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BlueAngel
05-27-2010, 10:33 PM
Horrendous.

Catastrophic.

Horrifiic.

Horrible.

Who owns BP?

BP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BP)

BlueAngel
05-27-2010, 10:42 PM
BP Oil Spill Underwater Video Shows Oil Gushing Like Steam From Geyser (VIDEO) (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/13/bp-oil-spill-underwater-v_n_574456.html)

BlueAngel
05-27-2010, 11:53 PM
Every penny that is spent on the clean-up of BP's catastrophic oil GUSH should be the burden of BP and not the American people.

It is a British owned company and I, for one, don't want to pay for their negligence.

BlueAngel
05-28-2010, 12:35 AM
The US government receives money in the form of royalities from oil companies for the right to drill in our oceans and on our land.

Where is that money applied?

I'm not interested in the US government receiving money via a fine for British Petroleum's negligence.

I'm more interested in every penny for the clean-up coming out of BP's pocket.

Anyone second that?

BlueAngel
05-29-2010, 04:56 PM
Get 'er plugged, people.

FallaciesAbound
05-29-2010, 07:25 PM
You are arguing with yourself there BA, but I couldn't agree more. As for where the royalties go...my guess is they get swallowed up in the General Fund like everything else. Gotta love that autopilot entitlement spending on autopilot! Yeeeeee Haaaaaaaw.

BlueAngel
05-29-2010, 10:19 PM
You are arguing with yourself there BA, but I couldn't agree more. As for where the royalties go...my guess is they get swallowed up in the General Fund like everything else. Gotta love that autopilot entitlement spending on autopilot! Yeeeeee Haaaaaaaw.

I'm not arguing with myself or anyone.

From where you have ascertained this, I have no clue and, quite frankly, I couldn't care any less.

FallaciesAbound
05-30-2010, 09:37 AM
Just thought it was funny that you repeatedly posted in your own thread. Some people cant take a joke. :p Who was it meant for?

Well, since top kill didnt work, think they will be calling the Sham-WOW! guy any time soon to clean it up? Or maybe they can get one of those Can Saver things and stick it over the pipe. Works great on my Dr. Pepper. :rolleyes:

FallaciesAbound
05-30-2010, 06:40 PM
2 characters are required to delete this post..
Im starting to think that English isnt your first language.:p

BlueAngel
05-30-2010, 11:26 PM
Just thought it was funny that you repeatedly posted in your own thread. Some people cant take a joke. :p Who was it meant for?

Well, since top kill didnt work, think they will be calling the Sham-WOW! guy any time soon to clean it up? Or maybe they can get one of those Can Saver things and stick it over the pipe. Works great on my Dr. Pepper. :rolleyes:

Yeah.

Real, funny.

I posted in MY OWN THREAD.

Ha, ha.

How rare.

A member posting in a thread they authored.

I can tell you this.

It wasn't meant for you.

BlueAngel
05-30-2010, 11:35 PM
President Obama made a trip to the GULF.

300/400 BP hazmat workers arrived at the same time and planted themselves on the beach.

Never before have this many hazmat workers been on the beach according to one of the parish's Councilmen.

Twenty to thirty maximum was his report.

Obama is either:

(1) Dumb and dumber;

(2) Playing dumb;

(3) A puppet on a string;

(4) All of the above.

The hazmat workers arrived when Obama arrived and departed shortly after he departed.

You would think the President would DEMAND from BP that they deploy these 300/400 hazmat workers every day.

You would think.

But, I think not.

BlueAngel
05-31-2010, 12:17 AM
Look, fallacies.

I posted another comment on my thread.

Do you find this funny or, perhaps, you're one of those people who can't take a joke.

FallaciesAbound
05-31-2010, 10:59 AM
Expecting government to do anything efficiently or effectively is like hearding cats. Not that the private sector is all that much better since avarice, sloth, and risk taking are essential characteristics of human nature. The best society can ever do is to punish the offenders, which you an only do after the fact.

The president is not king, and comes with his own error prone, massive bureaucracy under him. While I am certainly no fan of the current administration, I do recognize the limitations of the office. Presidents receive far to much blame and far too much credit for things that happen under their watch. That being said, the response to this certainly could have been far better, and far faster, but I dont think it takes a conspiracy to have what is really quite normal human incompetence such as this.

BlueAngel
06-01-2010, 11:15 PM
Expecting government to do anything efficiently or effectively is like hearding cats. Not that the private sector is all that much better since avarice, sloth, and risk taking are essential characteristics of human nature. The best society can ever do is to punish the offenders, which you an only do after the fact.

