View Full Version : Does schooling do what we think? NO!

02-28-2010, 01:26 AM
Do you think you know?

Do we see it like they want us to?
The schooling system, is where we get worked into society.
By our being schooled, we are being gotten ready, for the workplace.

Are we even being prepared, for the work-a-day world?
Do we really need a grade 10 to 12 education?
For what we do, in the work-a-day world.

I wouldn't know about - higher learning.
Supposedly, those that further their education so,
wouldn't be - where-ever they end up in the work-a-day world - without it.
Trade schools - prepare for certain trades.
Supposedly this can be seen so as well.

For the most part:
Grade 12 education down to grade 8, is where most people finish.
Obviously there's lots of people that go on to University or College.
Less noticeable are people that go to Trade Schools. There, though, eh.

Grade 8 to Grade 12: is where I can speak from.
Here, do we "really" have an education, that amounts to, more than the 3 r's?
I wouldn't think so.

Is there anything from Grade 8 to 12 education, that is relevant, to a job?
Besides the job - outright requiring - such education level.
I wouldn't think so.

Chances are, a "required" education, isn't in the mainstream.
Which would be the populace in general.

Making mention of the schooling above, because -
most people are done by Grade 12.

At this point, schooling doesn't seem to prepare us, for the work-a-day world.
Females becoming typists and stenographers - seems to be different.
Most of these females, probably don't get such jobs.
Obvious such jobs were available, not likely most of them, got such jobs.

I could very well be out of date, nowadays.
They now have - computer courses.
Supposedly, they need to know how to use software programs.
They could be learning this in school, these days. (?)
What's the chances that there is nothing "fishy" to it?
What's the chances that they are jobs for females?
What's the chances the only ones being prepared for the workplace
with grade 12 or less education - are females?

My school days were over in 1972.
My references to "school" would be from 1960 to 1972.
What's the chances that I am "out-dated"?
Easy to think so, BUT have things changed?

Summary so far:
Education up to grade 12: doesn't prepare one for the workplace.
Unless you are a female: and get a job in a office somewhere or cashier,
or even bookkeeper.
Chances are that these females would be in the minority.

Supposedly, preparing us for the workplace, is what schooling does.(?)
Seems unlikely, unless you are a female.
Most of these females, in these courses at school,
probably don't get jobs, in the work-a-day world.
Most females probably get married and don't bother with getting jobs.

Most people are done with getting an education by grade 12.
Unlikely that schooling prepares you for the workplace
unless you are a female
and most females, probably don't bother, getting jobs.

Schooling, otherwise, that prepares you for the workplace,
appears to be: Trade Schools and Universities and Colleges.
The number of people - would appear to be - in the minority.

The 3 r's, is all you "really" know from school, as far as up to grade 12 goes.
Everything else gets forgotten - for the most part.

The only ones - that would retain anything more - go on to higher education.
Where they get prepared for the working world - in their field of learning.
Trade Schools - of course - prepare for the working world -
in a less education way - grade 12 probably not required.

Another Summary:
Up to Grade 12 - schooling doesn't prepare you for the working world,
unless you are a female and most females, probably don't get such jobs.

Schooling, doesn't begin to prepare you, for the working world, until -
you go to a Trade School, University or College,
after you are out of High School - that - most people don't go on to.

Up to Grade 12 - prepared for the working world - by the schooling system -
IS HOW we are worked into Society.

Working us into Society, has nothing to do with - the working world.

The school system - seen as preparing us for the working world -
and by - so doing - we are - worked into Society - IS A FALLACY.

Most of us - do not go - beyond Grade 12.
Females alone, seem to be placeable in jobs from school by this time.
Others would have to go to Trade Schools, Universities and Colleges.
For the school system to be seen as "preparing" you for the workplace.

Is unlikely that your education to Grade 12 - has much - to do with anything,
as far as Trade Schools, Universities and Colleges entered into later go.

Worked into Society, MOSTLY, has nothing to do with, the working world.

Schools, up to Grade 12, don't even prepare us, for the working world.
Unless you are a female. (???)

Being prepared for the workplace - is NOT - being worked into Society.
Preparing us for the workplace - isn't even there - unless you're a female.

SOCIETY - is NOT the workplace.
However: Society does have - its' - affect - on the workplace.

04-20-2010, 12:21 AM
Looks like incoherent babble.

