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06-02-2010, 08:35 AM
forget about the gay the elumini what ever. seeing how good some of you are at finding a argument in just about anything can any one of you show some kind of proof why 9/11 happend or some info that leeds to the possable truth of it. the real thing here no BS. put it to some good use here. why do they hate america are they just trying to spread islam in it a crusade. lets see what you can do here. i think its two things they hate america and to wake up the world to the existance of islam.

this was edited and added later
no one knows why was 9/11 do they.. i dent expect any possable truth about it. after all a conspiracy theory is just what somone wants it to be...right?

06-11-2010, 08:14 AM
There are some hard fact, such as the collapse of building seven. No planes hit that building, but it was brought down just like the other buildings. That is a good place to start.

07-03-2010, 01:58 AM
In order to understand fully what went wrong on 11th September 2001, we must first look at this "Jihad against Jews and Crusaders".....who do they mean by Crusaders?

World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders (http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm)

07-03-2010, 02:07 AM
I would think you could guess who they mean.

So we must research "Western Esotercism" link below:-

Western esotericism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_esotericism)

There are a lot of powerful cults both Western and Eastern that follow Hermeticism, based on the teaching of the Egyptian God Thoth.

Another name for Thoth is Thout, the first month of the last remnant of the Egyptian Calandar, that is called the Coptic Calendar, and is symbolic of Sirius rising with the Sun on new years day, being 11th September, link below:-

Thout - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thout)

07-03-2010, 02:19 AM
Palestine is a big thing for Muslims, and the British Mandate of Palestine wasn't legal till Sir Herbert Samuel took his oath of office, obviously that was on 11th September!

Please scroll down link provided and click on blue arrow by the side of year 1922. This gives documents relating to months, being 12, 8, 7, and 6. Please click on blue arrow 12.

This will lead to two documents, please click on "Mandate for Palestine-Report of the Mandatory to LoN-UK


07-03-2010, 02:26 AM
Another reason for use of the date was this document, please scroll down to bottom, signed on 4th September 1999, but become effective one week later on 11th September 1999.

ei: The Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum (4 September 1999) (http://www.electronicintifada.net/bytopic/historicaldocuments/67.shtml)

07-03-2010, 02:32 AM
Egypt used the date in its Constitution:-

Constitution of Egypt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Egypt)

The Pentagon used the date in its Ground breaking Ceremony, another reason for the attack.

The Pentagon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pentagon)

07-03-2010, 03:05 AM
The Ancient Egyptians would mark the start of the day with the gods Sirius/Isis and Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris....most of the above events were marked the same in the sky and was intented astrology.

Very like the ancient Egyptian Calendar where new years day was calcalated by Sirius rising with the Sun along the horizon in the East.

These days things have moved on and events are intentionally marked by Sunrise, Sunset(Ancient Greek start of Day) or Midnight (modern start of day).

Ancient Pyramid Text.

I fly from you,
I am not for the Earth,
I am for the sky.
I have soared to the sky as a heaven,
I have kissed the sky as a falcon,
I am the essence of a god,
The son of a god.
Behold the faithful and loving Osiris
has come as the stars of Orion, the beatiful one.
I have come that i may glory Orion
My soul is a star of gold
and with him i will traverse the sky forever!

07-03-2010, 04:01 AM
Please note that i am explaining the reasons for 9/11, i am not condoning terrorism.

A commander in chief of Palestine in 1922 should not favour any side, however Sir Herbert Samuel was Jewish, Arabs wouldn't like that, so it was a mistake.

Using Harry Potter stuff on Arabs, being astrology is another mistake, they will use the same back involving terrorist attacks.

Hermetic astrology marks the start of the day...this may mean Sunset, Sunrise or in this case midnight for the Oath of Office of the Cammander in Chief, Sir Herbert Samuel on 11th September 1922 in Jerusalem.

Please click on attachment, when image comes up please left click on astronomy image to make bigger and clearer.

The image will show Alnilam/Belt of Orion/Osiris rising in the East at location at midnight on 11th September 1922.

The red line is the horizon!

07-03-2010, 04:20 AM
The Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum was signed on the 4th September 1999, but become effective in the Jerusalem area on 11th September 1999, the effort didn't work.

Stars move very slowly, so the astronomy image shown before still applies to 11th September 1999, and was an intended alignment and relates to Hermetic Philosophy.

Will continue soon.

