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Draken
08-28-2005, 03:42 PM
<a href="http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/a-fig.htm">Official Auschwitz figures!
Which figure must we believe by law? Which figure is not considered holocaust denial? Which figure is not considered anti-Semitic? Which figure is not considered hate?</a>

freeman
09-15-2005, 02:41 PM
What the heck, I've already roiled the waters today, so I might as well jump into this one, too.
After all of the propaganda and counter-propaganda disseminated on this issue, I have no idea what the real Holocaust numbers should be, and I doubt whether I could estimate them within a million;however, this general trend seems to emerge: As one searches further and further away from mainstream sources, a much more compelling case is made to support the notion that the Holocaust casualties have been overstated for Jewish victims and grossly understated for everyone else, especially the six million or so Germans exterminated by Uncle Joe Stalin after the war.
I would be extremely curious to see how a prosecution might be attempted against someone who pursues the cause of Holocaust denial. From what I've observed so far with Ernst Zundel, no one who challenges the official Holocaust figures is likely to get a legitimate chance to present a defense in open court.
And that alone is curiously suspicious.

nomad
09-15-2005, 03:08 PM
A better strategy for Zundel would be to focus

on how many Christians were killed by Jews and

sue retroactively for losses.

Draken
09-15-2005, 04:22 PM
It seems that the thing courts focus on is not whether a "Holocaust denier" is actually telling the truth, but that it's against the law to question the official story!

Ted Pike quotes in this <a href="http://www.infowars.com/clips.html">documentary clip</a> a winner of an ADL sponsored nationwide law student competition in writing a modern anti-hate law in America, a Joseph Ribakoff:

"Any person, persons or organization that publicly shows a film or a movie before it has been submitted and reviewed by the agency shall have committed a misdemeanor."

Hence, it would be a crime to criticize an identifiable group, and crimes need state agencies for monitoring, censoring and enforcing these laws.

Ted Pike says later in the clip:

"But surely you may say if the accused can defend the truth of their statements in court he should have nothing to fear. Forget it! For Ribakoff the criteria for guilt of innocence is not truth. Rather, if one verbally humiliates those who have been given federal status as members of a protected group, then group libel has occured. This is what he (Ribakoff) means when he says "regulating group defamation is status based, not content based..." The truth of that content of that so-called libel does not matter. It will not be admitted as evidence in court.

freeman
09-15-2005, 05:05 PM
It seems that the thing courts focus on is not whether a "Holocaust denier" is actually telling the truth, but that it's against the law to question the official story!

Exactly. Because then you don't have to let the individual defend himself in court and possibly expose the truth.
All illegal, immoral and highly unconstitutional.
The Thought Police.
Funny how "group defamation" of Christianity never seems to sound any alarm bells...oh, now I see:
"regulating group defamation is status based
...since when do Christians have any status in this brave new world?

nohope187
09-15-2005, 06:21 PM
I have absolutely no idea what the real figures are, but I'm guessing that they were overstated for Jews to conveniently put the Anti-semetic term into use and that there were probably much more of other people than Jews killed that was unreported.

truebeliever
09-16-2005, 01:01 AM
I have always believed that Hitler and his backers were mass murderers in "absoloute" terms.

In the terms of "context" of the day and the threat posed on Western European culture by a rabbid dog political system to the East...Hitler was fully justified.

I have yet to come to a basic conclusion. Perhaps I never will.

There are many historians who I would say write very fairly on Hitler and exibit some admiration for him on the political and military level. They will not dispute that the "Sonderkommando" and "Einzatsgruppen" who roamed the rear areas existed and were viscious thugs.

I have read letters from Generals and Privates alike complaining of the arbitrary nature of the reprisals by the rear area police...mostly staffed by locals as many Germans could not serve in them...they committed suicide or deserted. Usually avoiding punishment when caught as it was considered a terrible job.

And this is the point. Throught the "historical record" on the one hand the Germans are viscious thugs ripping babies from mothers arms and striking their heads against rail road cars and on the other hand Himmler is writing letters complaining they cannot get any Germans to do the dirty work. So we are supposed to believe this was the reason for the "gas chambers".

A country that made "Sarin" in the thirties must resort to "pellets" of "pesticide" that majically turn into "cyanide gas" when dropped through a hole in the roof of buildings that dont actually have holes in their roofs according to Allied reconnasence photo's of the day.

