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freeman
08-27-2005, 09:15 PM
Pittsburgh has long been known as a hotbed of Freemasonic/Illuminati activity. Don't ask me why. That part I haven't figured out yet. I'm just saying that I wasn't overly surprised albeit throughly appalled by this story which has actually made it to their local media (not for long I'll wager):

Coroner investigating discovery of aborted fetuses (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05239/561380.stm)

Saturday, August 27, 2005
By Joe Mandak, The Associated Press

Dozens of aborted fetuses have been found in a garage at the former home of a funeral director who had a contract with a Pittsburgh hospital to have the remains cremated, Allegheny County Coroner Cyril Wecht said today.

Police were called to the detached garage McKeesport around 9 p.m. Friday after someone discovered the remains in several boxes, Wecht said.

The fetuses were the result of miscarriages and abortions performed at Magee Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh from 1999 to 2002, Wecht said.

"There's nothing secretive or furtive about these procedures, which have been going on at Magee hospital since I was in medical school," Wecht said.


Wecht wouldn't identify the funeral director who once lived at the house with the detached garage where the fetuses were found. The funeral director went out of business years ago, Wecht said, and he was to be questioned by local and county police about the contract he had to have the remains cremated.

However, Pittsburgh attorney James Ecker said he was representing Robert B. Winston Jr., who he said was the former funeral director who used to live at the home. Winston has not been charged with any crime.

"Both he and I are frankly trying to assist the Allegheny County police in this whole investigation," Ecker said.

Allegheny County property records show the home and garage were sold in 1993, several years before authorities said the fetuses in question were aborted. Ecker said he didn't know if the current owner is related to Winston, nor if he had access to the property since then.

Last year, the State Board of Funeral Directors suspended Winston's license for three years and fined him $3,000, saying he had aided and assisted the unlicensed practice of funeral directing and failed to report presold funeral arrangement contracts to the board, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State Web site. The records didn't make clear what business Winston worked for at the time.

The Associated Press could not immediately locate a telephone number for Winston.

Magee is part of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's network of hospitals. A UPMC spokeswoman referred all questions to Wecht's office.

Wecht said the funeral director didn't have a crematorium and apparently had a subcontract with one to dispose of the remains. Crematorium officials were also to be questioned as part of the investigation.

Wecht's pathologists were examining the fetuses and the hospital records in an attempt to determine their identity and other medical information so the parents could be notified. The gestational age of the fetuses varied widely, but Wecht didn't specify a range.

"The Allegheny County Coroner's Office is sensitive and mindful of the emotional concerns parents and family members may ultimately experience, however significant time to complete a thorough medico-legal analysis must be allowed so as to ensure that proper identification and notifications can be made," Wecht's office said in a statement.

County detectives and McKeesport police were also investigating. They didn't immediately return calls for comment today.

Of course, the connection to Satanic rituals immediately flashed through my mind. From Springmeier's They Know Not What They Do:

There are blood covenants, blood sacrifices, sexual sealings, invocations of
demons, demonizations of fetuses with Moon Child rituals, voodooism, and many
other programming acts which are related to demonology.

Even this apologetic article re Satanism from the LA Times (which I actually reproduced from a Wiccan website) offers the following insights:

Satanism:Skeptics Abound (Yeah, right, only in the lamestream media...) (http://www.holysmoke.org/wicca/satanism-skeptics.htm)

Jacquie Balodis is talking softly about her bad childhood. How bad was it? It was unbelievably bad. "I was born into Satanism," the 49- year-old Garden Grove woman said. As she describes it, her early years in Pueblo, Colorado included devil worship, human sacrifice, and cannibalism. She said as a teen-ager she was twice impregnated by her stepfather, now deceased. Both fetuses were aborted and used in rituals, she said.

Anyone thinking what I'm thinking -- hypothetically of course? :roll:

08-28-2005, 09:32 AM
Oh, no, I would never think that aborted fetus' are sent to funeral directors who pile them up for use in "satanic" rituals involving those within our government/military who practice Freemasonry, satanic worshipping and human sacrifices.

It seems to me that most of these men are devout Christians who are anti-abortion and do not support a woman's right to chose.

