the mafia. and the way they are allowed to exist in america.
next. america is a place where we came to. from all parts of the globe. to be free of unfair tax. and prosacutions of all kinds that opose the freedoms of a way of life. and to be free of a dictatorship. which will never exist in america. read the history about imagrents who some even died in the boat trying to come and become american. durin that time there was no freedom execpt in the new land of america. the british when they invaded. in a attempt to create a dictatorship in the new land. faild. as the spanish american war allso faild. the key word here is freedom. to choose without the influence of dictatoeship nations, and all they own is the money they made in the american markit. they even own companys in america. which our freedoms allow them to do. anything they own in america is the results of this. if there was no america it would be just another place with unfair tax and opression of liberity. another thing that will never exist in america. if without this they would only own another infection of high tax opression and depression. with no rights to choose ones own way. if you want this dont look for it in the usa. you wont find it

Yes, our freedoms allow them to do it. OMG. Anything they own in America is the result of this. Sigh.

Lala Land.

British revolution 1688
French Revolution 1788
Greek Independence 1829
Russian Revolution 1917
Spanish Revolution 1936

But these monumental achievements by the people meant nothing for freedom from oppression. It is American Sovereignty that matters most.

Oh, and those darn mafia. Controlling the country. Did they play any role in our sovereignty?? I bet they did.

When will we ever get over ourselves.

This is a GLOBAL conspiracy.

kerry
04-08-2010, 07:59 PM
yes we have American Sovereignty. because we ARe Sovereignty
where do you get off with that shit i have 5 uncles that are lost because of ww2 and hitlers dreem of sovereignty and i am tired of you wanna bees crying about what uncle sam dont do for you you got a job your in america you got a life at the cost of my uncles lives. and if you dont you still got a freeking life because in america no one goes hungry. (NO ONE)

iHIMself™
04-09-2010, 04:20 AM
Wow. Uncles, you must be old as shit. I lost 2 uncles in Vietnam. But that don't mean I will defend that war now does it?

Where do you get off defending sovereignty, when the evidence CLEARLY shows, we have NONE. Your freedom is an illusion. So don't give me that I lost uncles in the war for sovereignty rubbish. We joined WWII for monetary GAIN, not freedom. To ensure Royal, aristocratic dominance over the world, not freedom. And how can you say NO ONE starves in America? Ive seen the same bums since I was a kid out there. So snap out of it, grow some balls, and take verbal vengeance on those who led your uncles to their death in vain. We have lost more freedoms since that war and it continues with the so-called war on terror. Our kids dying for what? And you have the gall to defend it? Shame on you.

I was just pointing out this is a GLOBAL conspiracy, not the mafia taking this country over. We were built by foreign money, we fought foreign wars for money, and our economy is still dictated by foreign interests. But no, the mafia has taken over. Go back to sleep. There's people in here trying to think.

galexander
04-11-2010, 08:56 AM
I think one reason people have a difficulty in general with the subject of organised crime, and this is in addition to the fear that these gangs could victimize yourself as well, is that organized crime is often associated with a specific 'culture'.

In the society we live in today we have all been conditioned not to criticize cultures we do not specifically belong to ourselves.

I was reading a book on organized crime the other day by Alan Block, a professor of law at the Penn State University, "East Side - West Side: Organizing Crime in New York", and he uses the terms 'society' and 'culture' in relation to the organized crime phenomena but unfortunately doesn't give further explanation.

One interpretation is that the criminal culture at times also represents a 'subculture' which is therefore a counter trend to conservative and liberal mainstream society.

Look at the music industry for example which must represent the epitome of youth culture/counter culture. How many songs in the charts at the moment can you think of whose lyrics are riddled with innuendos suggesting that 'ganstas is cool!' or appear to be almost openly advertising the sex industry or drug use?

And this is the very same music our kids are listening to, the generation of the future.

Many of the Mafia bosses were cool dudes in their youthful days complete with cool shades, fast women and living the very same lifestyle idealized by the music industry.

But arguably it isn't just the music industry that is to blame but the film industry as well.

The rich profits organised crime rakes in each year usually ends up being laundered and invested in legitimate concerns. The popular story is that of the nightclub owner who invested the proceeds of a bank robbery in buying his club. In the East it is rumoured that the film industry in China is more or less completely controlled by the Triads. So the next time you watch that martial arts film.........

Could this be the culture Alan Block was referring to?

But to what extent does this 'culture' interface with what has been termed 'American Culture'?

Has American Culture itself been shaped by organised crime and hence the Mafia?

kerry
04-12-2010, 12:04 PM
there is no such thing as Organizing Crime because crime is not a Organization. ant it is not a culture. what it is .. is a criminal conspireacy to commit crime. what ever books you seen that white wash what the mafia realy is copy pok. they are liers-murderors-corruption-tyhey are nuthing but common criminals.. and i sead that to there face. and i spit on them. they are cowards and a parrasite on nthe leegal system. the usa can live without them.

galexander
04-12-2010, 12:27 PM
there is no such thing as Organizing Crime because crime is not a Organization. ant it is not a culture. what it is .. is a criminal conspireacy to commit crime. what ever books you seen that white wash what the mafia realy is copy pok. they are liers-murderors-corruption-tyhey are nuthing but common criminals.. and i sead that to there face. and i spit on them. they are cowards and a parrasite on nthe leegal system. the usa can live without them.

Okay, fair enough kerry.

But what about the money laundering?

What about the legitimate businesses run by the Mafia bosses they invested their money in?

Do they have no say in the matter of how their enterprises are run?

For an organisation that in the past has routinely manipulated US trade union organisations for its own gain, why is it they can't manipulate the world of business through the corporations they own?

For me one thing must surely follow the other.

kerry
04-12-2010, 08:24 PM
9/11 prooves islamic terrorist are shit who follow a false belief.

jane doe
04-12-2010, 09:44 PM
9/11 prooves islamic terrorist are shit who follow a false belief.


9/11 proves ass holes with knowledge can change the world.

9/11 proves idiots with knowledge can change the world.

9/11 proves humanity without knowledge cannot change the world.

9/11 proves humanity with knowledge can create false beliefs.

BlueAngel
04-12-2010, 09:49 PM
9/11 prooves islamic terrorist are shit who follow a false belief.

911 proves that the CIA are "SH*T" who used their TERRORIST CELL, Al Qaeda, to perpetrate a terrorist act upon the American people.

galexander
04-13-2010, 12:50 PM
911 proves that the CIA are "SH*T" who used their TERRORIST CELL, Al Qaeda, to perpetrate a terrorist act upon the American people.

How can you be so certain BlueAngel that the CIA aren't in the pockets of the Mafia as well?

iHIMself™
04-14-2010, 04:19 AM
How can you be so certain BlueAngel that the CIA aren't in the pockets of the Mafia as well?

I think it's the other way around. I WISH the CIA had the interests of America at heart, I really do. But they don't. They are working hard to uphold the interests of extremely powerful groups that have ALWAYS been in power...throughout the WORLD.

I think, next person who comes in and says that the mafia is controlling the government is gonna get a swipe of my big ass mallet.

jane doe
04-14-2010, 09:35 AM
It is a tragedy, a change, an ending of ideals, a downfall, regardless of whether democracy is led by idealisms of corporatism, or whether corporatism uses the mafia to control democracy, whether democracy has replaced god with financial manipulation, or whether god has been manipulated to death.

galexander
04-14-2010, 01:26 PM
I think it's the other way around. I WISH the CIA had the interests of America at heart, I really do. But they don't. They are working hard to uphold the interests of extremely powerful groups that have ALWAYS been in power...throughout the WORLD.

I think, next person who comes in and says that the mafia is controlling the government is gonna get a swipe of my big ass mallet.

