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Rotunda
02-21-2010, 11:28 AM
Hello,

Do freemasons work towards establishing a one world government? Or do they at least wish for one?

If they do, please give me some masonic sources that speak of masonry's desire to have a one world government, or working towards it. They can be quotes from their official texts, preferably, but anything from masons will be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance!

KSigMason
02-22-2010, 09:53 AM
I've looked through all of my 6-ritual books and I cannot find anything that says we want a One World Government.

I personally hate the notion of a One World Government, the best kind of government is the one that is closest to the people; meaning the State and Local.

BlueAngel
02-22-2010, 04:34 PM
Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order.

You are an outsider.

This is why you can't find any information in your six ritual books about the plans for a "One World Order."

What?

Do you seriously believe that the INSIDERS and architects of the "One World Order" published their plans for outsiders like you to read in your six ritual books?

Ritual books do not contain information about plans for a "One World Order."

They contain information about RITUALS!!!

KSigMason
02-23-2010, 12:37 AM
And you know about these intimate plans of Albert Pike?

BlueAngel
02-23-2010, 09:48 AM
And you know about these intimate plans of Albert Pike?

It ain't a secret and you, being a FREEMASON have absolutely no knowledge of it?

Interesting!

KSigMason
02-23-2010, 10:17 AM
It ain't a secret and you, being a FREEMASON has absolutely no knowledge of it?

Interesting!
If its not a secret how is it that "very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architets of the New World Order"?

Plus, I never said I had no knowledge of it. I asked you how you knew about it.

Ritual books contain a lot of information. I also forgot the Code & Digest (Constitution, By-Laws, and Statutes) that I own for the various bodies I belong to. But that is neither here nor there. You still didn't answer my question.

BlueAngel
02-23-2010, 10:53 AM
If its not a secret how is it that "very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architets of the New World Order"?

Plus, I never said I had no knowledge of it. I asked you how you knew about it.

Ritual books contain a lot of information. I also forgot the Code & Digest (Constitution, By-Laws, and Statutes) that I own for the various bodies I belong to. But that is neither here nor there. You still didn't answer my question.

You're right.

Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of the One World Order.

Let me clarify regarding my comment that it ain't a secret.

It ain't a secret that many people are aware of the fact that in the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about a One World Order.

There.

I answered your question.

Now, answer mine.

Since you have knowledge of the OWO, tell us what you know.

BlueAngel
02-23-2010, 10:57 AM
So, if you found out that as a Freemason, you should support a One World Order and you HATE that notion, would you remain a Freemason?

KSigMason
02-24-2010, 08:26 PM
So, if you found out that as a Freemason, you should support a One World Order and you HATE that notion, would you remain a Freemason?
I would denounce it fervently and I would demit.

BlueAngel
02-24-2010, 10:27 PM
I would denounce it fervently and I would demit.

Inasmuch as Albert Pike, a Freemason, and the architects of the OWO (NWO), which you oppose, are Freemasons, do you denounce Freemasonry and demit?

KSigMason
02-24-2010, 11:04 PM
Inasmuch as Albert Pike, a Freemason, and the architects of the OWO (NWO), which you oppose, are Freemasons, do you denounce Freemasonry and demit?
You have provided me no real proof nor have I seen any evidence of NWO support.

BlueAngel
02-24-2010, 11:15 PM
You have provided me no real proof nor have I seen any evidence of NWO support.

Oh, stop acting like a dumb Freemason.

KSigMason
02-24-2010, 11:34 PM
I hope you don't mind me pulling this quote from the other thread.

I think it's really strange that since Albert Pike, a freemason, wrote the blueprint for the OWO and you denounce the OWO and Albert Pike was a Freemason and, so too, are you, that your signature line contains an Albert Pike quote.

Seems somewhat hypocritical, don't you think?
Which writings does he speak of a one world government? Maybe I missed that writings of his. And also, Albert Pike doesn't speak for all of Freemasonry, just the Scottish Rite. Plus, its a good quote, IMO.

BlueAngel
02-25-2010, 12:09 AM
I hope you don't mind me pulling this quote from the other thread.

Which writings does he speak of a one world government? Maybe I missed that writings of his. And also, Albert Pike doesn't speak for all of Freemasonry, just the Scottish Rite. Plus, its a good quote, IMO.

I don't mind you pulling a quote from another thread, at all.

In fact, I encourage it.

Don't worry.

I won't ban you.

Like I've stated and as my record has proven, I am a very tolerant moderator of this forum.