I used to work with "pure" crystalline cyanide in the mining industry. We used to drop 1 ton pallets of the stuff and spread it all over the ground occassionally by accident. We'd shovel it back in by hand...in a suit and respirator with people standing ten feet away watching with only normal work clothes on. If they got smart i'd throw chunks at them. Real deadly?

And what of the hundreds of exposed holocaust survivor frauds?

What of the walking skeletons? I thought they got frog marched to gas chambers? Why were they still hanging around?

What of the marches to other camps? Why not just shoot them?

The list of inconsistencies are SO GREAT that I left with the undeniable conclusion that the cheif prosecution witness is completely full of shit.

The vast majority of the claims were from Uncle Joe. The Allies had backed a mass murdering tyrant. Better to make this as justified by claiming you were fighting an even more evil tyrant.

That Jews suffered I have no doubt. As did many others.

Hitler needs to be rehabilitated to the status of mere mortal so we can understand the dynamics of WW2 and the forces at work.

Obviously the forces at work do not want this to happen so we are stuck with Hitler as devil incarnate...and Uncle Joe as - hard, but fair.

Draken
09-16-2005, 01:22 AM
VERY relevant site for this discussion.

<a href="http://www.cwporter.com/">The Website of Carlos Whitlock Porter</a>

Draken
11-12-2005, 06:29 AM
<a href="http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v15/v15n6p36_Weber.html">Important [Auschwitz] Documents Found in Moscow Archives</a>

Searching in Russian archives through tens of thousands of long-suppressed documents, two revisionist historians have dug up revealing German documents confiscated by the Soviets and kept secret for decades. Swiss educator Jürgen Graf and Italian author [/b]Carlo Mattogno[/b] together made two lengthy research visits in Russia in 1995, the second lasting four weeks. Each is the author of several revisionist works dealing with the Holocaust issue, and both spoke at the 12th (1994) IHR Conference.

In the Archives of the Russian Federation, Graf and Mattogno found voluminous records about Auschwitz and other German concentration camps liberated 50 years ago by Soviet forces. These include Russian-language eyewitness reports and investigative documents, and reports by Soviet investigative commissions, as well as some German documents confiscated from various camps (but not Auschwitz). Graf and Mattogno photocopied about 1,000 pages of documents from these Moscow archives, which are now being evaluated and translated.

70,000 Pages Screened

The team carried out much more extensive research at the Central State Special Archives on Viborg street, located in an outer area of the Russian capital. Among the voluminous original German records stored there are tens of thousands of pages from Auschwitz camp alone. Here Graf and Mattogno spent nearly every day of their visit screening an estimated 70,000 pages of Auschwitz records.

Less than five percent of these documents are of relevant interest, Graf estimates. They spent little time, for example, going through the 100-page file of construction records of horse stables at Auschwitz, or the 300 pages concerning the payroll of camp gardeners.

At a cost of one dollar per page, Graf and Mattogno photocopied more than 3,000 pages of Auschwitz documents from these Archives. Their investigations are far more extensive than the modest researches there by Prof. Gerald Fleming and Jean-Claude Pressac, two major anti-revisionist Holocaust researchers. As their signatures on the control sheets show, they saw perhaps 50 of the 650 dossiers there. (It was in this same Viborg street archives where British historian David Irving located the handwritten diaries of Minister Joseph Goebbels for his new biography of the wartime propaganda minister. See "Revelations from Goebbels' Diary," in the Jan.-Feb. 1995 Journal.)

A Preliminary Evaluation

From the outset Graf and Mattogno assumed that they would probably not find anything of really sensational importance.

Any documents confirming gas chamber killings or an extermination program certainly would have long ago been triumphantly heralded. Similarly, any documents showing clearly that no prisoners were killed in gas chambers, or which disprove the existence of a wartime German extermination program, would probably have been removed or destroyed.