I detect that we are having a problem here with what is known as 'different schools of thought'.

I don't deny that the CIA and the larger US government are corrupt in their own right but surely you can't leave organised crime out of the equation entirely?

For example I heard the other day that China now owns, via US Treasury Bonds, 40% of US soil outright and the Arabs 20%. Its seems that with a dwindling manufacturing industry the States is now officially a 'consumer economy' and Bush publicly invited its citizens to go shopping as much as they liked!

But who is footing the bill? Is this huge shopping bill being paid by US Treasury Bonds?

But the snag is will the US ever honour these bonds.......?

Make your guess now.........!

BlueAngel
04-14-2010, 11:32 PM
The MAFIA DOES NOT control the government.

I have already explained how the MAFIA and CIA work together within this thread.

No need to repeat myself.

The Mafia is an ORGANIZED CRIME entity

The "rogue" CIA; the Military Industrial Complex and the Banksters control our government and pretty much the rest of the world.

They're organized crime entities, as well.

Period.

Our Presidents and many members of Congress are puppets who are used to appease the citizens of our country while these corrupt entities continue with their "dirty work" in front of our eyes.

BlueAngel
04-14-2010, 11:37 PM
How can you be so certain BlueAngel that the CIA aren't in the pockets of the Mafia as well?

Try reading your own thread.

I never said that the CIA aren't in the pockets of the Mafia.

They're both in each other's pockets.

Of that I'm certain, because, you see, I was, as a child, a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch, a CIA funded mind control program and was forced to partake in MAFIA/CIA pornography.

In addition, I was used to sexually blackmail CERTAIN politicians who, as I speak, are in power.

Of that I'm certain, as well.

Any more questions?

BlueAngel
04-15-2010, 01:38 AM
there is no such thing as Organizing Crime because crime is not a Organization. ant it is not a culture. what it is .. is a criminal conspireacy to commit crime. what ever books you seen that white wash what the mafia realy is copy pok. they are liers-murderors-corruption-tyhey are nuthing but common criminals.. and i sead that to there face. and i spit on them. they are cowards and a parrasite on nthe leegal system. the usa can live without them.

The Mafia and the CIA are criminal organizations.

Therefore, they are ORGANIZED crime so you would be wrong in stating that there is no such thing as organized crime.

For goodnessakes, neigborhood gangs are organized crime.

Try picking up Websters and looking up the definition for ORGANIZED and/or CRIME.

Thank you.

P.S. There. Now I'm speaking to you because I can no longer read your inaccuracies without correcting them.

BlueAngel
04-15-2010, 02:11 AM
Bump!

galexander
04-15-2010, 01:22 PM
Try reading your own thread.

I never said that the CIA aren't in the pockets of the Mafia.

They're both in each other's pockets.

Of that I'm certain, because, you see, I was, as a child, a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch, a CIA funded mind control program and was forced to partake in MAFIA/CIA pornography.

In addition, I was used to sexually blackmail CERTAIN politicians who, as I speak, are in power.

Of that I'm certain, as well.

Any more questions?

I don't wish to seem that I am trying to pull apart what you have claimed, but didn't you earlier on claim that you weren't actually a victim of MK Ultra in a previous discussion when I had used this very name?

I seem to recall you did.

Also as a victim of a severe trauma how can you be certain that it was actually a CIA funded mind control program that you were a victim of?

Further I would like to question what the motives of these people (the CIA) actually are if they are using child porngraphy to compromise politicians?

Surely this represents a criminal conspiracy against the government rather than a form of state sponsored coercion?

BlueAngel
04-15-2010, 05:20 PM
I don't wish to seem that I am trying to pull apart what you have claimed, but didn't you earlier on claim that you weren't actually a victim of MK Ultra in a previous discussion when I had used this very name?

I seem to recall you did.

Also as a victim of a severe trauma how can you be certain that it was actually a CIA funded mind control program that you were a victim of?

Further I would like to question what the motives of these people (the CIA) actually are if they are using child pornography to compromise politicians?

Surely this represents a criminal conspiracy against the government rather than a form of state sponsored coercion?

I have never claimed that I WASN'T a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

My proclamation to this end is posted all over this forum.

Please quote wherein I stated on this forum that I wasn't a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch or refrain from saying that I said it.

The CIA funded the mind control programs.

That's how I'm certain that I was a victim of a CIA mind control program.

Compromising politicians is a CONTROL mechanism.

This is how they have many of them in their pockets.

Yes.

This represents a criminal conspiracy by the "rogue" CIA, but not just against the government.

Against those of us who were forced to partake in child pornography and used to "sexually" blackmail politicians.

Experimenting on a human is a criminal act, as well.

These are a few of the immoral acts perpetrated upon those of us who were incarcerated in the CIA funded mind control programs.

As I've repeated ad nauseam all over this forum, the CIA is an ORGANIZED criminal entity.

galexander
04-16-2010, 02:33 PM
I have never claimed that I WASN'T a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

My proclamation to this end is posted all over this forum.

Please quote wherein I stated on this forum that I wasn't a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch or refrain from saying that I said it.

The CIA funded the mind control programs.

That's how I'm certain that I was a victim of a CIA mind control program.

Compromising politicians is a CONTROL mechanism.

This is how they have many of them in their pockets.

Yes.

This represents a criminal conspiracy by the "rogue" CIA, but not just against the government.

Against those of us who were forced to partake in child pornography and used to "sexually" blackmail politicians.

Experimenting on a human is a criminal act, as well.

These are a few of the immoral acts perpetrated upon those of us who were incarcerated in the CIA funded mind control programs.

As I've repeated ad nauseam all over this forum, the CIA is an ORGANIZED criminal entity.

I can't recall exactly where this MKULTRA denial occurred, I wish this site had some sort of Search facility on it.

Your answer as to how you were certain the CIA was behind your mind control was as follows:

The CIA funded the mind control programs.

That's how I'm certain that I was a victim of a CIA mind control program.

But that is not a sound explanation. The logic does not follow.

If "the CIA funded mind control programs" it does not logically follow therefore that all efforts at mind control are therefore either sponsored or organised by the CIA.

Organised crime and the Mafia for example can utilise mind control. It is the equivalent of slave making. And many mind control survivors have compared what they went through to being used like a slave.

In fact mind control is so simple anyone could do it. You just have to break their will. You can compare it to breaking in a wild horse or training a disobedient dog.

As far as I am concerned you could easily have been a victim of organised crime.

Along the way you could easily have come across the odd corrupt government official, who no doubt exist, and in the eyes of an abused child this must have said so much to you. Even the police can't be trusted, even social services, even lawyers etc, etc.

But of course this is a mistaken perception. It is not all the police who are involved (even if the chief himself is corrupt), or all the other representatives of local and the larger government.

BlueAngel
04-17-2010, 09:49 AM
I'm no longer going to engage in your circular discussions, Gale.

I NEVER said I WAS NOT a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

Period.

End of that discussion unless you can prove otherwise.

The CIA funds and funded mind control programs.

They have all the resources at their disposal.

The money, the doctors, the hospitals, the military installations, the prisons, the institutions, the technology, the equipment, etc.

The Mafia does not.

Sure, the Mafia can USE; does use and has used "mind control" slaves.

Hence, the reason I said that I was used in CIA/Mafia pornography.

However, as I've said, and you should do some research, the CIA funded and sponsored the mind control programs and not the Mafia.

Under the direction of Allen Dulles, the CIA director, they ushered many "war criminals," (NAZI scientists/doctors) into our country after World War II and gave them safe-haven here for that purpose, but sold them to the public as rocket scientists who would be working for NASA.

Many victims of mind control programs were experimented on at NASA.