Tongue in cheek!!

freeman
08-28-2005, 11:53 AM
Oh, no, I would never think that aborted fetus' are sent to funeral directors who pile them up for use in "satanic" rituals involving those within our government/military who practice Freemasonry, satanic worshipping and human sacrifices.

Yeah, just as we would never think that our respected local funeral directors would be involved with the smuggling of drugs in dead soldiers' caskets, at least until Lyndon LaRouche blew the lid off that scheme in his tell-all book Dope, Inc..
A little more info seems to be appearing today. Reknowned coroner Cyril Wecht (of the "Magic Bullet" theory in the JFK assassination) has been placed on the case, and he is saying that "the boxes may have been found inadvertently by a member of the funeral director's family." And of course local and county police still can't be reached for comment. Another quote from today's Post-Gazette follow-up article:

In March 2004, state records showed, the state Board of Funeral Directors fined Winston (the undertaker who owns the garage where the fetuses were found) $3,000 and suspended his license for three years for "aiding in the unlicensed practice of funeral directing" and for failing to notify the state of "pre-need" funeral services contracts. No further commnet was available yesterday.

Funny how no one in authority seems to want to comment on this case...and what the hell is "aiding in the unlicensed practice of funeral directing"? Obviously, this guy plays a pretty fast and loose game, and his carelessness would seem to indicate that he felt he had enough juice somewhere in the system to cover his tracks. Since he went right out and hired the top criminal attorney in the Pittsburgh area, I'm still not betting against that assumption on his part.
Of course, the media is already trying to spin this situation into something analagous to the Georgia crematory owner who accumulated three hundred rotting corpses on his property because he was too cheap to pay the gas bill. (But then again, that story also went off the radar screen as soon as it was indirectly connected to none other than George W. Bush):
Funeralgate: The skeleton in Bush's closet that won't go away (http://www.hereinreality.com/funeralgate.htm)
Sill, the two situations don't seem analagous to me. A fetus corpse is much easier to dispose of than the real thing. As we all know, they have often been thrown out with the daily trash with no one the wiser. And for a funeral director there should have been a plethora of options avaialbe for disposal, such as burial along with or directly beneath a casket in a full-size grave. Why would anyone want to accumulate the damned things?
So what do we have so far: An unscrupulous funeral director retains a collection of fetuses that he was orginally contracted to dispose of even after he has already been burned on other criminal charges pertaining to professional misconduct.
Just doesn't make sense. It has been my general experience that no one takes anything away from a business after they sell out or retire unless they think it is something that may be of value in the future... :-o

08-28-2005, 07:58 PM
freeman wrote:
Pittsburgh has long been known as a hotbed of Freemasonic/Illuminati activity. Don't ask me why. That part I haven't figured out yet. I'm just saying that I wasn't overly surprised albeit throughly appalled by this story which has actually made it to their local media (not for long I'll wager):

Coroner investigating discovery of aborted fetuses (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05239/561380.stm)

Saturday, August 27, 2005
By Joe Mandak, The Associated Press

Dozens of aborted fetuses have been found in a garage at the former home of a funeral director who had a contract with a Pittsburgh hospital to have the remains cremated, Allegheny County Coroner Cyril Wecht said today.

Former home!!!

Police were called to the detached garage McKeesport around 9 p.m. Friday after someone discovered the remains in several boxes, Wecht said.

Who called the police? Who has been living there with fetuses in their garage that are supposedly from miscarriages and abortions from 1999-2002?

The fetuses were the result of miscarriages and abortions performed at Magee Womens Hospital in Pittsburgh from 1999 to 2002, Wecht said.

Fetuses from 1999-2002 found in a garage that the director doesn't own three years later!!!! Sorry, something doesn't add up!! I don't think they are fetuses that are three years old.

"There's nothing secretive or furtive about these procedures, which have been going on at Magee hospital since I was in medical school," Wecht said.


Wecht wouldn't identify the funeral director who once lived at the house with the detached garage where the fetuses were found. The funeral director went out of business years ago, Wecht said, and he was to be questioned by local and county police about the contract he had to have the remains cremated.

