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The Poet
03-15-2010, 08:13 AM
Have you ever wished you coudl know what this was all about?

Do you think modern society makes life more meaningful or less? It seems everyone is on anti-depressants today. If life is so wonderful, how come so many of us need pills to just LIVE?

Creed says it best:

YouTube - Creed - What's This Life For

What's This Life For
Hurray for a child
That makes it through
If there's any way
Because the answer lies in you


They're laid to rest
Before they know just what to do
Their souls are lost
Because they
could never find

What's this life for
What's this life for
What's this life for

I see your soul, its kinda grey
You see my heart, you look away
You see my wrist, I know your pain
I know your purpose on your plane

Don't say a last prayer
Because you could never find

What's this life for
What's this life for
What's this life for
What's this life for

But they ain't here anymore
Don't have to settle the score
Cause we all live
Under the reign of one king

But they ain't here anymore
Don't have to settle no God damn score
cause we all live under the
Reign I said we live under

One king
One king
One king

But they ain't here anymore
Don't have to settle no god damn score
cause we all live
under the reign
I said we live under

One king
One king
One king

But they ain't here anymore
Don't have to settle no god damn score
cause we all live under the reign of of one king

jane doe
03-15-2010, 10:26 AM
Have you ever wished you coudl know what this was all about?

Do you think modern society makes life more meaningful or less? It seems everyone is on anti-depressants today. If life is so wonderful, how come so many of us need pills to just LIVE?



I usually don't wish for knowledge, but am curious as to what you're referrencing?

I don't think modern society exists. I think modern technology does, but the people involved with the major decisions and developments thus are lacking modern thought. TPTB seem to be more barbaric in nature, than the technologies they have produced. It was evident in the nature of tangling Nazi-regime science with naivity-economics. The whole slash and burn mentality has been turned into a global-political house of mirrors. The world leaders are trapped in their belief system.

If people are on anti-depressants, then they are denying pain which should be understood. People cannot heal themself when they are immune to the sight their soul needs to evolve. Anti-depressants provide psychological immunity, imho.

Can you explain what pains you?

oneview
03-15-2010, 12:40 PM
What's this life for?

Look at the world of nature.

Are we "really", above it all?

We like to see it that way.

But, are we?

The Poet
03-15-2010, 04:10 PM
I usually don't wish for knowledge, but am curious as to what you're referrencing?

I don't think modern society exists. I think modern technology does, but the people involved with the major decisions and developments thus are lacking modern thought. TPTB seem to be more barbaric in nature, than the technologies they have produced. It was evident in the nature of tangling Nazi-regime science with naivity-economics. The whole slash and burn mentality has been turned into a global-political house of mirrors. The world leaders are trapped in their belief system.

If people are on anti-depressants, then they are denying pain which should be understood. People cannot heal themself when they are immune to the sight their soul needs to evolve. Anti-depressants provide psychological immunity, imho.

Can you explain what pains you?