Do some research.

iHIMself™
04-18-2010, 03:07 AM
lol @ NASA. I can just imagine....

We have landed on the moon.....we have landed on the moon.....we have landed on the moon. lol

Anyway, I've read a couple of good books regarding mind control programs of the CIA. Quite intriguing. It was also a highly prioritised operation during vietnam on our troops, as well as more developed techniques during the war in Iraq (snr) What is more intriguing, is the use of such techniques on the general population through the media.

That, with 'dumbing' biochemicals in our food and water supplies, and we have the enslavement of the civilised world.

No, sorry, my bad, it's actually orchestrated by the mafia for their own greedy financial gains.

THWAK!! I warned you galexander...:mad:

lol

galexander
04-18-2010, 05:29 AM
I'm no longer going to engage in your circular discussions, Gale.

I NEVER said I WAS NOT a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

Period.

End of that discussion unless you can prove otherwise.

The CIA funds and funded mind control programs.

They have all the resources at their disposal.

The money, the doctors, the hospitals, the military installations, the prisons, the institutions, the technology, the equipment, etc.

The Mafia does not.

Sure, the Mafia can USE; does use and has used "mind control" slaves.

Hence, the reason I said that I was used in CIA/Mafia pornography.

However, as I've said, and you should do some research, the CIA funded and sponsored the mind control programs and not the Mafia.

Under the direction of Allen Dulles, the CIA director, they ushered many "war criminals," (NAZI scientists/doctors) into our country after World War II and gave them safe-haven here for that purpose, but sold them to the public as rocket scientists who would be working for NASA.

Many victims of mind control programs were experimented on at NASA.

Do some research.

I don't deny that the CIA experimented with mind control.

But that does not mean to say that all mind control and slavery must originate with the CIA.

However to cause someone to become mind controlled I would deny that you need "the money, the doctors, the hospitals, the military installations, the prisons, the institutions, the technology, the equipment, etc." Absolutely any crook can make slaves. Slavery has been around for thousands of years.

What I would suggest is that when you were exploited as a child you were most likely told that because the crooks had some government officials on their side they actually told you that they WERE the government. And they led you to believe this was why you couldn't go to the authorities for help because they WERE the authorities.

Its a standard practice among paedophile networks to instil fear into the minds of the children in question.

Further paedophile networks are extremely complex organisations. And they need to be to avoid the full force of the law. This sophistication of organisation again may make them look like a quasi-government.

For example many allegations have been made about the False Memory Syndrome Foundation who claim that most of the memories of victim's of child abuse are false and based upon auto suggestion etc.

However the organisation is made up almost entirely of parents who THEMSELVES have been accused of child abuse. But is this safe especially when considering the influence the organisation has had on government policy on the issue?

Indeed one of the founding members of the FMSF was sacked when it was revealed that in an interview in a Dutch paedophile magazine he claimed that it was perfectly natural for adults to sleep with children and that it was Gods will etc., etc.

Somewhat of an embarrassment but it hardly dented the reputation of the FMSF.

superted
04-18-2010, 06:55 AM
If what I said about the Taliban outlawing drugs was a 'hunk of crap' kerry then how do you explain the following link:

Taliban's Ban On Poppy A Success, U.S. Aides Say - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html?pagewanted=1)

You are the one kerry posting 'diversionary topics for the ignorant to see'.

And your spelling is appalling.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/world/asia/19taliban.html?_r=2&hp

galexander
04-18-2010, 10:28 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/19/world/asia/19taliban.html?_r=2&hp

A shrewd observation superted.

But if the Taliban are now trading in opium, what forced them into it in the first place?

The American/Allied invasion.

The simple truth is that if the invasion had never occurred then there would be no opium cultivation in Afghanistan today.

But nice try anyway.

kerry
04-18-2010, 08:44 PM
the truth is afgans only way to get money and live was with opium. which the mafia flew in there privet jets to buy. which was money suport for the talaban.

galexander
04-19-2010, 12:51 PM
the truth is afgans only way to get money and live was with opium. which the mafia flew in there privet jets to buy. which was money suport for the talaban.

So how do you explain the Taliban's ban on opium production in 2000-2001?

jane doe
04-19-2010, 01:00 PM
So how do you explain the Taliban's ban on opium production in 2000-2001?

Maybe it had been sprayed with chemicals?

Actions are different than words.

BlueAngel
04-19-2010, 03:48 PM
I don't deny that the CIA experimented with mind control.

But that does not mean to say that all mind control and slavery must originate with the CIA.

However to cause someone to become mind controlled I would deny that you need "the money, the doctors, the hospitals, the military installations, the prisons, the institutions, the technology, the equipment, etc." Absolutely any crook can make slaves. Slavery has been around for thousands of years.

What I would suggest is that when you were exploited as a child you were most likely told that because the crooks had some government officials on their side they actually told you that they WERE the government. And they led you to believe this was why you couldn't go to the authorities for help because they WERE the authorities.

Its a standard practice among paedophile networks to instil fear into the minds of the children in question.

Further paedophile networks are extremely complex organisations. And they need to be to avoid the full force of the law. This sophistication of organisation again may make them look like a quasi-government.

For example many allegations have been made about the False Memory Syndrome Foundation who claim that most of the memories of victim's of child abuse are false and based upon auto suggestion etc.

However the organisation is made up almost entirely of parents who THEMSELVES have been accused of child abuse. But is this safe especially when considering the influence the organisation has had on government policy on the issue?

Indeed one of the founding members of the FMSF was sacked when it was revealed that in an interview in a Dutch paedophile magazine he claimed that it was perfectly natural for adults to sleep with children and that it was Gods will etc., etc.

Somewhat of an embarrassment but it hardly dented the reputation of the FMSF.

I'm talking about CIA mind control programs and the resources they have available to fund these programs and not about other organizations that can deploy mind control upon their followers.

Please do not suggest that you know anything about my incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch unless you were there.

I've already written about the FMSF so you haven't told me anything that I don't already know.

Do a search and you'll find my thread.

Yes, paedophile networks are extremely complex organizations.

Such as the CIA and Mafia paedophile networks.

Instilling fear in their mind control "slaves" is standard practice so they won't talk about it.

Again, you haven't told me anything that I don't already know and/or have written about on this forum.

galexander
04-20-2010, 01:04 PM
Maybe it had been sprayed with chemicals?

Actions are different than words.

But in that case of the Taliban's ban it was both words AND action.

galexander
04-20-2010, 01:09 PM
I'm talking about CIA mind control programs and the resources they have available to fund these programs and not about other organizations that can deploy mind control upon their followers.

Please do not suggest that you know anything about my incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch unless you were there.

I've already written about the FMSF so you haven't told me anything that I don't already know.

Do a search and you'll find my thread.

Yes, paedophile networks are extremely complex organizations.

Such as the CIA and Mafia paedophile networks.

Instilling fear in their mind control "slaves" is standard practice so they won't talk about it.

Again, you haven't told me anything that I don't already know and/or have written about on this forum.

I know this might sound like an extremely superficial suggestion but could it be possible that you were actually mind controlled just to think that the CIA were responsible when it had actually been someone else?

Perhaps they had been devious enough to try and hide their tracks and to ensure that what you were saying didn't make any sense when you went for help?

BlueAngel
04-20-2010, 06:30 PM
I know this might sound like an extremely superficial suggestion but could it be possible that you were actually mind controlled just to think that the CIA were responsible when it had actually been someone else?

Perhaps they had been devious enough to try and hide their tracks and to ensure that what you were saying didn't make any sense when you went for help?

No.

That isn't possible.

It was the CIA and President Bill Clinton admitted that the government experimented on people; the CIA released documents under the FOIA pertaining to their programs and a former CIA director, COLBY, who was found dead under strange circumstances, admitted to Project Monarch and Ted Kennedy conducted congressional hearings regarding this matter.

