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Sentrynox
04-18-2010, 10:14 PM
I have been in paleontology for a while and come to the conclusion (now that I ain't working as a scientist anymore and not subject to outside fundings), that we can already find life across our Universe, only if we know WHERE to look! So thats my theory below, and my arguments for finding such advance life around us! And from what I believe, I can say that they are huge gang up there waiting for us!!!

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superted
04-19-2010, 07:23 AM
Can I ask, what makes you think there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe?

I believe there is most likely life elsewhere, but most likely not intelligent.

Sentrynox
04-19-2010, 02:51 PM
I did learn with years of works that to be a very good scientist you must be humble toward nature and even more humble toward the Universe!
Why is so? Its only because when you see that at every scientific discovery, comes its new set of questions, you understand that the more you discover about the world the less you understand it! Which means that our environment is always becoming weirder as we advance in discoveries!

So for me it leaves A HUGE place for others to share this Universe, as our Universe cannot be dominated by ANY single life forms! It also means that life will ALWAYS find a spot to go and develop! So in my book, life is much less rare than we can observe at this point! We are just so young and so blind as to where to look with which eye...

Its your guess to think that life isn't anywhere to be seen outside bacterias, but this is an arrogant stance which only fearful scientists are comfortable with!

superted
04-20-2010, 06:44 AM
Come on now Sentrynox, as I've said to others on this forum there's no need to be rude. Can't we have an honest debate without resorting to being rude? There's no need to call me arrogant.

First of all, I never said I believed in only bacteria, just unintelligent life. I really have lots to say on this particular area so I will get back to you on why I believe its unlikely there is intelligent life out there.

Sentrynox
04-20-2010, 07:07 AM
Come on now Sentrynox, as I've said to others on this forum there's no need to be rude. Can't we have an honest debate without resorting to being rude? There's no need to call me arrogant.

First of all, I never said I believed in only bacteria, just unintelligent life. I really have lots to say on this particular area so I will get back to you on why I believe its unlikely there is intelligent life out there.

First of all, Human intelligence has arisen because of trades! So it makes our specie a trade based intelligence!
Our specie began trading technologies to survive their geographical situation, either by hunting games, harvesting, fishing, cooking and on... Until today, where we have become a global trading specie! So, knowing that our Universe is really well made we can easily assume that our specie won't trade within itself when going outside our little planet! Because while our planet represent a small ecosystem, the Universe do represent a much larger ecosystem! So knowing this, its most evident that we won't have to trade alone in such Universe, and that other trade based intelligences will arise or have already arisen!
You might ask why trade seems so necessary, its because events in our Universe are from another time scale, and this time scale compare to ours on this planet is so huge that the experience necessary to survive it, isn't accessible to a single specie without trades... Because an event that is going to occur, and that did occur only a million years before, we won't have the experience to know how to handle it, unless we have trade such knowledge with a specie having lived through this event a million years before! In other words, our limited life span will force trades among ALL trade based intelligences in order to survive this changing Universe!

It is why, for life to spread, trade based intelligence cannot arise alone! Even on this planet we did have the Neantherdal and two other homos species living at the same time!! So thinking that we will trade alone in this Universe will mean that we are going toward suicide!! So I do not think that we are alone at all! Many are already up there waiting for us to join them in the trades!

superted
04-20-2010, 10:44 AM
Hold on there Sentrynox, I asked how you knew there was intelligent life, not about trading with intelligent life. If I've understood your post correctly your just assuming intelligent life exists, without a scientific basis for it?

Sentrynox
04-20-2010, 03:36 PM
Hold on there Sentrynox, I asked how you knew there was intelligent life, not about trading with intelligent life. If I've understood your post correctly your just assuming intelligent life exists, without a scientific basis for it?


SuperTed, are you in your teens?

Anthropology is A science!! You are asking me about intelligent life equal to us, not equal to an intelligent dolphin living on another planet!
So yes, Humans do indeed have what we call a trade based intelligence that has defined our social traits and even molded our brain over the time!
So based on this, I can say that it is really likely that other trade based intelligences have arisen on other world! I do not base this on astrophysical assumptions but at how likely it is for life to evolve toward a trade base intelligent lifeform!
There is a need for life to complexify itself, and given enough time, life on almost every planet will evolve toward this goal of creating a trade based intelligent being that will reach for the stars to trade and connect with other trade based intelligences!

superted
04-21-2010, 02:49 AM
Well Sentrynox I was civil but no you couldn't be, are you so inept at 'trying' to put your point forward that you need to resort to pettiness?