Well, a lot of things. First, I collect social security although I do work a job (part time). In a society that only gives a damn about money and what is commercially viable, you just don't make it if what you have to offer dosen't add up to dollars and cents.
What really bugs me is that nothing ever changes. On a big level, no matter what we do, it's always the same people holding the reins of power. For instance, if the government tells me to kill someone they call it war; If I go kill someone I dislike they call it murder and lock me up for ever.
The only thing that changes is the faces. There really is no peace on this Earth, because no matter what we do we are never truly free. If it isn't people selling religion or selling some product, we are told from the moment were born what to think and how to be.
So what is this life for? People may say every life is worth living, but really, is it? I think of friends I know that have schizophrenia, and I ask myself how it is in God's green Earth that it was meant for them to suffer this. What is the reason for that? I guess if one has the skin of a Panzer tank, it wouldn't bother them. But how can you bear it without becoming so numbed out that you just don't give a damn anymore.
That's what I mean. The only way to survive in one piece seems to become like a machine. Become numb to it, so it can't reach you and tear at you. How else can we go in our daily lives and see this awful suffering that goes on? Just put the blinders on and march like an android , punch out your time card and don't see just the numbing, nauseating suffering.
Let me ask you a question: How is it that we let it get to this place? How can we, as human beings, become so numb to it? Can we honestly say a human being would so blithely let this go on, where he or she can see it, and do nothing? No, I reject that. A human being with a heart could not!
But robots, people who are numbed out could: Since they feel nothing for themselves, they can feel nothing for others as well.
People ask others all the time: How are you doing. But the truth is they don't CARE how you are doing. That's why I call this world a world of machines and robots: All that matters is efficiency and that the drones (us) produce. If we break down we are easily replaced. Nobody has any value as a human being, but only as one more cog in a huge, impersonal machine. For me this is the truth I see: an impersonal universe of power systems and hierarchies that exist to profit over others. Therefore, we are lied to when we are told we are equal. A person who does not give things to society that enriches them has no value.
So we live in a post-human world. Just because you're DNA is human dosen't mean it is. How can anyone NOT feel alienated and depressed in a world such as that? Intrinsically, I have no value as a human being. I don't exist nor do I have the coins of the realm. The fact that I am human and have emotions means nothing to such an impersonal, profit driven, Godless machine society.
So that's one aspect of it. What also really, really hurts me is that I yearn for things to be as they were. Whew..this is a hard one to explain, so I'll just come out and say it. I am an Ab/Infantalist, and most of my life has been either a series of depressions and just a lot of struggle. I grew up in Special Ed, and in many ways had it rough from the word go. I miss me..Things used to not be this fucked up. There was a time I was happy, but it seems so long ago that life now seems like I'm going through the motions. I really just want to be a kid again; I never wanted any of this. What's that old saying, spit in one hand and wish in another? Yeah, that's about right.
Anyways, plus i lost my dad to suicide. He committed suicide when I was 26, about 10 or 11 years ago. What seemed so perfect now seems so messed up. Sometimes I envy the bastard; why can;t I be allowed to find peace?
Like I said, I never meant for any of this to happend. I don't know where this road leads, but all I know to do is what I have been doing. I feel like my heart is going to burst it's so full of pain and heart ache; I just wish I was dead or in a coma sometimes. I guess it just hurts to be me.

oneview
03-15-2010, 04:16 PM
...

I don't think modern society exists. I think modern technology does, but the people involved with the major decisions and developments thus are lacking modern thought....

You don't think modern society exists.
Do you consider modern society to be - at the mainstream level?
Anything you think is happening, in such way, that things are.(?)

What do you think is going on with the
modern technology
that you think does exist?

Why do you think - people involved,...
are lacking modern thought and
anything to do with - what for?

oneview
03-15-2010, 04:25 PM
...

...The world leaders are trapped in their belief system.

If people are on anti-depressants, then they are denying pain which should be understood. People cannot heal themself when they are immune to the sight their soul needs to evolve. Anti-depressants provide psychological immunity, imho.

...

Do you make anything of
"the world leaders are trapped in their belief system"?

Anti-depressants, numb as to, what goes on with us.
Is a way the established world around has for masque-ing in us.

I think we are down to our conscious levels.

oneview
03-15-2010, 04:38 PM
Well, a lot of things. First, I collect social security although I do work a job (part time). In a society that only gives a damn about money and what is commercially viable, you just don't make it if what you have to offer dosen't add up to dollars and cents.
What really bugs me is that nothing ever changes. On a big level, no matter what we do, it's always the same people holding the reins of power. For instance, if the government tells me to kill someone they call it war; If I go kill someone I dislike they call it murder and lock me up for ever.
The only thing that changes is the faces. There really is no peace on this Earth, because no matter what we do we are never truly free. If it isn't people selling religion or selling some product, we are told from the moment were born what to think and how to be.
So what is this life for? People may say every life is worth living, but really, is it? I think of friends I know that have schizophrenia, and I ask myself how it is in God's green Earth that it was meant for them to suffer this. What is the reason for that? I guess if one has the skin of a Panzer tank, it wouldn't bother them. But how can you bear it without becoming so numbed out that you just don't give a damn anymore.
That's what I mean. The only way to survive in one piece seems to become like a machine. Become numb to it, so it can't reach you and tear at you. How else can we go in our daily lives and see this awful suffering that goes on? Just put the blinders on and march like an android , punch out your time card and don't see just the numbing, nauseating suffering.
Let me ask you a question: How is it that we let it get to this place? How can we, as human beings, become so numb to it? Can we honestly say a human being would so blithely let this go on, where he or she can see it, and do nothing? No, I reject that. A human being with a heart could not!
But robots, people who are numbed out could: Since they feel nothing for themselves, they can feel nothing for others as well.
People ask others all the time: How are you doing. But the truth is they don't CARE how you are doing. That's why I call this world a world of machines and robots: All that matters is efficiency and that the drones (us) produce. If we break down we are easily replaced. Nobody has any value as a human being, but only as one more cog in a huge, impersonal machine. For me this is the truth I see: an impersonal universe of power systems and hierarchies that exist to profit over others. Therefore, we are lied to when we are told we are equal. A person who does not give things to society that enriches them has no value.
So we live in a post-human world. Just because you're DNA is human dosen't mean it is. How can anyone NOT feel alienated and depressed in a world such as that? Intrinsically, I have no value as a human being. I don't exist nor do I have the coins of the realm. The fact that I am human and have emotions means nothing to such an impersonal, profit driven, Godless machine society.
So that's one aspect of it. What also really, really hurts me is that I yearn for things to be as they were. Whew..this is a hard one to explain, so I'll just come out and say it. I am an Ab/Infantalist, and most of my life has been either a series of depressions and just a lot of struggle. I grew up in Special Ed, and in many ways had it rough from the word go. I miss me..Things used to not be this fucked up. There was a time I was happy, but it seems so long ago that life now seems like I'm going through the motions. I really just want to be a kid again; I never wanted any of this. What's that old saying, spit in one hand and wish in another? Yeah, that's about right.
Anyways, plus i lost my dad to suicide. He committed suicide when I was 26, about 10 or 11 years ago. What seemed so perfect now seems so messed up. Sometimes I envy the bastard; why can;t I be allowed to find peace?
Like I said, I never meant for any of this to happend. I don't know where this road leads, but all I know to do is what I have been doing. I feel like my heart is going to burst it's so full of pain and heart ache; I just wish I was dead or in a coma sometimes. I guess it just hurts to be me.