Why would it matter if I went to anyone for help and implicated the CIA and they didn't think what I said made any sense?

Are you saying it would make more sense to someone if I implicated another entity?

I couldn't care any less if I went to someone for help and they didn't think that what I said made any sense.

I know the truth and they don't.

Just curious.

What are your reasons for insisting that the CIA was not involved in mind control programs when all evidence proves that they were?

BlueAngel
04-20-2010, 08:09 PM
Project MKULTRA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA)

Mind Control (http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrol)

Do some research, Gale, as I'm growing weary of doing it for you and, in the interim, cease and desist from playing dumb.

The CIA was involved in the creation of mind control programs.

Period.

End of story.

I have spoken as to my incarceration in same and I would know because I am a victim/survivor and you are not.

For that, you should be thankful.

BlueAngel
04-21-2010, 12:03 AM
So, Gale, please explain to the forum why it is that you find it necessary to exempt the CIA from any involvement in mind control programs when all evidence, heretofore, points to this "corrupt" organization?

galexander
04-21-2010, 01:42 PM
No.

That isn't possible.

It was the CIA and President Bill Clinton admitted that the government experimented on people; the CIA released documents under the FOIA pertaining to their programs and a former CIA director, COLBY, who was found dead under strange circumstances, admitted to Project Monarch and Ted Kennedy conducted congressional hearings regarding this matter.

Why would it matter if I went to anyone for help and implicated the CIA and they didn't think what I said made any sense?

Are you saying it would make more sense to someone if I implicated another entity?

I couldn't care any less if I went to someone for help and they didn't think that what I said made any sense.

I know the truth and they don't.

Just curious.

What are your reasons for insisting that the CIA was not involved in mind control programs when all evidence proves that they were?

But BlueAngel, I am not denying the existence of MKULTRA or that the CIA conducted experiments into mind control.

What I am disputing is how far these CIA experiments went. Did it really include making kiddy porn, creating robotic call girls and running drugs mules? The official reason why the CIA carried out such research was to better understand and hence counter any such possible activity perpetrated by the Soviets.

Just because MKULTRA has been publicly admitted to by the US government doesn't necessarily mean that you, BlueAngel, must have been a victim of it.

BlueAngel
04-22-2010, 09:04 PM
But BlueAngel, I am not denying the existence of MKULTRA or that the CIA conducted experiments into mind control.

What I am disputing is how far these CIA experiments went. Did it really include making kiddy porn, creating robotic call girls and running drugs mules? The official reason why the CIA carried out such research was to better understand and hence counter any such possible activity perpetrated by the Soviets.

Just because MKULTRA has been publicly admitted to by the US government doesn't necessarily mean that you, BlueAngel, must have been a victim of it.

You are denying all of it.

So stop denying that you are denying it.

Yes.

CIA mind control programs involved CIA/Mafia kiddie porn and, since I was used in CIA/Mafia kiddie porn, I would be the one who could speak to this subject and not you.

You aren't the ONE who is knowledgeable about mind control programs.

Ah, that would be me since I was a victim and am a survivor.

But, thanks, anyway for you input.

If you believe that the reason why the CIA carried out such research was to better understand and, hence, counter any such possible activity perpetrated by the Soviets, I truly think you must be wearing a "dunce" cap and have bought into that which they told you and, perhaps, you are, as we speak, mind controlled.

Oh, yeah.

The Soviets.

The communists.

They were going to invade America, just as we were told when we heard the sirens and hid under our desks at school and, because of this, the CIA needed to engage in mind control research and kiddie porn to better understand and counter their activity here when they took over America.

So, let's use unsuspecting humans as guniea pigs all in the name of protecting America from communist take over.

We'll experiment on prisoners, mental patients, on children in orphanages; you know, we'll prey on the less fortunate, with or without their informed consent so we can counter the soviets and their mind control attack when they take over America.

What are you talking about?

MIND CONTROL tactics were developed by Nazi scientists.

GERMANS!

Not Soviets.

Some of the same Nazi scientists who perpetrated grotesque experimentation on Holocaust prisoners during WWII were ushered into AMERICA and given safe haven here by Allen Dulles and the CIA; touted as rocket scientists, but for the purposes of continuing their experimentation and aiding and abetting the CIA in developing mind control slaves and in the research of experimentation of various technologies.

Secret, silent and invisible weapons.

I never said that because MKULTRA has been publicly admitted to by the US government this means that I, BlueAngel, was victim of this mind control program.

I have stated that I was a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch irregardless of whether or not the CIA/government admitted to it.

I don't need the CIA or government to admit to anything to verify that I was a victim of CIA/government abuse and used in CIA/Mafia pornography.

I know who I am Gale and you don't.

I know who victimized me and you don't.

But, thanks again for you input.

We shall take it into consideration, but most likely discard it as rubbish.

Any luck in finding the comment on the forum by me, wherein you say that I state I wasn't a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch?

Didn't think so.

iHIMself™
04-23-2010, 04:03 AM
The implications of the CIA's involvement is the true indicator in such events. And what are these implications? Non existent.
There is as much evidence, if not more, of their experimental rampage on THOUSANDS like Blue Angel, as there is on torture and maiming of detainees by US government forces throughout the world. There is substantial evidence of their involvement in the JFK assassination, the Bobby Kennedy Assassination, the Alexander Onassis death, the deaths of Martin Luther King Jnr, Malcolm X, JFK Jnr, Muhatma Ghandi, his son Monalil Ghandi, bombings in Israel, Iraq, Iran, Oklahoma City, 911, Spain, London, hell even Tupac and Biggy. And they can still easily do it to this day, with Lech Kaczynski, the polish president, who tried to put a clamp on financial giants running amok in his country. The evidence is everywhere, and justice nowhere.
If you knew someone who committed murder, and you kept quiet? That is by law, committing as an accomplice. Almost punishable as committing the act itself.
The government IS an accomplice to these murders, and continues to comply. But.......what? They do so, they say, for the betterment of our world, our social structure, and personal lives. For them, that is all the justice we need.

galexander
04-24-2010, 09:40 AM
The implications of the CIA's involvement is the true indicator in such events. And what are these implications? Non existent.
There is as much evidence, if not more, of their experimental rampage on THOUSANDS like Blue Angel, as there is on torture and maiming of detainees by US government forces throughout the world. There is substantial evidence of their involvement in the JFK assassination, the Bobby Kennedy Assassination, the Alexander Onassis death, the deaths of Martin Luther King Jnr, Malcolm X, JFK Jnr, Muhatma Ghandi, his son Monalil Ghandi, bombings in Israel, Iraq, Iran, Oklahoma City, 911, Spain, London, hell even Tupac and Biggy. And they can still easily do it to this day, with Lech Kaczynski, the polish president, who tried to put a clamp on financial giants running amok in his country. The evidence is everywhere, and justice nowhere.
If you knew someone who committed murder, and you kept quiet? That is by law, committing as an accomplice. Almost punishable as committing the act itself.
The government IS an accomplice to these murders, and continues to comply. But.......what? They do so, they say, for the betterment of our world, our social structure, and personal lives. For them, that is all the justice we need.

I personally feel that we are getting a little carried away in suggesting that the CIA were solely responsible for everything bad that has ever happened in the world.

Its over simplistic, a little naive and bordering on the paranoid.

I don't deny that the CIA may have done a few bizarre and twisted things in their time but it doesn't logically follow that they must be ultimately responsible for absolutely everything!

You may even be playing into these people's hands and helping to create a smokescreen for governmental conspirators to hide behind.

And I am certain that government agents fictitiously create conspiracy theories in order to rubbish all the accusations that may come there way. In fact organised crime may even be doing the same thing these days.