He went out of business years ago!! When? Before 1999?

However, Pittsburgh attorney James Ecker said he was representing Robert B. Winston Jr., who he said was the former funeral director who used to live at the home. Winston has not been charged with any crime.

Who lives in the former funeral director's home now?

"Both he and I are frankly trying to assist the Allegheny County police in this whole investigation," Ecker said.

Allegheny County property records show the home and garage were sold in 1993, several years before authorities said the fetuses in question were aborted. Ecker said he didn't know if the current owner is related to Winston, nor if he had access to the property since then.

Home sold in 1993 is not several years before fetuses in question were aborted. That would be six years and six years does not make several. I think it would be easy to find out if the current owner is related to Winston. Try asking. Now we know there is a current owner who was living in the house with fetuses since 1993??? when they say the house was sold.

Last year, the State Board of Funeral Directors suspended Winston's license for three years and fined him $3,000, saying he had aided and assisted the unlicensed practice of funeral directing and failed to report presold funeral arrangement contracts to the board, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State Web site. The records didn't make clear what business Winston worked for at the time.

Previous paragraph says Winston went out of business years ago, but last year his license was suspended for three years. The records aren't clear as to what business he worked for???? Why not??? Shouldn't the State Board know this if they're fining him and what the hell does "aided and assisted the unlicensed practice of funeral directing" mean???

The Associated Press could not immediately locate a telephone number for Winston.

Magee is part of the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's network of hospitals. A UPMC spokeswoman referred all questions to Wecht's office.

Wecht said the funeral director didn't have a crematorium and apparently had a subcontract with one to dispose of the remains. Crematorium officials were also to be questioned as part of the investigation.

Wecht's pathologists were examining the fetuses and the hospital records in an attempt to determine their identity and other medical information so the parents could be notified. The gestational age of the fetuses varied widely, but Wecht didn't specify a range.

"The Allegheny County Coroner's Office is sensitive and mindful of the emotional concerns parents and family members may ultimately experience, however significant time to complete a thorough medico-legal analysis must be allowed so as to ensure that proper identification and notifications can be made," Wecht's office said in a statement.

County detectives and McKeesport police were also investigating. They didn't immediately return calls for comment today.

Of course, the connection to Satanic rituals immediately flashed through my mind. From Springmeier's They Know Not What They Do:

There are blood covenants, blood sacrifices, sexual sealings, invocations of
demons, demonizations of fetuses with Moon Child rituals, voodooism, and many
other programming acts which are related to demonology.

Even this apologetic article re Satanism from the LA Times (which I actually reproduced from a Wiccan website) offers the following insights:

Satanism:Skeptics Abound (Yeah, right, only in the lamestream media...) (http://www.holysmoke.org/wicca/satanism-skeptics.htm)

Jacquie Balodis is talking softly about her bad childhood. How bad was it? It was unbelievably bad. "I was born into Satanism," the 49- year-old Garden Grove woman said. As she describes it, her early years in Pueblo, Colorado included devil worship, human sacrifice, and cannibalism. She said as a teen-ager she was twice impregnated by her stepfather, now deceased. Both fetuses were aborted and used in rituals, she said.

Anyone thinking what I'm thinking -- hypothetically of course? :roll:

freeman
08-28-2005, 10:33 PM
You're right, BlueAngel.
There are way more questions than answers in either one of those articles.
Something tells me that we'll be scratching our heads bald before we ever figure out what "aiding and assisting the unlicensed practice of funeral directing" really means -- at least without a copy of LaVey's Satanic Bible to cross-reference.

freeman
10-14-2005, 07:17 AM
This will be my last post on this forum. (Those of you who are intentionally disrupting and distracting may congratulate yourselves on that small victory; savor it, for I promise it will be shortlived.) I intended to be gone already, but I could not resist posting this last article which ties in strongly to the theme of this thread.
For those of you who are monitoring this forum to actually learn how this evil, Satanic conspiracy works behind the scenes, this should add significantly to your base of knowledge"

Armstrong woman charged in attack on pregnant neighbor
She wanted unborn child

Friday, October 14, 2005
By Gabrielle Banks and Judy Laurinatis, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
FORD CITY, Pa. -- An Armstrong County woman who told friends and family she was expecting a child was charged yesterday with beating her pregnant neighbor over the head with a baseball bat, driving her to a remote rural road and attempting to cut the woman's baby out of her abdomen. The attack was thwarted by a boy on an all-terrain vehicle and police took the suspect into custody.