Try looking for answers - inside of you - instead of - outside of you.

Don't worry about the whole works.

You will - eventually - incorporate the whole works.
To start with - just take it one thing at a time.

Answers for right now - are not, forthcoming.

Try living in your own little world, apart, from it all.

Take care of you first.
Don't worry about - all around.

Everyone goes in their own direction.

We can only "see" for ourselves.

jane doe
03-15-2010, 07:01 PM
There are a few things which I define beautiful on earth. It is not the human condition. Try to define that which you see as beautiful of earth. Focus on this goal even if it takes you weeks to find one something. After you have experienced this beauty of the earth, let go of your human-ness and relax letting the beauty be more important than yourself. When youhave learned to give yourself away to viewing and experiencing a greater joy than yourself, you will find your life is about the garden of earth. Youare an organism designed to manifest positive emotions. One doesn't have to be a poet or a vessel of emotions to understand earth's meaning. Just the opposite, actually, is necessary.


These are alot of questions! Please tell us more about the suffering you are trying to change to determin whether acceptance, forgiveness, or action will work.

How else can we go in our daily lives and see this awful suffering that goes on?

How is it that we let it get to this place?

How can we, as human beings, become so numb to it?

Can we honestly say a human being would so blithely let this go on, where he or she can see it, and do nothing?

jane doe
03-15-2010, 07:05 PM
Do you consider modern society to be - at the mainstream level?

Anything you think is happening, in such way, that things are.(?)

What do you think is going on with the
modern technology that you think does exist?

Why do you think - people involved,...
are lacking modern thought and
anything to do with - what for?

I'm sorry, I'll need to ponder your questions, before I can answer them. Thanks for your patience.

jane doe
03-17-2010, 10:50 AM
I hope that your trip is going well. :) May this link quicken your destination.
http://www.futureprimitive.org/


Man remains primitive by psychologically controlling other humans. This is a step up toward their desire to control the earth, and then the cosmos. If this intent of man were removed, he would have interpreted "Eve" as wanting to please "Adam" and being subservient to the phalic symbol as knowledge. "Adam", as a man, wants to psychologically control; "Eve" wants to please.

However, throughout history, man has maintained that "Eve" was trying to psychologically control man...thus reflects the primitivism of the mind. ie..I am a reflection of many experiences. You are a reflection of many experiences. No two people are alike. Psychologically controlling another person is the same as making that person behave as you would. It is very primitive indeed, and modern man does not exist in mass because of this internal and external [modern technology] programming.

The Poet
03-18-2010, 02:39 PM
There are a few things which I define beautiful on earth. It is not the human condition. Try to define that which you see as beautiful of earth. Focus on this goal even if it takes you weeks to find one something. After you have experienced this beauty of the earth, let go of your human-ness and relax letting the beauty be more important than yourself. When youhave learned to give yourself away to viewing and experiencing a greater joy than yourself, you will find your life is about the garden of earth. Youare an organism designed to manifest positive emotions. One doesn't have to be a poet or a vessel of emotions to understand earth's meaning. Just the opposite, actually, is necessary.


