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papa
07-28-2010, 02:52 AM
Hello everyone, im new to the forum and so far this seems like an interesting site. The reason I joined was to try to find some answers about some engravings i saw the other day in Munich Germany. Theres an apartment building in a quiet residential area that has some very interesting masonic/ Nazi engravings above the doors of the building. There were probably 30-35 engravings total and I regret to say that I did not take pictures of all of them, but i could go back and take them if anyone has an interest. I was always led to believe that the Masons and the Nazis were enemies, but the engravings on this building tell a different story. Let me know what you guys think.

the first one is of some masonic tools
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/55/130mq.th.jpg (http://img189.imageshack.us/i/130mq.jpg/)

next is of a box with a lock on it with hands offering money
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/6379/129zn.th.jpg (http://img205.imageshack.us/i/129zn.jpg/)

this one shows the masonic square and compass
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9427/126k.th.jpg (http://img830.imageshack.us/i/126k.jpg/)

Then the pics start to get a little strange, here is one of a handshake with a swastica in the backround with a date of 1933
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/7192/118bk.th.jpg (http://img832.imageshack.us/i/118bk.jpg/)

papa
07-28-2010, 02:57 AM
Here are some more pictures. in these, you can see swasticas that have been scratched out over the years but the outlines and other symbols can still be seen.
http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/4579/123pz.th.jpg (http://img801.imageshack.us/i/123pz.jpg/)
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9706/125lh.th.jpg (http://img168.imageshack.us/i/125lh.jpg/)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/6762/121kv.th.jpg (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/121kv.jpg/)
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/5999/120zlg.th.jpg (http://img44.imageshack.us/i/120zlg.jpg/)

Like I said, there were about 30 depictions over the doors of this apartment building and i did not get pictures of all of them. They were all pretty strange images deeling with masonic/ astrological themes but the Nazi engravings just seem out of place. What do you guys think?

BlueAngel
07-28-2010, 09:14 PM
Watch out, Papa.

The Master Mason is on board and hitting his keyboard as I speak in response to your post.

I refer to our freemason member, KSigMason.

He is the Freemason watchdog of CC.

Anytime anyone posts anything about Freemasonry, KSigMason is alerted and he responds.

misinformedia
08-02-2010, 04:46 PM
i heard a few hundred thousand masons were killed during the nazi regime. they wore upside down red triangles, instead of star of david

jane doe
08-02-2010, 08:25 PM
i heard a few hundred thousand masons were killed during the nazi regime. they wore upside down red triangles, instead of star of david

Reminds me of the Red Square and black triangle art works.

monk
08-04-2010, 08:37 AM
Hi Blue Angel,

Yes it would be nice to drag KSigMason back, it seems he ran away when i become a member...i wonder why?

KSigMason
08-19-2010, 12:01 AM
Sorry monk, I've been busy. I'd say it was work, but that'd be a lie...I've been on vacation for a while now and I've been having as much fun as I can before I deploy overseas.

Well, back to the topic at hand. Here is some information on the Nazis and Freemasons:

Nazi Persecution of Freemasonry (http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/ushmm.html)

The Annihilation of Freemasonry (http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/fascism.html)

Famous Anti-Masons (http://www.masonicinfo.com/famousanti.htm)

The Collapse of Freemasonry in Nazi Germany (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/aqc/german_freemasonry.html)

Suppression of Freemasonry: Nazi Germany and occupied Europe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_Freemasonry#Nazi_Germany_and_occupi ed_Europe)

Holocaust Encyclopedia: Freemasonry (http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007186)

On Hitler’s rise to power, the ten Grand Lodges of Germany were dissolved.3 Many among the prominent dignitaries and members of the Order were sent to concentration camps. The Gestapo seized the membership lists of the Grand Lodges and looted their libraries and collections of Masonic objects. Much of this loot was then exhibited in an "Anti-Masonic Exposition" inaugurated in 1937 by Herr Dr. Joseph Goebbels in Munich. The Exposition included completely furnished Masonic temples

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Hitler’s hatred of Freemasonry is clearly documented.5 In 1931 Nazi party officials were given a "Guide and Instructional Letter" that stated, "The natural hostility of the peasant against the Jews, and his hostility against the Freemason as a servant of the Jew, must be worked up to a frenzy." 6 On April 7, 1933, Hermann Goering—who once considered becoming a freemason—held an interview with Grand Master von Heeringen of the "Land" Grand Lodge of Germany, telling him there was no place for Freemasonry in Nazi Germany. 7 The Nazi Primer, the Official Handbook for the Schooling of Hitler Youth, attacked freemasons, marxists, and the Christian churches for their "mistaken teaching of the equality of all men" by which they were said to be seeking power over the whole world.

SOURCE (http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/hitler.html)
The Nazis claimed that high degree Masons were willing members of "the Jewish conspiracy" and that Freemasonry was one of the causes of Germany's loss in WWI. The preserved records of the RSHA (Reichssicherheitshauptamt - Office of the High Command of Security Service pursuing the racial objectives of the SS through Race and Resettlement Office), show the persecution of the Freemasons.[20] The number of Freemasons from Nazi occupied countries who were killed is not accurately known, but it is estimated that between 80,000 and 200,000 Freemasons were murdered under the Nazi regime.

SOURCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_victims#Freemasons)
Under Heydrich, the Security Police and the SD was the primary agency responsible for intelligence analysis and executive measures in suppressing numerous internal and external enemies of the Nazi state. The SD established intelligence departments to study the alleged long-term machinations of each of the Reich's enemies: “World Jewry,” “Marxists” (Communists, Social Democrats, and trade unionists), “political churches” (e.g. Lutherans and Catholic clergy who opposed the regime as well as members of other Protestant denominations -- such as the Jehovah's Witnesses -- whose members did not accept the authority of the Nazi state), right-wing nationalist opponents, and Freemasonry. The Gestapo arrested these political opponents and, where deemed appropriate, incarcerated them in concentration camps using the police authority granted by an order of Protective Custody (Schutzhaftbefehl).

SOURCE (http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007406)

Brouhaha
08-19-2010, 07:02 AM
i heard a few hundred thousand masons were killed during the nazi regime. they wore upside down red triangles, instead of star of david


yes, they were sent to their deaths alongside Jews, Gypsys and Homosexuals.


You should be aware that senior Nazis were very interested in the occult. So don't confuse occult symbols with masonic symbols.

jane doe
08-19-2010, 05:17 PM
Don't go overseas.

KSigMason
08-19-2010, 05:43 PM
Don't go overseas.
Don't really have a choice and this is my 2nd tour with a on base job. I'm looking forward to the mid-tour leave as I'm going to Italy and my truck will be paid off by the time I get back home. And, something to look forward to, I'm saving money to go tour the States a bit and visit Masons all over the country. :D

monk
08-20-2010, 02:14 AM
Okay, i'm moderate, and know that there are many splinter groups, Hitler had a massive ego, however Himmler did follow some esoteric symbolism as in Death Head SS.

Hi KSigmason,

Noting frrom previous threads that you are involved in a Research Lodge, will you be attending "The Premier Masonic Research Conference" in Alexandria, Virginia starting on Friday 27th May 2011?
Link below:-

ICHF 2011 - Masonic Research at the International Conference on the History of Freemasonry (http://ichfonline.org/)

jane doe
08-20-2010, 03:50 PM
God speed KSigMason. :) and, thanks for serving our country.

BlueAngel
08-20-2010, 07:11 PM
God speed KSigMason. :) and, thanks for serving our country.

KSigMason does not serve our country.

Those who supposedly serve our country our members of the military.

KSigMason is not a member of the military.

He is a member of Freemasonry.

Members of Freemasonry do not serve our country as they are not a part of the military.

I think your head is up somewhere where it doesn't belong jane doe.

Time to get it out of there before it gets stuck forever.

BlueAngel
08-20-2010, 08:42 PM
Okay, i'm moderate, and know that there are many splinter groups, Hitler had a massive ego, however Himmler did follow some esoteric symbolism as in Death Head SS.

Hi KSigmason,

Noting frrom previous threads that you are involved in a Research Lodge, will you be attending "The Premier Masonic Research Conference" in Alexandria, Virginia starting on Friday 27th May 2011?
Link below:-

ICHF 2011 - Masonic Research at the International Conference on the History of Freemasonry (http://ichfonline.org/)

Thanks for inquiring of the Mason, Monk, but, just so we are clear.

Not ONE PERSON on this forum, poster; reader; or otherwise has any interest in what KSigMason is doing other than yourself and, I have no clue why you would care.

KSigMason
08-20-2010, 11:35 PM
Hi KSigmason,

Noting frrom previous threads that you are involved in a Research Lodge, will you be attending "The Premier Masonic Research Conference" in Alexandria, Virginia starting on Friday 27th May 2011?
Link below:-

ICHF 2011 - Masonic Research at the International Conference on the History of Freemasonry (http://ichfonline.org/)
No, I'll still be deployed so nothing really Masonic until I come back.

KSigMason does not serve our country.

Those who supposedly serve our country our members of the military.

KSigMason is not a member of the military.

He is a member of Freemasonry.

Members of Freemasonry do not serve our country as they are not a part of the military.

I think your head is up somewhere where it doesn't belong jane doe.

Time to get it out of there before it gets stuck forever.
That's really offensive Blue Angel. I've served honorably for over 8-years now. You can say all you want, but I know the truth and as with Freemasonry what I know is more accurate than what you think.

My membership in Freemasonry does not affect my status as a soldier. I know many soldiers who are also Freemasons, and you can usually find a Lodge not too far from a base.

BlueAngel
08-21-2010, 12:00 AM
No, I'll still be deployed so nothing really Masonic until I come back.


That's really offensive Blue Angel. I've served honorably for over 8-years now. You can say all you want, but I know the truth and as with Freemasonry what I know is more accurate than what you think.

My membership in Freemasonry does not affect my status as a soldier. I know many soldiers who are also Freemasons, and you can usually find a Lodge not too far from a base.

No.

It's not offensive.

Please.

Do tell.

How have you served our country honorably for the past eight years?

To where are you being deployed?

Iraq?

Afghanistan?

What are you?

Army?

Marine?

Navy?

Air Force?

BlueAngel
08-21-2010, 12:31 AM
Hi Blue Angel,

Yes it would be nice to drag KSigMason back, it seems he ran away when i become a member...i wonder why?

I don't think that it would be nice to drag him back, but that's just my opinion.

Don't fool yourself.

KSigMason didn't run away when you became a member.

He only posts when alerted to a Freemason comment and those are very few.

monk
08-21-2010, 06:29 AM
Hi Ksigmason,

Have you found that secret societies of all kinds align to the egyptian god stars of Alnilam and Sirius, the alignments are at the start of the day of event, at sunrise, sunset or midnight.