All the same, they did find documents that conflict with the orthodox extermination story. One refers specifically to a "delousing chamber for crematory II" ("Entlausungskammer für ein Krematorium") in Birkenau. This document apparently clarifies the real meaning of one or more of Pressac's so-called "criminal traces," as well as of the widely-cited letter of Jan. 29, 1943 that refers to a "gassing cellar" ("Vergasungskeller") in Birkenau crematory II. It is often claimed that this must be a reference to a homicidal gas chamber. (See A. Butz' "Some Thoughts on Pressac's Opus," in the May-June 1993 Journal, pp. 27-31, 35 [n. 23].) This long-suppressed German document, which was overlooked by Fleming and Pressac, suggests instead that this "gassing cellar" was installed to save life, by killing typhus-bearing lice.

Also found were documents showing the roster of sick and chronically sick people at Birkenau over extended periods. According to the extermination story, of course, all such persons were immediately put to death as unfit for work. Other documents confirm the strict rules that prohibited SS camp personnel from mistreating Auschwitz prisoners.

Additional documents unearthed by Graf and Mattogno establish that remarkably large numbers of prisoners were released from Auschwitz. (This is in addition to prisoners who were transferred to other camps.) During just a few days in June and July 1944 alone, 186 short-term prisoners were set free. (Over the entire period of the camp's existence, there must have been thousands.) Most of these were Poles who had been sentenced to "re-education by labor" at Birkenau for terms of four to ten weeks for breaking employment contracts. After serving their sentences, says Graf, these prisoners returned to their factories. Nothing has so far been published anywhere about these large-scale prisoner releases. As Graf notes, if many tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews were actually killed in Auschwitz in May-June 1944, as alleged, the released prisoners could easily have told the world about it.

Numerous valuable documents relating to the Auschwitz crematories were also found, says Mattogno, who is sorting out and evaluating them.

Incidentally, an enormous quantity of confiscated German documents dealing with other areas are also held in the Central State Special Archives. These include, for example, about 9,000 pages of records of the wartime Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories. Such documents may shed new light on key aspects of Second World War history. Unfortunately, the future of these archival treasures is uncertain.

Not Found

Graf and Mattogno searched in vain for Soviet wartime aerial reconnaissance photographs of the Auschwitz area, including research at the former Soviet military archives in Podolsk, east of Moscow. They similarly failed to turn up records detailing deliveries of coke to the Auschwitz crematories in 1944 -- documents that would finally nail down the maximum number of corpses that could have been cremated in the facilities there. Perhaps these records are located in one of the ten or twelve other archives in Europe where scattered Auschwitz documents are stored.

As a result of these two 1995 research visits (which were financed by sympathetic friends), says Graf, "we now know not only what documents are in these two archives, but also what documents are not there. That's also important." Carlo Mattogno is working on a detailed study of the German camp crematories, to be published in 1996 in Italy, as well as on a specialized treatment of the "gas chambers," which he hopes to publish in 1997.

Overlord
11-12-2005, 07:32 AM
It's not merely a numbers game. The fact that the Russian people and the German people historically have not been able to have their loss recognized, does not mean that the Jewish people must hide their sense of grief and the unfathomable pain they must have suffered.

Russia has suffered under the tyrant rule of Tsardom for a millenia at least, and J Stalin happened to have access to the most efficient killing machine of them all. But under Putin the Russian people are still threatened and opressed, as we all know. They have not been able to have their loss acknowledged still. Just like the German people who are just now starting to come to terms with their past as the destroyer of Europe. They have not had any right to grieve, obviously. Perhaps not a very just and reasonable effect but still, understandable.

As all historians know, their science is being written by the winners. It is an ever evolving science and the further away from the event, the more one can detached from emotions, observe the overall structure of events. Details disappear and the bigger schemes stand out. WWII is still a recent event in our history. There is little point in arguing about numbers until we understand the situation from where the continued strife originates.

Draken
11-12-2005, 09:54 AM
As all historians know, their science is being written by the winners. It is an ever evolving science and the further away from the event, the more one can detached from emotions, observe the overall structure of events. Details disappear and the bigger schemes stand out. WWII is still a recent event in our history.

Exactly, Overlord.
So let's look at who's written Tsarist Russian history lately: that's right, the Freemasons and the Bolsheviks - the very same destructive, materialist forces of Darkness that conspired to and succeeded in destroying the holy Tsarist Russian Tradition. (Along with the rest of the Traditional European sovereign monarchies.) They are the winners in the battle against the Russian Orthodox Tradition.

