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kerry
05-29-2010, 08:48 PM
see if you can proove me wrong. i dare you
there is no conspiracy in the american govnorment. there is no new world order planned or coming. there is no such thing as a bible code. there is no such thing as free mason there is no such thing as the elite. and gay rights is just a fantisy. all this stuf is found only on the internet in web sites and forums (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/forum/#). i dare somone to show valid proof to just one of the items from a source that is not somones made up news site. i dare anyone to post proof positive of any of the items. post a link. or any VALID source. if you can. you want to make a liar out of me. this is your chance.. take the dare or your silence will be taken as there is no valid proof. maybe your afrade ill make a liar of the whole conspiracy BS

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 06:18 PM
errrrm ok


Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry)


ok ok ok its another website but unfortunatly you cant denie these guys exist theye shout it from the rooftops

kerry
06-12-2010, 06:47 PM
free masons are like kind of jahovers witnesses
cept that it centers on busines.. there is no sinister whatever going on with it. its just a club. a group. like this forum.. and the internet built it uo to what its not
check it at your library from a sourch there that wasent tamperd with

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 06:51 PM
ahhh u see u said theye didnt exist but theye do i never said there evil i merely said theye exist

kerry
06-12-2010, 06:55 PM
the free masons as the internet makes them up dont exist
Freemasonry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry)

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 06:58 PM
ok fair comment but u did say freemasons dont exist not the general consensus on freemasonry is wrong

kerry
06-12-2010, 06:59 PM
no
i sead freemasons dont exist as the sinister group the internet makes them up to be

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 07:07 PM
there is no such thing as a bible code. there is no such thing as free mason




^^^^ i beg to differ^^^^^

kerry
06-12-2010, 07:13 PM
ho hum
there are free masons.. but not the sinister freemasons made up by the internet
there is no such thing as the bible code.. i can read a page in todays news paper over and over again and after a few years find somthing that looks coded

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 07:16 PM
kerry the bible code is exactly as you say total coincidence in a book of so many words it would be hard not to find strings of letters that spelt out things
however you said the bible code doesnt exist but there is now a way of writing code in this fashion taken from the fact that it is so common to find words but you need to know the key on order to find the right places to look this is called the bible code therefore im sorry to say your wrong again

kerry
06-12-2010, 07:18 PM
no
im 68 born 1942 when we still rode horses..
to bad you missed out on those days youd like it

mr_starfire
06-12-2010, 07:46 PM
lol actualy i have a large group of freinds that are roman gypsies and i quite often ride horses with them and yes i do like ut thanx

kerry
06-12-2010, 08:42 PM
yeah.. gee
what a total coincidence your playing me
on the two threads

monk
06-14-2010, 07:36 AM
Hi Kerry,

You say there isn't another secret religion at play in masonic American Government, that is easy to to show, lets start with the Declaration of Independence to show a powerful secret religion at play, today we know it as the esoteric Hermetic religion, however it is based on the ancient Egyptian religion.

I'm a very good astronomer, and will show pictures of how it is all based on Sun Worship, which means that important days in history are chosen by three methods....Sun rise, Roman and Egyptian start of day, Sun set being ancient Greek and modern Israel start of day, and midnight, modern start of day, astrologers use a margin of 1 degree or four minutes of time to align a star to a date by this method and is called a Paranatellonta on link below:-

[Early Egyptian forerunners of the Paranatellonta?] [Sudhoffs Arch. 1999] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10705808)

monk
06-14-2010, 07:49 AM
By the Declaration of Independence date they chose sunrise to mark it on 4th July 1776 in Philadelphia, Pennsyvania, as picture by astronomy programme shows at 04:41:08am, the Sun rose with Alnilam, which is the centre star of Belt of Orion, that is in the centre of Orion, Star of Osiris in the ancient Egyptian Religion and thus part of Hermetic secret religion...picture below....shall i show hundreds of building aligned to Alnilam/Osiris or Isis/Sirius in Washington D.C.....i can do it if you wish...let the fun begin.

Please note i'm not picking on America i can show the same in any country, its easy for me, Ha Ha!

monk
06-14-2010, 07:54 AM
After bringing image up, please click on image again to make it clearer, you might not be able to read the Suns position, but it does rise with Alnilam/Osiris on 4 July 1776 in Philadelphia, out of synch by 3 mins 32 secs, so within the astrologers margin of 1 degree or 4 minutes of time.

monk
06-14-2010, 09:01 AM
I'm surprised Kerry that you don't think that a dodgy religion based on astrology hasn't involved itself in politics in a secret way, after all Benjamin Franklin produced an astrologers Almanack, so anyone may think about astrology and dates in history in regards to the hermetic secret religion....a lot of masons at a top level but not all, use astrology, link below:-

Poor Richard's Almanack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poor_Richard%27s_Almanack)

John Matrix
06-14-2010, 10:08 AM
Sounds like an excersise in hegelian dialectic philosophy. Count me out. You win.:D

I'm an alien(not of this world). Prove me wrong.

monk
06-14-2010, 10:52 AM
Don't worry John Matrix you will see the code after a few posts, i'm saying that dates in American history usaully are aligned to the Star Sirius or Alnilam, either by midnight, sunrise or sunset.