Lets start slow and lets start from the start, I asked;

"Can I ask, what makes you think there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe?"

Now...hmmm....what was your answer? Well to be perfectly honest I can't tell, your paragraphs of nonsense have thrown me. Just to keep you on the straight and narrow here, I want to know WHY you believe there's intelligent life out there. None of your rambling posts have even hinted how you know there's intelligent life out there. All your theories on trade based lifeforms throughout the universe....lol....its all well and good but you need there to be intelligent life for that to work!

Why do I believe that more than likely there is no other intelligent life out there? Well much like your first reply in the this thread;

"Its only because when you see that at every scientific discovery, comes its new set of questions, you understand that the more you discover about the world the less you understand it! Which means that our environment is always becoming weirder as we advance in discoveries!"

When I read this, I thought "this guy's actually on my wavelength". Little did I know your turn out to be a douche. Anyway as a medical scientist I too can't help but be mystified at the human body. The more detail I learn the more it becomes clear that evolution is probably the most amazing force in the universe.

How our blood for example is full of colloid proteins such as albumin and how these proteins enforce Starling's Law but keeping an osmotic force moving against hydrostatic pressure so that tissues can be perfused with nutrients and O2 and waste produces removed. And all this would not function either without the sinusoids of the hepatocytes.

And the above works across all vertebrates! So then comes the remarkable human brain!

Here's a few facts for ya Sentrynox;

1. The universe is 13,730,000,000 years old, humans are 200,000 years old. So that means intelligent life has been in the know universe around 0.001% of that time. The earth is 4,540,000,000 years old, so intelligent life has been on this planet for 0.004% of its life. I would say that's pretty insignificant.

2. Today there are 2,000,000 know species of organisms in the entire world. There's estimated to be 100,000,000 AND that doesn't include extinct organisms!! So let us do some more simple maths, given that this planet is 4,540,000,000 years old, what percentage of its organisms estimated to be alive today are deemed intelligent;

0.000001%

Hmmm...even MORE insignificant number there.

Get where this is going Sentrynox?

3. Our wonderful planet! Not too cold and not too warm! An asteroid knock could very easily make our oceans boil or freeze. The big friendly giant Jupiter makes sure this rarely happens but somehow we've been so lucky to have escaped a major collision in the last 200,000 years.

4. Our planet just so happens to be made up of the right kind of atoms, the right elements in the right quantities. A perfect atmosphere, a perfect size for a perfect gravitational force.

5. Essentially I don't believe there are very many planets out there just like earth, now I don't mean planets roughly the same size, distance from a sun. I mean planets JUST like earth. And if there are....well the origin of life - nobody knows how it started and the theory I believe in is a lightening bolt in the ocean that just so happened to randomly create the first organic matter, along with the first cell membrane. If that theory is correct then the chances of that happening twice are pretty unrealistic BUT I believe it probably has happened in the deepest darkest areas of the universe in strange planets were only thermophiles and such can live. But complex life....hmmm maybe insects....but intelligent life?

You seem to just automatically assume intelligence on other planets....because we are? Not a very intelligent rationale there Sentrynox. The fact we have had a clear spell in earth's history to evolve to this current point is nothing short of a miracle and I believe we won't be here for much longer. We never give it much thought but any year now a huge rock could be on its way to kill all humans on this planet, or even closer to home such as Yellowstone with it's super-volcano.

6. As an atheist I give a pretty good basis for an existence of god! lol

I could string on many more points in a lot more detail to this list but I don't have the time.

Sentrynox
04-21-2010, 07:31 AM
Yes, there has been 99.9% of all life forms that have appeared on Earth that are now extinct! And on average any specie has a lifespan of about 4 million years!

As for gravity, you must remember that life began in water first, where gravity didn't have much to do, other than keeping water molecules stick together as a liquid (also the job of the Atmospheric pressure). But you must know that life did have helped shape the current geology of our planet: More Proof of Outer Membrane Cytochrome Role in Electron Transfer (http://www.physorg.com/news190925354.html)

Also, life isn't an isolated phenomenon but a linked phenomenon! Life as you see here is most likely a symbiotic system that can travel across the Universe and diversify on planet surface! The Darwin theory of evolution wasn't really completed before the end of the Genomic project that ended in 2000. From the data gathered in human DNA, Lynn Margulis team lead by Dr. Shiva Singh discover that about 43% of our DNA was viral in origin (virus are most likely from an ET origin)! And this do not count for the various bacterias that are living inside our organism in complete symbiosis!
So to better understand how life evolve and how it is embedding itself inside all Earth living thing, I would suggest you read about Lynn Margulis, Symbiogenesis and Endosymbiosis theories! Then you will understand that life has a plan and is indeed VERY resilient once it takes roots!