The Premier Masonic Research Conference starts on 27th May 2011, being a Friday, and being a working day this would start in the evening.

Obviously sunset would be an obvious choice to align to the centre star of the Belt of Orion.

On attachment i'm showing a astronomy graph looking West at location along the horizon, it shows Alnilam setting with the Sun at location, when image comes up please click on image again to make larger....most of Washington D.C. is aligned to either Sirius or Alnilam by this process.....do you know anything about all this?

jane doe
08-21-2010, 07:27 AM
If Ksigmason really exists as an independant thought, how do these thoughts about current war effect you intellectually?

INFORMATION CLEARING HOUSE. NEWS, COMMENTARY & INSIGHT (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/)


BlueAngel, my body is within a structure under the ground, perhaps my thoughts are below yours not above yours.

monk
08-22-2010, 10:03 AM
Hi Ksigmason,

Where are you?

Hi Blue Angel,

Please note we come from different nations, so my use of English may confuse, in truth i don't have any disagreement with you, but i want to nail Ksigmason....in general i write on science forums thus may be confusing, but it won't be to Ksigmason.

Ksigmason, please look at this thread....on the BBC Open University!

In truth as always you can change page at bottom of page, however i'm leaving a link to page 22, please work backwards, perhaps casual readers won't be interested in the first few pages as it is about PHI:-

Comments on: "The Language of the Universe" - Page 22 - Open2 Forums (http://www.open2.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5113&page=22)

Why have so many nations been aligned to the stars....Why so many terrorist attacks and coups (Alnilam and Sirius)??????

monk
08-22-2010, 08:47 PM
As you know The SS-Totenkopfverbande used to wear the skull and bones on their hat:-

SS-Totenkopfverbände - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Totenkopfverb%C3%A4nde)

It can offend like the swastika...so why do American Battalions and Squadrons use it?

4th Reconnaissance Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_Reconnaissance_Battalion)

3rd Reconnaissance Battalion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_Reconnaissance_Battalion)

VF-84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VF-84)

They also are aligned to Sirius or Alnilam..why?

jane doe
08-23-2010, 04:15 PM
irl, RL sells 'skull and bones' engraved glassware. It's just a symbol. There are more dangerous, non-symbol-attached people.

KSigMason
08-24-2010, 01:49 PM
No.

It's not offensive.

Please.

Do tell.

How have you served our country honorably for the past eight years?

To where are you being deployed?

Iraq?

Afghanistan?

What are you?

Army?

Marine?

Navy?

Air Force?
It is offensive when you don't know the facts, but act like you do.

I've served in Emergency Responses in Idaho (fire and flood disasters), training forces in Japan, and serving in Operation Iraqi Freedom III. When I was in Iraq I was up in Kirkuk (a mixed region with some Arabs, mostly kurds, a few Turks, and a small amount of Chaldean Assyrians).

I hold a MOS of 15W (used to be 35K and before that 96U in designation). I hold a secondary MOS of 35F (used to be 96B). I've trained at bases all over the world. And if you didn't realize by my MOS designations, I'm in the US Army. HOOAH!

Hi Ksigmason,

Have you found that secret societies of all kinds align to the egyptian god stars of Alnilam and Sirius, the alignments are at the start of the day of event, at sunrise, sunset or midnight.

The Premier Masonic Research Conference starts on 27th May 2011, being a Friday, and being a working day this would start in the evening.

Obviously sunset would be an obvious choice to align to the centre star of the Belt of Orion.

On attachment i'm showing a astronomy graph looking West at location along the horizon, it shows Alnilam setting with the Sun at location, when image comes up please click on image again to make larger....most of Washington D.C. is aligned to either Sirius or Alnilam by this process.....do you know anything about all this?
The stars have always played an important role in our history. The ancient world powers really did set the course for modern astronomy and how humans interact with the stars. Cool chart. I wish I could've gone to that as I would've been Master of the Idaho Lodge of Research this year but I had to step down due to this upcoming deployment. I would've been paid some per diem to go to any Masonic Research conference. :D

BlueAngel
08-24-2010, 07:49 PM
Dear KSigMason,

You've served in fire and flood diasters in Idaho as an ARMY military personnel?

What do you mean by training forces in Japan?

What is your ARMY speciality?

When did you join the Army and at what age?

In what capacity as a military personnel in the ARMY did you serve in Iraqi Operation Freedom III while you were stationed in Iraq up in Kirkuk (a mixed region with some Arabs, mostly kurds, a few Turks, and a small amount of Chaldean Assyrians)?

Front line?

What is an MOS of 15W?

What is a secondary MOS 35W?

What is your ARMY rank?

Why have you trained at military bases all over the world?

How many times has the ARMY deployed you in the past eight years to serve our country in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Where else have you been deployed and what were the durations of those deployments including Iraq and Afghanistan?

Sincerely,
BlueAngel

P.S. Thanks for informing all of us here at CC that you are on active military duty and have been for the past eight years as, after all of your time on this forum, I believe this is the first you've mentioned it.

I thought you were a full-time college student from your previous posts.

:confused:

jane doe
08-25-2010, 12:45 PM
For god's sake, what's your chicken paprika recipe?

KSigMason
08-25-2010, 02:38 PM
Dear KSigMason,

You've served in fire and flood diasters in Idaho as an ARMY military personnel?

What do you mean by training forces in Japan?

What is your ARMY speciality?

When did you join the Army and at what age?

In what capacity as a military personnel in the ARMY did you serve in Iraqi Operation Freedom III while you were stationed in Iraq up in Kirkuk (a mixed region with some Arabs, mostly kurds, a few Turks, and a small amount of Chaldean Assyrians)?

Front line?

What is an MOS of 15W?

What is a secondary MOS 35W?

What is your ARMY rank?

Why have you trained at military bases all over the world?

How many times has the ARMY deployed you in the past eight years to serve our country in Iraq or Afghanistan?

Where else have you been deployed and what were the durations of those deployments including Iraq and Afghanistan?

Sincerely,
BlueAngel

P.S. Thanks for informing all of us here at CC that you are on active military duty and have been for the past eight years as, after all of your time on this forum, I believe this is the first you've mentioned it.

I thought you were a full-time college student from your previous posts.

:confused:
I’m a member of the Idaho Army National Guard and as such respond to natural disasters that occur in my State, and other State’s if that State needs assistance. When I first enlisted I was a traditional Guardsman, but now I’m a Active Guardsman, which is like Active Duty, but I get paid by the State not the Federal government.

I mean, I went to Japan and was a part of a joint military war fighter exercise. It’s called Yama Sakura. I had a blast there, but I only picked up a little of the language, but I had an interpreter with me.

I was in Kirkuk, Iraq, from December 04 to November 05. I was an Intelligence Analyst, but now that’s my Secondary specialty. MOS = military occupational specialty, 15W = UAV operator, and 35F = Intelligence Analyst.

I am currently a SGT, but am at the the top 5 of the promotion list in the UAV and top of the list for Intelligence Analyst.

I have trained all over because I’ve attended several different war fighter exercises and then I deployed to Iraq. I’ve only been deployed once before, but if you include the training before we entered into Iraq I was deployed for 18-months, but the time in Iraq was no more than 12-months.


My military life was never brought up so I never discussed it. I do still go to college, sometimes online, and sometimes on the weekend. Also, when the deployment orders came out I stopped being a student. While I’m in Iraq I may have time for some online courses, but not sure. When I’m home I’m going back to being a traditional guardsman and a full-time student

BlueAngel
08-27-2010, 01:22 AM
I’m a member of the Idaho Army National Guard and as such respond to natural disasters that occur in my State, and other State’s if that State needs assistance. When I first enlisted I was a traditional Guardsman, but now I’m a Active Guardsman, which is like Active Duty, but I get paid by the State not the Federal government.

I mean, I went to Japan and was a part of a joint military war fighter exercise. It’s called Yama Sakura. I had a blast there, but I only picked up a little of the language, but I had an interpreter with me.

I was in Kirkuk, Iraq, from December 04 to November 05. I was an Intelligence Analyst, but now that’s my Secondary specialty. MOS = military occupational specialty, 15W = UAV operator, and 35F = Intelligence Analyst.

I am currently a SGT, but am at the the top 5 of the promotion list in the UAV and top of the list for Intelligence Analyst.

I have trained all over because I’ve attended several different war fighter exercises and then I deployed to Iraq. I’ve only been deployed once before, but if you include the training before we entered into Iraq I was deployed for 18-months, but the time in Iraq was no more than 12-months.


My military life was never brought up so I never discussed it. I do still go to college, sometimes online, and sometimes on the weekend. Also, when the deployment orders came out I stopped being a student. While I’m in Iraq I may have time for some online courses, but not sure. When I’m home I’m going back to being a traditional guardsman and a full-time student

Obviously your military life was never brought up by anyone on this forum because we didn't know you had a military life and, therefore, it would be impossible for us to bring it up.

WOW!

You're an Idaho National Guardsman, an Army sergeant and an Army intelligence analyst.

You've engaged in joint military war fighter exercises all over the world, and, while in Japan, during one of these joint military war fighter exercises, you had a blast and your own personal interpreter, supplied by the Army, but only learned a little of the language.

Sounds like a lot of fun.

What do you do when you ATTEND these joint military war fighter exercises all over the world as an Intelligence Analyst?

You were deployed to Iraq as an intelligence analyst, but that's now your secondary specialty.

So, what is your first SPECIALITY?

You said you were deployed to Iraq as an Intelligence Analyst but then you say you are at the top of the list for Intelligence Analyst.

So, in what capacity will you be serving our country when you are deployed to Iraq for your second tour?

You're being deployed to Iraq.

Huh?

I do, sincerely, hope that while you're in Iraq you have time for some on-line courses.

P.S. I don't think you should write much more about your deployments, war exercises, and how much fun you are having as a member of the military during this war, cause, quite frankly, it somewhat diminishes those who are on the front lines; those who have lost their lives; those who have lost their limbs, and aren't having much fun.

I'm certain your next post will be about how you're front-line infantry.

P.S. What is your education as far as being employed by the Army as an intelligence analyst?

Can't wait to learn the answers to my last questions.

You disgust me and I'm certain if any other military personnel and/or families are reading your posts, you disgust them, as well.

Kindly refrain from writing any further on this forum about the WONDERFUL time you're having as a member of the military and you're deployments to Iraq or I'll have to BAN YOU due to your own TOTAL and COMPLETE IGNORANCE.

Thanking you in advance,
BA

BlueAngel
08-27-2010, 02:18 AM
For god's sake, what's your chicken paprika recipe?

Please refrain from forsaking God when addressing me.

I don't keep quiet about many of our family secrets, but the receipes, well, I hold them dear unlike the others.