07-03-2010, 04:48 AM
Please scroll down link to thread section #74 to 76 to show terrorist suicide bomb in Lahore on the 1st July 2010 for another recent example....this time the day was marked at sunrise with Alnilam also rising:-


07-03-2010, 05:09 AM
I've a lot more to explain abaut 11th September 2001, however i then will move on to Augusto Pinochet who came to power in a U.S. backed Coup D'etat on 11th September 1973 in Chile.....sounds interesting doesn't it?

Mustn't get ahead of myself Ha Ha!

Augusto Pinochet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusto_Pinochet)

I'll be back to this forum in a few days!

07-05-2010, 04:23 AM
It has to be noted that the Coptic Calendar New Year date of 11th September in Egypt is only symbolic, as it is attached to the Gregorian Calendar, Sirius in our era doesn't rise with the Sun on this date in Egypt.

So what date does Sirius rise with the Sun in Egypt in our Era?

The Revolution of 1952 in Egypt will tell the answer being 23rd July 1952, it was intended to coincide with Sirius rising with the Sun.

Egyptian Revolution of 1952 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Revolution_of_1952)

Please click on attachment, when astronomy image is shown please left click on image to make larger.

07-05-2010, 04:32 AM
On 23rd July 2005, Sharm el-Sheikh was punished by terrorists for hosting the Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum, this was intended to coincide with the Egyptian Rovolution Day, and at location again Sirius rises with the Sun on date!!!

2005 Sharm el-Sheikh attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Sharm_el-Sheikh_attacks)

If link doesn't work look it up by search engine.

King Tut would be delighted that his Isis Cult religion was still being followed after thousands of years!!!

07-05-2010, 05:12 AM
The Sharm el-Sheikh Memorandum as featured on previous page was part of many agreements that never ended in peace being the Oslo Accords and WYE agreements that originated in "The Madrid Conference of 1991", link below:-

Madrid Conference of 1991 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrid_Conference_of_1991)

So as terrorists don't want peace.....did they punish Madrid....obviously so, link below:-

2004 Madrid train bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings)

So was Hermetic magic astrology used in Madrid?

07-05-2010, 05:59 AM
Hermetic astrologers mark the day by sunset, sunrise or midnight, and on 11th March 2004 in Madrid it was marked at sunrise being 07:36:51am, they use a margin or orb of four minutes or 1 degree.

They then mark out the position of Alnilam or Sirius by the four directions, in this case they used the Nadir, that is a straight line down from North in the Northern Hemisphere....Madrid is in the Northern Hemisphere, link to Nadir below:-

Nadir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadir)

On attachment please find two pictures, both at the same time, the first shows the Sun rising at 07:36:51, the second picture at the same time shows the Nadir cutting through the Belt of Orion/Osiris.

Please click on attachment astronomy pictures, when image comes up please click on image to make bigger.

Will continue in the next few days....getting the creeps yet?

07-13-2010, 05:52 AM
So was there a reason for terrorists to attack Washington D.C.?

Perhaps the signing of the Oslo Accords on the White House Lawn on 13th September 1993, link below:-

BBC ON THIS DAY | 13 | 1993: Rabin and Arafat shake on peace deal (http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/13/newsid_3053000/3053733.stm)

07-13-2010, 06:06 AM
Now there can be bleed over to the next day with alignments, as secret societies use a four minute margin or 1 degree with Alnilam and Sirius, and they mark the day at sunset, sunrise or midnight on one of the four directions.

An example would be the "Pentagon's Groundbreaking Ceremony on 11th September" that by ancient rules would have to be after sunset on 11th September, as usaully this applies to the 12th September.

There is bleed over using a four minute margin to the 12th September 1993 at sunset being 19:16:40pm in Washington, This type of day marking comes from ancient Greece, that used sunset as the start of the day....but for 13th September 1993.

When we look at the Nadir, straight down from North on an astronomy programme we find it cuts through Alnilam/Belt of Orion.....thus this agreement was aligned to hermetic philosophy.

When we look at New York, the alignment happened at sunset on 10th September 2001, thus marking the next day!

07-13-2010, 06:26 AM
I have to show two astronomy pictures for sunset on 12th September 1993 in Washington D.C., in picture 1 it shows the Sun setting in the West, at 19:16:40pm, the red line is the horizon.