But I agree that 4 million years for a specie isn't long, but for an intelligent specie, it is forever!!
Also, you must understand that Humans aren't a simple animal specie, but rather something completely new on this planet! You see, ALL animals, and ALL other lifeforms on Earth do have a very limited creativity! Birds can build nests, Beaver can built dam, but none of them are capable to innovate and start a 3 star bird nest or an electric Hoover dam!
On the other hand, Humans do have an almost unlimited creative potential! They can do anything they can imagine and our creative potential is only equal to its destructive potential, which means that we can blow up our planet, unlike ANY other living thing on this planet!
So taking into accounts that life on Earth is a symbiotic system, we can assume that Humans have an extra edge that all the others do not have!
My theory is that while we have been born on Earth (from mother Earth), we have been seeded with a Universal agent (Universe is our father), like a very unique virus from outer space having mutated human brain (the last two mutations occur 5000 years ago and 37 000 years ago), which has given us an unlimited creative potential!!

So that is in part why I think we are no accident, and that others like us do exist in large numbers!! There is much more to it, but thats the essentials here!

And if you think that there aren't enough planets to have life on it, read this:
Scientists are now saying that they have underestimated the number of stars in our cosmos by 90%! Which means that there are billions of stars not yet accounted for by our dear scientists!!

Now, thats a pretty BIG mistake if you ask me! Suddenly, its like, wow, we can see the sky now (sic)!!
Next, they will stick to their dogma (which is truly abherant to see now) that life might still exist only on our planet now... Even if they were wrong for so long, they are still right about that assessment! Which is ludicrous if you ask me...

Anyhow, thats what it is, a great step in the good direction at least! Now, lets find those little green things!!
Universe may have billions more stars - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7519435/Universe-may-have-billions-more-stars.html)

superted
04-21-2010, 08:04 AM
Hmm....o...k....a...y.....

First;

"But you must know that life did have helped shape the current geology of our planet:"

So what? Nothing to do with intelligent life outside our planet.

Second;

"(virus are most likely from an ET origin)"

Huh? LOL. Please please can you reference this? You say I should look up and read on Symbiogenesis, strange that because at Uni I did a paper on it in my first year. Yea your dead right, bacteria and viruses make up eukaryotic cells. Human mitochondria, the power houses have there own genes, separate from the main nucleus, and they are very similar to bacterial genes, why? Because mitochondria were once bacteria. Same too with green chlorophyll in plants. But to venture that the viral particles came from space???

Third;

"My theory is that while we have been born on Earth (from mother Earth), we have been seeded with a Universal agent (Universe is our father), like a very unique virus from outer space having mutated human brain (the last two mutations occur 5000 years ago and 37 000 years ago), which has given us an unlimited creative potential!!"

We're back to this ET virus that I'm pretty sure there's absolutely no proof for! No wonder you couldn't just give me this answer when I first asked for it - cause it's crazy!

Fourth;

"by our dear scientists!!", "Even if they were wrong for so long, they are still right about that assessment!"

You go on about how much of a scientist you are yet your quoting a newspaper (not a peer accessed scientific journal) that is undermining scientists? Contradictory anyone?

Lastly, your introduction of Symbiogenesis is yet another reason why intelligent life outside this planet isn't likely. Mitochondria moving into eukaryotic cells for the first, and last time created complex animals. Can you even imagine that first, and only time that happened! What a momentous occasion and you really think something like that just happens every day in the universe!?

Sentrynox
04-21-2010, 01:24 PM
Ok little boy! You will learn few things as you grow up! First school isn't about truth! Experience IS!

Ask a microbiologist what he thinks of viruses! He will tell you that their origin isn't likely to come from our own planet as they defy what we describe living entity! Recently they found that virus do also have even smaller virus attacking them! Meaning that a virus can infect another one!
But viruses are even weirder than this! They can form in space and survive irradiations!
Also some of them might even been formed inside the radiation cloud of super nova, where BE-10 radiations help their formation. But this you won't be capable to do such links until you dig deeper with your own questionings!