The president is not king, and comes with his own error prone, massive bureaucracy under him. While I am certainly no fan of the current administration, I do recognize the limitations of the office. Presidents receive far to much blame and far too much credit for things that happen under their watch. That being said, the response to this certainly could have been far better, and far faster, but I dont think it takes a conspiracy to have what is really quite normal human incompetence such as this.

Like I said, you would think the President/government would demand BP provide hundreds of hazmat workers, but I think not, so, therefore, I do not expect government to do anything effectively or efficiently.

Thank goodness fallacies is one of those Americans, 20 percent or so, who believe the President is handling the BP oil GUSH CRISIS effectively and efficiently.

Presidents are puppets.

They receive the blame and credit that their puppet masters orchestrate.

The blame rolls off their backs like a duck in water.

They don't sweat it and you shouldn't either, Mr. Sympathizer.

BlueAngel
06-01-2010, 11:57 PM
Mine is not a shallow grave. I was trying to delete my post and I was told, 2 characters were required.


now, BlueAngel can delete my 2 posts on this thread..if possible, please.


thanks.

You have the capability to delete your posts.

FallaciesAbound
06-02-2010, 05:23 PM
Like I said, you would think the President/government would demand BP provide hundreds of hazmat workers, but I think not, so, therefore, I do not expect government to do anything effectively or efficiently.

Thank goodness fallacies is one of those Americans, 20 percent or so, who believe the President is handling the BP oil GUSH CRISIS effectively and efficiently.

Presidents are puppets.

They receive the blame and credit that their puppet masters orchestrate.

The blame rolls off their backs like a duck in water.

They don't sweat it and you shouldn't either, Mr. Sympathizer.
How on Earth could you get the idea that I think Obama is doing a good job in any respect? I have never seen a poster in any forum so willfully misunderstand , misinterpret, and misrepresent the postings of others as I have with you.

What I was pointing out was that all governments are inherently inept and corrupt, at least once they get to a certain size. I am fortunate to live in an area populated by small towns. One thing always struck me about this area: even though we have all the usual problems that come with a town, and some unusual problems like repeated flooding, the budgets of my town and the ones around it always came in under budget every year. Is it because the people here are less corrupt? Hardly, a couple of our comptrollers are in the state pen for embezzling. Is it because we have fewer problems? Not really. Provide fewer services, absolutely not.

However, the one major difference is size. The budgets are smaller, so less pork and corruption can be hidden within them. There is less of a bureaucracy, so all processes move faster. Decision makers (now I know this is going to be a really hard concept to grasp, since we are all used to the federal government) MAKE DECISIONS. They don't wait for the opinions of twenty legal councils, or establish blue ribbon commissions to look into the matter. They just do it.

So the point I was making is that it is unreasonable to expect any president to rapidly respond to any problem for which a small military unit like the SEALS is unsuited. The bureaucracy, lawyering, and regulations slow the event-decision-response curve to a flatline. Sadly, Federalism seems to be dead, and the Federal government has grown to an unwieldy size, as ponderous as a three legged elephant. Expecting the help of the government is about as effectual as praying for rain.

BlueAngel
06-03-2010, 10:02 PM
How on Earth could you get the idea that I think Obama is doing a good job in any respect? I have never seen a poster in any forum so willfully misunderstand , misinterpret, and misrepresent the postings of others as I have with you.

I don't misinterpret, misunderstand or misrepresent the postings of others.

I very accurately interpret and understand that which they write and respond to it accordingly.

I couldn't care any less that you have never seen any poster in any forum do that which you accuse me of doing because I don't do that which you accuse me of doing.

What are you the internet forum police?

Re-read your post that I replied to and then get back to me as to why I interperted what you wrote as indicating that you believe OBAMA is doing a good job.

What I was pointing out was that all governments are inherently inept and corrupt, at least once they get to a certain size. I am fortunate to live in an area populated by small towns. One thing always struck me about this area: even though we have all the usual problems that come with a town, and some unusual problems like repeated flooding, the budgets of my town and the ones around it always came in under budget every year. Is it because the people here are less corrupt? Hardly, a couple of our comptrollers are in the state pen for embezzling. Is it because we have fewer problems? Not really. Provide fewer services, absolutely not.