Lets look at the White House:-

White House - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House)

Started on 13th October 1792, here the alignment is that Sirius is rising at midnight, i can't forever use colours, so this is in black and white, the red line shows the curve of the Earth at Midnight over Washington D.C. at midnight showing Sirius rising, on download:-

monk
06-14-2010, 11:00 AM
Please click on image during view to make clearer, obviously 13 October is a special date in Knights Templar History as Jacques de Molay was arrested on this date, so has also symbolic meaning, please scroll down link to "Arrest"

Obviously the Knights Templar had rode back into town, when de Molay was arrested was a Friday, many think it is because of this that we have superstition over Friday 13th!

Jacques de Molay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_de_Molay)

monk
06-14-2010, 11:32 AM
Lets see if i can post a bigger picture, still getting used to tools, please view download:-

monk
06-14-2010, 11:35 AM
Yes the last image, will give a larger picture, when it comes up please click on image to make bigger and clearer, great i only need to reduce picture to 50%, will use this in future!

monk
06-16-2010, 08:20 AM
Obviously on 13 October 1792, Sirius was rising at midnight, which is one of the three points that some masons mark the day, the others are sunset and sunrise.

However in 1792 everyone was using local time, in 1884 in Washington D.C., time zones were agreed which effected the day that Sirius would rise in the City at midnight, as the Prime Meridian was agreed to be Greenwich U.K.

Also time zones means that huge chunks of the Earth have the same time, which didn't happen before, so by 1911 Sirius wasn't anywhere rising in Washington D.C. on 13th October as with the White House.

Link to the House of the Temple below:-

House of the Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_the_Temple)

monk
06-16-2010, 08:32 AM
Please scroll down link to History:-

The Ground breaking ceremony happened on 31st May 1911, but here they used ancient Greek day marker, at sunset of previous day being at time of 19:20:22pm on 30th May 1911, please note on downloaded image, (please click on image again when viewing to make larger) ....you will note that you see Sirius setting with the Sun within the four minute astrologers margin.

The Cornerstone was laid on 18th October 1911, and on download you will see Sirius rising with the Sun, bottom figure on download.

I havent included Dedication date on download as it is the same date as cornerstone, and would show the same....any questions?

Download will be on next thread section.

monk
06-16-2010, 08:39 AM
Sadly i've had to reduce this to 33% hope you can see it, please click on image when viewing it to make clearer.

monk
06-16-2010, 10:05 AM
Okay, i've noted i can't put too much information on download if i want to increase to 50%, and thus give you a bigger image from download.

There can be no greater image of a secret Egyptian/Hermetic religion than the Washington Monument Obelisk masons put the cornerstone in place on 4th July 1848, please view link:-

By the Numbers: The Washington Monument | National Parks Traveler (http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2010/02/numbers-washington-monument5324)

The ancient Egyptians thought that Osiris in the sky was the Belt of Orion, the centre star is Alnilam, the Sun rose in Washington D.C. on 4th July 1848 at 04:44:24am, so did Alnilam, marking the start of this day to Osiris!

Please click on Download, when image comes up please click on it again, the red line is the curve of the Earth at sunrise!

monk
06-18-2010, 07:25 AM
Hi Kerry,

What can we look at today? I know the Great Seal of the United States, that is aligned to Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris, by location and date it was established.

Please scroll down link to "Sources of Elements" and read paragraph ABOVE this section not below:-

Great Seal of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States)

Please confirm the following "On September 15th 1789, the United States Congress ordered that "That the seal heretofore used by the United States in Congress assembled, shall be, and hereby is declared to be the seal of the United States".

In 1789 Washington D.C. wasn't built, and congress were sitting in New York.

Please scroll down link to locating the Capital, and read ABOVE this caption, "The United States Congress in 1789 was in New York City" on link below:-

Residence Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residence_Act)

monk
06-18-2010, 07:44 AM
We know that the element of Sun worship is marking the day at sunrise or sunset, and because of the clock midnight was also added.

We know that on 4th July 1776 in Philadelphia, that Alnilam/Belt of Orion rose with the Sun along the curve of the Earth in that location.

The next step up would be the Sun rising, while Alnilam culminating in the middle of the sky, i need to show two astronomy pictures, one showing the Sun rising, the other showing Alnilam in the centre of the sky both at the time of 05:45:12 am on 15th September 1789 at the location of New York City.