FallaciesAbound
04-24-2010, 09:45 AM
Amen to that. As they say, conspiracy theorys give people simple solutions to complex problems, but they are the wrong answers usually

BlueAngel
04-24-2010, 11:53 AM
As far as I know, Gale, I, nor any other member of this forum has EVER suggested that the CIA is solely responsible for any and every bad thing that has happened in the world.

From where you have you ascertained this information?

It must be from the same place wherein you said that I had previously stated I WASN'T a victim of MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

FYI, I am debating your theory, GALE, that the Mafia runs the US and debating your theory, as well, that some entity other than the CIA was responsible for the creation of mind control programs; using children in kiddie porn, experimentation on persons in institutions, orphanages, prisons, etc.

I have NEVER said that, IMO, the CIA is solely responsible for every bad thing that has ever happened.

You might want to look around the forum at other threads, Gale, and enlighten yourself as to what other organizations members of this forum have implicated as "corrupt" entities.

BlueAngel
04-24-2010, 11:57 AM
Really, Gale, you are certain that government agents ficticiously create conspiracy theories in order to rubbish all the accusations that may come their way?

Would this be similar to suggesting that the US is run by the Mafia?

kerry
04-24-2010, 08:00 PM
when terrorist attacked new york on 9/11
they woke up a sleeping giant that cant go back to sleep.
10 years later key figures are still being hunted by the world.
i doubt very much a attack such as 9/11 will ever happen again.
and i realy doubt north korea and iran will have the balls
to shoot a nuke at us. as for the mafia.. they are small
potatos. they dont know it yet but somthing is on the
drawing board to deal with them later

BlueAngel
04-24-2010, 08:09 PM
when terrorist attacked new york on 9/11
they woke up a sleeping giant that cant go back to sleep.
10 years later key figures are still being hunted by the world.
i doubt very much a attack such as 9/11 will ever happen again.
and i realy doubt north korea and iran will have the balls
to shoot a nuke at us. as for the mafia.. they are small
potatos. they dont know it yet but somthing is on the
drawing board to deal with them later

Really?

The Mafia doesn't know that something is on the drawing board to deal with them later, but you do?

Please, do tell.

Do you realize, Kerry, how ridiculous you sound by asserting that you are privilege to some plan that is on the drawing board to deal with the Mafia later?

P.S. If you highly doubt that anything like 911 will ever happen again, I would suggest that you are naive.

BlueAngel
04-24-2010, 08:10 PM
You know what, Gale, your constant use of the words "kiddie porn" is quite distasteful insomuch as it gives us a glimpse into your familiarity with the business.

There aren't very many people outside of the "business" who refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

iHIMself™
04-24-2010, 10:22 PM
when terrorist attacked new york on 9/11
they woke up a sleeping giant that cant go back to sleep.
which terrorists? the 14 that didn't even board the planes? And this giant is? Because if its the US govt, then you are delusional indeed, as the US is not run by the US, but a conglomerate of powerful FOREIGN banking families, that dates back almost 1000 years. That's a hell of a long time to stay awake.

10 years later key figures are still being hunted by the world.
Which key figures are they?? Bin Laden? lmao. since when was he EVER hunted?
i doubt very much a attack such as 9/11 will ever happen again.
So Spain, London, Bali, and countless bombings that continue don't count. Only the US counts, sorry, I forget how conceited we are sometimes.

and i realy doubt north korea and iran will have the balls
to shoot a nuke at us.
Again, on the brink of delusional. They are well aware of any ramifications to their actions. But I believe they are utilising nuclear energy for the benefits of power, and....self defence against rogue regimes, like the ones we have faced for the past 200 years. It's governments that try to do things for the benefits of their general population that seem to be under scrutiny and threat. You seem to eat up everything the media throws at you. Bon apetit'

as for the mafia.. they are small
potatos. they dont know it yet but somthing is on the
drawing board to deal with them later
Wow, small potatoes. Best thing you've said so far. But you forget, that many HEADS of the mafia, have become, through generations of at least 100 years, a part of the aristocracy, so those who ARE dealt with, are the ones who never had any influence whatsoever. A FRONT, to keep people like you happy, that something is being done.

Again, bon apetit'

Getting rid of the mafia is extremely simple. Legalise drugs. Full stop. But the tyrants of this world are the ones who benefit the most out of illegal drug trades, so that will never happen.

iHIMself™
04-24-2010, 10:24 PM
You know what, Gale, your constant use of the words "kiddie porn" is quite distasteful insomuch as it gives us a glimpse into your familiarity with the business.

There aren't very many people outside of the "business" who refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

ouch!

BlueAngel
04-24-2010, 11:40 PM
ouch!

Indeed.

If I may say so myself and, indeed, I do say so myself.

Thumbs up to your reply to kerry, ihimself.

Oh, yeah, kerry.

bin Laden is being hunted.

What?

Are you serious?

Do you seriously think that ten years later the "war on terror" is about hunting down bin Laden?

He's not being hunted.

He's in safe-keeping, if he's alive.

He's a CIA asset.

Does the name "al qaeda" ring a bell?

A "terrorist" organization and a figment of your imagination and the rest of the world created by the CIA.

A "key" figure to blame for the 911 so-called terrorist attack and bin Laden the mastermind beind the attacks.

They have bin laden in safe-keeping.

Kid you not.

If not for the CIA created "terrorist organization," whose mastermind is the so-called bin Laden, who supposedly heads the al qaeda network who are supposedly responsible for the 911 terrorist attack, there would be no reason for the US to invade Afghanistan and/or Iraq.

The US could NOT invade Afganistan; oust the Taliban; get the poppy fields (heroin) up and growing again and take over the oil fields in Iraq without a terrorist attack.

The CIA loves those poppy fields.

They provide tons of cash for their black operations and the oil fields, well we all know who profits from owning those natural resources.

It certainly isn't us "poor folk."

The people who pull up to their gas tanks to fuel our cars and have our money sucked out of our wallets because since the invasion of Iraq and the taking over of the OIL FIELDS, they have been selling gas to us at astronomical prices.

galexander
04-25-2010, 05:28 AM
You know what, Gale, your constant use of the words "kiddie porn" is quite distasteful insomuch as it gives us a glimpse into your familiarity with the business.

There aren't very many people outside of the "business" who refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

As a matter of fact BlueAngel I found your slur quite distasteful that I have any "inside" knowledge of the highly illegal child pornography industry.

It is a fact that I keep my eyes and ears very much open when following all forms of the media.

For example the other day I happened to be watching one of those late night TV programs on the adult film industry and the female porn actress they were interviewing reflected that in her entire career in the porn industry she had never worked with animals and children. Now you could argue that this had been a joke but at the time it came across that she was entirely serious.

Further anyone can pick up such jargon from the movies.

You were saying BlueAngel.............

kerry
04-25-2010, 09:45 AM
Really?

The Mafia doesn't know that something is on the drawing board to deal with them later, but you do?

Please, do tell.

Do you realize, Kerry, how ridiculous you sound by asserting that you are privilege to some plan that is on the drawing board to deal with the Mafia later?

P.S. If you highly doubt that anything like 911 will ever happen again, I would suggest that you are naive.

i dont need your comment to verify my post on the ileegal mafia. you have no clue where i get my info so your the one that looks stupid

iHIMself™
04-25-2010, 08:29 PM
i dont need your comment to verify my post on the ileegal mafia. you have no clue where i get my info so your the one that looks stupid

soooo...you are asserting that you are privilege to some plan that is on the drawing board to deal with the Mafia later?
Oh I've got to hear this.....please...do tell....

by the way, you keep saying illegal mafia....is there a legal one?? The CiA perhaps?