However, the one major difference is size. The budgets are smaller, so less pork and corruption can be hidden within them. There is less of a bureaucracy, so all processes move faster. Decision makers (now I know this is going to be a really hard concept to grasp, since we are all used to the federal government) MAKE DECISIONS. They don't wait for the opinions of twenty legal councils, or establish blue ribbon commissions to look into the matter. They just do it.

So the point I was making is that it is unreasonable to expect any president to rapidly respond to any problem for which a small military unit like the SEALS is unsuited. The bureaucracy, lawyering, and regulations slow the event-decision-response curve to a flatline. Sadly, Federalism seems to be dead, and the Federal government has grown to an unwieldy size, as ponderous as a three legged elephant. Expecting the help of the government is about as effectual as praying for rain.

I have no clue what point you are trying to make, and, quite frankly, I couldn't care any less because your point is pointless, Eire, the troll.

BlueAngel
06-03-2010, 10:11 PM
You know what, Mr. BP MILLIONAIRE oil executive, the fishermen in the Gulf coast would like to get back to their lives, too, but they can't because you've ruined them.

Stop the oil gush; send hundreds and hundreds of HAZMAT workers NOW to the shores of Louisiana to clean up your dirty oil and when you've accomplished this, just maybe, just maybe then you can get back to your cushy lifestyle.

If I were the Governor of the state of Louisiana, I would sue you and BP for every penny you have.

FallaciesAbound
06-03-2010, 11:33 PM
I have no clue what point you are trying to make, and, quite frankly, I couldn't care any less because your point is pointless, Eire, the troll.
I thought it was a fairly obvious point I was making there. Not sure why you are having trouble understanding it. And there was not a single word in defense of Obie, so I am still not sure where you are getting that idea from.:rolleyes:

BlueAngel
06-03-2010, 11:42 PM
I thought it was a fairly obvious point I was making there. Not sure why you are having trouble understanding it. And there was not a single word in defense of Obie, so I am still not sure where you are getting that idea from.:rolleyes:

I have no trouble understanding anything.

I am certain you are aware of this fact.

Your comment was in defense of Obama.

Apparently, you are unable to comprehend that which you write, Eire, the troll.

But, that's okay.

That's why I'm here.

I decifer your written words for you.

:)

FallaciesAbound
06-03-2010, 11:59 PM
Once again, you are wrong. I was not defending Obama, but stating my opinion that expecting any government, especially one run by a liberal democrat, as ponderous as the FED to actually move and get something done is preposterous. What does it matter to them? Elections swing on clever ad campaigns far more than they do on actual performance. Hell, even dingbat Bush was able to get two terms. So expecting the real world government to handle a situation effectively, especially one that is truly complicated and difficult in the best conditions (and this obviously is not) is tilting at windmills.

BlueAngel
06-04-2010, 12:20 AM
Once again, you are wrong. I was not defending Obama, but stating my opinion that expecting any government, especially one run by a liberal democrat, as ponderous as the FED to actually move and get something done is preposterous. What does it matter to them? Elections swing on clever ad campaigns far more than they do on actual performance. Hell, even dingbat Bush was able to get two terms. So expecting the real world government to handle a situation effectively, especially one that is truly complicated and difficult in the best conditions (and this obviously is not) is tilting at windmills.

Once again, I'm not wrong.

You were defending Obama.

I re-direct you to your previous comments.

You can say that you weren't, but your comment implies otherwise.

I don't expect anything for the people from our government ever.

Remember, they abused me.

That's exactly what I expect from them for all of us.

Abuse.

However, I will continue to hold their feet to the fire.

That's the difference between you and me.

I don't excuse them.

You do, Eire, the troll.

FallaciesAbound
06-04-2010, 06:11 PM
I am not excusing them in the least. Why do you continue to mis-represent my argument? You are focusing in on one man,Obama (and I just bet it was Bush before that) and you are failing to see that the problem is with the entire system. It has grown too large to ever be effective, and so large that all manner of corruption can easily get swallowed up in it. All thanks to dumbass progressive liberals and their welfare state, and nannyist RW religious types that want to regulate everyone's life according to a book written in committee 2000 years ago. There need not be some group of Bilderburgers or a Springsteen cult running things for BS like the spill to happen. Its the tyrany of ignorance and apathy that has created this situation. As society got easier people became more and more complacent about things that affect their lives in dramatic ways. Like basic economics and accountability of public office. You want a conspiracy, just look no farther than the NEA. They have been constantly dumbing down our kids so that they can blame the problem on lack of funding and demand higher salaries for their members. You want to fight the power, start with the public sector unions.....then you might have something.