The myth of Tsarist Russia being little better than Joseph Stalin and his Bolshevik butchers is another big deception honest historians have to shed light on before we can defend the "popular uprising" against the "evil tsar" that the Bolshevik Satanists are painted out as by those very historians you so accurately point out to be on the winning side, leaving us on the losing side.

There are people with a different view of history, as this book suggests:

<a href="http://www.barnesreview.org/Third_rome/third_rome.html">The Third Rome: Holy Russia, Tsarism and Orthodoxy</a> http://www.barnesreview.org/Third_rome/Thrid_rome_large.gif



BY M. RAPHAEL JOHNSON, PH.D.
EDITOR, THE BARNES REVIEW

• Was Ivan the Terrible Really a “Mad Butcher?”
• Wasn’t Emperor Paul a “monster?”
• Was Tsarist rule completely “unlimited?”
• Was the peasantry under serfdom oppressed?
• Who financed the Bolsheviks?
• Did the Tsars really represent the Russian people?
• Where did Russian Liberalism actually come from?
• How should patriotic Americans view
Christian Orthodoxy and Tsarism?

Just in time for the 300th anniversary of Petrograd, a new book on pre-Bolshevik Russian history has been published in English. It is a defense of royalism from Kievan Rus’ until the abdication of Tsar Martyr Nicholas II at the end of World War I. For English speaking readers, it is the only published account of Tsarist Russia that succeeds in demolishing the arguments of the kept Anglo-American historians on the “evils” and “tyranny” of the Tsarist government. on all the major work on Russian history in English over the last 50 years, this work is a concise defense of Tsarism and the notion of Orthodox Russia. Just after the “History Channel’s” hatchet job on the Romanovs recently ran on American television, referring to the Tsars as “butchers” and “tyrants,” this new book could not be more useful.

Overlord
11-19-2005, 06:36 PM
Sounds like a lot of revisionist fantasies to me, sir Draken.

You might not be so familiar with Russian history (I suggest reading several very prominent historians of Muscovite thought - Nina Borisovna Golikova, Aleksandr Panchenko, A. P. Bogdanov, or perhaps Sergei Vladimirovich Bakhrushin, for instance, but there are others..) or perhaps you consider the concept of "punishable slander" to be acceptable in a benign state. This was well recorded in still existing documents all over Russia and over the ages, well before the 17th century. Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.


Civilizations contain upheaval you see, also the christian religion is responsible for the "evil overturn" of Rome, as some would have it, the destruction of that beautiful creation of cultural macdonaldification, terror and war. In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.

If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.

But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule? The mere thought is absurd. And we can see it happen everywhere today. Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies, hellbent on saving the sacred capital punishment and handing over the destruction of our environment to raving oilcompanies.

11-19-2005, 07:25 PM
The divine right of kings is the same as the divine right of corporations. People do not want to take sole responsibility for themselves. They want a ruling family no matter how absurd. This is part of the human makeup and the thing that frightens people the most is when they get what they have asked for. The dreams built upon this desire are seen for what they really are. The future is not to the human, but to the post human and the embryo of this is here now. Capitalism, socialism, communism, all the same inability to face the fact that the human race for the most part is a failure. A better inhabitant for this creation is needed and what better justice for it to spring from the loins of a pompous, greedy, arrogant failure.

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 08:00 PM
Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.

Quite right OVERLORD.

Lets think together. To solve this problem why dont we finance a revoloution to free the oppressed masses...oh, i forgot. They already did it and it worked out real well.:-D

It reminds me of Socrates and his execution. Plato was distraught and blamed "Athenian Democracy" for the murder of his venerated Master.

From their Plato decided that the stupid peasants could not be trusted and only an Elite Class...Plato's "Philosopher Kings" could possibly have the right qualities to rule. Plato forgot however that Athens was not perfect but Socrates did manage to annoy people for MANY years before people got sick of him. In Sparta down the road, he would have been killed immediately.

So yes, the Tsarists wer'nt perfect but you still had some leeway. Even today in Russia...speak your mind and some ex-Spetnaz Special Forces will gun you down on the street. Such is the economic freedom the Russian people enjoy yet again. Who would EVER want to go back to the stability of the Tsar?

In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.

Please, point out the evil that is Christs word? It's a rhetorical question actually. Their is none. The Churches are a seperate matter. Make the distinction.

