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09-03-2005, 03:46 AM
Murder and mayhem in New Orleans' miserable shelter
Fri Sep 2, 2005 11:45 PM ET



By Mark Egan

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - With the rotors of President George W. Bush's helicopter sounding overhead, New Orleans' poor and downtrodden recounted tales of murder, rape, death threats and near starvation since Hurricane Katrina wrecked this city.

Ending days of abandonment since the hurricane struck on Monday, the U.S. National Guard handed out military rations and a bottle of water to thousands of evacuees -- the first proper meal most had eaten in days.

But as the masses lined up outside, herded by Army troops toting machine guns, inside the convention center where these people slept since Monday was the stench of death and decay.

Leroy Fouchea, 42, waited in the sweltering heat for an hour to get his ration -- his first proper food since Monday -- and immediately handed it over to a sickly friend.

He then offered to show reporters the dead bodies of a man in a wheelchair, a young man who he said he dragged inside just hours earlier, and the limp forms of two infants, one just four months old, the other six months old.

"They died right here, in America, waiting for food," Fouchea said as he walked toward Hall D, where the bodies were put to get them out of the searing heat.

He said people were let die and left without food simply because they were poor and that the evacuation effort earlier concentrated on the French Quarter of the city. "Because that's where the money is," he spat.

A National Guardsman refused entry.

"It doesn't need to be seen, it's a make-shift morgue in there," he told a Reuters photographer. "We're not letting anyone in there anymore. If you want to take pictures of dead bodies, go to Iraq."

As rations were finally doled out here on the day President Bush visited the devastated city, an elderly white woman and her husband collapsed from the heat.

"I had to walk two blocks to get here and I have arthritis and three ruptured discs in my back," said Selma Valenti, 80, as her husband lay beside her, being revived by a policeman in riot gear. The two had eaten nothing since Wednesday.

Valenti and her husband, two of very few white people in the almost exclusively black refugee camp, said she and other whites were threatened with murder on Thursday.

"They hated us. Four young black men told us the buses were going to come last night and pick up the elderly so they were going to kill us," she said, sobbing. "They were plotting to murder us and then they sent the buses away because we would all be killed if the buses came -- that's what the people in charge told us this morning."

Other survivors recounted horrific cases of sexual assault and murder.

Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, said men had wandered the cavernous convention center in recent nights raping and murdering children.

She said she found a dead 14-year old girl at 5 a.m. on Friday morning, four hours after the young girl went missing from her parents inside the convention center.

"She was raped for four hours until she was dead," Joseph said through tears. "Another child, a seven-year old boy was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night."

Several others interviewed by Reuters told similar stories of the abuse and murder of children, but they could not be independently verified.

Many complained bitterly about why they received so little for so many days, and they had harsh words for Bush.

"I really don't know what to say about President Bush," said Richard Dunbar, 60, a Vietnam veteran. "He showed no lack of haste when he wanted to go to Iraq, but for his own people right here in Louisiana, we get only lip service."

One young man said he was not looking forward to another night in the convention center and wondered when conditions would improve. "It's been like a jail in there," he said. "We've got murderers, rapists, killers, thieves. We've got it all."

freeman
09-03-2005, 06:37 AM
I said this on another forum, but it bears repeating.
I have never been as disappointed in a leader of this country nor as ashamed to be an American as I feel right now.
Yesterday when I went shopping in the little town closest to mine, there were local citizens ringing the Salvation Army bell and collecting donations for the people in New Orleans. I couldn't help but thinking that only a generaton or two ago they might have been arming themselves and preparing to march on the capital.

09-03-2005, 09:21 AM
"We prefer to sit in our homes on our comfortable couches, eating popcorn glued to the television set instead of getting up off our arses and protesting."

The "man" should be on trial for "crimes against humanity."

nohope187
09-03-2005, 08:24 PM
Can't really protest at the capital anymore with all the armed guards and ho-land security snipers.

09-03-2005, 08:32 PM
Just another person making another excuse because he'd prefer to sit at his computer and vent through the internet.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

nohope187
09-03-2005, 08:50 PM
Looking at your posts :-P currently up on the board, Angel. You're one to talk. Try again brat girl. :-D

truebeliever
09-03-2005, 08:56 PM
The "man" should be on trial for "crimes against humanity."

Yes...and you shall get your wish.

[Picture scene in 1984 when Goldstein comes on the screen in the movie theater.]

He will get a cell right next to Slobby's at the ICC in Brussels.

Will you be voting for Hillary BA?

nohope187
09-03-2005, 09:04 PM
truebeliever wrote:
[Picture scene in 1984 when Goldstein comes on the screen in the movie theater.]
They might be doing the two minutes of hate with his face onscreen instead. Afterall, he seems to be the new fallguy in place of Bin Ladin.