BlueAngel
06-05-2010, 06:42 PM
I am not excusing them in the least. Why do you continue to mis-represent my argument? You are focusing in on one man,Obama (and I just bet it was Bush before that) and you are failing to see that the problem is with the entire system. It has grown too large to ever be effective, and so large that all manner of corruption can easily get swallowed up in it. All thanks to dumbass progressive liberals and their welfare state, and nannyist RW religious types that want to regulate everyone's life according to a book written in committee 2000 years ago. There need not be some group of Bilderburgers or a Springsteen cult running things for BS like the spill to happen. Its the tyrany of ignorance and apathy that has created this situation. As society got easier people became more and more complacent about things that affect their lives in dramatic ways. Like basic economics and accountability of public office. You want a conspiracy, just look no farther than the NEA. They have been constantly dumbing down our kids so that they can blame the problem on lack of funding and demand higher salaries for their members. You want to fight the power, start with the public sector unions.....then you might have something.

I don't misrepresent you.

You misrepresent yourself.

Yeah.

Right.

I fail to see that the problem is with the entire system.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with my posts on this forum and you'll see that I denounce the system of control over our leaders and representatives.

I never focus on one man and I have never focused on Obama, himself.

You did.

I don't want a conspiracy.

There is a conspiracy and I'm exposing it.

You want to blame the people for being complacent.

The fact of the matter is that they aren't complacent.

They just simply do not have any power.

BlueAngel
06-05-2010, 07:39 PM
Obama says:

President Barack Obama pledged Saturday in his weekly radio and Internet address to fight the spill with the people of the Gulf Coast. His words for oil giant BP PLC (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gulf_oil_spill#) were stern: "We will make sure they pay every single dime owed to the people along the Gulf coast."

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Really, Obama?

You're going to make sure that BP pays every single dime that is owed to the people along the Gulf Coast?

You said it.

Now we expect you to do it.

Just so we're clear.

This will include providing a YEARLY compensation to all of the fisherman who have lost their livelihoods due to BP's negligence for as many years as they are unable to resume their employment.

This will also include compensation to the states and local businesses for all of the years that they suffer lack of tourism due to BP's negligence.

You're also going to make sure that BP sends out hundreds and hundreds of HAZMAT workers to clean up the beaches.

Sounds good to me.

Make BP compensate the people and the state for loss of income and tourism for as many years as this oil catastrophe affects them and demand that BP send out hundreds of hazmat workers as they did when you arrived in the Gulf Coast and disappeared when you left.

Make good on your promises.

Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.

Just like every other politician who speaks from both sides of his mouth in order to appease the people, but, in reality, does nothing.

So, then you're going to make BP "pay the price."

Just want to make sure that we're clear.

Are we clear?

BlueAngel
06-08-2010, 03:21 AM
Bump!

RedAngel
06-08-2010, 04:16 AM
BP themselves anounced a few days ago that they will pay for everything.

FallaciesAbound
06-09-2010, 10:16 AM
I don't misrepresent you.

You misrepresent yourself.

Yeah.

Right.

I fail to see that the problem is with the entire system.

I suggest you familiarize yourself with my posts on this forum and you'll see that I denounce the system of control over our leaders and representatives.

I never focus on one man and I have never focused on Obama, himself.

You did.

I don't want a conspiracy.

There is a conspiracy and I'm exposing it.

You want to blame the people for being complacent.

The fact of the matter is that they aren't complacent.

They just simply do not have any power.
What is power except the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals? Please explain to the group how you could have an egalitarian political system where "the people" have the power.

BlueAngel
06-09-2010, 11:30 PM
What is power except the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals? Please explain to the group how you could have an egalitarian political system where "the people" have the power.

Power in this world does not rest in the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals.

One or few individuals is a gross understatement.

You are the person who accused the people of being complacent.

I pointed out that the people aren't complacent.

They simply do not have the power.

I never said there could be an egalitarian political system where the people have the power so why have you requested that I explain it?

BlueAngel
06-09-2010, 11:35 PM
BP themselves anounced a few days ago that they will pay for everything.

Glad to hear that they're going to pay for EVERYTHING!

Must keep the pressure on them for as long as they ALLOW this oil gusher to continue.

Certainly, they'll have to reimburse all of the businesses who have lost and will continue to lose revenue due to lack of tourism, eh?

FallaciesAbound
06-11-2010, 11:34 AM
Power in this world does not rest in the concentration of interests onto one or a few individuals.

One or few individuals is a gross understatement.

You are the person who accused the people of being complacent.