If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.

That is an absurdly ridiculous statement that can be turned instantly on you and makes debate and the finding of truth impossible. I thought you a reasonably clear thinker. For Gods sake. Get a freakin grip.

But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule?

They say some are "born to sing". "Born to dance". "Born to surf". "Born to make money". "Born to stupidity". I am not so sure that there are not people "born to rule". I have not yet made up my mind on the matter.

Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies...

No, there is a big difference between "monied power" and the "born to rule" based on tradition and community values espoused by DRAK.

You need to brush up on your definitions and be MORE specific. You prattle like old people fcuk. Very boring. I'm sorry but you are not worthy. This forum is not an Ickian Reptile hating site. There are intelligent people here. You are being energised by the Banker financed neo-con (read Bolshevick) pretend "right". The soloution is a one world government run by the U.N. It is ALL here on this site if you will take the time to read.

You are the boriongly predictable product of the Globalist agenda and are "reacting" in EXACTLY the way they want.

I am bored of debating with people like you. I'm sorry. You are in high school now and I do NOT want to go over grade 2 mathematics with you.

Get back to me when you've done some more broarder reading and thinking.

Best.


Also...we need to clean up the Neo Cons and their true nature...

What Is A Neo-conservative?

The exact opposite of a conservative. Neo-conservatives are the Bolsheviks of the Right. Like the Bolsheviks, they appear in restrained groups driven by a simple idology. They seek practical ways to acheive real power in order to make revoloutionary changes. These "practical ways" usually involve creating a misunderstanding over the "revoloutionary changes" to follow.

The first step in the advancement of a Bolshevik movement is the establishement of intellectual respectability. This was acheived by hiring bevies of academic consultants to lay out a marginal idea - that the West could revert to the rough capitalism of the 19th century - as if it were not only an historic nescessity but a natural inevitability. Their determinism literally mimmicked the Marxists. What a few years before had been marginal nonsense was now driven home as received wisdom by right wing newspaper columnists.

The second stage involved a series of coups d'etat within established conservative parties, beginning with those of Britian, the United States and Canada. The movement was then able to enter elections disguised as conservative renewal. They won power with the support of an electorate which would be among the first to suffer from their policies - the middle and lower middle classes.

The third step again mimmicked the Bolsheviks. This was the key to destabilising the opposition - including the now confused and captive conservatives - in order to win re-election. They redefined the political spectrum so that their marginal ideas occupied all of the territory from the extreme right to the center. This left many conservatives redefined as dangerous Liberals (the Wets, moderate Republicans and radical Tories). The Liberals suddenly resembled socialists and the socialists, communists. In other words, the great mainstream which had presided over the remarkable rise of the West was squeezed over to the marginal edge of public debate.

Since the essential characteristics of Neo-Conservatism are revoloutionary, it was perfectly natural for them to begin by disguising their actions behind reassuring phrases. What they believe is that wholesale change in structures is the only way to change society. Continuity, careful progress and memory are their enemy. However, to admit this in the early stages of holding power is to risk losing it. Eventually they felt free to turn on those who rejected their ideas of change and tar them as cowards.

With hindsite it can be seen that the movement was and remains a paradoxiacal mixture of silly abstract ideology andcrude self interest. The Neo-conservative recipe for public action seemed to have been drawn directly from that of Mussolini, which turned on praise of free enterprise, insistence on the need to reduce beauracracy, suggestions that unemployment relief was part of the economic problem, sotto voce hints that social inequalities should be increased not removed, and an aggressive foreign policy.

By the early 1990's they had so successfully redrawn the intellectual map that whenever Liberals returned to power they spent their time mouthing Neo-conservative formulae. At the same time, a growing number of political parties appeared who were openly corporatist or Mussolinian. Thanks to the respectability given their ideology by the Neo-conservatives they could present themselves as moderate conservative reformers. They began to make serious political inroads in Canada, the United States, Germany and, of course, Italy. There, three parties drawn from the Mussolini mould triumphed in the 1994 general elction. No Neo-conservative movements elswhere in the West expressed dispair or concern.

All of this explained why the Neo-conservatives treat cynicism as a sign of wisdom. It is not unreasonable to place them amongst the last true MArxists, since they believe in the inevitability of class warfare, which they are certain they can win by provoking it while they are in power.