Yeah.

You missed that writing wherein Albert Pike speaks of a OWO or you're just playing dumb to GOOGLE.

The playing Freemason dumb boy does not become you.

Albert Pike doesn't only speak for the Scottish Rite and, even if he did, it would be the same as speaking for all of Freemasonry.

The Scottish Rite is a Freemasonry organization.

Are you dumb to that fact, too?

On one hand, you pretend not to know anything about Albert Pike, but, then, on the other hand you say he only speaks for the Scottish Rite.

So, which is it?

You have no clue about Albert Pike or you know exactly what he spoke about?

Can't have it both ways.

The Scottish Rite is a part of the Freemasonry organization so for you to try to distance yourself by saying that Albert Pike only speaks for the Scottish Rite is lame.

The Scottish Rite is a Freemasonry organization and you are a Freemason which makes you a part of the Scottish Rite which makes you a part of the OWO.

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction in the United States (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States) often omits the and), commonly known as simply the Scottish Rite, is one of several Rites of the worldwide fraternity known as Freemasonry (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Freemasonry). A Rite is a series of progressive degrees that are conferred by various Masonic organizations or bodies, each of which operates under the control of its own central authority. In the Scottish Rite the central authority is called a Supreme Council.

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction in the United States (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States) often omits the and), commonly known as simply the Scottish Rite, is one of several Rites of the worldwide fraternity known as Freemasonry (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Freemasonry). A Rite is a series of progressive degrees that are conferred by various Masonic organizations or bodies, each of which operates under the control of its own central authority. In the Scottish Rite the central authority is called a Supreme Council.

BlueAngel
02-25-2010, 12:25 AM
the Scottish Rite, is one of several Rites of the worldwide fraternity known as Freemasonry (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Freemasonry)

KSigMason
02-25-2010, 09:52 AM
Okay, I was curious as some sites don't always like crossing threading, so to speak. You are a fair mod.

You missed that writing wherein Albert Pike speaks of a OWO or you're just playing dumb to GOOGLE.

The playing Freemason dumb boy does not become you.
I'm not trying to play dumb, but I'm wondering where in his work he spoke of transforming our civilian government into a NWO (OWO). The only thing I can find on Albert Pike being a supporter is on completely biased and uncredible sites.

Albert Pike doesn't only speak for the Scottish Rite and, even if he did, it would be the same as speaking for all of Freemasonry.

The Scottish Rite is a Freemasonry organization.

Are you dumb to that fact, too?
Albert Pike was primarily a champion of the Scottish Rite. As I've said before, the Scottish Rite is a sub-group of the Masonic organization, its not the hierarchy. It has its own leadership structure of which have no control over any Blue Lodge, York Rite, Shriner, OES, IOJD, DeMolay, and so on. It has control over the Scottish Rite bodies only. If the SGIG of Idaho came into my Lodge he would be subserviant to the orders of the Master of the Lodge. He would be a respected Brother (as he is also a Past Grand Master of my Grand Lodge), but a sideliner nonetheless.

On one hand, you pretend not to know anything about Albert Pike, but, then, on the other hand you say he only speaks for the Scottish Rite.

So, which is it?

You have no clue about Albert Pike or you know exactly what he spoke about?

Can't have it both ways.
I know of Albert Pike and his writings, but I'm unfamiliar with his writings on the NWO.

The Scottish Rite is a Freemasonry organization and you are a Freemason which makes you a part of the Scottish Rite which makes you a part of the OWO.
This is a illogical statement. That's like saying all females are human, therefore all humans are female. I am not a member of the Scottish Rite, but I'm heavily involved in the York Rite.

The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry (the Northern Masonic Jurisdiction in the United States (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/United_States) often omits the and), commonly known as simply the Scottish Rite, is one of several Rites of the worldwide fraternity known as Freemasonry (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/wiki/Freemasonry). A Rite is a series of progressive degrees that are conferred by various Masonic organizations or bodies, each of which operates under the control of its own central authority. In the Scottish Rite the central authority is called a Supreme Council.
Quick note: All the links are broken.

I know about the internal structure of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. I also know that there isn't just one Supreme Council, there are two (Norther and Southern Jurisdiction; although the Northern is smaller than the Southern). Again, if someone from these Supreme Councils came into the Lodge while I was Master of the Lodge and said he was my superior, I would admonish him and remind him of his oaths. If he pressed it to the point of scandal, I would put him up on charges for unMasonic conduct and I would win.

I'm sure you have more, and I'm willing to continue the dance.