Peer review papers are necessary for scientists when it comes to new discoveries... I like to be ironic... Sorry if you do not like ; )

As for the geology of our planet, it is important to know that life has shaped its mineral composition to very high level! Increasing the conditions needed for life to thrive!, Acidic levels and alkaline levels in the ground have been stabilized, filtering our atmosphere, making it proper to sustain denser patches of life! Stones and minerals do act as filters for water (like rivers or lakes) and our atmosphere! And this you should know this! So if intelligent life has to appear it will be due to the long work of life activities on the surface and beneath the surface of their planet! Meaning that life can even change a planet in ways that make it more viable toward evolution of complex biological entities, even if at first the conditions weren't optimal!

As for your opinion that Symbiogenesis makes it even less likely for life to appear is mainly out of surface reasonings! If you learn a bit of advance biochemistry, you learn that what puts all our proteins together is called Chirality (racemic molecules or non-racemic). This Chirality order is the same for all life on this planet, and only molecules created in laboratory do not have the same! Actually, science do have a really hard time at figuring out the primordial soup that have seen life arising from! There are many recipes but one of the most important variable that have been overlooked is the action of the Earth magnetic field on biochemistry! It has shaped our molecules Chirality and determined their level of interactions! (I can provide a "peer review paper" if you like!!)
So out of this mess, when you close up a bit into the details of how life did appear, you can feel a certain order of things! And order that have guided the development of ALL life, in and out of the ecosystem! Things makes senses but sciences do have a hard time to prove everything that works in nature and even more so outside our little blue planet!
So yes, you can sit and ponder that science hasn't YET proved that Virus do indeed come from outerspace, to make you feel comfortable about it, but the truth is that science isn't even close to prove anything such as this, so do you think that we should wait and sit because of this?
Schools teach you 2 things: how to structure your mind to fit inside the system called society, and show you how determining the interactions with peoples will be on your professional life (what you do will mostly depend of who you know if you reach a certain level).
But it doesn't have the arrogance of saying, HEY school IS the truth!! YOU will experience it because you will have learned how to learn from LIFE itself! It is why the world is lead by peoples over their 40's, because they have experienced life, not only learn about it!
As for me, I do not care much about scientific reviews, or peer reviews, as it has been a while that I have proved myself that my hypothesis were correct and it has been a while that I understood that most peoples in my field were full of arrogance and seeing only what they want to see, with so little imagination that they couldn't even see how their mother loved them!

So, yes in my opinion and from a scientific point of view intelligent life is very possible outside our little planet, but ONLY if you get out of the box and begin to think for yourself instead of being induced what YOU MUST think!
And you must also know that saying such thing as Virus coming from space is crazy, also undermine your credibility when you know that virus origin is unclear and that science didn't have found the answer to this yet!

So, knowing that virus do cause mutation in our DNA, and that our Human brain have mutate 2 times in the last 40000 years, we might surmise that those mutations have been triggered by some kinds of virus since its about the only horizontal gene transfer mechanism out there. And you must admit that viral DNA composing 43% of our genome is incredibly high for a complex life form like us! So these horizontal gene transfers have help shape humans as we are now! And on a evolutionary scale, our bipedal model is the most economic (considering how much energy our brain do consume), and the most likely form for another advance life form!

Anyhow, yes there are a lot of conjectures! You might believe what is the most comfortable for you at this point, it won't matter! But with experience you will discerns whats making senses, and whats not! So you were asking why intelligent was possible outside our planet, so I answer with my opinion, as no scientist can really answer this with absolute evidences! But life is much more resilient than you think, and when you come to know her, up and close you understand that there is MUCH we can't even understand yet! Life is much more complex than she seems, and the process of life in this Universe is much more powerful than you might think!
But this only time will teach you!
On this, have a great time finding your answers!

superted
04-21-2010, 02:12 PM
Sentrynox, Sentrynox.....SENTRYNOX!!!! lol I would bet money you have some sort of clinical mental illness.

"Ask a microbiologist what he thinks of viruses!"

LOL well I work every summer, easter and xmas with 12 of them. There's no absolutely no proof for a theory that supports ET formation of viruses. Please reference! I've got a feeling that this is totally your deluded opinion. You talk of experience and other nonsense - will experience mean that whatever magic I want to believe to be comes true? Perhaps you've got early onset dementia - it would explain a lot!