I pointed out that the people aren't complacent.

They simply do not have the power.

I never said there could be an egalitarian political system where the people have the power so why have you requested that I explain it?
OK, so if the people dont have the power, and you cant envision a system where they do have the power, then arent you conceding my point that mixed-oligarchy is the natural human condition?

That being said, I do still believe that complacency is one of the real problems. Revolutions can and do happen, and, for a time at least, do bring beneficial outcomes often. So to say that the people have no power, when a revolt of the people can bring down even the most powerful regime, seems ludicrous.

BlueAngel
06-17-2010, 11:51 PM
BP pays for everything.

Lost wages, lost tourism, cleaning up of the beaches.

Everything.

Not one penny is to come out of the American taxpayer's wallet.

Are we clear?

I thought so.

BlueAngel
06-17-2010, 11:56 PM
OK, so if the people dont have the power, and you cant envision a system where they do have the power, then arent you conceding my point that mixed-oligarchy is the natural human condition?

That being said, I do still believe that complacency is one of the real problems. Revolutions can and do happen, and, for a time at least, do bring beneficial outcomes often. So to say that the people have no power, when a revolt of the people can bring down even the most powerful regime, seems ludicrous.

Who said I can't envision a system wherein the people have the power?

You?

Obviously.

Because I never said so.

You continue to suggest that which other members of this forum have not stated.

Your username, fallaciesabound, is quite befitting of yourself.

Certainly, people with power can bring about a revolt and people without power cannot.

However, as I've stated, at present, THE PEOPLE HAVE NO POWER so there will not be a revolt in the near future.

Just as they desire.

People without power equals no revolt.

You can attempt to twist my words as much as you like, FA, but it ain't happenin', pal.

Now or ever.

Oh, and BTW, Eire, please check your posts as far as your father being a rocket scientist.

FallaciesAbound
06-18-2010, 07:01 PM
Who said I can't envision a system wherein the people have the power?

You?

Obviously.

Because I never said so.

You continue to suggest that which other members of this forum have not stated.

Your username, fallaciesabound, is quite befitting of yourself.

Certainly, people with power can bring about a revolt and people without power cannot.

However, as I've stated, at present, THE PEOPLE HAVE NO POWER so there will not be a revolt in the near future.

Just as they desire.

People without power equals no revolt.

You can attempt to twist my words as much as you like, FA, but it ain't happenin', pal.

Now or ever.

Oh, and BTW, Eire, please check your posts as far as your father being a rocket scientist.
What the hell are you talking about?

So, please enlighten us as to this egalitarian system of government where the people have the power? How would that possibly work while avoiding the obvious pitfalls of a pure democracy?

As for your ideas about revolt, you are way off. The French nobility certainly had all the power, until a revolt toppled them. The same was true in the American revolution.

And I think you are confusing me with someone else again. Sorry to disappoint a crazy person.

BlueAngel
06-19-2010, 04:30 PM
What the hell are you talking about?

So, please enlighten us as to this egalitarian system of government where the people have the power? How would that possibly work while avoiding the obvious pitfalls of a pure democracy?

As for your ideas about revolt, you are way off. The French nobility certainly had all the power, until a revolt toppled them. The same was true in the American revolution.

And I think you are confusing me with someone else again. Sorry to disappoint a crazy person.

I think you should ask yourself:

"What the hell am "I" talking about?"

For some reason, you continue to attribute statement's you make as if they came out of my mouth and then expect me to expound on them.

You would be the one who is confused.

And, no, I haven't confused you with anyone.

You're EireEngineer.

You don't disappoint anyone, but yourself.

GEORGE DORN
06-24-2010, 06:58 PM
It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt, ( sometimes ) .

Why do some people continually try to critisize, put down and ridicule others ?

The fact that "we" are on a forum entitled "Club Conspiracy" seems to imply that "we" are of ilk mind even if "we" do not agree on certain issues.

We are all children, the only difference between young children and old children is thier vocabulary/knowledge. Some children refuse to grow up and try to prevent others from advancing and evolving. These immature children should be ignored, if "we" don't play,they will go away.

Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. If you can.

Reductio ad absurdum works for Kent Hovind and Alex Jones .

BlueAngel
06-24-2010, 07:32 PM
It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt, ( sometimes ) .

Why do some people continually try to criticize, put down and ridicule others ?

The fact that "we" are on a forum entitled "Club Conspiracy" seems to imply that "we" are of ilk mind even if "we" do not agree on certain issues.