BlueAngel
02-26-2010, 10:36 PM
Gee, I wonder why all of the links are broken.

Scottish Rite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite)

You really do appear to be STUPID when you play dumb.

KSigMason
02-28-2010, 12:23 AM
Gee, I wonder why all of the links are broken.
Because they don't exist? Or you input it wrong? I don't know.

Scottish Rite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rite)

You really do appear to be STUPID when you play dumb.
What am I stupid about? You're pulling from a site that is pulling from some other source, and some of those pull from other sources. How about pulling from the direct source? This is one thing that always puzzled me; conspirators always pulling from a source who pulled from another source and so on.

The House of the Temple (http://www.scottishrite.org/where/hq.html), headquarters of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in the Southern Jurisdiction (http://www.scottishrite.org/who/sj.html), is located in Washington, D.C., on Sixteenth Street, NW, between R and S Streets.

SOURCE (http://www.scottishrite.org/)

http://www.scottishrite.org/images/sj-map.jpg
Then there is the Northern Jurisdiction website (http://www.supremecouncil.org/) that says:

There is no higher degree than that of a Master Mason (3˚), but the 29 degrees of the Scottish Rite serve to enrich the philosophy of the Symbolic Lodge. A Mason who chooses to further his Masonic experience by becoming a 32˚ Scottish Rite Mason will be expanding upon the fundamental principles of Freemasonry.
Going back to the Southern Jurisdiction they have a "About Us (http://www.scottishrite.org/prospectives/aboutsr.html)" section:

The Scottish Rite is one of the two branches of Freemasonry in which a Master Mason may proceed after he has completed the three degrees of Symbolic or Blue Lodge Masonry. The other branch is known as the York Rite, consisting of Royal Arch Masons, Royal and Select Masters and the Knights Templar.

kerry
02-28-2010, 01:09 PM
what the heck is a free mason
i did construction all my life and there not free
do you know how much a mason charges for his work

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 07:29 PM
Because they don't exist? Or you input it wrong? I don't know.

The links exist and I didn't input them wrong.

KSigMason
02-28-2010, 09:53 PM
what the heck is a free mason
i did construction all my life and there not free
do you know how much a mason charges for his work
From my Grand Lodge's website (http://idahoaf.am/freemasonry_info.html):

The first question that is usually asked by a non-Mason is, "What is freemasonry?" There are many definitions of the word, but none are complete because the organization embraces a wide scope of activity. By definition, Freemasonry is a fraternal organization, religious in character, based on the principle of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Man which does charitable work in the community and among its members and through its teachings and ceremonies seeks to make good men better and thereby make the world a better place in which to live.

Freemasonry is a "voluntary" association in that no one is ever invited to become a member. Unlike college fraternities and other organizations. Freemasonry never solicits anyone to become a member. As a matter of fact, it is a violation of Masonic law for a member to invite anyone to join the Craft. A prospective member must truly come of his own free will and accord.


Freemasonry is not a religion. Sometimes outsiders claim that the Craft is a religion. Most Freemasons do belong to an established Church. Freemasons do not go to the Lodge to worship God, each Freemason goes to his own church. It is religious, in that one cannot become a Freemason unless he believes in God; but there is no religious test applied to the prospective member, nor is he required or asked to subscribe to any religious tenet or dogma. It is forbidden to discuss religion or politics in the Lodge.


Freemasonry is not a "secret society. " A secret society is one that keeps its existence in secret, and whose members do not make known their affiliation with the group.


Freemasonry is not a secret society because it does not hide its existence, members do not hide their membership; on the contrary, the organization meets in buildings located on public streets, announces its meetings in the newspapers and magazines, engraves the words "Masonic Temple" on many of its buildings, publishes periodicals, and has homes for orphans and the aged Like most organizations, it has some "secrets," but it is not a "secret society."


The links exist and I didn't input them wrong.
So they should work then, but they don't. Hmmmmmmm

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 09:55 PM
From my Grand Lodge's website (http://idahoaf.am/freemasonry_info.html):





So they should work then, but they don't. Hmmmmmmm

Yeah.

I control the internet and its' output.

When links are broken, it's all my fault.

Hmmmmmmmm!

Kindly do away with your Freemson grand lodge website link or I will.

KSigMason
02-28-2010, 10:04 PM
Kindly do away with your Freemson grand lodge website link or I will.
Is it a rule violation to have my source link?

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 10:12 PM
Is it a rule violation to have my source link?