"with so little imagination that they couldn't even see how their mother loved them!"

What are you talking about? So your telling me that what I read and understand in the journal Nature is in fact lies and only when I hit the big 40 will I truly understand the scientific world? I think grandpa forgot his medicine again?

"As for the geology of our planet, it is important to know that life has shaped its mineral composition to very high level!"

No Sentrynox - still not relevant.

" If you learn a bit of advance biochemistry"

Strange thing is Sentrynox, I have yet this too has no relevance.

"yes in my opinion and from a scientific point of view intelligent life is very possible outside our little planet"

No Sentrynox it is not the view of the scientific community, just your nursing home community.

So what have I learned from all your ramblings....? Most people might say..."not a thing superted". But no I have realised your whole goofy theory hangs on the assumption that the virus came from outerspace....yet there's not one shred of evidence for this. Now I realise that stating the obvious may piss you off slightly but somebody had to tell you.

BUT let me entertain your madness, IF a virus did originate from another planet then so what? A virus does not constitute an intelligent life form. Let me again draw your attention to the fact that on our planet (which is perfect for raising life and chalk FULL of various viruses of differing shapes and forms) intelligent life only constitutes 0.000001% of life today, and this life has only been on the planet 0.004% of it's life! The numbers speak for themselves Sentrynox.....

Sentrynox
04-21-2010, 06:14 PM
Me, I will bet some money that you are in fact a young teen pasting and copying texts from Wikipedias!!

At least it looks like you can't read much...
I never said that virus were from another planet, I did say that they were to some extent capable to survive space travel and formed inside super nova explosion clouds, which isn't on ANY planet!!
Also I didn't say that this was MY theory, because it isn't a theory, as it is only an Hypothesis that science cannot even come close to put to the test! We are lacking virus fossils records, so we can't trace their origin at all at this point! But astronomic observations have shows that nucleic acids do form inside particle clouds in outer space!

I did publish in Magazine Nature in 2004, and they do not report everything in our research paper, as peer reviews is also used as a censor organ to kill potentially threatening research (threatening to private fundings or other big multinationals), so you will quickly learn that truth in such competitive environment do not travel faster than light... On the contrary!!
At McGill University in Montreal, some microbiologists aren't shy to expose their hypothesis on the Origin of virus, since it doesn't fit the patterns of life creation on our planet!

Also, of course it isn't a consensus from the Scientific community to say that intelligent life do exist! What do you think? You ask me my opinions, and from an anthropological point of view, it does make a lot of senses! But who says that everyone inside the scientific community makes senses? Again so much competitions there, you won't EVER know the real truth from them at least!!
But not knowing this reality, means that you are either in the main stream science, doing your little things, and aren't even close of being in the great leagues of cutting edge science!!

Also, you might have made a paper on Symbiogenesis theory, but what about Endosymbiotism theory?

In Acquiring Genomes: A Theory of the Origins of Species. In this paper, Margulis argued that symbiogenesis is a primary force in evolution. According to her theory, acquisition and accumulation of random mutations are not sufficient to explain how inherited variations occur. Instead, new organelles, bodies, organs, and species arise from symbiogenesis. Margulis is also a pioneer in gaia theory. Along with James Lovelock, Margulis has helped to popularize the concept and give it its modern form. Symbiogenesis theory clearly works well within gaianism, as it stresses the need to look at interactions of populations of organisms at given periods of time. During her talk, Margulis stressed the fact that individuals don't evolve but populations do. Her only qualms with Darwinism was that she believes the diversity of life arose not through competition but through organisms networking with each other.Recent work on the human genome project has certainly added credence to Margulis's claim. During the talk, Dr. Shiva Singh noted that upwards of 41% (now closer to 43%) of the human genome is comprised of viral DNA. Margulis also noted that the human body is not one singular organism. Rather, like the Earth's ecosystem, the human body is a community of life. We have bacteria in our gut and critters on our skin. Without them, we couldn't survive. She noted the case of one individual who lacked the ability to maintain such a balance, and it cost extreme sums of money to keep the person alive before he eventually died.

Seeing this, it takes some huge leap of imagination to see life a UNIQUE force or entity made of billions of different species, complex and simples. So seeing this as a unique force, it can be surmise that this did not arise from here, but was seeded on Earth somehow. As our planet is also member of another ecosystem, called solar system, and that solar system is also member of another ecosystem call Milky way Galaxy!
I doubt you can follow me there, but for me it is obvious that when you consider the fact that weather patterns inside our atmosphere are influenced by the weather inside our solar system (mainly coming from the activity of the sun like particle winds and magnetic storms), we can assume that everything there is also link in some ways but on much larger time scales, which are oblivious to modern scientific observations (because we weren't there at all when it happens).