06-11-2010, 08:07 AM
Schooling teaches children to be obedient. To follow orders, to get use to peer pressure, and how to be socialized into the society. It is there to make them obidient citizens and nothing else. The ones that are different get weeded out.

06-12-2010, 10:59 PM
Looks like a poem about how bad the schools are. I do agree though, thanks to the NEA, our schools have become liberal indoctrination centers that care more about multi-culturalism than algebra.

06-12-2010, 11:46 PM
What looks like a poem about how bad the schools are?

Our schools are not liberal.

Thus, the point of the poster to whom you have replied.

Please look up the definition of the word liberal and then get back to us.
The excessive use of commas does make it look like a bad poem, but sorry if the joke was to dry for you.

As for your assertion that the schools are not liberal-leaning....I guess we now know where you sit on the political spectrum.

06-13-2010, 12:06 AM
Conservative ideals certainly are not well represented in public schools, from k-12 and especially in university. Individualism, limited government, non-Keynesian economics are all topics either completely left out or at least neglected. It gets worse at the college level, where conservative speakers are assaulted, if they are even allowed on campus. Yet, you dont think that the culture in education is skewed in a liberal direction? Seems to be willfully obtuse.

Oh, and irregardless is not really a word. I think you meant regardless.

06-13-2010, 12:15 AM
Thanks for responding to my questions with blah, blah and more blah.
That seems to be all you ever say. Must not have the stomach for a free exchange of ideas huh?

06-13-2010, 12:27 AM
Yeah, only ideas that agree with your twisted, sad, delusional worldview.

06-13-2010, 12:41 AM
And BA is childish.

06-13-2010, 12:57 AM
Right. Ever read through any of your postings? They usually go something like this.

Poster 1 will post on a subject

BA will either try to create a Strawman by misrepresenting the persons argument, or simply claim that it is drivel that he/she doesnt understand.

Poster 1, or others will ask what part doesnt make sense

BA will deflect, and usually start in with the namecalling

You rarely post anything original, and if you see someone posting something that disagrees with your ideas, you stalk them, as you have been doing here all night. So, maybe try to think about things instead of going on the attack all the time and being such a &$%t about everything.

06-13-2010, 11:48 AM
For one I would say you are a little outdated seeing as no most woman do get jobs these days and all the more in the governments favour as now everyone more or less is exspected to work. I would say that schools are suited for girls more as girls find it easyer to sit in a class all day working through textbooks and are even labeled as "more mature" at a younger age (but i think it all depends on what your classing as mature) and boys are generaly more fidgety and would ushaly rather be out and about doing practicle things there for get bored and frustrated in class easily which I think is a big component of bad behaviour in class.

Im only 20 and live in the UK where over here you start high school at 11 and leave school at 16 then go to higher ed if you wish. Seeing as I only left 4 years ago ill tell you a little of how I felt through school. Back then I would say I was very naieve and to be hounest I had no real realiseation of how the world worked....actualy ive only just realised simple truths recently. To begin with in high school I got my head down and actualy tried to do well and through out my schooling I was exspected to get farely high marks. Half way through though puberty started to hit and everything (school wise) went down hill. I started smokeing weed which I wouldnt say was a good thing at the time or even now that I still smoke it but I would never diss the drug to much because despite a few bad points from it I know for a fact it has helped open my mind. I started seeing things a little difrently (dont jump the gun and say its because of weed because that is definetly not the key contributer) and ended up feeling unable to conform with the way things where run. I started to feel like the things I was being taught where useless to me and at that rebelius time I started to not give a shit about school and as it turns out i ended up droping out in my last year and to this day I do not hold any qualifications. Thats not to mean I dont have skills, it just means that my skills aint widely accepted within society. Now that I look back dont get me wrong I dont think that droping out of school and such was the right thing to do but I hold no regrets. I think the main problem is that in school everyone is taught the same even though people all learn difrently. I look back at school and I see a production line just like one in a factory kids are pushed through on a convayer belt picking up as much as they can as they go along. Its just a way of seeing how pluged in and ambitious you are. The kids who want it all and get all the high grades go off to higher ed to get the knowledge needed to work the higher paid jobs and then the lower get the average jobs and the ppl at the bootom can pick up whats left. So I think it is right in saying that all school is is prepareing you for the work place. Its rooting you into society.