We are all children, the only difference between young children and old children is their vocabulary/knowledge. Some children refuse to grow up and try to prevent others from advancing and evolving. These immature children should be ignored, if "we" don't play,they will go away.

Don't attack the messenger, attack the message. If you can.

Reductio ad absurdum works for Kent Hovind and Alex Jones .

I would prefer to open my mouth and be thought an idiot than to keep it shut and remove all doubt.

People who criticize, put down and ridicule others is a fact of life.

Some people criticize, put down and ridicule others because they are insecure and feel inferior.

Other times, criticism is merely nothing more than a differing of opinion.

I would disagree.

WE are not all children.

You might be, but I'm an adult.

There is really not much difference between attacking the message and/or the messenger since the message is usually delivered by the messenger.

Sometimes, as evidenced on this site, if you play with the immature children who refuse to grow up and advance, they will most probably just go away and most times, they haven't stifled you in the process.

You've stifled them.

That's why they go away.

BlueAngel
06-26-2010, 12:52 AM
Costner cleanup device gets high marks from BP - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts2851)

Costner cleanup device gets high marks from BP

Fri Jun 25, 5:57 pm ET

It was treated as an oddball twist in the otherwise wrenching saga of the BP oil spill when Kevin Costner stepped forward to promote a device he said could work wonders in containing the spill's damage. But as Henry Fountain explains in the New York Times, the gadget in question — an oil-separating centrifuge — marks a major breakthrough in spill cleanup technology. And BP, after trial runs with the device, is ordering 32 more of the Costner-endorsed centrifuges to aid the Gulf cleanup.

The "Waterworld" actor has invested some $20 million and spent the past 15 years in developing the centrifuges. He helped found a manufacturing company, Ocean Therapy Solutions, to advance his brother's research in spill cleanup technology. In testimony before Congress this month, Costner walked through the device's operation—explaining how it spins oil-contaminated water at a rapid speed, so as to separate out the oil and capture it in a containment tank:

The device can purportedly take in thousands of gallons of oil-tainted water and remove up to 99% of the oil from it. On Thursday, BP posted to its YouTube page a video of the news conference featuring Costner and BP Chief Operating Officer Doug Suttles announcing the news. You can watch the video here:

"Doug Suttles was the first guy to step up in the oil industry," Costner said at the presser, "and I'm really happy to say when he ordered 32 machines, it's a signal to the world, to the industry, where we need to be."

Suttles said the additional machines will be used to build four new deep-water systems: on two barges and two 280-foot supply boats.

"We tested it in some of the toughest environments we could find, and actually what it's done — it's quite robust," Suttles said. "This is real technology with real science behind it, and it's passed all of those tests." He added that Costner's device has proved effective at processing 128,000 barrels of water a day, which "can make a real difference to our spill response efforts."

In his congressional testimony, Costner recounted his struggle to effectively market the centrifuge. He explained that although the machines are quite effective, they can still leave trace amounts of oil in the treated water that exceeds current environmental regulations. Because of that regulatory hurdle, he said, he had great difficulty getting oil industry giants interested without first having the approval of the federal government.

[Before 'Waterworld': See Kevin Costner in the '90s]

It's true, as Fountain notes in the Times, that innovation on spill technology has been hobbled in part by the reach of federal regulation — though Fountain also notes that oil companies have elected to devote comparatively little money for researching cleanup devices in the intensely competitive industry.

Costner said that after the device was patented in 1993, he sought to overcome oil-company jitters by offering to allow U.S. oil concerns to use it on a trial basis. He'd extended the same offer to the Japanese government in 1997, he said, but got no takers there either.

— Brett Michael Dykes is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News.

BlueAngel
06-26-2010, 01:04 AM
Thank you Kevin Costner and thanks, as well, to your brother for spending 15 years and 20 million dollars of your money in developing this device.

Now, may we know the name of your brother because, as I understand it, he is the person who invented this centrifuge and he should receive credit as credit is due to him.

GEORGE DORN
06-26-2010, 03:51 AM
Anoxic event - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anoxic_event)

BlueAngel
07-15-2010, 10:09 PM
As I write, BP has apparently capped the oil geyser.

Can we please have an update as to Kevin Costner's brother's invention and if it is being used by BP.

BlueAngel
07-15-2010, 10:59 PM
Why is it that James Carville and his wife, Mary, are all over the press during this BP oil crisis, but we heard nothing from them during the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe?

BlueAngel
07-22-2010, 01:10 AM
So, what is going on?

Did they stop the leak only to have another sprout?