So thats about it, you might not like it, but this is what I believe!

superted
04-21-2010, 07:11 PM
Your problem Sentrynox is that you make a sensible statement about one thing and then just pluck random facts out of thin air that are not related and link them together, hoping that everyone just assumes the link is viable....do you think we're all stupid?

Case in point;

"So seeing this as a unique force, it can be surmise that this did not arise from here, but was seeded on Earth somehow."

You talk about humans and other complex animals as essentially a group of coexisting smaller single celled or muti-celled organisms, which I would agree with. So that's your sensible statement. Then there's the above quoted drivel. You try to seemlessly link your sensible statement with your opinion (and that's all it is) that life originated from outside Earth. You even go as far to say you can "surmise" this based on the fact it's "a unique force". Your totally talking BS and hoping we just swallow it! Not me chump!

I don't understand your use of scientifically proved data but at the same time rubbish the scientific community whenever they obviously disagree with you. And here's a newsflash gramps, the scientific community aren't some random people that pick and chose what to believe or what is fashionable, but what theory best fits the facts. The scientific community have varied opinions on various topics and I for one have my own thoughts and feelings. I read published scientific papers that follow rules, they try to be unbiased and tell the story in pure facts! I read these facts and I come to MY OWN conclusions. Nobody has told me there isn't much chance of intelligent life you there in the universe, I came to that conclusion myself. The facts I have given out throughout the debate speak for themselves, I don't have to say a thing. Anyone that reads this thread can take the facts I have presented and maybe come up with a different conclusion and that would be great. BUT any opinions need to be backed by fact, otherwise its just BS! And Sentrynox my friend, you are full of it!

EDIT: Can you post a link to your paper published in Nature, I would like to read it. I am very jealous, it is the most prestigious journal in the world!

Sentrynox
04-21-2010, 08:35 PM
Your problem Sentrynox is that you make a sensible statement about one thing and then just pluck random facts out of thin air that are not related and link them together, hoping that everyone just assumes the link is viable....do you think we're all stupid?

Case in point;

"So seeing this as a unique force, it can be surmise that this did not arise from here, but was seeded on Earth somehow."

You talk about humans and other complex animals as essentially a group of coexisting smaller single celled or muti-celled organisms, which I would agree with. So that's your sensible statement. Then there's the above quoted drivel. You try to seemlessly link your sensible statement with your opinion (and that's all it is) that life originated from outside Earth. You even go as far to say you can "surmise" this based on the fact it's "a unique force". Your totally talking BS and hoping we just swallow it! Not me chump!

I don't understand your use of scientifically proved data but at the same time rubbish the scientific community whenever they obviously disagree with you. And here's a newsflash gramps, the scientific community aren't some random people that pick and chose what to believe or what is fashionable, but what theory best fits the facts. The scientific community have varied opinions on various topics and I for one have my own thoughts and feelings. I read published scientific papers that follow rules, they try to be unbiased and tell the story in pure facts! I read these facts and I come to MY OWN conclusions. Nobody has told me there isn't much chance of intelligent life you there in the universe, I came to that conclusion myself. The facts I have given out throughout the debate speak for themselves, I don't have to say a thing. Anyone that reads this thread can take the facts I have presented and maybe come up with a different conclusion and that would be great. BUT any opinions need to be backed by fact, otherwise its just BS! And Sentrynox my friend, you are full of it!

EDIT: Can you post a link to your paper published in Nature, I would like to read it. I am very jealous, it is the most prestigious journal in the world!