To show a star culminating in the Northern Hemisphere i will need to show a straight line up from SOUTH.

All astronomy pictures on next thread section.

monk
06-18-2010, 07:59 AM
Please click on downloads, then click on image again to make clearer

On picture one it shows the Sun rising at location, red line is the curve of the Earth.

On picture two shows a straight line up from south at the same time, pointing at Alnilam the Osiris star!

As the Great Seal shows an Egyptian Pyramid, it isn't coincidence that the date it was established points to the star of OSIRIS!

monk
06-19-2010, 03:11 AM
It would be nice to get out of the 18th Century, so lets do it, now you know the the Great Seal of the United States was established on 15th September 1789 in New York, so has the American Government ever used the same alignment of as the Sun rose, Alnilam/Belt of Orion culminating in the centre of the sky again...yes they have approx. 160 years later but in Washington, D.C.

Please note that stars do move very slowly, and New York and Washington D.C. are different locations, so this effects how it all aligns on an astronomy programme, so i,m looking for an intended alignment on 18th September 1947 in Washington D.C. where the Sun rose at 06:55:36am, while Alnilam, star of Osiris was culminating in the centre of the Sky.

Firstly lets look at the National Security Act of 1947, link below:-

National Security Act of 1947 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Act_of_1947)

Truman signed it on 26th July 1947, but it become effective on 18th SEPTEMBER 1947!!

The C.I.A. were formed on 18th September 1947, as link below shows:-

Central Intelligence Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency)

Will continue soon.

monk
06-19-2010, 03:30 AM
Again to show this i have put two astronomy pictures on download, please click on download, and when image comes up please click on image to make bigger and clearer.

On image one shows the Sun rising on 18th September 1947 in Washington D.C. at 06:55:36am, the red line is the curve of the Earth.

On image two shows Alnilam culminating in the centre of the sky at the same time, by a straight line up from South!

Langley didn't exist in 1947, so the C.I.A. was based in Washington D.C.

monk
06-19-2010, 04:58 AM
When the C.I.A. got a new centre in Langley, JFK dedicated the new offices on 28th November 1961, please scroll down link to "The CIA after the Bay of Pigs", then look down several paragraphs to "On November 28th 1961, went to Langley, Virginia to dedicate the C.I.A's new headquarters".

JFK, Allen Dulles and the CIA: JFK assassination investigation: Jim Garrison New Orleans investigation of the John F. Kennedy assassination (http://www.jfk-online.com/jfkdullescia.html)

With my astronomy programme i can't get a fix if i put in Langley, in 1910 Lewinsville and Langley merged under McLean, Virginia, so when i show astronomy pictures i have to fix it to McLean, link will explain:-

http://www.wikipedia.org/McLean,_Virginia

monk
06-19-2010, 05:08 AM
I'll try that link again:-

McLean, Virginia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLean,_Virginia)

Jfk would use 28th November 1961 to dedicate the C.I.A. Langley buildings wouldn't he? The Sun rose at location and date at 07:10:08pm in the East, while Alnilam, Belt of Orion was setting in the West.

Two pictures on download, when image comes up please click on them again to make bigger and clearer.

monk
06-19-2010, 06:20 AM
The Defense Intelligence Agency was formed on 1st October 1961, as link will show:-

Defense Intelligence Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency)

On date and location the Sun rose at 07:08:04am, while Sirius was culminating in the centre of the sky, straight up from South on astronomy 2 pictures on download, please click on download then click on image when shown to make clearer....tomorrow we will look at the Lincoln Assassination for intended alignments involving Hermetic beliefs...should be interesting!

kerry
06-20-2010, 04:40 PM
The Defense Intelligence Agency was formed on 1st October 1961, as link will show:-

Defense Intelligence Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Intelligence_Agency)

On date and location the Sun rose at 07:08:04am, while Sirius was culminating in the centre of the sky, straight up from South on astronomy 2 pictures on download, please click on download then click on image when shown to make clearer....tomorrow we will look at the Lincoln Assassination for intended alignments involving Hermetic beliefs...should be interesting!

LOL nope...im not going to click those links

monk
06-23-2010, 04:46 AM
Hi Kerry,

I can understand you not wanting to research your own security services, sho i will give options for you after showing the Lincoln Assassination.

We can go forward to looking at the Bobby Kennedy assassination, or you can ghose another country that i hopefully can show information, i have a lot of files!

Link to the Lincoln Assassination below:-

Abraham Lincoln in Buffalo -- A Solemn Day in the City (http://www.buffalohistoryworks.com/lincoln/funeral-train.htm)

monk
06-23-2010, 04:56 AM
The Civil war put Union Masons against Southern Masons, John Wilkes Booth was probably involved with Southern Military Intelligence.