On picture two at the same time i show the Nadir, straight down from North in the Northern Hemisphere, you will see it cuts through Alnilam, Belt of Orion by the red line.

Please click on attachment if you are logged on, then left click on image when it appears to make larger and clearer.

07-13-2010, 07:35 AM
I'll be back in a few days, i wonder if there are any astronomers here?

Perhaps you will see the connection between the the Taba Summit peace talks started on 21st January 2001 featured below:-

Taba Summit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taba_summit)

.....And the 2004 Sinai Bombings on 7th October 2004 featured below:-

2004 Sinai bombings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Sinai_bombings)

07-27-2010, 08:27 PM
There are some hard fact, such as the collapse of building seven. No planes hit that building, but it was brought down just like the other buildings. That is a good place to start.

the plaines hit the buildings..i was there i saw it
you was not there you dident see it so you dont know what your talking about

07-27-2010, 08:33 PM
In order to understand fully what went wrong on 11th September 2001, we must first look at this "Jihad against Jews and Crusaders".....who do they mean by Crusaders?

World Islamic Front Statement Urging Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders (http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm)

i know the whole truth about the crusades i did a study on it.. a long time ago there was allmoast compleat muslem rule. there was christains to. and very badly treeted by muslems. muslems then harassed and murderd christains. till the first crusade was calld to deal with the muslems and to stop the killings of christains.. there was no crusade befor then..
now at 9/11. like iran they hate the jews and israel. well known history..
we..us are the crusade. we the west. dominated by christains. tell you what you can read it for your self
go to wikipedia...in the search box type.. crusades

07-28-2010, 05:44 PM
i can proove i was there but that will meen showing you a lot of personAL information and theres no way your going to see that

07-29-2010, 06:32 AM
Hi Blue Angel and Kerry,

Sorry i've been off writing on other forums, i thought the code i show may become more clear when shown from an astrological perpective, the reason England isn't in dispute with India is that they gained independence, and the row that developed was internal that resulted in the independence of Pakistan, however early political ideas to create Israel is an on going problem that still exists today.

The Early political scene in London and connections around 1890 are clear to see by this thread on another forum where i write, if a few links don't work, i give an alternative, in all it is very informative, and shows what J. K. Rowling was really writing about in the Harry Potter Books, i hope Blue Angel doesn't mind a link to another forum, my thread name is the same "monk!.

There are three pages, please look to change page at bottom of page on the right:-

Evolutionary Astrology Forum • View topic - The Esoteric Genesis of the U.K Labour Party, and India (http://www.mauricefernandez.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1940)

We're off to see the wizard ha ha!

jane doe
07-29-2010, 09:14 AM
monk, who is maurice fernandez, in your link's address?

07-30-2010, 05:46 PM
Hi Jane Doe,

Maurice is an astrologer that has a forum in the state of Denver that is curious about my findings, i use forensics on history and show secret society involvement, if you align the stars to important days it leaves markers that an experienced astronomer can see, my interest in astrology is purely to show this.

08-02-2010, 09:53 AM
Hi Blue Angel,

There are a few thinktanks in the world that investigate the effect of ancient culture in the world today and some of these beliefs are still in use, an old sparring partner of mine was Charles Burnett,is a top guy at The Warburg Institute, a place of advanced learning concerning this.....we all have astronomy programmes and astrology programmes to follow the progress of ancient beliefs into modern times, scroll down to you get to his published translations regarding astrology:-

CHARLES BURNETT (http://www.sas.ac.uk/warburg/institute/cburnett.htm)

Description & History (http://warburg.sas.ac.uk/institute/institute_introduction.htm)

08-02-2010, 10:04 AM
Another researcher there was Frances Yates:-

Frances Yates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frances_Yates)

Examples that can be looked at by think tanks are why so many buildings copy the Parthenon, and have the neoclassical buildings been aligned to the stars like would have happened in ancient times?

Neoclassicism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoclassicism)

Parthenon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenon)

08-02-2010, 10:13 AM
We don't seek to show that astrology works, we seek to show who uses it in religious practices, an example that we all know would be that Easter is calcalated by the faze of the Moon after the Spring Equinox.

What i'm seeking to show is a strange religion at play that aligns the stars to events.

Perhaps the link to astrology created the wrong impression, we can compute the likelyhood of these alignments coming up by odds of chance by mathematics...in truth the alignments must be intentionally gauged by humans using electional astrology....meaning waiting for the stars to align before taking any action....this isn't about prooving astrology works...it shows that there is a secret religion using astrology.