:eek:

jane doe
08-27-2010, 04:29 PM
Please refrain from forsaking God when addressing me.


God told me to ask you. :)

KSigMason
08-28-2010, 01:01 PM
You're an Idaho National Guardsman, an Army sergeant and an Army intelligence analyst.
You got it.

You've engaged in joint military war fighter exercises all over the world, and, while in Japan, during one of these joint military war fighter exercises, you had a blast and your own personal interpreter, supplied by the Army, but only learned a little of the language.
Japanese is not an easy language to pick up in 3-weeks. The interpreter was assigned to my section, that's not that uncommon when traveling in foreign countries. If I didn’t have him with me I just relied on what little I knew and using body language.

What do you do when you ATTEND these joint military war fighter exercises all over the world as an Intelligence Analyst?
I was in an Intel section. Sometimes I was in charge, sometimes I was in charge of security, and others I was in charge of maintaining the database. It just depended on who was there and what needed to be done.

You were deployed to Iraq as an intelligence analyst, but that's now your secondary specialty.

So, what is your first SPECIALITY?
Correct. I changed my primary specialty from Intel to UAV operator.

You said you were deployed to Iraq as an Intelligence Analyst but then you say you are at the top of the list for Intelligence Analyst.
The enlisted promotion system uses a point system. I compared my score to both of my specialties and I was on the top of the list.

So, in what capacity will you be serving our country when you are deployed to Iraq for your second tour?
UAV Operator.

P.S. I don't think you should write much more about your deployments, war exercises, and how much fun you are having as a member of the military during this war, cause, quite frankly, it somewhat diminishes those who are on the front lines; those who have lost their lives; those who have lost their limbs, and aren't having much fun.
I only said I had fun in Japan, not in Iraq.

P.S. What is your education as far as being employed by the Army as an intelligence analyst?
Civilian education? I have an Associates in Intel Operations.

Military? I graduated top of my class, went to ASAS-L Master course, and when I get back from this deployment I will attend the Master Analyst course.

Don’t worry, BlueAngel, you disgust me as well.

BlueAngel
08-28-2010, 09:34 PM
You got it.


Japanese is not an easy language to pick up in 3-weeks. The interpreter was assigned to my section, that's not that uncommon when traveling in foreign countries. If I didn’t have him with me I just relied on what little I knew and using body language.


I was in an Intel section. Sometimes I was in charge, sometimes I was in charge of security, and others I was in charge of maintaining the database. It just depended on who was there and what needed to be done.


Correct. I changed my primary specialty from Intel to UAV operator.


The enlisted promotion system uses a point system. I compared my score to both of my specialties and I was on the top of the list.


UAV Operator.


I only said I had fun in Japan, not in Iraq.


Civilian education? I have an Associates in Intel Operations.

Military? I graduated top of my class, went to ASAS-L Master course, and when I get back from this deployment I will attend the Master Analyst course.

Don’t worry, BlueAngel, you disgust me as well.

I'm not worried, but, just so you know, I don't believe anything you write about yourself.

I think it's all a pack of lies.

My assessment is that you're a LIAR.

Please, do the forum a favor and go away.

Thanking you in advance,
BA

KSigMason
08-28-2010, 09:49 PM
I'm not worried, but, just so you know, I don't believe anything you write about yourself.

It think it's all a pack of lies.
Well that is your opinion but its incorrect. My training and accomplishments are well documented by the J1 and saved on iPerms (DD 214, DA 1059, and so on). And same for the Masons. I have a certificate for proficiency, Past Master, Order of the Temple, Order of the High Priesthood, and York Rite College.I also have certificates for my time in Kappa Sigma.

You don't like anyone who doesn't just mindlessly follow your line of thinking. I've spoken the truth for Freemasonry against the relentless lies and rumors. Some, especially those who have posted their disdain, may be beyond help, but the silent reader has a chance to see beyond the baseless defamation and see Freemasonry for what its is, and not how you try and paint it.

KSigMason
08-28-2010, 10:15 PM
That's my opinion and I'm sticking by it and, FYI, I, personally, don't care about your training and/or accomplishments and whether or not they are well documented.

Sorry to inform you, but I highly doubt there is anyone who cares about your accomplishments other than yourself.

It has less to do with me thinking that anyone should follow my line of thinking, but more with how you think everyone should follow your line of thinking.

I couldn't care any less about your training and accomplishments being well documented or anything else that you do.
And you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is, but you can't say what I have or have not done as you don't know. Real life beats opinion every time.

BlueAngel
08-28-2010, 10:31 PM
And you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it is, but you can't say what I have or have not done as you don't know. Real life beats opinion every time.

Like I said.

I don't care what you have or haven't done and I'm quite certain no one else cares either.

Huh?

Real life beats opinion every time.

Yeah.

Whatever.

KSigMason
08-28-2010, 10:46 PM
Like I said.

I don't care what you have or haven't done and I'm quite certain no one else cares either.

Huh?

Real life beats opinion every time.

Yeah.

Whatever.
Well, then you can't logically or rationally argue your point, and expect to be taken serious. You're just dismissing something when you can't argue against it. That's a fail.

BlueAngel
08-28-2010, 11:11 PM
Well, then you can't logically or rationally argue your point, and expect to be taken serious. You're just dismissing something when you can't argue against it. That's a fail.

Sorry, but I'm not arguing any point.

Like I said.

No one cares about what you do and/or what you consider to be your accomplishments.

Not an argument.

Just a fact.

Facts, my friend, cannot be argued.

Therfore, you are right.

I cannot argue against my point because it is a fact.

No one cares what you do and/or what you consider to be your accomplishments.

BlueAngel
08-28-2010, 11:34 PM
Like I said, KSigMason, you are a disgrace to all the men and women who serve in the armed forces and have lost their lives, limbs and are paralyzed from their service in Afghanistan and/or Iraq while you boast about some cushy intelligence military job you PRETEND to possess and all the fun you had while training in war fighter exercises all over the world and, in particular, in Japan.

Please, do tell.

As I previously asked.

What type of war fighter exercises have you engaged in all over the world?

BlueAngel
08-28-2010, 11:42 PM
Look, KSigMason.

Just tell us right here and right now what type of war fighter exercises you have engaged in all over the world.

BlueAngel
08-29-2010, 12:04 AM
Dear KsigMason:

Kindly do this forum a favor and take your BS elsewhere cause it's not welcome here.

In other words.

Go away.

Cause, quite frankly, we don't care who and what your accomplishments are.

Not interested in the least bit.

Thanking you in advance,
BA

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 12:33 AM
I'm not going anywhere. I'm here to discuss things. Quit throwing a fit because I threw your questions back into your face.

BlueAngel
08-29-2010, 12:41 AM
I'm not going anywhere. I'm here to discuss things. Quit throwing a fit because I threw your questions back into your face.

Sorry, pal, but I'm not throwing a fit because you think you threw questions back in my face.

Any questions thrown into my face, I answer, without a problem and/or a fit.

Any questions thrown into your face, you don't answer.

Such as what war exercises did you engage in while stationed all over the world?

You are a disgrace to all the military men and women who serve our country.

Kindly refrain from posting on this forum.

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 12:55 AM
I told you about the one I attended one in Japan called the Yama Sakura. Was that not answering you questions? And I have not broken any rules and only endulged in banter with you. If that is breaking the rules then you are just as guilty as myself.

Anywho, to get way back onto topic. I posted a bunch of links about how the Nazis persecuted the Freemasons. BlueAngel, can you disprove any of those with credible sources?

BlueAngel
08-29-2010, 01:06 AM
I told you about the one I attended one in Japan called the Yama Sakura. Was that not answering you questions? And I have not broken any rules and only endulged in banter with you. If that is breaking the rules then you are just as guilty as myself.

Anywho, to get way back onto topic. I posted a bunch of links about how the Nazis persecuted the Freemasons. BlueAngel, can you disprove any of those with credible sources?

Answer the question.

What type of war fighter exercises have you engaged in all over the world?

The one you told us about in Japan does not suffice because you gave no details about any war fighter exercises except to say you had a blast.

WE want details.

Japan doesn't represent the world in which you say you have engaged in war exercises.

Tell us about the war exercises in which you have engaged in all over the world.

The Nazi's persecuted the Freemasons?

HUH?

In what reality do you live?

Make-belive?

No.

I cannot disprove your links whatever they are.

Can you prove them?

Do all of us a favor.

Cease and desist from posting on this forum.

Thanking you in advance.
BA

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 01:14 AM
What war exercises have you trained in all over the world?
What part of "exercise in Japan" didn't you understand? I also did one in Hawaii. I've also done one in NY. Trained with S Koreans. Trained with Aussies, but that was Kuwait. I missed the one to Germany and Canada, but I'll have more chance

I said I would BAN for disgracing the men and women of our military who serve on our front lines while you go on and on about the wonderful time you're having while serving our country in whatever capacity you claim to seve our country.

That's what I said and belive me, pal, I'll ban you due to sheer utter disregard and ignorance for those who have lost thie rlives, limbs. and otherwise in the name of so-called freedom.

Don't test me.
Wow, so I didn't break any rules, but I'll get banned anyways? Nice. I'm not a disgrace. Can I not have a pleasant experience (good life skills, training, education, leadership, etc) in the military? Its not always rainbows and sunshine. I've lost friends and seen people die. I've seen horrors that I'll never share to anyone. I've had to have my knee worked on to stay in and my back isn't too far behind from needing fixing. I've suffered burns on my neck from the last deployment that have luckily healed. I had to overcome anxiety, a short temper, and a slight drinking problem. In the end though, joining was the best thing I ever did.

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 01:22 AM
Here is an article from that era:

Montreal Gazette: NAZIS PRESS QUEST FOR FOES IN VIENNA (http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=wBUyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=SKgFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6757,2492571&dq=freemasonry+nazi&hl=en)

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 01:25 AM
Can yo prove them?
The numerous links I posted are proof that Nazis persecuted the Freemasons.

BlueAngel
08-29-2010, 01:40 AM
What part of "exercise in Japan" didn't you understand? I also did one in Hawaii. I've also done one in NY. Trained with S Koreans. Trained with Aussies, but that was Kuwait. I missed the one to Germany and Canada, but I'll have more chance


Wow, so I didn't break any rules, but I'll get banned anyways? Nice. I'm not a disgrace. Can I not have a pleasant experience (good life skills, training, education, leadership, etc) in the military? Its not always rainbows and sunshine. I've lost friends and seen people die. I've seen horrors that I'll never share to anyone. I've had to have my knee worked on to stay in and my back isn't too far behind from needing fixing. I've suffered burns on my neck from the last deployment that have luckily healed. I had to overcome anxiety, a short temper, and a slight drinking problem. In the end though, joining was the best thing I ever did.