Example...for over 20 years cocaine was being illegally shipped around the world worth hundreds of millions. High grade, not quite that easy to get a hold of, straight from the coca fields of columbia. Our govt declares war on pablo escobar, kills him dead, all of a sudden we have a billion dollar industry, easily available, poor grade, highly addictive, destroying thousands of lives and countless more. Dare I say who it was that developed c r a c k ? The chinese, smoked opium....dare I say who developed h e r o i n ?

Try find yourself pure cocain..a natural, non addictive stimulant. you won't, but crack? easy.
Try find yourself some pure opium to smoke...a natural, non addictive stimulant. You won't. Heroin? easy.
Hell, try find yourself some pure tobacco...a natural, non addictive stimulant. You won't, but cigarettes? everywhere.
Try find yourself some pure MDMA..the first ecstacy phenomenon that exploded into the nightclub scene. Perhaps not natural, but a safe, non addictive stimulant. The love drug. But today's ecstacy? Rubbish, brain damaging cocktails of anything goes!

It is government cohorts working to distinguish any natural form of stimulant for the people, to keep their minds paralised from truth and the reality and joy of being and self. Not the mafia. They are nothing more than the bootleggers. Always have been, always will be.
The mafia will NEVER be dealt with...who the hell is going to sell all these drugs that keep our youth brain dead?

kerry
04-26-2010, 06:09 PM
what the gov is doing now is allowing the mafia to stay in america as long as they have a busines and pay tax. i know you dont deny that.
the only connection the mafia had or still has with terrorist nations is going there in there privet jets to buy opium and what else. to sell here.
thats a fact and is what they did in afgan. as well as other places.
without them somone wont be tied to a chair on medican not knowing who he is. personaly anyone that supports the mafia in any way is garbage just like they are. and there wouldent be any border wars at the mexican border. they made a friendly nation our enimy. one of them here in town tried a protection sceme on a deecent restraunt owner and wrecked his busines.
the only power they have is fear. but ssoon they will get a taste of that

BlueAngel
04-26-2010, 06:36 PM
As a matter of fact BlueAngel I found your slur quite distasteful that I have any "inside" knowledge of the highly illegal child pornography industry.

It is a fact that I keep my eyes and ears very much open when following all forms of the media.

For example the other day I happened to be watching one of those late night TV programs on the adult film industry and the female porn actress they were interviewing reflected that in her entire career in the porn industry she had never worked with animals and children. Now you could argue that this had been a joke but at the time it came across that she was entirely serious.

Further anyone can pick up such jargon from the movies.

You were saying BlueAngel.............

It wasn't a slur.

It was an observation.

You heard what I said.

But, since you asked and desire that I repeat myself, I shall honor your request.

Most people outside of the "business" do not refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn," but you do.

The following post by Gale, makes absolutely no sense:

"For example the other day I happened to be watching one of those late night TV programs on the adult film industry and the female porn actress they were interviewing reflected that in her entire career in the porn industry she had never worked with animals and children. Now you could argue that this had been a joke but at the time it came across that she was entirely serious."

What was a joke?

You thought she was joking when she said that she never worked with animals or children.

Oh, yeah.

What a joke.

Or, do you mean you thought she was lying?

I don't find anything about the pornography industry to be a joke.

The "porn" actress who was being interviewed stated that she had never "worked" with children or animals.

HUH?

Worked with children or animals.

Okay, whatever.

So, what now, Gale?

I sense you desire to let it be known that CIA/Mafia pornography also involves bestiality.

As if this is a secret.

I could have told you that if only you would have asked.

BlueAngel
04-26-2010, 06:37 PM
i dont need your comment to verify my post on the ileegal mafia. you have no clue where i get my info so your the one that looks stupid

From where do you get your information?

Sorry, but I don't look stupid.

kerry
04-26-2010, 07:04 PM
my uncle worked for uncle sam

BlueAngel
04-26-2010, 07:26 PM
my uncle worked for uncle sam

Oh, thanks.

Your answer surely details exactly why you know there is something on the drawing board to deal with the Mafia later.

It's because your uncle worked for uncle sam.

Why didn't I think of that?

I work for Uncle Sam, too, as does most of the population, but this doesn't mean that we are privy to some information that there are plans on the drawing board to deal with the Mafia later.

Get serious.

:eek:

kerry
04-26-2010, 09:32 PM
you wont understand this but ill say it anyway you just may
the 7th number will be compleated in 2011.
7000 years after noah. after that will be the 5 months
of misery. by summer this year. watch for news about the sea.
millions of dead fish will be seen floating. for thousends of miles.
dont know the location. but that will be the beginning.

BlueAngel
04-26-2010, 09:36 PM
you wont understand this but ill say it anyway you just may
the 7th number will be compleated in 2011.
7000 years after noah. after that will be the 5 months
of misery. by summer this year. watch for news about the sea.
millions of dead fish will be seen floating. for thousends of miles.
dont know the location. but that will be the beginning.

I don't understand it because it doesn't make any sense.

No one understands it because it doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.

I'll be looking for those millions of dead fish.

Get real.

iHIMself™
04-27-2010, 04:19 AM
Oh my lord...a doomsayer christian nationalist...oxymoron of the millennia.

There's thousands of dead fish now, no need to wait....has it begun already? lol.

Kerry, do you know the history of the mafia? I bet you don't. Go read a little, and stop listening to uncle Tom...or Sam as you wrongfully assume.
They were a poor, enslaved, embattled people that found ways to take from the market that was otherwise shut out by the aristocrats or governments of their time. Unification with Italy, and prohibition, being highlighted. If you knew the actual history, you would NEVER call the mafia garbage. There are families that have preceded generations, and become a part of the aristocracy themselves, yes, but they are ALWAYS tied to the general population, which almost keeps them frowned upon by true aristocratic families.

Again, it was the MAFIA, that provided soup kitchens to the starving populations during the great depression, not any Uncle. Those uncles couldn't care less of the starving. With your mentality, even the farmers are garbage, because at that time, used to DUMP millions of tonnes of food, while the rest of our country was starving to death. You know nothing of a free market. The MAFIA exists because the aristocracy can't have it all, no matter how hard they try.

Hint, on how to stay away from the mafia. Don't take what's theirs.

There is only one pie in this market. Making more money, means a bigger piece of the pie, which means someone else is losing from their pie. I hardly doubt you will be eating from their plate, unless you're involved in some serious shit. In which case, serves you right. Get a team together ffs.

The mafia takes from the rich and gives opportunity to the poor. Modern day gang of robin hoods. I WISH the mafia controlled this country, coz there wouldn't be ANYONE without work, or ANYONE without a mouthful. Sad, isn't it? The mafia more humane then our own government?

Go do your research, enlighten yourself on where the mafia comes from, and you will see a battle for freedom fought by poor men who were willing to die before anyone took that away from them.

True American Spirit.

galexander
04-27-2010, 12:38 PM
It wasn't a slur.

It was an observation.

You heard what I said.

But, since you asked and desire that I repeat myself, I shall honor your request.

Most people outside of the "business" do not refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn," but you do.

The following post by Gale, makes absolutely no sense:

"For example the other day I happened to be watching one of those late night TV programs on the adult film industry and the female porn actress they were interviewing reflected that in her entire career in the porn industry she had never worked with animals and children. Now you could argue that this had been a joke but at the time it came across that she was entirely serious."

What was a joke?

You thought she was joking when she said that she never worked with animals or children.

Oh, yeah.

What a joke.

Or, do you mean you thought she was lying?

I don't find anything about the pornography industry to be a joke.

Maybe you should discontinue watching late night pornography.

Another glimpse into Gale's life.

The "porn" actress who was being interviewed stated that she had never "worked" with children or animals.