Nowadays I realy hate school, I think its all done so wrong, kids aint taught the real things they need to know that they may not be geting from there parents. People these days are treated like assets and youl for ever be looked down apon untill you prove that your worth something. That your worth money. If you aint worth money then in this society you are worthless. I say fuck it....No Education, No job and No amount of money will ever make me who I am. Never will I happily bow to a regime of slavery where your kids futures are being sold to the highest bider. This universe is such a beutyfull thing, it realy is, and nothing we ever do on this planet will change that. No job that you can gain will ever change the balance of "nature". No amount of money you have will crave your lust for more. No education you gain within our school systems will ever help you to become a better person, it will never make you become of more value then the man next to you. We are taught from a young age to be ambitious and to want and to want and to want. No matter how hungry you think you are the truth is no amount of money or anything of the like will ever be able to fill you. You will work and you will work and you will die wishing you had worked harder. instead of being taught to take and take we should all learn to give unconditionally....If everyone was to give and to give there would never be a hunger you could not fill together.

...a little bit of my mind stroleing off the toung

06-13-2010, 01:30 PM
BlueAngel, I don't know if your trying to be funny or that you really are constantly wrong in numerous posts, how many different people through various posts through various years will it take before you realise that in fact - YOU ARE WRONG! lol

06-15-2010, 10:08 PM
Glad to know that you are the final arbiter of fact.

06-16-2010, 07:33 AM
Most of what I learned was from after what little schooling I did attend. I learnt more outside of the restrictive academic school environment and more from people who have really experienced life and usually through having to experience tough life experiences.

When you are in a classroom environment, the teacher only wants to teach you what information they have.

Doesn't matter if the information is completely wrong it's a case of what I am teaching you cannot be questioned or debated in any shape or form.

I can't stand totalitarian teaching methods like that. I think students should be able to chose what they want to learn rather than what the education system wants them to learn.

06-16-2010, 05:44 PM
Are you saying that there should be no standards for educational rigor? I guess fewer people will know anything about algebra then lol.

06-16-2010, 08:07 PM
I think there should have more flexibility in what students can chose to do. I actually quite like algebra. I have just started the basics of it recently. Education Certainly needs high standards but it also needs to be flexible to the students needs. Currently that is not the case. Every kid in school is different. Some are brilliant at maths, some are brilliant at sports and then you have kids who are artistic geniuses.

These are all strengths that kids in school can build on and use later in life. What the Education systems of the world need is a special government education program that effects all schools private, public and belief based. That recognizes students greatest skills and helps to build and foster those skills over many ongoing years. Keep the three R's but don't make it mandatory as some people are just not academically minded and lean more towards the tactile studies such as metal work, mechanics, woodwork and/or sports.

06-17-2010, 04:40 PM
I couldnt care less what the kids think, since the reason that they are in school is because they dont know anything, lol. However, I do think that we need more choice in education, preferably though competition and vouchers the way most of Europe does.

Glad you like algebra. I am frankly sick of having to teach my trainees the basics just so they can calculate a simple fuel flow rate.:rolleyes:

06-17-2010, 07:50 PM
It was a bit more than that, but I can see my joke was a little over your head. If children are wise, intelligent, and educated enough to make their own decisions about anything important...why does society exempt them from contracts, voting, and all of the other responsibilities adulthood? It is precisely because they are not capable of making potentially damaging decisions. Sure, their parents should take their opinions into account, but it is the parents job, not the childs, to make the decisions about their education.

06-17-2010, 11:01 PM
My last reply was in response to you BA, and not the OP. Do try to follow the conversation as a thread, wont you?:rolleyes:

06-17-2010, 11:09 PM
Pot calling the Kettle lol. :rolleyes:

06-18-2010, 05:54 PM
Since that came from the one person that misunderstands every comment made, Ill just chuckle at it.

Now, interesting question for you. Do you think that a sixth grader is capable of making educational decisions that will dramatically effect their future progress?

06-19-2010, 07:10 PM
No, but Writer's comments were about children making educational decisions for themselves, and it was that to which I was replying. You have to read the whole thread BA.

06-28-2010, 11:52 AM
Sorry to butt in but I just had to say this about the education system.

It is a monolithic phenomena created by a government and is just as useful as Nazism and Stalinism was as far as teaching people to think for themselves.

At least half of what they teach is completely and utterly wrong anyway and just pure dogma.