Yep.

Like I said.

You are a complete and utter disgrace.

Have a good experience in the military, pal, but don't talk about it.

You may be banned due to your complete disregard and ignorance of those who serve in our military; don't have good experiences and don't live to talk about their bad experiences.

Sorry, pal, but that's the way I call it and since I'm the moderator of this forum that's the way I call it.

I have nothing but complete respect for those who serve the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX in whatever regard due to sheer ignorance or otherwise.

For you, I have none since you blatantly profess your happy times in the military when we all know that serving in the military does not encompass such.

Again.

Please explain to the forum what military war exercises you have engaged in and why you had to have your knee worked on; your back not too far behind and WORKED ON and why you suffered burns on your neck from the last deployment.

Burns on your neck from what?

KSigMason
08-29-2010, 01:49 AM
Well then ban then if you're really an all mighty moderator. Its not like you'll get rid of me completely.

FYI, I'm not giving details of the war exercises as I can't.

BlueAngel
08-29-2010, 01:57 AM
The numerous links I posted are proof that Nazis persecuted the Freemasons.

You haven't posted numerous links of anything that prove anything.

Go away.

We all thank you!

KSigMason
08-30-2010, 01:00 AM
You haven't posted numerous links of anything that prove anything.
So I guess the 10 links I have posted don't count as numerous links as they are from credible sources or provide credible sources. I guess since its not anti-Masons.com or FreemasonryWatch, I guess its not credible.

Go away.
No.

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 07:32 PM
6. Usage Rules. We reserve the right to deny you access to any and all parts of this Site and suspend or terminate your account, for any reason or no reason, and at our sole discretion.

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:14 PM
What part of "exercise in Japan" didn't you understand? I also did one in Hawaii. I've also done one in NY. Trained with S Koreans. Trained with Aussies, but that was Kuwait. I missed the one to Germany and Canada, but I'll have more chance


Wow, so I didn't break any rules, but I'll get banned anyways? Nice. I'm not a disgrace. Can I not have a pleasant experience (good life skills, training, education, leadership, etc) in the military? Its not always rainbows and sunshine. I've lost friends and seen people die. I've seen horrors that I'll never share to anyone. I've had to have my knee worked on to stay in and my back isn't too far behind from needing fixing. I've suffered burns on my neck from the last deployment that have luckily healed. I had to overcome anxiety, a short temper, and a slight drinking problem. In the end though, joining was the best thing I ever did.

We are so thrilled that you have engaged in war fighter exercises in Japan wherein you had a blast. Hopefully, not a blast to your face, arms or legs as those who serve in our military on the front lines endure.

We are, as well, thrilled that you will have another opportunity to engage in war fighter training exercises in Germany and Canada since you, apparently, missed your first opportunity.

Yes.

You can be banned whether you break any rules or not.

I refer you to 6(a).

No.

You can't have a pleasant experience in the military when the majority of those who serve in the military do not and although you are having quite a pleasant time, I suggest you keep it to yourself.

How did you lose friends and see people die?

Please, share the horrors that you've seen.

Did these occur while serving on the front lines or during your war fighter training exercises?

How did your military experience wound your knees and back so that they require work and how was it that your neck was burned during your last deployment?

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:26 PM
I told you about the one I attended one in Japan called the Yama Sakura. Was that not answering you questions? And I have not broken any rules and only endulged in banter with you. If that is breaking the rules then you are just as guilty as myself.

Anywho, to get way back onto topic. I posted a bunch of links about how the Nazis persecuted the Freemasons. BlueAngel, can you disprove any of those with credible sources?

You didn't tell us anything about anything you attended in Japan other than to say you attended.

I wasn't there.

I didn't take attendance.

So, I can't verify that you were present and neither can you because WE don't believe anything you say.

Sorry, pal, but I'm not just as guilty as you of anything.

Please post the bunch of links that you say you posted about how the Nazi's persecuted the Freemason's on this link and I'll do my best to disprove them with credible sources.

As if your links care credible sources!

P.S. In case you weren't aware, this forum's address is not www.KSigMason.com because, for the most part, the readers and members of this forum don't care about your life.

You might want to start a blog about yourself and boast there instead of boasting about yourself here on CC, because, quite frankly, my friend, CC is not about you.

KSigMason
08-30-2010, 10:34 PM
I don't know what you have up your ass, but you need to drop the attitude. Quit threatening me. If you're going to ban me, ban me, or shut up.

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:43 PM
I don't know what you have up your ass, but you need to drop the attitude. Quit threatening me. If you're going to ban me, ban me, or shut up.

I will ban you, KSigMason when I feel so inclined.

However, in the interim, I will not shut up nor drop my attitude because you suggest that I do so and last I checked there isn't anything up my ar*e.

LOL!

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:56 PM
6. Usage Rules. We reserve the right to deny you access to any and all parts of this Site and suspend or terminate your account, for any reason or no reason, and at our sole discretion.

Are we clear?

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:58 PM
The numerous links I posted are proof that Nazis persecuted the Freemasons.

Nothing you post is proof of anything.

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 10:59 PM
Well then ban then if you're really an all mighty moderator. Its not like you'll get rid of me completely.

FYI, I'm not giving details of the war exercises as I can't.

Sorry to inform you, but CC is not interested in the least bit in any details about your war fighting training exercises or any details about you and/or your life for that matter.

To the contrary.

When I ban you, WE will be rid of you completely.

Although you are under the impression that this forum is about you and all that you do, it isn't.

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 11:28 PM
Hi Ksigmason,

Where are you?

Hi Blue Angel,

Please note we come from different nations, so my use of English may confuse, in truth i don't have any disagreement with you, but i want to nail Ksigmason....in general i write on science forums thus may be confusing, but it won't be to Ksigmason.

Ksigmason, please look at this thread....on the BBC Open University!

In truth as always you can change page at bottom of page, however i'm leaving a link to page 22, please work backwards, perhaps casual readers won't be interested in the first few pages as it is about PHI:-

Comments on: "The Language of the Universe" - Page 22 - Open2 Forums (http://www.open2.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5113&page=22)

Why have so many nations been aligned to the stars....Why so many terrorist attacks and coups (Alnilam and Sirius)??????

Excuse me, but I have no clue why you would want to waste your time trying to nail KSigMason.

He is unimportant.

Try posting something on this forum that is significant.

KSigMason is not.

Thanks,
BA

BlueAngel
08-30-2010, 11:45 PM
KSigMason said:

My training and accomplishments are well documented by the J1 and saved on iPerms (DD 214, DA 1059, and so on). And same for the Masons. I have a certificate for proficiency, Past Master, Order of the Temple, Order of the High Priesthood, and York Rite College.I also have certificates for my time in Kappa Sigma.

-------------------

We are just so happy that all of KSigMason's training and accomplishments are well documented by the J1 and saved on iPerms (DD 214, DA 1059, and so on).

Thank GOD for J1 and iPerms (DD 214, DA 1059, and so on) as they have well documented and saved all of KSigmason's accomplishments and training!

Don't know what we would do without J1 and iPerms.

Thank you for documenting all of KSigMason's accomplishments.

I, for one, would be extremely upset if all of KSigMason's training and accomplishments were not well documented by the J1 and iPerms because I am thoroughly and completely interested in all that he does.

KSigMason
08-30-2010, 11:57 PM
You're like a little Nazi. Nothing is right unless you say it is. I bet you feel big playing god in your little site. Pathetic really.

Anyway, nothing you have posted is proof that the Masons are evil or have ever dabbed into evil. Next.

BlueAngel
08-31-2010, 12:06 AM
You're like a little Nazi. Nothing is right unless you say it is. I bet you feel big playing god in your little site. Pathetic really.

Anyway, nothing you have posted is proof that the Masons are evil or have ever dabbed into evil. Next.

You can say that I'm like a little Nazi and nothing is right unless i say it is but that doesn't mean that what you say is the truth much like the rest of what you post on this forum.

I don't play GOD.

I merely moderate this forum.

Nothing you have posted is proof that Mason's aren't evil.

Next.

KSigMason
08-31-2010, 12:20 AM
Well, a balanced moderator wouldn't moderate the very thread they are involved with as you are not a bias party. Is there a way to report your ass?

BlueAngel
08-31-2010, 12:51 AM
Well, a balanced moderator wouldn't moderate the very thread they are involved with as you are not a bias party. Is there a way to report your ass?

Thanks for your input as it pertains to the moderator of this forum, (i.e., BlueAngel a/k/a myself), but, it doesn't matter.

You're a member.

I'm the moderator.

Don't like it?

Go somewhere else.

A balanced moderator does moderate the very threads that they are involved with and the threads which they are not involved with, as well.

THEY MODERATE THE FORUM WHICH INCLUDES ALL THREADS.

Thank you for your opinion, but WE don't need you to tell us how to operate this forum.

I'll handle the forum, pal, and you go about your business with Freemasonry and the Army.

Yes.

There are plenty of ways to report my ar*e, but I highly doubt any of them will result to your satisfaction.

BlueAngel
08-31-2010, 01:15 AM
We are so thrilled that you have engaged in war fighter exercises in Japan wherein you had a blast. Hopefully, not a blast to your face, arms or legs as those who serve in our military on the front lines endure.

We are, as well, thrilled that you will have another opportunity to engage in war fighter training exercises in Germany and Canada since you, apparently, missed your first opportunity.

Yes.

You can be banned whether you break any rules or not.

I refer you to 6(a).

No.

You can't have a pleasant experience in the military when the majority of those who serve in the military do not and although you are having quite a pleasant time, I suggest you keep it to yourself, you moron.

How did you lose friends and see people die?

Please, share the horrors that you've seen.

Did these occur while serving on the front lines or during your war fighter training exercises?

How did your military experience wound your knees and back so that they require work and how was it that your neck was burned during your last deployment?

Care to elaborate, KSigMason?

How did you lose friends and see people die in the Iraq/Afghanistan war?

KSigMason
08-31-2010, 11:58 AM
So what real life experiences in your life lead you to believe the Masons were evil, and specifically for this thread, tied to the Nazis?

BlueAngel
09-01-2010, 10:37 PM
So what real life experiences in your life lead you to believe the Masons were evil, and specifically for this thread, tied to the Nazis?

Sorry, KSigMason, but I'm not going to answer any of your questions until you answer some of mine.

FYI, PAPA authored this thread, not I, so I suggest you direct your question about me being lead to believe that Freemason's are tied to the Nazi's to him/her because I never said such a thing.

I don't recall that I ever said the Mason's were evil either, as you claim that I have, but if you can provide a quote wherein I stated same, I will be happy to elaborate.