08-02-2010, 10:25 AM
Electional astrology link below:-

Electional astrology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electional_astrology)

Please note it says originally used in war.

Perhaps the science forum on the B.B.C. Open University link will of better use please scroll down page 22 to Japan, where 85% of battles between the Meiji constitution in 1890 to almost to the end of 1944 were aligned to the stars!

Comments on: "The Language of the Universe" - Page 22 - Open2 Forums (http://www.open2.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5113&page=22)

The Technique used was very ancient called the Paranatellonta, always aligned to the start of the day either sunrise sunset or modern midnight.


08-02-2010, 10:35 AM
Sorry mistake on last link:-

[Early Egyptian forerunners of the Paranatellonta?] [Sudhoffs Arch. 1999] - PubMed result (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10705808)

On any standard astronomy programme the Japan battle alignments can be seen, and this is beyond chance in mathematics.....therefore as we don't believe in astrology....the battles were planned to align with Sirius or Alnilam.

Think about the millions of stars in the night sky....i'm showing a link to just TWO stars at the locations and dates!

08-03-2010, 08:12 PM
Hi Blue Angel,

I think i must come to your rescue here as moderator, by leaving a link that brings members around in a circle, you must be thinking that by your link to a "think tank", that members will pick up that under history it mentions the Fabian Society, which is the basis of my report about "The Esoteric Genesis of the U.K. Labour Party and India" link that i left on a earlier thread section, that shows the members were also members of the Golden Dawn, and co-freemasonry etc etc.

One of the most famous members of The Warburg Institute was Dame Frances Yates who wrote books about Rosicrucian influence in our culture.

Rosicrucian Enlightenment by Frances A. Yates, Frances Amelia Yates and Frances Amelia Yates (9780415267694) | Borders (http://www.borders.com.au/book/rosicrucian-enlightenment/292630/)

These type of books did bring the spotlight on The Warburg which they didn't like, so they are more careful with publications now.

08-03-2010, 08:21 PM
This link may help readers:-

Ancient Quest - Home Page (http://www.ancientquest.com/embark/rosicrucian.html)

08-06-2010, 01:30 PM
monk may possably have the missing key
monk you sead somthing about a jihad agenst jews. assumeing that is israel and not jews out side of israel this is what i think happend.. i remember back in the 1980;s somwhere where the usa gave ais and suport to israel by giving israel some kind of missel defense thing. and i think bin laden got mad at the usa for aiding israel. now theres somthing else i want to know. why did muslems maybe nou them in general so why did terrorist jihad agenst jews.
this link may have the answer for that all the way to 9/11
al-Qa'ida (The Base) / World Islamic Front for Jihad Against Jews and Crusaders / Usama bin Laden (http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm)

08-07-2010, 08:31 AM
Hi Kerry,
I'm not against you having strong Christian beliefs....there are many societies that effect world politics, some have an eclectic approach to religion, the Sufi mystics never forgave America and Harry Truman (33* Mason) of being the first to recognise Israel, by this time Britain was finished as a world power and U.S.A. took over this mantle.....Britain never did impliment the British Mandate properly, and in the end just left the region!

After America recognised Israel, most other countries followed suit....however you value this they were never forgiven by muslim mystics, link below:-

The United States and the Recognition of Israel: A Chronology (http://www.trumanlibrary.org/israel/palestin.htm)

08-17-2010, 09:20 AM
my post is not suposed to make any sense because what i posted is the truth which you know very little about why dont you just come out and say you dont agree with it you know why you wont do that its because if you just dont agree with it it gives me some credit so insted you say it dont make sense that way it makes you look smarter.

08-18-2010, 07:56 PM
Hi Blue Angel,

After the 2nd World War America become a superpower with a lot of influence in the world, and was the first country to recognize Israel as a state, most other non-muslim countries fell in with American opinion.

Because of this, many muslim countries are anti-American, there was a great deal of sympathy for the Jews after the holocaust that coloured views just after the war.

A wise muslim once said "If you want to give the Jews a homeland then give them a slice of Germany, the country that tried to exterminate them".

The United Nations thought that was too risky after having two world wars with Germany, however the war with terrorists seems never ending!

08-18-2010, 08:58 PM
Your post doesn't make any sense.

BA, do you have comprehension issues? You accuse many of having posts that make no sense, but in fact they are quite clear.