John Raulston Saul. The Doubters Companion: A Dictionary Of Aggressive Common Sense. p.220

Though a rabid Secular Humanist (who sometimes mentions God:-?), I cannot recommend Sauls books enough.

Includes-

"The Unconscious Civilization".

"Voltairs Bastards".

11-19-2005, 08:36 PM
truebeliever wrote:
Where a citizen was accused of slandering the Tsar, he was forced to, in court, repeat the slander, then promptly have his tongoue cut off and exiled to Siberia. In some rare cases execution was meted out. Perhaps this is considered benign, but I would argue differently. At the same time denizens of Tsarist Russia hallowed not the individual but the position of Tsar, just like in Japanese civilization.

Quite right OVERLORD.

Lets think together. To solve this problem why dont we finance a revoloution to free the oppressed masses...oh, i forgot. They already did it and it worked out real well.:-D

It reminds me of Socrates and his execution. Plato was distraught and blamed "Athenian Democracy" for the murder of his venerated Master.

From their Plato decided that the stupid peasants could not be trusted and only an Elite Class...Plato's "Philosopher Kings" could possibly have the right qualities to rule. Plato forgot however that Athens was not perfect but Socrates did manage to annoy people for MANY years before people got sick of him. In Sparta down the road, he would have been killed immediately.

So yes, the Tsarists wer'nt perfect but you still had some leeway. Even today in Russia...speak your mind and some ex-Spetnaz Special Forces will gun you down on the street. Such is the economic freedom the Russian people enjoy yet again. Who would EVER want to go back to the stability of the Tsar?

In my opinion christianity is no better than any other revolutionary force, whatever we call them.

Please, point out the evil that is Christs word? It's a rhetorical question actually. Their is none. The Churches are a seperate matter. Make the distinction.

If one loves and adores the pomp and circumstance that is fascistic rule (which in essence is what Monarky is) then one will surely find literature supporting that view. It is incorrect but nevertheless, it is there.

That is an absurdly ridiculous statement that can be turned instantly on you and makes debate and the finding of truth impossible. I thought you a reasonably clear thinker. For Gods sake. Get a freakin grip.

But does it really make sense to any sane person that someone is BORN to rule?

They say some are "born to sing". "Born to dance". "Born to surf". "Born to make money". "Born to stupidity". I am not so sure that there are not people "born to rule". I have not yet made up my mind on the matter.

Surely that is the reasoning behind the empowerement of G.W.Bush and similar incompetent gunworshipping loonies...

No, there is a big difference between "monied power" and the "born to rule" based on tradition and community values espoused by DRAK.

You need to brush up on your definitions and be MORE specific. You prattle like old people fcuk. Very boring. I'm sorry but you are not worthy. This forum is not an Ickian Reptile hating site. There are intelligent people here. You are being energised by the Banker financed neo-con (read Bolshevick) pretend "right". The soloution is a one world government run by the U.N. It is ALL here on this site if you will take the time to read.

You are the boriongly predictable product of the Globalist agenda and are "reacting" in EXACTLY the way they want.

I am bored of debating with people like you. I'm sorry. You are in high school now and I do NOT want to go over grade 2 mathematics with you.

Get back to me when you've done some more broarder reading and thinking.

Best.

HOW SHOULD A BORING PRODUCT OF THE GLOBALIST AGENDA REACT IN YOUR OPINION.

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 08:40 PM
Just out of courtesy to you i thought you might want to know...

I consider you a pure, boring, contrite cockhead and will not converse with you.

Do not insult someone (medical ghost writer thread) and think that they will direct their valuable intellectual and two digit typing energies your way.

If i desire i will clean the floor with you on wit alone. If able, i would bitch slap you physically till you could'nt remember your name.

Now piss off.

There will be no more conversing with you nutter.

11-19-2005, 08:46 PM
NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 08:53 PM
NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.

Correct spelling is "you're" and "knowledged".

I may well play with you. There is a terrible streak to the Scorpio nature. When faced with wounded prey in need of sympathy, the Scorpio dark side comes out and only complete destruction of you're enemy seems right.

I will ask God to correct this debased animal side in me and see if I can raise myself above the level of beast.

P.S You have the "caps lock" on.