JBoy
11-07-2010, 02:40 PM
Salomon Morel
[back] Swietochlowice camp (http://www.whale.to/b/swietochlowice_h.html)
[Commandant of Swietochlowice which was set up by the Soviet NKVD - forerunner of the KGB - after the Red Army's liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the Polish secret service, the notorious UB.]http://www.whale.to/b/180px-Salomon_Morel.jpg
[1998] Israelis Protect Concentration Camp Boss (http://www.whale.to/b/swietochlowice.html)
[1993] The Commandant (http://www.whale.to/b/commandant.html) [1994] Poles Review Postwar Treatment of Germans (http://www.whale.to/b/november_1.html)
Corroboration (http://www.whale.to/b/corroboration.html)
See the photographs (http://www.johnsack.com/an_eye_for_an_eye_photographs.htm)
Quotes
Swietochlowice was set up by the Soviet NKVD - forerunner of the KGB - after the Red Army's liberation of southern Poland. The camp was later handed over to the Polish secret service, the notorious UB. Stalin's policy was to put Jews in charge of camps. Their experiences during the Nazi Holocaust would mean that Germans and Poles held there could expect little mercy. More than half of the 3,000 prisoners at Swietochlowice were murdered or died there, according to PAP. [1998] Israelis Protect Concentration Camp Boss (http://www.whale.to/b/swietochlowice.html)
In May, 1995, after a six-year investigation, the Provincial Commission (in Katowice) for the Investigation of Crimes Against the Polish Nation, reported on the concentration camp at Swietochlowice, first reported in An Eye for an Eye. The Commission said,
"The camp commander, Salomon Morel, was undoubtedly responsible for not preventing the mass deaths of at least 1,583 people. No matter what they were detained for, the use against them of methods resembling those used in the concentration camps by the Nazis isn’t acceptable. These were extermination methods. For them, the full responsibility rests with Salomon Morel, who not only didn’t prevent them but who personally used them." Corroboration (http://www.whale.to/b/corroboration.html)
Dorota Boriczek, a camp survivor, remembers Salomon Morel as a barbaric and cruel man who, with his colleagues, was responsible for many killings of inmates. "I knew Morel in the camp. He was a very brutal man. He was young then. He would come in at night. We could hear the cries of the men then. They would beat them and throw the bodies out of the window," Mrs Boriczek, now 68 andliving in Ludswigberg, Germany, told The Independent. [1998] Israelis Prote (http://www.whale.to/b/swietochlowice.html)

JBoy
11-07-2010, 02:46 PM
Operation Keelhaul
[1980 Reviewed by Charles Lutton] The Secret Betrayal by Nikolai Tolstoy (http://www.whale.to/b/lutton.html)
Quotes
Because of the many atrocities committed by the Jewish-directed Allies, not only the firestorm incineration of German civilians in many German cities, but the incineration of hundreds' of thousands of Japanese civilians in the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Operation Keelhaul, the murder of one million anti-Communist Russians who were ordered handed over to the Soviet executioners by Eisenhower, and many other horrors, it was necessary to invent a German atrocity which would eclipse these horrors. .......The "extermination" of the Jews seemed made to order. [1981] THE HOLOCAUST EXPLAINED By Eustace Mullins (http://www.whale.to/b/mullins12.html)
"Since the end of the war about 3,000,000 people, mostly women and children and overaged men, have been killed in eastern Germany and south-eastern Europe; about 15,000,000 people have been deported or had to flee from their homesteads and are on the road. About 25 per cent of these people, over 3,000,000 have perished. About 4,000,000 men and women have been deported to eastern Europe and Russia as slaves. It seems that the elimination of the German population of eastern Europe - at least 15,000,000 people - was planned in accordance with decisions made at Yalta. Churchill had said to Mikolajczyk when the latter protested during the negotiations at Moscow against forcing Poland to incorporate eastern Germany: "Don't mind the five or more million Germans. Stalin will see to them. You will have no trouble with them: they will cease to exist."
Quoted by Sen. Homer Capehart in speech before U.S. Senate, Feb. 5, 1946.

By Chance, was Eisenhower/Churchill Freemasons ?????????????????????..Ofcourse !!!!

JBoy
11-07-2010, 03:06 PM
] Mass Starvation of Germans, 1945-1950 (http://www.whale.to/b/starvation_of_germans.html)Eisenhower (http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower_h.html)Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans..A proud
Jewish freemason.....Zionist