These are alot of questions! Please tell us more about the suffering you are trying to change to determin whether acceptance, forgiveness, or action will work.

How else can we go in our daily lives and see this awful suffering that goes on?

Turn on the news or open you're front door. People are suffering, often in what might be called "quiet desperation". Some of it is from life events, and some of it just comes from living I suppose.
I think in some sense it may be worse in a different way then it used to be. In the past, suffering was more often physical (famine, disease, epedemic, warfare). Today it is more mental.
The world is shifting sand. There is nothing you can count on-not your job, your spouse, keeping your house, e.t.c. This uncertainty creates free floating anxiety. I would suggest living every day of your life worrying over some catastrophey awaiting you on the horizon would be a form of suffering.

How is it that we let it get to this place?

My question is this: How did we let it get to the point where our world has gotten so out of control? More personally, at what point did I start losing more of myself everyday? I understand in a way I never could before why people would do foolish things like smoke crack or shoot heroin (please note, I am not advocating it, just saying I understand it). Life can become a nauseating experience and I can see how someone would wish to numb themselves out from society by blitzing their brain with dope. As the old saying goes "No Brain, No Pain".

How can we, as human beings, become so numb to it?

Yes, how did we get to be so numb to what is happening? We watch people be massacred it only elicits a yawn. We see our politicians act like robber barons and all we can be bothered to do is re-vote that robber baron into power agsin.

Can we honestly say a human being would so blithely let this go on, where he or she can see it, and do nothing?

Yes, this comes to the heart of it. Suppose I was walking down the street and I found you uncounscious. What to do? I could walk on, I could pick your pocket or I could call an ambulance. More and more people are choosing to simply walk on. Is this human?
More to the point, haven't we all compromised outr own ethical code at sometime for survival sake? I admit that I have seen peopl get stomped and not done anything. Why? Because thewy might have killed me if I had. But aren;t I dying allready by making that decision? What happens to a person when they see that, and don't do anything? Isn;t there a kind of death that happens, as I hardend my heart?
It seems all these compromises, in the end, take more and more of us until we become a cynic. Is survival, at any cost, worth while?

oneview
03-18-2010, 05:28 PM
Why are you, preoccupied, with other people?

Everyone lives their own life.

No one, has everything figured out.

Where is burdening, people in general, with things?

There isn't anyone, that's going to come up with answers, all of a sudden.

jane doe
03-18-2010, 07:27 PM
Yes, What happens to a person when they see that, and don't do anything?

Life is worth you being the person you wish the world would be. I have taken great risks, and personal sacrifices, to help others before myself. When I most needed someone to take a risk for me, they have always failed. I have found death comes in many forms. I still would prefer creator to guide me than myself. And I believe my disappointments have been from creator as well.

oneview
03-19-2010, 08:11 AM
Everyone lives in their own little world. Known or unknown to them.
Interests of others are either evident to ones self or their not.
Outside interests are either up close or seemingly distant.
One takes care of things according to ones self.

For the most part, we start out unknowingly about anything, originally.
One either finds it's suited to the world around or you find your own way,
if you ever do or not.

Opposing forces are all around, these opposing forces are even built into
nature. Seems to be "isometric", in the way one develops about.

Am of the opinion that "life" was indeed created.
However, the creator, has no hands on policy. IMO.
It's all in "life", is able to be. We either manage or we don't.
There seems to be no anything in particular, however,
what becomes, becomes.

One can be a part of it all, however it all be, or one can go its' own way.
Everyone being, was fashioned along the lines of, live your own life.
Lots of people, risen to power, want to be in control of people in general.

jane doe
03-19-2010, 08:41 AM
Songs do reflect different stages of decision making. But for the most part, very seldom do two people feel exactly the same. Actually, I've never met two people who feel the same way during changes. There are so many layers to being human. The idea that apathy is a decision perplexes me. To me, apathy is a form of imprisonment and paralysis.

YouTube - Fleetwood Mac - Go Your Own Way - 1977

oneview
03-19-2010, 11:13 AM
Apathy is not really a decision one makes.

Apathy comes from - letting your guard down, from built up to be.

Words tend to have more than one meaning.
Possibly you meant something else, apathy doesn't ring a bell in such way.
Wouldn't know more so as well.