09-03-2005, 10:22 PM
nohope187 wrote:
Looking at your posts :-P currently up on the board, Angel. You're one to talk. Try again brat girl. :-D

Brat girl!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

09-03-2005, 10:22 PM
truebeliever wrote:
The "man" should be on trial for "crimes against humanity."

Yes...and you shall get your wish.

[Picture scene in 1984 when Goldstein comes on the screen in the movie theater.]

He will get a cell right next to Slobby's at the ICC in Brussels.

Will you be voting for Hillary BA?


NO!!

09-04-2005, 12:33 AM
nohope187 wrote:
Looking at your posts :-P currently up on the board, Angel. You're one to talk. Try again brat girl. :-D

I'll be in Washington with the Peace Movement on September 24th.

Where will you be?

truebeliever
09-04-2005, 01:06 AM
I'll be in Washington with the Peace Movement on September 24th.

"Well GAWLY gee peasants...there be a protestin down at tha Kapitale. We cun all strut about in a legally defined area shouting...We're here, were queer, get used to it! and other such chants that will have Cheyney QUAKING in his hooded Illuminati Robe."

Will that be the same Peace Movement that stopped the Vietnam War? The one that cunningly took 10 years to stop it?

America was BEATEN in Vietnam by a peasant army.

Just as Yanks would beat ANY Army that invaded the U.S.

The anti-war movement is USELESS and always has been. Stupid pressure release valve so New Yawkers can sip their Star Bucks next week guilt free.

Fuck the peace movement.

The top definition of useless.

freeman
09-04-2005, 06:13 AM
The anti-war movement is USELESS and always has been. Stupid pressure release valve so New Yawkers can sip their Star Bucks next week guilt free.

Fuck the peace movement.

The top definition of useless.

Whoa, whoa, TB. A tad harsh, wouldn't you say?
You forgot all of those nubile, braless young leftwing intellectual chicks in the tight jeans with the peace symbols stenciled across the butt cheeks. You know, the Vassar girls who talk so fast that every time they give you a hickey it looks like needlepoint.
Talk about your redeeming social value...
The only thing I can think of that tops it for pure ambience was the skinnydipping in the water tanks at Jesus '76.
Like Jackson Browne said,
"I want to know what became of the changes
We waited for love to bring
Were they only the fitful dreams
Of some greater awakening..."

(Sigh...)

truebeliever
09-04-2005, 06:25 AM
True...from the pragmatic point of view it was useless though i'm sure the "process" was much fun.

Perhaps I'm just shitty that my late 60's early 70's was the AIDS infected 80's.

Oh well.

09-04-2005, 10:54 AM
truebeliever wrote:
True...from the pragmatic point of view it was useless though i'm sure the "process" was much fun.

Perhaps I'm just shitty that my late 60's early 70's was the AIDS infected 80's.

Oh well.


You're regressing to the past!!!

If it makes one feel better to stand in the street, so be it.

Do you have any problems with Alex and his bullhorn???

Answer, NO!!

But, if a females speaks of protesting, she receives condemnation.

FINE!!

Sit behind your computers and do nothing else!!

To each their own!!

igwt
09-04-2005, 11:12 AM
What is interesting is that when the Tsunami hit in southern hemisphere, there was an instantaneous outpouring of assistance from every point of the globe.

Yet I have not seen one hotline set up for this disaster, in New Orleans?

Any ideas?

09-04-2005, 11:26 AM
igwt wrote:
What is interesting is that when the Tsunami hit in southern hemisphere, there was an instantaneous outpouring of assistance from every point of the globe.

Yet I have not seen one hotline set up for this disaster, in New Orleans?

Any ideas?

Or, an avenue on the web (could be wrong) for those who are searching for loved ones that are missing!!

They want it this way!!

Most of them are black and poor!!

igwt
09-04-2005, 01:10 PM
New Orleans Crisis Shames US (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm)

09-04-2005, 01:58 PM
"The only difference between the chaos of New Orleans and a Third World disaster operation, he said, was that a foreign dictator would have responded better."

Well, this is true. Like I've said, "third world country, anyone?"

Bush may not be foreign, but he works for foreign interests and is a Dictator; perhaps the reason he and his posse' have responded just as a third world country leader would.

We are a new third world country and we are under the control of dictators. The world is beginning to see us as such and they feel empathy for us at the hands of liars and theives.

This leaves us vulnerable for "foreign" invasion whether orchestrated by them or not.

The poverty level within the US has just risen;

Our leaders do not respond to the people's needs;

We are being robbed at the gas pumps and now the gulf oil drilling has been affected; insult to injury;

More money that the taxpayers have to borrow from them for aid and rebuilding; most probably giving contracts to their own.

GAWD, this is surreal. I'm sure I'm dreaming!!!