I do not say that the scientific community disagree with me, I just say that my ideas are too much ahead for any kind of consensus to take place! I do admit of projecting myself into thin air, when it comes to scientific arguments, but the fact is that after so many years, you win an understanding that is difficult to express. So you can do links with things that escape many others! It is what is happening here! I am used about provoking others, its my main fun in science! Without provocation thoughts do not mature and even less evolve!
As for life in general, it has always been link with its ecosystem! No ecosystem no life... Thats simple! So if we link life on Earth as a single living energy (force if you prefer) that we can call Gaia, this Gaia is indeed link with Earth ecosystem (since Earth IS Gaia), so knowing this, and knowing that Earth is indeed part of another ecosystem, we can hardly contest that interrelations are occuring! From there, its kind of a whats come first, the egg or the Chicken! And if you know a bit of Paleontology, you will know that the answer is the Chicken (let me know if I need to explain why it is so)... Therefore the ecosystem of Earth has seeded it with life!
Of course this is an Hypothesis! But it does make sense if you can follow the thread! Life in the Universe is similar to Russian dolls, showing each ecosystem inside another one, until you reach the smallest doll and see a Human in its representation (not cut in half but whole).
If I believe in this to be true, its because every time I use this hypothesis of mine to find answers, it always bounce back at me and verify itself, as this idea often happens to comfort another one, or even help me to find an answer that no other scientists have come with!
Its a little bit like building your own world, your coherent world, when you come to see so many different things, you are kind of becoming capable to simulate almost everything in your mind because everything is coherent! Which for me is enough to convince me that this hypothesis do hold on its own, even if not really tested or measured!

As for my article, I do not have copy of it, but it has been published September 30, page 496. I did work with the best in the world in the field of Paleontology, I have surfed the edge of world discoveries and seen things that no one has ever see! So yes, it has given me some momentum that is hard to follow for some! But for me my ideas kind of live on their owns, so I am content with them!

So for you this might be out of thin air, but when you will gain enough confidence in your perception of life mechanism you will begin to feel it, and feel that it works or not! But this takes long years to build such perception, it is why for you it seems out of thin air, while for me its solid rock!! It makes plain senses! Its like returning a rock on all its angles and be sure of what kind of rock it is... My ideas are the same, I have looked at them from EVERY angles for so many years, that I am convince that they are right, even if hard to refute or even prove!

superted
04-22-2010, 04:52 AM
Well Sentrynox - so long as YOU believe your story, that's all that matters.

I searched the Nature archive...."Valuable dinosaur fossil may have been crushed in fracas"

That's not a paper Sentrynox, just an article, not really the same. Im sure that time on the cutting edge of science was good...

Sentrynox
04-22-2010, 12:01 PM
Well Sentrynox - so long as YOU believe your story, that's all that matters.

I searched the Nature archive...."Valuable dinosaur fossil may have been crushed in fracas"

That's not a paper Sentrynox, just an article, not really the same. Im sure that time on the cutting edge of science was good...

You want to know why I never publish a "real" paper as you said?
Its because I was working on mass extinctions events (the huge 5 prehistoric ones), and then began to translate my findings with what was happening here, right now on Earth and didn't like it at all!
More species die every year than in every other mass extinction events, and if this trends continue for once, it might just happen that ALL life goes extinct!
So let me know if you really want to read such "paper" and let me know, what is most important in life... To get publish or get a proper perspective of things! I do have lost many friends because of the "article" you have read there! He seems like nothing, but that was HUGE! The dino crush was a Sinosaupteryx Prima of about 2m long with feathers! A missing link between the dino and the birds... That wasn't an happy event at all for science that day!
So you might next time you met someone like me in person, take the time to talk to him in person instead of denigrating them!

superted
04-22-2010, 12:34 PM
"talk to him in person instead of denigrating them"

Isn't that a bit rich Sentrynox? You started the denigration! I asked you not be rude but time after time you insulted me - did you expect me to take that lying down?

Sentrynox
04-22-2010, 01:16 PM
"talk to him in person instead of denigrating them"

Isn't that a bit rich Sentrynox? You started the denigration! I asked you not be rude but time after time you insulted me - did you expect me to take that lying down?

At first glance your arguments didn't seems coming from someone serious at all! More like a teen asking things... So I push a bit but its my way of doing things! To see what they have in their mind! And it works great with you ; )

And by the way, I might have been wrong a bunch of times, but when important things were at stakes I NEVER GOT IT WRONG!

In the mean time, you might want to know why life on Earth is going toward extinction?
The End of Natural Human Evolution | The Mind Traveler (http://themindtraveler.blog.com/?p=117)

Sentrynox
05-05-2010, 07:03 AM
First of all, Human intelligence has arisen because of trades! So it makes our specie a trade based intelligence!


Term papers (http://www.ghostpapers.com/)

Our brain has become much more flexible because of trades unlocking abilities that have created our social fabric over times until now... We are a social specie too, so trades became the next step in the evolution of our specie!
In other words, no trades, no large scale social fabric would have been possible and even less our modern society!