Usually American masons mark special days at the start of day either by Sunset Midnight or Sunrise however they do use actual time as well.

Approx. time of assassination, was 10:15pm or 22:15, one minute earlier Sirius was setting in the West along the horizon marked in red on attachment, please click on download/attachments, when image comes up please click on image to make clearer and larger.

Location of Assassination was Ford's Theater Washington D.C. on 14th April 1865, using Sirius in this position shows that Hermetic Philosophy was involved.

monk
06-23-2010, 05:27 AM
What you have to understand Kerry is some hermetic orders or good and some are bad, both types have beliefs relating to Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris or Sirius/Isis.

The Order of the Solar Temple were crazy, they all committed suicide and committed mass murder because they thought they would all meet up again on Sirius!!!

Please scroll down link to caption "Mass Murders and Suicides" , then read from that point, where some way down it mentions Sirius:-

Order of the Solar Temple - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple)

monk
06-28-2010, 05:39 AM
Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated on 5th June 1968, at 12:15am, just after midnight at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles, California, link below:-

Assassination of Robert F. Kennedy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy)

There has been speculation that security services were involved!

monk
06-28-2010, 05:45 AM
It is the assassin's creed to mark the date at sunset midnight or sunrise with Sirius or Alnilam.

By any astronomy programme sunset happened at location at 19:57:03pm on 4th June 1968, as the Sun set, along the horizon in the West, so did SIRIUS!

Astronomy image on download/attachments below, please click on download/attachment, when image appears please click on it to make bigger!

monk
06-28-2010, 05:58 AM
I'm not saying that American Security services were involved....i don't know, but they would have known that a secret hermetic society was involved, as it is the same way that they mark dates!

It is easy for me to show this....lets look at the United States Special Operations Command based at Macdill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida, established on 16th April 1987.

United States Special Operations Command - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Special_Operations_Command)

monk
06-28-2010, 06:02 AM
I'll leave it a few days before showing astronomy image, perhaps then we will look into the assassination of President James A. Garfield.....should be interesting!

monk
07-06-2010, 03:45 AM
The U.S. Special Operations Command was established on 16th April 1987, midnight was chosen to mark the day, as in the West at location Sirius is setting within the four minute margin.

Astronomy picture on attachment, looking at the West, please click on attachment, when image appears please left click on actual image to make bigger.

monk
07-06-2010, 03:55 AM
President James A. Garfield was assassinated on 2nd July 1881, although he lingered and died at a later date, link below:-

James A. Garfield - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_A._Garfield)

The assassin Charles J. Guiteau had strange religious beliefs and had written a book on Theology, he was interested in ancient religions.

Charles J. Guiteau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_J._Guiteau)

monk
07-06-2010, 04:23 AM
The Day of the assassination seems marked at midnight as the start of the day on 2nd July 1881 in Washington D.C.

The Nadir at midnight cuts through Sirius as attachment astronomy picture shows, please click on image to make larger.

The Nadir is explained below:-

Nadir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir)

monk
07-06-2010, 04:36 AM
In the next few days i will be looking at the President Reagan Assassination attempt....make sure you scroll down to "Hinckley family connections" that are surreal in the connections to G.W.Bush!

Reagan assassination attempt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_assassination_attempt)

monk
07-13-2010, 05:50 AM
Hinckley arrived in Washington D.C. on Sunday 29th March 1981, the next day he noticed President Reagan's schedule in the Washington Star, and decided to make his move.

I don't agree with this as there seems to be some sort of secret society planning, the day was marked by ancient Greek style at sunset.

The Sun set on 29th March 1981 in Washington D.C. at 18:24:28pm, while Sirius was culminating straight up from South, being the centre of the sky....secret societies make these alignments to correspond with a special date!

There are numerous connections between Bush and Hinckley, George Bush SNR. called Reagans ideas "Voodoo Economics before becoming Vice President, while challenging Reagan in the Presidential Primaries.....perhaps he tried a bit of voodoo himself, after all he was a member of skull and bones!

monk
07-13-2010, 07:34 AM
Some interesting links on above:-

Killtown's:* The Reagan Shooting Conspiracy (http://killtown.911review.org/assassinations/reagan.html)

Please scroll down link below to "Paradigm Shift" where it mentions George Bush Senior and "Voodoo Economics"......not really that friendly with Reagan was he?

BBC NEWS | Americas | Reagonomics or 'voodoo economics'? (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/270292.stm)

monk
07-13-2010, 07:48 AM
On attachment please find two astronomy pictures both are set at 18:24:28pm on 29th March 1981 in Washington D.C. Picture one shows the Sun setting, red line is the horizon. Picture two shows the middle of the sky at time of sunset, stright line up from South, showing Sirius!

If you are logged on, please click on attachment, then left click on actual image to make larger.