The victim, identified as Valerie Oskin, 30, of Ford City, was flown by helicopter to Allegheny General Hospital and was in critical condition yesterday. Doctors delivered her baby by emergency Caesarean section and the baby was healthy, officials said.

Confronted with evidence by investigators, the suspect, Peggy Jo Conner, 38, made a statement to state police that confirmed their suspicions.

"I don't think there was any question that her goal was to get that child out of there. If this kid had not come on the scene, she would have finished the job," said Armstrong County District Attorney Scott Andreassi.

Ms. Conner was charged with attempted homicide, aggravated assault and aggravated assault on an unborn child. She was held without bond in the Armstrong County Jail.

A preliminary hearing was scheduled for 1 p.m. Tuesday before District Judge Samuel Goldstrohm in Rural Valley.

Thomas Wilks, who initially said he was the suspect's husband but later acknowledged to KDKA-TV that he was her boyfriend, said he had spent the summer adding a nursery to the family's trailer. Friends had stocked it with second-hand baby supplies. He talked about the baby with a fishing buddy, and neighbors said he was very attentive to Ms. Conner, who had said she was eight months pregnant.

Ms. Conner has three other children, ages 11, 14 and 16, who live with her in a trailer park in a hilltop development called Pattonsville. She was a stay-at-home mother, and a calm, amiable person, neighbors said.

Ms. Conner had befriended her next-door neighbor, Ms. Oskin, who lives with her 7-year-old son. Ms. Oskin was about 8 months into her pregnancy. Mr. Wilks described Ms. Oskin as "a nice, quiet lady."

Authorities believe Ms. Conner came up from behind her neighbor and hit her in the head with a wooden bat sometime late Tuesday or early Wednesday morning at her trailer, Mr. Andreassi said.

The victim's son was home, but officials do not know if he witnessed the attack. Investigators think Ms. Conner took the boy and the badly beaten Ms. Oskin in her car and dropped the child off with relatives at about 11 a.m.

She then drove about 15 miles to a remote section of Wayne Township near Rural Valley and remained there with the victim for several hours. Mr. Andreassi said it appeared Ms. Conner was waiting for Ms. Oskin to die and then planned to take the baby.

Police believe Ms. Conner sliced the woman's belly open with a razor knife. Exactly when Ms. Oskin suffered the 6- to 8-inch cut to her lower abdomen remained under investigation. But they believe a 17-year-old who lived in the area came upon the scene on his ATV shortly after the suspect cut the victim, at about 5:30 p.m. Wednesday.

"There was some very brief conversation between him and the attacker," Mr. Andreassi said. "She indicated they were fine."

The young man drove back to his house and told his father he saw a lot of blood. He said Ms. Oskin was lying on the ground near a car and Ms. Conner was sitting in the car.

She wanted unborn child (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05287/588566.stm)

...Sometimes a dead fetus just won't quite satisfy the Prince of Darkness. He is, after all, a very demanding master.

10-14-2005, 08:50 AM
Good-bye

10-14-2005, 08:56 AM
Freeman, get back here!!

That is an order!!

Okay, whatever!!

I'll stay and defend the fort, but I expect some back-up if things get out of hand.

:lol: 8-)

10-14-2005, 08:57 AM
As my husband quite frequently says about me:

"Nobody puts BABY in a box!"

Bouncer
10-14-2005, 10:11 AM
Good point 'bout the subjective value; disposal would be so easy. Then again, maybe he's just "different."
There are markets, esp. in Europe for fetuses and placentas which are referred to as "collagen" after processing. It is used in personal care products and cosmetics.
One of the uses of fetuses by satanists is the making of ritual candles. Such candles are purchased under the counter at witchcraft supply shops and the buyer must know the proper passwords, etc.
Also see:
http://altreligion.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4293934.stm
Regarding the Bogota thing. They were "headed for the United States"; we know they weren't going to Pittsburg because they already have enough.