HUH?

Worked with children or animals.

Okay, whatever.

So, what now, Gale?

I sense you desire to let it be known that CIA/Mafia pornography also involved bestiality.

As if this is a secret.

I could have told you that if only you would have asked.

What I was suggesting BlueAngel was from the tenor of the joke the suggestion was that she COULD HAVE worked with animals or children even though the actress in question perhaps hadn't at the end of the day.

I mean are there adult porn stars who are dedicated to making child porn and make child porn only, or is there an overlap between the two?

You say that only people in the "business" refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn" but how are we to take your word for it anyway?

What if you got this wrong based upon a one sided perception despite of any reference to "kiddie porn" in the movies or a well researched documentary?

kerry
04-27-2010, 02:42 PM
Oh my lord...a doomsayer christian nationalist...oxymoron of the millennia.

There's thousands of dead fish now, no need to wait....has it begun already? lol.

Kerry, do you know the history of the mafia? I bet you don't. Go read a little, and stop listening to uncle Tom...or Sam as you wrongfully assume.
They were a poor, enslaved, embattled people that found ways to take from the market that was otherwise shut out by the aristocrats or governments of their time. Unification with Italy, and prohibition, being highlighted. If you knew the actual history, you would NEVER call the mafia garbage. There are families that have preceded generations, and become a part of the aristocracy themselves, yes, but they are ALWAYS tied to the general population, which almost keeps them frowned upon by true aristocratic families.

Again, it was the MAFIA, that provided soup kitchens to the starving populations during the great depression, not any Uncle. Those uncles couldn't care less of the starving. With your mentality, even the farmers are garbage, because at that time, used to DUMP millions of tonnes of food, while the rest of our country was starving to death. You know nothing of a free market. The MAFIA exists because the aristocracy can't have it all, no matter how hard they try.

Hint, on how to stay away from the mafia. Don't take what's theirs.

There is only one pie in this market. Making more money, means a bigger piece of the pie, which means someone else is losing from their pie. I hardly doubt you will be eating from their plate, unless you're involved in some serious shit. In which case, serves you right. Get a team together ffs.

The mafia takes from the rich and gives opportunity to the poor. Modern day gang of robin hoods. I WISH the mafia controlled this country, coz there wouldn't be ANYONE without work, or ANYONE without a mouthful. Sad, isn't it? The mafia more humane then our own government?

Go do your research, enlighten yourself on where the mafia comes from, and you will see a battle for freedom fought by poor men who were willing to die before anyone took that away from them.

True American Spirit.

soop kitchens was done by the town-city-community. work programs was started by rosavelt. check your history befor you try to feed that to me.

iHIMself™
04-29-2010, 07:02 AM
soop kitchens was done by the town-city-community. work programs was started by rosavelt. check your history befor you try to feed that to me.

Ha!! You are so wrong. It's almost comical that you would even suggest they rose even a finger on the issue. Much like our healthcare regime. I have friends around the world that have applauded Obama's reform, because their papers have applauded him saying how many millions without healthcare in the US would finally benefit. But we all know the truth, don't we? At least here. The subsidy in private heathcare is a farce. And so is your knowledge of historical facts.

superted
04-29-2010, 07:29 AM
What's the truth over there then ihimself? Obama is shaping up to be one of the best presidents of all time! Don't tell me you actually liked george bush jnr?

kerry
04-29-2010, 11:57 AM
Ha!! You are so wrong. It's almost comical that you would even suggest they rose even a finger on the issue. Much like our healthcare regime. I have friends around the world that have applauded Obama's reform, because their papers have applauded him saying how many millions without healthcare in the US would finally benefit. But we all know the truth, don't we? At least here. The subsidy in private heathcare is a farce. And so is your knowledge of historical facts.

you are a compleat lier or a idiot with nuthing else to do
i was there at the time just befor ww2. and here this day. and no one can possably know other wise what i WITNESSED in real time.. you was born when in the 60;s. you never had to struggle. why dont you ask somone that is over 60. thell tell you. the red cross the salvation army the president the community all pitched in to feed the hungry. you mafia lovers just dont know nuthing but the white wash after the fact im not wasteing my time with this any more take the silver spoon from your mouth and get your eares to work

BlueAngel
04-29-2010, 07:19 PM
What I was suggesting BlueAngel was from the tenor of the joke the suggestion was that she COULD HAVE worked with animals or children even though the actress in question perhaps hadn't at the end of the day.

I mean are there adult porn stars who are dedicated to making child porn and make child porn only, or is there an overlap between the two?

You say that only people in the "business" refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn" but how are we to take your word for it anyway?

What if you got this wrong based upon a one sided perception despite of any reference to "kiddie porn" in the movies or a well researched documentary?

As Springsteen says in one of his songs, the joke's on him and, right now, the joke's on you, Gale, because there was no joke and, as Bono says, YOU GAVE YOURSELF AWAY.

Yes.

As I said.

Very few people, outside of the business, refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

Trust me.

You can take my word for it because my word is as good as GOLD.

There isn't much that I get wrong.

P.S. I said that most people outside of the business do not refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn." I never said that only people in the business refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

Please, do not "misquote me" as I will call you on it every time.

iHIMself™
05-01-2010, 09:27 PM
you are a compleat lier or a idiot with nuthing else to do
i was there at the time just befor ww2. and here this day. and no one can possably know other wise what i WITNESSED in real time.. you was born when in the 60;s. you never had to struggle. why dont you ask somone that is over 60. thell tell you. the red cross the salvation army the president the community all pitched in to feed the hungry. you mafia lovers just dont know nuthing but the white wash after the fact im not wasteing my time with this any more take the silver spoon from your mouth and get your eares to work

The great depression was in the 20's. I doubt you were there. Unless you are are 90 something. And even then you were way too young to know the difference between a tit and a teet. And preceding 'hard times' were a consequence of sending our sons to war in the name of freedom, to bring fascism home. If only the dead could speak, they'll tell you, it's NOT what they died for. And don't bring this salvation army, red cross, rubbish, because now it is big business. So much is donated, only to have these fraudulant community support networks exploit those in need. And Even the president? Wow. I think the older you get, the more delusional you become. Or maybe it's just you. I was NEVER brought up with a silver spoon. Hence, my abhorance to social dictatorships. For you to even suggest it only shows how deep your ignorance lies.
This whole system is not a joke, but those who have taken control, have profaned it. They have done it since its conception, but never so powerful and blatant in their destruction of it. It's a pity you have no inkling of what is happening to your childrens future, and so arrogant, to not lend YOUR ears to those who express it.
You are either with us, or with the terrorists. And I don't mean al quaeda.

Get out of the way, you are hardly a puddle on this road to humanity. Splash.

superted
05-02-2010, 07:21 AM
"There isn't much that I get wrong."

Shouldn't that read, 'There isn't much that I get right.'

I've heard people crack jokes with the term kiddie porn, and it's also used a lot by UK media. And believe me, I'm not in the business.

jane doe
05-02-2010, 10:29 AM
And don't bring this salvation army, red cross, rubbish, because now it is big business. So much is donated, only to have these fraudulant community support networks exploit those in need.

True indeed.

kerry
05-02-2010, 05:24 PM
The great depression was in the 20's. I doubt you were there. Unless you are are 90 something. And even then you were way too young to know the difference between a tit and a teet. And preceding 'hard times' were a consequence of sending our sons to war in the name of freedom, to bring fascism home. If only the dead could speak, they'll tell you, it's NOT what they died for. And don't bring this salvation army, red cross, rubbish, because now it is big business. So much is donated, only to have these fraudulant community support networks exploit those in need. And Even the president? Wow. I think the older you get, the more delusional you become. Or maybe it's just you. I was NEVER brought up with a silver spoon. Hence, my abhorance to social dictatorships. For you to even suggest it only shows how deep your ignorance lies.
This whole system is not a joke, but those who have taken control, have profaned it. They have done it since its conception, but never so powerful and blatant in their destruction of it. It's a pity you have no inkling of what is happening to your childrens future, and so arrogant, to not lend YOUR ears to those who express it.
You are either with us, or with the terrorists. And I don't mean al quaeda.