Just because you do not understand doesn't mean everyone else is having problems reading these posts.

Both of Monks posts make a lot of sense and are quite understandable.

08-19-2010, 07:11 AM
The whole point about 9/11 is the date being like the emergency number 911. The firemen who went in and had the towers collapse on them is the whole point. They represent the rescuers that were sent in from other dimensions and other planets to save this planet . The whole event was a warning to other potential rescuers.

The last batch of rescuers, after Atlantis, were caught up in the collapse of our planet and have been here since, caught up in the karmic field.


08-19-2010, 09:47 AM
The Leaque of Nations and the later United Nations agreed that a nation of Israel could exist, but both America and Britain were adopting issues that hadn't been agreed.....THE BORDER BETWEEN PALESTINE AND ISRAEL HAD NEVER BEEN AGREED, thus recognizing Israel as America did, means that Israel grapped land that in truth wasn't agreed, and therefore is the basis of the present conflict, links below:-

Truman Adviser Recalls May 14,1948 US Decision to Recognize Israel (http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/0591/9105017.htm)

Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_Committee_of_Inquiry)

08-20-2010, 09:32 PM
Blue Angel,

I never said there wasn't a British Mandate issued, but that it wasn't implimented, thus recognizing a coup by the Israelies when borders hadn't been agreed really isn't legal, i have left numerous links on this, and the recognition of Israel by Truman has never been forgiven by muslims, please read links i have left.

Whatever you say, THIS FACT IS WELL KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED, you can't recognize a new country if borders are not agreed, Truman twisted arms within the U.N. after he was the first to rubber stamp Israel.

09-17-2010, 08:29 PM
Thanks for trying to backtrack your post, but I have already proven that you were wrong when you stated that the creation of the state of Israel was based on the fact that America was the first country to recognize Israel as a country/state.

See below.

the real truth to israel is after they was led in the desert for 40 years god took them to a place now calld israel and told then that this is your land they got rights to it from one way over our heads. and it is there land from god himself. you all dont like this you just dont believe it but its true. god allso sead it will be there bhome from that day on. its the only truth lost in the BS you all were born into

09-18-2010, 05:03 PM
The STATE of ISRAEL was created after WWII by the Zionist Jews.

It had nothing to do with GOD.

the state of israel was restored after ww2 when the nazzis took it from them
origionaly it is directly from god. not that he made all anyway. but directly from him
ba yout fooling with a kid i been here a long time and i remember from befor ww2. i not only know this from the news and people i know it for a fact
do you want a link to this

09-23-2010, 06:21 PM
kerry considring the volume of your posts on so many forums, why does written communiction remain such a challeng for you?

or do you hope poor spelling and grammar, sometimes utter gibberish, will deflect suspictions of an agenda?

09-24-2010, 07:08 AM
kerry considring the volume of your posts on so many forums, why does written communiction remain such a challeng for you?

or do you hope poor spelling and grammar, sometimes utter gibberish, will deflect suspictions of an agenda?

at least it is not the hippy talk you get from Jane Doe. Sheesh!

jane doe
09-24-2010, 09:31 AM
at least it is not the hippy talk you get from Jane Doe. Sheesh!

2 characters.

09-25-2010, 05:10 AM
See? What does that mean? I'm all for having weird people in the world, it is a sign of a higher consciousness(sometimes) but if they cannot make sense when needed to then what use are they?

They are just alone, in their weirdness, crying.

jane doe
09-25-2010, 08:03 AM

you only perceive to know me.

what you think of me is none of my business.

jane doe
09-25-2010, 09:57 PM
albie and jane doe make a very good couple because nothing they write makes any sense to anyone other than to each other.
It's just a troll of mine...don't over analyze it, sugar.

09-26-2010, 10:50 AM
What other forums does Kerry lend himself to and what do you suspect is his agenda?

I truly wish that the members of this forum who don't use spell check would do so before they post their comments because I have a hard time taking anyone seriously when their comments are littered with misspellings and/or are written SO GRAMMATICALLY INCORRECT, as kerry.

Just sayin'.

No offense intended.

i have seen him on david icke, godlike produtions and here.

possibly couple of others but cant remember.

he claims to have witnessed planes striking towers, and have photographs of plane tail sections hanging from damaged tower.

have also seen him claim to have been in military and other claims that to me are clearly fantasy.