The name of this forum is CLUB CONSPIRACY.

It's not titled "KSigMason's life within the Grand Lodge of Freemasonry."

GO advertise elsewhere.

KSigMason
02-28-2010, 10:25 PM
I was just citing my source to my response to his question about what is Freemasonry.

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 10:37 PM
I was just citing my source to my response to his question about what is Freemasonry.

Oh, okay.

Well, if he wants to read that BS, that's his choice.

You can keep it.

Gosh.

I'm just so fair, aren't I?

KSigMason
02-28-2010, 11:11 PM
I just prefer using direct sources of information than 2nd or 3rd source information sites. That's just me though.

BlueAngel
02-28-2010, 11:20 PM
I just prefer using direct sources of information than 2nd or 3rd source information sites. That's just me though.

Yeah.

We're just so glad that you can provide this forum with direct sources of information regarding Freemasonry from the Grand Lodge Freemsonry site of which you are a member, without a biased nature, because those 2nd and 3rd sources of information to which you refer, whatever they may be, just can't be relied upon according to you.

But, you and your first source can.

We thank you for that and believe everything you say about Freemasonry because you're a member and know all.

Don' know what this forum would do without KSigMason boy.

:eek:

KSigMason
03-01-2010, 08:06 PM
I do what I can.

kerry
03-02-2010, 07:14 PM
does anyone know the freemason secret hand shake

BlueAngel
03-03-2010, 10:17 PM
I do what I can.

Posting on CC, a site that doesn't embrace Freemasonry, really isn't doing much.

But, hey, whatever floats your boat.

KSigMason
03-04-2010, 08:30 PM
Posting on CC, a site that doesn't embrace Freemasonry, really isn't doing much.

But, hey, whatever floats your boat.
Like a row boat in a hurricane.

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 08:31 PM
Like a row boat in a hurricane.

A row boat in a hurricane would not float.

More like a sinking boat.

KSigMason
03-04-2010, 08:33 PM
A row boat in a hurricane would not float.

More like a sinking boat.
Touche

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 08:34 PM
Touche

So, you've acknowledged that you're sinking and not floating.

Very well.

KSigMason
03-04-2010, 08:35 PM
So, you've acknowledged that you're sinking and not floating.

Very well.
In that I haven't changed your mind, yes.

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 08:36 PM
In that I haven't changed your mind, yes.

Changed my mind about what?

KSigMason
03-04-2010, 08:37 PM
Changed my mind about what?
Your opinion of Freemasonry.

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 08:39 PM
Your opinion of Freemasonry.

Why would you waste a minute of your time trying to change my opinion or the opinions of anyone else about Freemasonry?

You must have better things to do, eh?

KSigMason
03-04-2010, 08:46 PM
Why would you waste a minute of your time trying to change my opinion or the opinions of anyone else about Freemasonry?

You must have better things to do, eh?
I hold such a strong belief towards Freemasonry that I come on sites like this and debate. I do have things to do, but that's why I come in spurts and not a daily visitor. In fact, I have drill this weekend so I won't be on here. :(

BlueAngel
03-04-2010, 08:52 PM
I hold such a strong belief towards Freemasonry that I come on sites like this and debate. I do have things to do, but that's why I come in spurts and not a daily visitor. In fact, I have drill this weekend so I won't be on here. :(

We are very aware that you hold a strong belief towards Freemasonry, but I wonder why you feel compelled to spend time on internet forums trying to convince others of the same.

Like, what's the point?

Is it because, in your gut, you don't really hold that strong of a belief about the orgainzation to which you belong so you attempt to validate it to those of us who don't embrace it?

Most people who don't support freemasonry aren't going to be convinced otherwise by anything you say about the organization.

As evidenced here at CC.

Doesn't matter what you say, you can't convert us.

I'm certain your time could be spent in a much more productive fashion instead of wasting it by being the Freemason poster boy of the internet forums.

So, sorry you won't be around this weekend.

The gang and I are going to miss you.

:eek:

Kudo Shinichi
03-28-2010, 10:40 AM
Tony Blair
Pope Benedict
Gordon Brown
George Bush Sr 1
George Bush Sr 2
Russia, Iraq call for fair new world order _English_Xinhua (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/11/content_11166598.htm)
Medvedev, Russia Call for New World Order (http://www.infowars.com/medvedev-russia-call-for-new-world-order/)

TheOctavist
06-08-2010, 11:22 PM
I've been through both the York and Scottish Rites, (no Shriner though) and..

No plans for OWO..