Get out of the way, you are hardly a puddle on this road to humanity. Splash.

yeah right like you dident think i would notice how you left out the words
(OR YOU GOT NUTHING ELSE TO DO)
to cut down the selection
but i was there. you know nuthing but what somone tolds you
just be glad you was not there like today you eat anythime you want and its there

galexander
05-05-2010, 12:43 PM
As Springsteen says in one of his songs, the joke's on him and, right now, the joke's on you, Gale, because there was no joke and, as Bono says, YOU GAVE YOURSELF AWAY.

Yes.

As I said.

Very few people, outside of the business, refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

Trust me.

You can take my word for it because my word is as good as GOLD.

There isn't much that I get wrong.

P.S. I said that most people outside of the business do not refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn." I never said that only people in the business refer to child pornography as "kiddie porn."

Please, do not "misquote me" as I will call you on it every time.

So are you accusing me of being involved in the production and distribution of child pornography?

Honestly BlueAngel, I don't know whether you are just delusional or whether you were telling us the truth after all.

kerry
05-05-2010, 02:08 PM
here is a question that cant be answerd or the answer is known but no one wants to admit it. the question of this thread should say
is the mafia the reason for the great depression in 1937
does anyone know how the mafia got its name.. ill tell you anyway.
in the begining of the mafia there was a lady that had controll on them a femail god father. her name was fia. and was known as the mafias mother, and calld ma fia. if you think im making this up you can do a check with wikipedia or the library. it had its beginings in Sicily now dont forget. i found this out befor you was born. the true information befor it was lost. but i remember it. and it is fact how the mafia got its name.
then allong they come in the computer age and all the things in the past lost which meens was left out or made up as a replacement. how many of you know of or even heard of the manhatten project. the true story. not what you see today.. if you want me to tell you the real story on it let me know. but oh well all you know is whats today now. no need to dig into the past because its all changed for the internets. your loss

iHIMself™
05-06-2010, 03:45 AM
lmao. so...it was named after mama. lol. what does that say about your knowedge of the mafia? Absolutely everything. YOU read it in wikipedia. lol. Oh sorry, you were there. My bad.

The mafia was developed by poor civilians of sicilian decent. At the time there was a big battle between then, a greek speaking independent island, to be swallowed up by the big business of mainland italy. These poor people were financially exiled from the mainland to.....teach them a lesson. The same principles on smaller, non-abiding, countries is still applied today. Sanctions, etc, we all know the drill. They banded together, for their homeland, the 'motherland' of sicily, not their mother godfather, lmao. They became, through hard work, dedication and complete loyalty, a financial stabiliser to the rest of their community. Despite their failure to remain an independent nation, they remained a powerful entity, with support that spanned the entire southern european peninsulas.
The same principles of their success were used by european migrants in the US, and, as our government is just as ridiculously fascist as 150 years ago, they took advantage of the people's needs, and grew within their migrated cities. Chicago, being the most infamous.
Did you know John F Kennedy's father was a bootlegger? Our last, great president?
There is no doubt, there are complete monsters within the mafia, but none more so, than in our own ranks. The only difference, is they have a greater need, and desire, to make money. Whatever it takes. And someone who claims to be there and everywhere should be the FIRST to understand.

As I said before, if you are their target, then you are involved in some serious shit. Or you've got a big mouth, about to rain on something that is none of your business. Each way, you deserve what you get.

By the way, you're right. I don't have anything else better to do. At least I actually know what I'm talking about, and don't falsely claim I was there and everywhere when it happened, and still can't even spell. You claimed in another post it wasn't until 9/11 that you had heard of Islam. That in itself is testament, that you could be right there, and still have no idea of what's happening in front of you.

If you can't see........close your eyes.

iHIMself™
05-06-2010, 04:05 AM
So are you accusing me of being involved in the production and distribution of child pornography?

Honestly BlueAngel, I don't know whether you are just delusional or whether you were telling us the truth after all.

I don't think that's what she's saying, but, somehow, you've shown a little more interest/amusement in such materials. Being entertained by it, is hardly an accusation of production and distribution.
Nevertheless, it still is quite repugnant. But only because society has brought me up that way. My grandmother married at 14. That is disgusting thinking about it.
The lessons BlueAngel learnt can't be taught. But I believe it has definately made her stronger. And strength...CAN be taught.

To acquire knowledge is not good enough. We must apply.

It's a jungle out there.

kerry
05-06-2010, 08:59 AM
lmao. so...it was named after mama. lol. what does that say about your knowedge of the mafia? Absolutely everything. YOU read it in wikipedia. lol. Oh sorry, you were there. My bad.

The mafia was developed by poor civilians of sicilian decent. At the time there was a big battle between then, a greek speaking independent island, to be swallowed up by the big business of mainland italy. These poor people were financially exiled from the mainland to.....teach them a lesson. The same principles on smaller, non-abiding, countries is still applied today. Sanctions, etc, we all know the drill. They banded together, for their homeland, the 'motherland' of sicily, not their mother godfather, lmao. They became, through hard work, dedication and complete loyalty, a financial stabiliser to the rest of their community. Despite their failure to remain an independent nation, they remained a powerful entity, with support that spanned the entire southern european peninsulas.
The same principles of their success were used by european migrants in the US, and, as our government is just as ridiculously fascist as 150 years ago, they took advantage of the people's needs, and grew within their migrated cities. Chicago, being the most infamous.
Did you know John F Kennedy's father was a bootlegger? Our last, great president?
There is no doubt, there are complete monsters within the mafia, but none more so, than in our own ranks. The only difference, is they have a greater need, and desire, to make money. Whatever it takes. And someone who claims to be there and everywhere should be the FIRST to understand.

As I said before, if you are their target, then you are involved in some serious shit. Or you've got a big mouth, about to rain on something that is none of your business. Each way, you deserve what you get.

By the way, you're right. I don't have anything else better to do. At least I actually know what I'm talking about, and don't falsely claim I was there and everywhere when it happened, and still can't even spell. You claimed in another post it wasn't until 9/11 that you had heard of Islam. That in itself is testament, that you could be right there, and still have no idea of what's happening in front of you.

If you can't see........close your eyes.

thats right it was named after her.
like i sead i know things as fact from days befor you was born when i was old enought to know whats what

iHIMself™
05-06-2010, 09:49 AM
maybe so, but today, we call it.........dementia

kerry
05-06-2010, 03:13 PM
today is based on yesterday and you kids get born and infiltrate the school system changing the true facts

iHIMself™
05-07-2010, 09:50 PM
today is based on yesterday and you kids get born and infiltrate the school system changing the true facts

OMG. The kids, get born, infiltrate the school system and change the facts. lmao.

iHIMself™
05-12-2010, 08:56 PM
YouTube - Little Girls Doing Their Single Ladies Dance Routine [HD] - BEYONCE

Is this what the mafia are doing?

Seems like the shameful media driven US of A to me. And do you know who runs that? Guess? Not the US govt. Guess again....

BlueAngel
05-12-2010, 11:06 PM
YouTube - Little Girls Doing Their Single Ladies Dance Routine [HD] - BEYONCE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksTqWQEOe1k)

Is this what the mafia are doing?

Seems like the shameful media driven US of A to me. And do you know who runs that? Guess? Not the US govt. Guess again....

Good post.