Marsali
10-14-2005, 10:30 AM
It's so very sad that human fetuses are worth more dead than alive to these groups - the cosmetic industry and satanists. I think the value of human life took a sharp downward turn after Roe vs. Wade.

Bouncer
10-14-2005, 12:56 PM
What's sad is that human life can have any price at all. Every soul is of inestimable value; too bad some have to be tossed out.
Roe v Wade was the "coming out" for the liberal atheists. The undercurrents were running for years beforehand. Consider Crowley's work in California and you can see the beginning of our cultural decay.

freeman
10-21-2005, 10:28 AM
This story just keeps getting curiouser and curiouser...the latest update:

Ex-funeral director held in abuse of baby corpses

Thursday, October 20, 2005
By Jonathan D. Silver, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

As soon as they set foot in the McKeesport garage of a former funeral director, investigators knew they were dealing with death. The odor was awful. And the stacked boxes from which the smell was emanating were clearly labeled as fetal remains.

But it wasn't until the Allegheny County coroner's office opened the boxes that they learned some of the remains were not fetuses. They were actually babies -- 19 in all -- who had been born and had lived for a short time.


Their tiny diapers and caps gave it away.

Yesterday, following a months-long process of poring over medical records and matching remains with cases at Magee-Womens Hospital, Allegheny County Police charged Robert B. Winston Jr. with theft by deception and 19 counts of abuse of a corpse.

Police alleged that Mr. Winston, the onetime owner of Newman-Winston Memorial Chapel, violated a contract with the Oakland hospital to pick up fetal remains and treat them in a "respectful and dignified manner" by having them cremated.

Instead, police said, Mr. Winston stacked boxes of remains in his garage from 1999 through early 2002. In doing so, Mr. Winston earned roughly $9,000 from Magee.

"From what I can tell, Mr. Winston seemed to have been engaged in sort of a slow, downward spiral, financially, personally, professionally. And I think that basically he got into a situation where he got behind and he was never in a position to catch up," Deputy District Attorney Mark Tranquilli said yesterday.

"Obviously, he was in a situation where there was a profit margin there. How much of a profit margin, I don't know," Mr. Tranquilli said yesterday.

(Huh? Since when does a district attorney become an apologist for the defendant he is about to prosecute, especially one accused of such a heinous, bizarre crime?)

The remains were discovered Aug. 26 in the garage of Mr. Winston's former home in the 1800 block of Evans Avenue.

On that day, Winston's ex-wife, Renee Brooks, asked police to force open the garage door, for which she did not have a key, so she could check work files Winston told her he had left there, according to a police affidavit.

Ms. Brooks contacted police after finding a box with 105 unsigned cremation permits. That discovery made her uneasy, the affidavit said, because she knew that the permits were typically signed by a crematory and copies forwarded to the proper authorities.

Once inside, Ms. Brooks and the McKeesport police officers found the fetal remains. It was later determined that there were 27 cardboard boxes holding hundreds of biohazard containers.

Nineteen of the containers held infant corpses, 179 had remains of fetuses older than 16 weeks, 154 held fetal remains under 16 weeks gestation, and 253 had autopsy remains, the affidavit said.

The next day, Allegheny County Police contacted Mr. Winston, who cooperated and was interviewed in the presence of his attorney, James Ecker.

"According to Winston, he had a contract with Magee-Womens Hospital since the year 1993 and that he would collect fetal remains from the hospital as many as three times a week for a fee and have them cremated on a monthly basis," the affidavit said.

"Winston admitted that he stowed away those fetal remains since he fell on financial hard times in the year 2003, and he stated that he placed the remains in the garage at 1830 Evans Ave. since some time in 2004," according to the affidavit.

Neither Mr. Winston nor his attorney provided any further explanation yesterday. The former funeral director turned himself in at the offices of McKeesport District Judge Thomas S. Brletic.