P.P.S Out of sympahy i will include a post entitled "TB's Special Thread For Dummies".

11-19-2005, 09:01 PM
truebeliever wrote:
NO COURTESY FROM AN INSIPID LONG WINDED RN IS REQUIRED BY US. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO IGNORE US. SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND DO AS YOU WERE ORDERED. YOU PLAY WITH THE WRONG ONES. NOW GET BACK TO YOU OVER KNOWLEDGES ANSWERS TO THE WORLDS PROBLEMS.

Correct spelling is "you're" and "knowledged".

I may well play with you. There is a terrible streak to the Scorpio nature. When faced with wounded prey in need of sympathy, the Scorpio dark side comes out and only complete destruction of you're enemy seems right.

I will ask God to correct this debased animal side in me and see if I can raise myself above the level of beast.

P.S You have the "caps lock" on.

P.P.S Out of sympahy i will include a post entitled "TB's Special Thread For Dummies".

JUST IGNORE US AS YOU WERE TOLD TO DO.

truebeliever
11-20-2005, 08:11 AM
DRAK: Did'nt alot of Germans immigrate to Russia under a female ruler?

11-20-2005, 11:28 AM
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Overlord
11-20-2005, 02:08 PM
The person with the Yoda-sign is very quick on the trigger. It is frightening indeed.

I got the distinct impression that there was a disturbance in the force on this site and now it has been revealed.

When an individual commences an outburst about wit and mental prowess, it is indeed a taunt that must be ignored.

That this individual is unaware of the historical discussions around fascism, monarchy, religion and similar delusions of old civilizations does not mean that I personally presume to forehold the stupid and meaningless term "globalization" as some kind of utopian method of world-solution. I don't.

Capitalism and Liberalism are also failed and miserable systems, this we know by theory and practical experiment.

STOP your assumtion that you have an enemy. I am NOTHING of what you accuse me of. Your anger is just going to make you angrier.

Also, I think this kind of language we're using is extremely childish. It is used only by individuals that are feeling unseen and unheard.

truebeliever
11-20-2005, 04:49 PM
Forgive the tone OVERLORD.

Now that i'm working 6 days a week i must not beat around the Bush...though i may beat him directly. :-D

11-20-2005, 05:00 PM
What in God's name is wrong with Austria? You arrest historian Truedeceiver for exercising his right to freedom of stupidity

This is tyranny! I will boycott all products made in Austria until Truedeceiver is fired again.

truebeliever
11-20-2005, 05:05 PM
You know i'm actually laughing! :-D

11-20-2005, 05:15 PM
Official Auschwitz figures!
http://www.ety.com/HRP/rev/a-fig.htm

truebeliever
11-21-2005, 08:26 AM
That this individual is unaware of the historical discussions around fascism, monarchy, religion and similar delusions of old civilizations does not mean that I personally presume to forehold the stupid and meaningless term "globalization" as some kind of utopian method of world-solution. I don't.

O.K. Now kindly, point by point...point out the problems with my points.

I am getting sick of these pathetic reply's. It's a robust forum. Lets get cracking.

It's nothing personal...as Kissinger is apt to say to 11 year old Thia boys.

igwt
11-21-2005, 09:07 AM
http://www.nazis.testimony.co.uk/7.gif

cuda
10-15-2006, 07:59 PM
speaking of hate crime. joan rivers says mel gibson should die for what he is supose to have said in the second police report (not the first police report that didnt mention any thing about him saying anything) isnt that a hate crime? Or thought crime ?And if he is killed will she be charged with inspiring his death? Or is it not possible to commit a hate crime to a white christion male? But i would like to add that the one million german soldjers that the french and americans killed in there camps were probably not related to anything like a holocaust either i supose.And is david cole still alive ? Sure would have liked to get all four hours of his film. I saw the first part and cant find it again.

cuda
10-15-2006, 08:07 PM
like to add .you can always tell a liberal communist.They use a lot of big words and make it sound intelligent but it always says nothing and has no point and aims to accuse the other.

cuda
10-15-2006, 08:12 PM

cuda
10-15-2006, 08:21 PM
igwt are you sure thats not a book approved for our childrens school house conditioning?lol if it has all those approvals of the pc alites id say its aproved reading. Snyder is jewish isnt it?