"God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944) First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German soldier who survived through the battles of World II. You were not really politically involved, and your parents were also indifferent to politics, but suddenly your education was interrupted and you were drafted into the German army and told where to fight. Now, in the Spring of 1945, you see that your country has been demolished by the Allies, your cities lie in ruins, and half of your family has been killed or is missing. Now, your unit is being surrounded, and it is finally time to surrender. The fact is, there is no other choice. It has been a long, cold winter. The German army rations have not been all that good, but you managed to survive. Spring came late that year, with weeks of cold rainy weather in demolished Europe. Your boots are tattered, your uniform is falling apart, and the stress of surrender and the confusion that lies ahead for you has your guts being torn out. Now, it is over, you must surrender or be shot. This is war and the real world. You are taken as a German Prisoner of War into American hands. The Americans had 200 such Prisoner of War camps scattered across Germany. You are marched to a compound surrounded with barbed wire fences as far as the eye can see. Thousands upon thousands of your fellow German soldiers are already in this make-shift corral. You see no evidence of a latrine and after three hours of marching through the mud of the spring rain, the comfort of a latrine is upper-most in your mind. You are driven through the heavily guarded gate and find yourself free to move about, and you begin the futile search for the latrine. Finally, you ask for directions, and are informed that no such luxury exists. No more time. You find a place and squat. First you were exhausted, then hungry, then fearful, and now; dirty. Hundreds more German prisoners are behind you, pushing you on, jamming you together and every one of them searching for the latrine as soon as they could do so. Now, late in the day, there is no space to even squat, much less sit down to rest your weary legs. None of the prisoners, you quickly learn, have had any food that day, in fact there was no food while in the American hands that any surviving prisoner can testify to. No one has eaten any food for weeks, and they are slowly starving and dying. But, they can't do this to us! There are the Geneva Convention rules for the treatment of Prisoners of War. There must be some mistake! Hope continues through the night, with no shelter from the cold, biting rain. Your uniform is sopping wet, and formerly brave soldiers are weeping all around you, as buddy after buddy dies from the lack of food, water, sleep and shelter from the weather. After weeks of this, your own hope bleeds off into despair, and finally you actually begin to envy those who, having surrendered first manhood and then dignity, now also surrender life itself. More hopeless weeks go by. Finally, the last thing you remember is falling, unable to get up, and lying face down in the mud mixed with the excrement of those who have gone before. Your body will be picked up long after it is cold, and taken to a special tent where your clothing is stripped off. So that you will be quickly forgotten, and never again identified, your dog-tag is snipped in half and your body along with those of your fellow soldiers are covered with chemicals for rapid decomposition and buried. You were not one of the exceptions, for more than one million seven hundred thousand German Prisoners of War died from a deliberate policy of extermination by starvation, exposure, and disease, under direct orders of the General Dwight David Eisenhower. One month before the end of World War II, General Eisenhower issued special orders concerning the treatment of German Prisoners and specific in the language of those orders was this statement, "Prison enclosures are to provide no shelter or other comforts." Eisenhower biographer Stephen Ambrose, who was given access to the Eisenhower personal letters, states that he proposed to exterminate the entire German General Staff, thousands of people, after the war. Eisenhower, in his personal letters, did not merely hate the Nazi Regime, and the few who imposed its will down from the top, but that HE HATED THE GERMAN PEOPLE AS A RACE. It was his personal intent to destroy as many of them as he could, and one way was to wipe out as many prisoners of war as possible. Of course, that was illegal under International law, so he issued an order on March 10, 1945 and verified by his initials on a cable of that date, that German Prisoners of War be predesignated as "Disarmed Enemy Forces" called in these reports as DEF. He ordered that these Germans did not fall under the Geneva Rules, and were not to be fed or given any water or medical attention. The Swiss Red Cross was not to inspect the camps, for under the DEF classification, they had no such authority or jurisdiction. Months after the war was officially over, Eisenhower's special German DEF camps were still in operation forcing the men into confinement, but denying that they were prisoners. As soon as the war was over, General George Patton simply turned his prisoners loose to fend for themselves and find their way home as best they could. Eisenhower was furious, and issued a specific order to Patton, to turn these men over to the DEF camps. Knowing Patton as we do from history, we know that these orders were largely ignored, and it may well be that Patton's untimely and curious death may have been a result of what he knew about these wretched Eisenhower DEF camps. The book, OTHER LOSSES, found its way into the hands of a Canadian news reporter, Peter Worthington, of the OTTAWA SUN. He did his own research through contacts he had in Canada, and reported in his column on September 12,1989 the following, in part: "...it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater." "For years we have blamed the 1.7 million missing German POW's on the Russians. Until now, no one dug too deeply ... Witnesses and survivors have been interviewed by the author; one Allied officer compared the American camps to Buchenwald." It is known, that the Allies had sufficient stockpiles of food and medicine to care for these German soldiers. This was deliberately and intentionally denied them. Many men died of gangrene from frostbite due to deliberate exposure. Local German people who offered these men food, were denied. General Patton's Third Army was the only command in the European Theater to release significant numbers of Germans. Others, such as Omar Bradley and General J.C.H. Lee, Commander of Com Z, tried, and ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's end. However, a SHAEF Order, signed by Eisenhower, countermanded them on May 15th. Does that make you angry? What will it take to get the average apathetic American involved in saving his country from such traitors at the top? Thirty years ago, amid the high popularity of Eisenhower, a book was written setting out the political and moral philosophy; of Dwight David Eisenhower called, THE POLITICIAN, by Robert Welch. This year is the 107th Anniversary of Eisenhower's birth in Denison, Texas on October 14, 1890, the son of Jacob David Eisenhower and his wife Ida. Everyone is all excited about the celebration of this landmark in the history of "this American patriot." Senator Robert Dole, in honor of the Commander of the American Death Camps, proposed that Washington's Dulles Airport be renamed the Eisenhower Airport! The UNITED STATES MINT in Philadelphia, PA is actually issuing a special Eisenhower Centennial Silver Dollar for only $25 each. They will only mint 4 million of these collector's items, and veteran's magazines are promoting these coins under the slogan, "Remember the Man...Remember the Times..." Pardon me if I regurgitate! There will be some veterans who will not be buying these coins. Two will be Col. James Mason and Col. Charles Beasley who were in the U.S. Army Medical Corps who published a paper on the Eisenhower Death Camps in 1950. They stated in part: "Huddled close together for warmth, behind the barbed wire was a most awesome sight; nearly 100,000 haggard, apathetic, dirty, gaunt, blank-staring men clad in dirty gray uniforms, and standing ankle deep in mud ... water was a major problem, yet only 200 yards away the River Rhine was running bank-full." Another Veteran, who will not be buying any of the Eisenhower Silver Dollars is Martin Brech of Mahopac, New York, a semi-retired professor of philosophy at Mercy College in Dobbs Ferry, NY. In 1945, Brech was an 18 year old Private First Class in Company C of the 14th Infantry, assigned as a guard and interpreter at the Eisenhower Death Camp at Andernach, along the Rhine River. He stated for SPOTLIGHT, February 12, 1990: "My protests (regarding treatment of the German DEF'S) were met with hostility or indifference, and when I threw our ample rations to them over the barbed wire. I was threatened, making it clear that it was our deliberate policy not to adequately feed them." "When they caught me throwing C- Rations over the fence, they threatened me with imprisonment. One Captain told me that he would shoot me if he saw me again tossing food to the Germans ... Some of the men were really only boys 13 years of age...Some of the prisoners were old men drafted by Hitler in his last ditch stand ... I understand that average weight of the prisoners at Andernach was 90 pounds...I have received threats ... Nevertheless, this...has liberated me, for I may now be heard when I relate the horrible atrocity I witnessed as a prison guard for one of 'Ike's death camps' along the Rhine." (Betty Lou Smith Hanson) Note: Remember the photo of Ike's West Point yearbook picture when he was dubbed "IKE, THE TERRIBLE SWEDISH JEW"? By the way, he was next, or nearly so, to the last in his class. This article was first printed in 1990, but we thought it was meaningful to reprint it now. Note: During Cadet Eisenhower's time at West Point Academy, Eisenhower was summoned to the office of the headmaster and was asked some pointed questions. At the time, it was routine procedure to test a cadet's blood to insure White racial integrity. Apparently, there was a question of Eisenhower's racial lineage and this was brought to Eisenhower's attention by the headmaster. When asked if he was part Oriental, Eisenhower replied in the negative. After some discussion, Eisenhower admitted having Jewish background. The headmaster then reportedly said, "That's where you get your Oriental blood?" Although he was allowed to remain at the academy, word got around since this was a time in history when non-Whites were not allowed into the academy. Note - The issue of Eisenhower's little-known Jewish background in academically essential in understanding his psychopathic hatred of German men, women and children. Later, in Eisenhower's West Point Military Academy graduating class yearbook, published in 1915, Eisenhower is identified as a "terrible Swedish Jew." Wherever Eisenhower went during his military career, Eisenhower's Jewish background and secondary manifesting behavior was a concern to his fellow officers. During World War II when Col. Eisenhower was working for Gen. Douglas MacArthur in the South Pacific, MacArthur protested to his superiors in Washington (DC) that Eisenhower was incompetent and that he did not want Eisenhower on his staff. In 1943, Washington not only transferred Col. Eisenhower to Europe but promoted him over more than 30 more experienced senior officers to five star general and placed him in charge of all the US forces in Europe. Thus it comes as no surprise that General George Patton, a real Aryan warrior, hated Eisenhower. [Ed: Patton was keen to fight the Soviets, and reportedly kept some German units ready to move against the Soviets...unsurprisingly he was killed; after the war, in a 'car crash,' just like Lawrence of Arabia was conveniently bumped off, in a similar manner, for his 'pro-fascist' views]. Comment From George 12-28-3 Finally, the truth about Ike. He was a zionist!, a racist! and a slaughterer of innocents! He was always these things. And all anyone remembers is his famous quote "to beware of the military/industrial complex." Like this knowledge means he was a great precient prophet, when he was really a part of the NWO and helped set the US up for all that followed. The tooling jobs and industry started to leave the US in the early '50's, when Ike got into power. It was Japan they were building. Notice the difference between the destruction of Japan and the quick buildup of the Philipines and Japan and the Pacific the US took over, after the war of hegemony to steal the wealth of the Pacific Rim and present day Afghanistan, Iraq etc., now that the zionists rule the 'world'. The zionist essence is evil, destructive and self-destructive. Ike was a tool of the zionist evil essence.
German POW's Diary Reveals More Of Ike's Holocaust 12-29-3 Note - The following diary extract has been provided by the nephew of the author under the conditions we honor his request for anonymity. -ed A transcript of my Uncle's words...from my Mother's diary: "Suddenly an American Jeep moved towards us and several American Soldiers surrounded us. There was no officer in charge, and the first thing the 'Amis' did - they liberated us, I mean, from our few valuables, mainly rings and watches........ We were now prisoners of war- no doubt about it! The first night we were herded into a barn, where we met about 100 men who shared the same fate. To make my story short, we were finally transported to Fuerstenfeldbruck near Munich. Here we, who were gathered around Hermann, interrupted him and gasped in dismay. Fuerstenfeldbruck had become known to us as one of the most cruel POW camps in the American zone. Then my brother continued: Again we were searched and had to surrender everything, even our field utensils, except a spoon. Here, in freezing temperature, 20,000 of us were squeezed together on the naked ground, without blanket or cover, exposed day and night to the winter weather. For six days we received neither food nor water! We used our spoons to catch drops of rain. We were surrounded by heavy tanks. During the night bright searchlights blinded us, so that sleep was impossible. We napped from time to time, standing up and leaning against each other. It was keeping us warmer that sitting on the frozen ground. Many of us were near collapse. One of our comrades went mad, he jumped around wildly, wailing and whimpering. he was shot at once. His body was lying on the ground, and we were not allowed to come near him. He was not he only one. Each suspicious movement caused the guards to shoot into the crowd, and a few were always hit. German civilians, mainly women of the surrounding villages, tried to approach the camp to bring food and water for us prisoners. they were chased away. Our German officers could finally succeed to submit an official protest, particularly because of the deprivation of water. As a response, a fire hose was thrown into the midst of the densely crowded prisoners and then turned on. Because of the high water pressure the hose moved violently to and fro. Prisoners tumbled, fell, got up and ran again to catch a bit of water. In that confusion the water went to waste, and the ground under us turned into slippery mud. All the while the 'Amis' watched that spectacle, finding it very funny and most entertaining. They laughed at our predicament as hard as they could. Then suddenly, they turned the water off again. We had not expected that the Americans would behave in such a manner. We could hardly believe it. War brutalizes human beings. One day later we were organized into groups of 400 men .... We were to receive two cans of food for each man. This is how it was to be done: The prisoners had to run through he slippery mud, and each one had to grab his two cans quickly, at the moment he passed the guards. One of my comrades slipped and could not run fast enough, He was shot at once .... On May 10th , several truckloads of us were transported the the garrison of Ulm by the Danube..... As each man jumped into the truck, a guard kicked him in the backbone with his rifle butt. We arrived in the city of Heilbronn by the Neckar, In the end we counted 240,000 men, who lived on the naked ground and without cover. Spring and summer were mild this year, but we were starving. At 6;00 am we received coffee, at noon about a pint of soup and 100 grams of bread a day........ The 'Amis' gave us newspapers in German language, describing the terrors of the concentration camps. We did not believe any of it. We figured the Americans only wanted to demoralize us further. The fields on which we lived belonged to the farmers of the area...soon nothing of the clover and other sprouting greens were left, and the trees were barren. We had eaten each blade of grass..... In some camps there were Hungarian POW's. 15,000 of them. Mutiny against their officers broke out twice amongst them. After the second mutiny the Americans decided to use German prisoners to govern the Hungarians. Since the Hungarians were used as workers they were well fed. There was more food than they could eat. But when the Germans asked the Americans for permission to bring the Hungarians' leftovers into the camps of the starving Germans, it was denied. The Americans rather destroyed surplus food, than giving it to the Germans. Sometimes it happened that groups of our own men were gathered and transported away. We presumed they were discharged to go home, and naturally, we wished to be among them. Much later we heard they were sent to labor camps! My mother's cousin, feared that he would be drafted into the Hitler Youth SS, he volunteered to the marines, in 1945 his unit was in Denmark. On April 20th they were captured by the Americans. his experience in the POW camp was identical that of my brother's. They lived in open fields, did not receive and food and water the first six days, and starved nearly to death. German wives and mothers who wanted to throw loaves of bread over the fence, were chased off. The prisoners, just to have something to chew, scraped the bark from young trees. my cousins job was to report each morning how many had died during the night. "and these were not just a few!" he adds to his report he wrote me. It became known, that the conditions in the POW camps in the American Zone were identical everywhere. We could therefore safely conclude, that it was by intent and by orders from higher ups to starve the German POW's and we blamed General Eisenhower for it. He, who was of German descent could not discern the evildoers during the Nazi time from our decent people. We held that neglect of knowledge and understanding severely against him. I wish to quote the inscription on the grave stones of those of my German compatriots who have already passed away: We had to pass through fire and through water. But now you have loosened our bonds

JBoy
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War Crimes: USA

by [URL="http://www.whale.to/b/mohr_h.html"]Lt. Col. Gordon "Jack" Mohr, AUS Ret. (http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower_h.html)
". . . there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed: and hid that shall not be made known." - Matthew 10:26

Is America finally about to be thrown a scrap or two of historical truth? If so, have the Soviet relations of recent months, which has caused its leaders to admit to the murder of millions of their own people, allowed a few rays of truth to filter down and penetrate the Iron Curtain which has been erected over World War II, and which has kept vital facts from our people?

Something out of the ordinary seems to be going on within America's ruling circles. Are we finally to be told the truth about World War II?

Recently a book was written by an eminent Canadian author, James Bacque, of Toronto. It is titled OTHER LOSSES and deserves the widest possible distribution in the United States, especially among our veterans who fought World War II. Although Mr. Bacque's book does not picture America and her allies in a favorable light, it has had an amazing reception in Canada, although the people of the United States, for the most part have been kept in the dark about one of the most heinous episodes of World War II, which revolves around the Supreme Commander of the Allies in Europe, Gen. Dwight David Eisenhower, who was known during his days at West Point as that "terrible Swedish Jew."

I have my own opinions of Dwight David Eisenhower, opinions formed during the early days of World War II, from information I received from officers who knew "Ike" before he became Supreme Commander.

During the days before World War II, "Ike," as he was affectionately called, was noted as a ''ladies man, and the best damned bridge player on the Post." (Quotation not mine.) When anyone would mention Ike as a troop commander, it was met with hilarious, profane skepticism. Then too, my opinions of Ike were formed by the attitude of my Commanding General, Gen. George Patton, who looked on Eisenhower as a "whimp," not worthy of his rank.