It is also part of a self-sustaining system which goes all the way up to university level and professorship. Anyone who questions the academic status quo is automatically failed.

The education system as it stands in our supposedly democratic societies would do just as well in Stalin's Russia and Hitler's Germany.

If there was any question of the government using Mind Control then the education system is the first place to look.

06-29-2010, 12:15 PM
There isn't any DOUBT that Mind Control is deployed in various ways, shapes and forms within many institutions, industries, etc. which affects the population at large (i.e., social engineering).

I would; however, advise that your use of the word "government" in describing those who MIND CONTROL the population as inappropriate.

It is not a "government" who controls the world.

A government is to be described as for the people; of the people and by the people.

Those who deploy mind control upon the masses are none of the above.

Therefore, they can be described as a criminal organization and not a government.

I agree there are probably many forms of mind control deployed by a shadow goverment, its just that many forms of this control are fairly 'benign' (for the want of a better expression) and therefore to some extent socially acceptable.

Its also interesting to observe that many in the teaching profession are Communists, Socialists or Trostkyite. If you look at the professions of these radical left-wingers almost all of them are either teachers or local government employees.

But I'm afraid there is probably worse than that among the teaching profession. And I am thinking of criminals and child molesters. Look at the many allegations that have been made about teaching staff over the years which have been upheld. Teachers who have supplied guns to pupils, teachers who have murdered pupils in a mad rage, and nursery school supervisors who have indecently assaulted toddlers.

So much responsibility is placed in the hands of teachers and other child minders by the parents that the children aren't really listened to if they voice any complaints. It is more or less routine that children have to put up with verbal abuse and humiliation from teachers which would include slander and libel.

Why is it unacceptable to treat an adult like this but for children its okay?

07-01-2010, 12:18 PM
What the hell are you talking about?


"Look at the many allegations that have been made about teaching staff over the years which have been upheld. Teachers who have supplied guns to pupils, teachers who have murdered pupils in a mad rage."

"HUH" to the above which you have posted and to the below, as well.

"Mind control is socially accepted and benign."

Obviously, you are clueless on many fronts.

Well fine BlueAngel.

However you forgot to specify what exactly it was you had a problem with.

07-04-2010, 09:29 AM
I did not forget to specify exactly what it is that I have a problem with regarding your post.

The excerpt I provided from your comment was explicity clear as to that which I have a problem with regarding your comment.

Further, to say that mind control is socially accepted and benign is ridiculous.

When a society, at large, or an individual is subjected to "mind control," they are unaware.

Hence, the words "mind control."

Therefore, they do not accept it.

Their minds are being controlled void of "free will."

Furthermore, mind control is not benign.

It is a dis-ease that affects all of humankind.

You can thank the MIND CONTROLLERS for that.

They've worked long and hard to keep everyone under their spell.

Again you misquoted me.

I never said, "Mind control is socially accepted and benign." I was only suggesting that some forms were.

I lose patience.

For example 'brain washing' is a form of 'mind control' but in Chinese Medicine where the term originally came from brain washing is considered to be good for you.

I don't know if you were able to follow that?

Not all forms of 'mind control' are necessarily that detrimental to peoples' well-being and are in no way based upon the inducing of traumatic experiences.

It could be argued that television advertisers are attempting to use mind control since their aim is to convince you that their particular product is the best around and is good for you etc, etc. which might not be the case at all. They're simply trying to trick you into thinking that.

Salesmen can also use forms of hypnotic mind control. They repeat the same thing over and over again while never losing eye contact and some sales people claim they could sell absolutely anything to absolutely anyone given the inclination.

Captain Panda
11-25-2010, 02:52 PM
Pre-school is to prepare us for elementary school...
Elementary school is to prepare us for Middle school...
Middle school is to prepare us for highschool...
Highschool is to prepare is for college..
College is to prepare us for the "real world"

Usually in schools, they tell kids if you don't go to college you won't make it in the real world. When you go to college you earn more money, you live a better life, and you get a better job. So I've been told...

I'll continue this later, I have turkey to eat! :D

05-07-2011, 01:07 AM
Schooling teaches children to be obedient. To follow orders, to get use to peer pressure, and how to be socialized into the society. It is there to make them obidient citizens and nothing else. The ones that are different get weeded out.

Yaah !!!!! Its so good thought.........I like that...thanks for sharing....

good luck !!!!

with regards...