Janet Mrzlack, 40, of the South Side, applauded the criminal charges against Mr. Winston. Mrs. Mrzlack had several miscarriages at Magee from 1999 to 2002 and wondered if any of the remains in the garage were her babies. She said she was told by the coroner that because some of the remains were commingled, she might never know.

"I think that's a good thing," Mrs. Mrzlack said of Mr. Winston's arrest. "He deserves what he gets, and I'm glad that he turned himself in. As for closure, that's not going to happen."

Mr. Winston, 61, standing tall and looking dignified in a navy blue suit and glasses, answered Judge Brletic politely during his arraignment.

In arguing for a reduced bond, Mr. Ecker told Judge Brletic that his client had no criminal record, had an honorable discharge from the military as a sergeant, suffered from a disability and had cooperated with authorities.

Judge Brletic released Mr. Winston on a $100,000 unsecured bond and ordered him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation at the Allegheny County Jail's behavior clinic.

(What? An unconditional bond? In other words, no bond at all if Winston actually shows up for court. How uncharacteristically generous of Judge Brletic, especially in a legal system noted for demanding secured bonds for infractions as simple as drunk driving.)

"He has led an exemplary life until this particular time," Mr. Ecker told reporters after the arraignment, as Mr. Winston stood by his side with a stoic expression. Mr. Ecker added that he hoped his client would be granted a second chance.

Mr. Winston once served on McKeesport's Civil Service Commission, was a member of the local chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People and volunteered for various boards and organizations.

But he has since fallen on hard times. In March 2004, the state Board of Funeral Directors fined Mr. Winston $3,000 and suspended his license for three years. He now lives in public housing. And Mr. Winston's ex-wife initiated divorce proceedings earlier this year. Their divorce was finalized in July. Ms. Brooks had also filed two petitions for protection-from-abuse orders against Mr. Winston in 1999 and 2004.

(Oh yeah, an exemplary life...that just happens to be unraveling in the past few years according to Mr. Winston's own defense strategy...and still no explanation of that mysterious license suspension by the Funeral Director Board. So we have a guy whose ex-wife claims she needed protection from abuse orders during their divorce, was summarily dismissed by his own professional peers, and by his own admission was intentionally negligent in terms of discharging his responsibility to dispose of fetuses and infant corpses, but he is considered no risk and offered unconditional bail bond.
Not to mention how an individual who claims to be living in public housing and was too broke to cremate the corpses he was paid $9000 to destroy can afford one of the Pittsburgh area's foremost leading criminal defense attorneys.)

Mr. Tranquilli said the district attorney's office decided not to charge Mr. Winston with abuse of a corpse in cases of stillbirths or miscarriages. The decision had less to do with concern that the issue was potentially politically sensitive and more to do with taking a pragmatic approach, he explained.

"Rather than muddy the waters up, we decided to go with our common sense. Really, there was very little guidance as far as case law goes. We weren't trying to break new ground," Mr. Tranquilli said. "This was one of those cases where we had 19 confirmed live births. I just think at a certain point you say, 'OK, well, we've got this guy dead to rights.' "

(Sniff, sniff...Hmm, wonder what that odor is I seem to be detecting?
Understand, I'm not following up on this story because I expect any real justice or even a legitimate investigation in this case, but just as an example of how they pull the wool over our eyes every single day...)

A preliminary hearing for Mr. Winston is scheduled for Nov. 7 before Judge Brletic.

(...Where the only legal issues that remain to be resolved are who holds up the corner of the rug and who gets to work the broom.)

Ex-funeral director held in abuse of baby corpses (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05293/591814.stm)

Bouncer
10-21-2005, 12:04 PM
Sure - he be a pillar of the community, as long as you don't count that dead baby thing.

Obviously, denial is contagious.

cuda
10-15-2006, 07:41 PM
so do you supose scott peterson is innocent? there were reports of those accult people in a van you know.

cuda
10-15-2006, 07:42 PM
could scott peterson be innocent? there were reports of those accult people in a van.And the other simular death a little while before .

cuda
10-15-2006, 07:44 PM
couls scott peterson be innocent?there were the reports of the van with cult people and the other killing simular to his wifes.