As many of you will remember, Ike was promoted to Supreme Commander in Europe. From Lieutenant Colonel, in early 1941, Eisenhower was promoted to full Colonel in March 1941, to Brigadier General (temporary) in September. In February 1942, after he became a favorite of Gen. George Marshall during the Louisiana Maneuvers, he was appointed Assistant Chief of the War Plans Division. About this time, Ike became acquainted with the daughter of President Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and she introduced her boy friend to "pappa." Evidently F.D.R. recognized in this young officer, a man who would agree with his plans and who would do anything to get promoted. This began a rapid spiral of promotions which by-passed many officers who outranked him and who were much more qualified for the posts he occupied. He became Chief of Operations Division, War Department General Staff (March, 1942), to Commanding General of the European Theater of Operations in June 1942, to Allied Commander in Chief, for the invasion of North Africa (November, 1942), Sicily, (May 1943), Italy (September, 1943) and finally to his ultimate designation by President F.D.R. as Supreme Commander, Allied Expeditionary Force for the invasion of Europe.

It was Eisenhower's advise to F.D.R. and Churchill, which caused the war to drag on for two extra years, resulting in millions of deaths on both sides, and hundreds of billions of dollars of profit for Eisenhower's racial brethren, the International bankers, who financed both sides.

In early 1943, General Patton and the British Commander, Gen. Montgomery, presented a plan to Churchill and F.D.R. which called for the invasion of Europe through the "soft underbelly of Europe." This would have liberated all the eastern European countries from Communist control and would have ended the war in 1943.

But Eisenhower's hatred of the Germans, which was openly shown many times during those terrible days of the war, demanded that as many Germans as possible be made to suffer for their part in the war. It might be well to state here, that as early as 1902, International Jewry had a plan for the destruction of Christianity in Europe.

This called for the destruction, first of Czarist Russia, which took place in 1917, and then for the destruction of Germany. A war chest of some $2-billion was set aside for this purpose, long before a man named Adolf Hitler came on the scene. When Churchill and F.D.R. listened to the advice of Stalin, instead of their two best military leaders, it gave Stalin two years to establish control over all of Eastern Europe, which is now known as the Warsaw Pact Nations.

We can see the further treason in Eisenhower's actions, when in 1945, as Patton's armored forces swept into Germany, they were held back from entering Berlin, and were even ordered to withdraw to the Western borders of Germany, until Soviet troops could enter Germany.

Any military commander "worth their salt," knows that Patton could have ended the war on the Eastern border of Germany and that country would have never been divided. Patton by this time was beginning to realize that a conspiracy existed among the top war leaders, which were keeping him from the victory he so richly deserved. It was a traumatic lesson which was to be later repeated with General Douglas MacArthur in Korea, when he was not allowed to attack enemy positions north of the Yalu River.

The One Worlder's in Washington, D.C., and London had other plans and aided Stalin in his rape of Eastern Europe and Germany.

It was the "terrible Swedish Jew" Eisenhower, whose open hatred of everything German, caused him to promote Operation Keelhaul (http://www.whale.to/b/keelhaul_h.html), at the end of the war, where thousands of anti-Communist fighters, who had surrendered to American forces, were forced at bayonet point, back to the tender mercies of the Communists. Thousands of them were murdered outright, or disappeared into the Gulags of Russia.

Eisenhower returned to the States, made a hero by the controlled prostitute press of America, and his popularity from a populace he had betrayed, was such that he became the 34th President of the United States in 1953.

Eisenhower was quoted at the war's end as saying: ''I hate war as only a soldier who has lived through it can only as one who has seen it's brutality, it's futility, it's Stupidity" But he did not hate it as much as he hated Germans, and he took a terrible Jewish revenge on over a million surrendered German soldiers and civilians when the war ended. Praised by the media and the ''kept'' historians, this man was directly responsible for one of the most reprehensible acts in the history of civilized warfare. One which should put him in the same class with Atilla the Hun and other barbarians.

The peace which was inflicted on a completely defeated Germany in 1945, was called the Morgenthau Plan. It was promoted by Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau (http://www.whale.to/b/morgenthau_h.html), a Jew, who later stated that most of the ideas for this plan had come from Eisenhower.

Now, after a tremendous research of over twenty years, the truth about this Jew Commander of America's forces, who became the 34th President of the United States, can be known.

In 1945, during the post-World War II period, American foreign policy was largely in the hands of a small group of very powerful Zionists based in Washington, D.C. This secret, invisible government, which has controlled America for over fifty years, was headed then by Sen. Herbert Lehman; Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, and Secretary of the Treasury, Henry Morgenthau. They drew up the "blueprint" for a plan, which the enthusiastic Eisenhower carried out in Europe, which was the most monstrous policy of hate and vengeance known in the annals of civilized history.

This policy is still in operation today, fifty years later, where media pundits, twisting, exaggerating, and even manufacturing historical claims, have hounded, harassed, and had arrested 70 and 80-year old European war veterans for alleged ''war crimes,'' which were supposed to have taken place over fifty years ago.

The following article, entitled THE EISENHOWER DEATH CAMPS, was taken from the January 1990 issue of INSTAURATION, a scholarly American monthly. Every American veteran who served in World War II should know these facts. They are entitled to know how we were lied to and inveigled into a war for the benefits of the Internationalists. Every American Legion and Veteran's of foreign War Post in this country, should have this article read to its them bets, for you see, the same treason was carried out in Korea and then later in Vietnam. It is we, the veteran's of America, who have the right to know the truth, about the traitors who were responsible for the murder of our buddies, and the crippling of hundreds of thousands more, and who are even now laying the groundwork to get your sons and daughters involved in World War Ill.

The National Archives in Washington, (D.C.) contains an official document called the Weekly Prisoner of War and Disarmed Enemy Forces Report for the week ending Sept. 8, 1945. It shows that 1,056,482 German prisoners were then being held by the U.S. Army in the European theater, of whom 692,895 were still classified as POWs (Prisoners of War) and the other 363,587 as DEFs (Disarmed Enemy Forces.)

This latter designation was illegal under international law and completely contrary to the Geneva Convention, to which both the United States and Germany were signatories. A German soldier designated DEF had no right to any food, shelter, or water in fact, to anything. Quite often he did not receive even the basic necessities of life and died within days.

In the first week of September 1945, 13,051 of the 363,587 Germans died and were listed cryptically as "other losses." This was the equivalent of a death rate of 3.6% per week. At such a rate, all the remaining 350,536 DEFs would have been dead within 28 weeks before the end of the approaching winter.

The civilian death rate immediately outside the American camps in Germany was about 2% per year, or nearly 100 times lower, despite the greater proportion of older people. Since adequate supplies were readily available to the American troops at all times, this killing seems to have been deliberate.

As for the 692,895 German soldiers still falsely listed as POWs, the last of them had actually been transferred from POW to DEF status a month earlier on August 4, by order of General Eisenhower. Their death rate quickly quadrupled within weeks, from .2% to .8% per week. Assuming the latter rate for the week ending September 8, about 5,543 of the so-called POWs listed in the report as being alive and in American hands had died that week - all would have died within just over two years.. (The reason this death rate was lower than 3.6% weekly for the longer-term DEFs was simply that the barbaric treatment of the DEFs was cumulative, and that some of the American troops refused to go along with this barbaric treatment.) I recall the winter of 1945, when I was on occupation duty in Japan. A similar order came from our local U.S. military commander who was known for his hatred of all Japanese. It did not come from MacArthur's headquarters in Tokyo. We were not allowed to give food of any kind to Japanese civilians, although many of them were on the verge of starvation. I was commanding a detachment of 28 men, which were guarding a Japanese Quarter Master dump at the little town of Niski'ya'hama, about eighty miles south of Osaka. Food in this storehouse was literally spoiling, yet we were not allowed to share it with the Japanese people. For Christmas rations that year, my detachment received eight sheep carcasses and 28 turkeys, with no refrigeration for storage. Rather than see this food go to waste, I shared it with the starving population, and when word leaked out, I came very close to being court marshaled. It was only the intervention of a high ranking officer from MacArthur's Headquarters which saved me.

The same thing happened over and over again in Germany, and American officers and servicemen were court marshaled, on Eisenhower's orders, for sharing their rations with the starving Germans. If you were a young man, with several small children at home, you know how these enemy children played on the minds of decent Americans who knew what their government was doing was wrong. Enemy children have never been enemies, to big hearted Americans.

But with a man of unbounded hatred for the Germans, his order of August 4th, made it impossible for there to be such a thing as a bona fide German POW in American hands on European soil.

Instead, there were vast concentrations of men (including some women and children) starving to death in open, muddy, disease-ridden fields.

In November 1945, Eisenhower returned to Washington. A month later, a slight relaxation went into effect. Men of conscience such as General George Patton, had no qualms about killing German soldiers in combat, but he drew a line at the deliberate policy of murder which was advocated by Eisenhower. I firmly believe this was one of the reasons he met his untimely death The truth which is now coming out of old records, show that "war crimes" was by no means a German monopoly, and the "good war," the Jewish media and historians called it in the United States, was as evil as any conflict in world history.

Bacque's careful calculations forced him to conclude:
Eisenhower had deplored the German's useless defense of the Reich in the last months of the war because of the waste of life. At least ten times as many Germans - undoubtedly 800,000, almost certainly 900,000, and quite possibly a million died in the French and American camps as were killed in all the combat on the Western front in northwest Europe from America's entry into the war in December 1941, through April 1945."
Bacque was ably assisted in his research by Col. Ernest F. Fisher, a senior historian for the U.S. Army, as well as by other highly placed members of the American military. One of them, Col. Philip S. Lauben, Chief of the German Affairs branch of SHAEF (Supreme Headquarters, Allied Expeditionary Force), stated that, in late 1945, "the Vosges (northeast France) was just one big death camp (for Germans)."
In spite of everything which has been written about Eisenhower which makes him out to be a hero, there seems little question that Dwight Eisenhower meets all the qualifications of a certified war criminal, even if Bacque's figures are off a bit. (If Germany had been the winner, there is little doubt he would have been tried and found guilty of the most heinous crimes against mankind.)

Many veterans will get upset with this appraisal of a man they looked on as a "bona fide" American hero. But the proof for these accusations can be found in what happened to those Germans who were fortunate enough to surrender to the British and the Canadians some two million of them. The evidence shows that "almost all continued in fair health and many were quickly released and sent home or transferred to the French, to help in the post-war work of reconstruction.

Bacque specifically commends General Patton for behavior towards his POWs it a civilized manner. His Third Army freed vast numbers of German captives during May 1945, to the dismay, no doubt, of the Zionists who controlled Washington.

Both General Omar Bradley and J. C. H. Lee, Communications Zone (ComZ) Europe, ordered the release of prisoners within a week of the war's end. This SHAEF order was countermanded by Eisenhower on May IS, 1945.

While German soldiers from the British and Canadian zones were quickly regaining strength and were helping rebuild Europe, Germans taken by the Americans were dying by the hundreds of thousands - emaciated figures in diarrhea smeared clothing, huddling pitifully in watery holes with perhaps a scrap of cardboard over their heads and a rotten potato for supper. At times many of them were reduced to drinking urine and eating grass.

Did all this happen because of one supremely unprincipled and influential man named Eisenhower? Or was Ike in turn influenced by a small circle around him or by his superiors in Washington? Historians will be probing this question for decades to come.

Here are the principle dates by which this infamy will live:

1944: Eisenhower told the British ambassador to Washington that the 3,500 officers of the German General staff should be ''exterminated.'' He also favored the liquidation of perhaps 100,000 prominent Germans. Soon after, he wrote to his wife, Mamie: "God, I hate Germans! Why? Because the German is a beast!" Eisenhower said he was ashamed to bear a German name.

August 1944: The North American wheat surplus was greater than at any time in history, nearly one billion bushels. The U.S. corn surplus and potato crop also reached a new high.

March 10, 1944: A message sent from Eisenhower to the Combined Chiefs of Staff (CCS) of Britain and the U.S. recommended the creation of an entirely new class of prisoners, Disarmed Enemy Forces or DEFs. At a press conference in Paris, this same day, Ike said: "If the Germans were reasoning like normal beings, they would realize the whole history of the United States and Great Britain is to be generous towards a defeated enemy. We observe all the laws of the Geneva Convention.''

March 19, 1945: Eisenhower's special assistant, General Everett Hughes, visited the American supply depots at Naples and Marseille. In both places, he writes, there are ''more stocks than we can ever use. (They) stretch as far as eye can see.''

Spring 1945: The International Red Cross had over 100,000 tons of food stockpiled in Switzerland. At one point, it sent two trainloads into the American Zone of Germany, but the food was sent back. The Morgenthau Plan for a ''Carthaginian Peace'' in Germany, to use the words of Military Governor Lucius Clay, is implemented through the directive JCS (Joint Chiefs of Staff) 1067, which specifies to Eisenhower the policy he must adopt towards every institution in Germany. The directive is largely the work of three of Henry Morgenthau's underlings in the Treasury Department Harry Dexter White, Frank Coe, and Harry Glasser. White and Glasser were both Jews and all three were Communist ''fellow travelers.''

April 11, 1945: On the eve of his death, FDR told Morgenthau in Warm Springs, GA: "Henry, I am with you l00%" When Truman took over, he continued Morgenthau's "Carthaginian Policy" towards conquered Germany.

April 17, 1945: The Americans opened their enormous Rheinberg Camp, six miles in circumference, with no food or shelter whatsoever. As in the other big "Rhine meadow" camps, opened in mid-April, there was initially no latrines and no water. In some camps, the men were so crowded they could not lie down. Meanwhile, at Camp Kripp, near Remagen, the half-American Charles von Luttichau determines that his German comrades are receiving about 5% as much food as their captors." Complaining to the camp commander, HE SAID: ''Forget the Geneva Convention. You don't have any rights."

Late April 1945: Heinz Janssen, a survivor of the Rheinberg camp, described conditions as they were at the time. "Amputees slithered like amphibians through the mud , soaking and freezing. Naked to the skies day after day and night after flight, they lay desperate in the sand of Rheinberg or sleep exhaustedly into eternity ill their collapsing holes.''

April 26, 1945: The Combined Chiefs of Staff sent a message to Eisenhower, urging him not to take any more German prisoners after VE Day. He ignored it. The CCS approved of Ike's proposed DEF status, but only for certain types of German prisoners. The British refused to go against the Geneva Convention. The CCS orders the illegal DEF status to be kept strictly secret. By this date, Eisenhower's Quartermaster General of ASHAEF, Gen. Robert Littlejohn, has already twice reduced the rations to German prisoners. A message to Gen. George C. Marshall, signed by Ike, mandated: ''No shelter'' for German prisoners, despite an unusually cold and wet March and April.

May 4, 1945: The first German POWs were transfer-red to DEF status. Mail to and from all German prisoners was banned for more than a year.

May 8, 1945: Germany surrendered unconditionally. The U.S. State Department wasted no time dismissing Switzerland as the official Protecting Power for German prisoners, contravening the Geneva Convention. State also informed the International Red Cross that, with no Protecting Power to report to, there is no point in sending delegates to the camps. From this day forward, prisoners held by the U.S. Army had no access to any impartial observer. The British and Canadians also removed the Swiss protectors, but continued treating their POWs decently.

May, 1945: The American Red Cross reported that more than 98% of Americans captured by the Germans will be coming home safely, thanks in part to the food parcels sent to them during the war, which were promptly delivered by the Germans.

May 15, 1945: Eisenhower and Churchill talked about further reducing the rations for the German POWs. Churchill was informed that the POWs have been getting 2,000 calories per day (compared to 4,000 for American troops) and that 2,150 was regarded as an absolute minimum required for sedentary adults living under shelter. Eisenhower failed to tell Churchill that the U.S. Army was not even feeding many DEFs, and that they were feeding others, much less than 2,000 calories per day.

Mid-May 1945: The Bingen camp, near Bad Kreuznach in the Rhineland, was now holding between 200,000 and 400,000 German POWs, with no shelter, food, water, or medicine. The death rate for prisoners in these U.S. camps were now about 30% per year, according to a U.S. medical survey.

June 2, 1945: The European Theater Provost Marshal issued two reports. One, the last in a series of daily reports, logged 2,870,400 POWs on hand. The other, the first report in a weekly series, dated the same day, logged only 1,836,000. At one point in mid-June, the prisoner strength on the ration list is given as 1,421,559, despite the evidence of Gen. J.C.H. Lee and others that there were about 4 million. This bizarre bookkeeping persisted throughout 1945 in all branches of the occupying army. The apparent purpose was to obscure the death toll by means of an indecipherable mass of conflicting Statistics. (One of Bacque's greatest coups has been to decipher them.)

Mid - June, 1945: British "Tommies" took over the huge Rheinberg camp from the Americans, saving many thousands of German lives. The final act of the ''Yanks" before the British took charge, was to bulldoze one section flat while the men were still living in their holes in the ground. Meanwhile, a team of doctors from the U.S. Army Medical Corps completed a survey of some of the smaller Rhineland camps, holding some 80,000 POWs (not DEFs). They found a death rate 80 times higher than anything they have known in their professional career.

July, 1945: Eisenhower becomes military governor of the U.S. Zone in Germany. He continued to turn back all relief teams from Switzerland, the U.S. and elsewhere.

July 10, 1945: A French Army unit under Gen. Rousseau, took over the Dietersheim camp (near Mainz) from the Americans. He found 32,000 men and women of all ages in a moribund (dying) State. Another French officer Capt .Julien, was taking command 17 days later and found a vast mire ''peopled with living skeletons, male and female, huddling under scraps of wet card board ." Horrified, Julien wrote: 'This is just like the photographs of Buchenwald and Dachau.

July 20, 1945: Gen. Littlejohn received a memo stating, "These men, German POWs are authorized a maximum of 1,150 calories for the non-workers and 1,850 for workers.'' (Remember, it takes 2,000 calories of keep a sedentary adult alive.

July 26, 1945: The International Red Cross proposed restoring mail service to German POWs. Fearing that the reality of the death camps might come to light, the U. S. War Department rejected the idea.

August 4, 1945: Eisenhower ordered that all remaining German POWs be stripper of their rights, thus reducing them to DEF status.

August 27, 1945: In a long memorandum, Gen. Littlejohn informed Eisenhower that 1,550,000 Germans who supposedly were getting U.S. ARMY RATIONS, WERE RECEIVING NOTHING. Ike turned a deaf ear to his report and the death rate continued to climb.

August 30, 1945: Max Huber, head of the International Red Cross, wrote a stinging letter to the U.S. State Department about American interference in efforts to save starving Germans. Some months later, an evasive response, signed ''Eisenhower,'' arrived in Washington, falsely claiming that giving Red Cross food to enemy personnel was forbidden. Thousands of train cars loaded with decaying food were sent back to Geneva arid to sources in Paris and Brussels. Huber apologized for tying up the French rail system because of the food which was being returned by the Americans.

By this time, more than 2-million German men had been discharged into American custody, including thousands of priests, ministers, doctors, and professors. Not one single camp commander or guard was questioned by the Allied press corps and the controlled media of the U.S. concerning conditions in these hell holes.

It might be well, to stop right here and ask this question: ''Is anyone who reads this horrifying account, so naive as to believe that the American people would have put up with these barbaric actions by its chief military men if they had known about it? Do you think that the politicians who were in the forefront of those who kept these facts from Americans would have lasted very long in office, if the truth had been known? Do you think that millions of Americans would show such concern for the Holocaust of the Jews, if they knew that it was Jewish hatred for their fellow kinsmen, that were killing over a million Germans? I sincerely doubt it! That's why these facts have been kept from the American people for almost fifty years.

Late Summer, 1945: Jean-Pierre Pradervand, head of the International Red Cross delegations in France, told Henry W. Dunning, an American Red Cross official, that conditions in the French camps are worse, in many instances, than anything seen in the former Nazi camps. Pradervand showed Dunning pictures of the living skeletons. Dunning explained all this to the American Red Cross in Washington, which informed key government officials. Nevertheless, the cover-up continued. Pradervand also informed Charles De Gaulle that one-third of the prisoners handed over to France by the Americans will die soon without a radical change in treatment. De Gaulle showed no interest and the prisoners continued to die.

September 27, 1945: Pradervand's pictures of German living skeletons were shown to Eisenhower in his office.

September 30, 1945 - October 1: The French newspaper, Le Monde, ran a story which began: "As one speaks today of Dachau, in ten years people throughout the world will speak about camps such as Saint Paul d'Egiaux.''

October 11,13, 14, 15, 20: The New York Times ran a cover-up report of the death camps by star newsman Drew Middleton. Interviewed by Bacque in 1988, Middleton admitted that he never actually visited any of the 50 U.S. camps located within 40 miles of his Frankfurt desk, but was only 'driven by,' as he was being debriefed by the military."

December 1945: Eisenhower returned to the States and the U.S. Army allowed the first relief shipment to enter the American sector.

1947 - 1950's: Nearly all the surviving records of the Rhineland death camps were destroyed. The West German government concluded that 1.7-million German soldiers were alive at the wars' end, and who were known to have been in fair health, and disappeared. The Western Allies pinned virtually all the blame on the Soviets.

1950: The first German edition of ALLHERERTE KRIEGSVERBRECHEN is published. Never translated into English, the book gives eye-witness descriptions of the conditions which prevailed in the American camps.

1960s - 1972: The West German Foreign Office, under Willy Brandt subsidized books denying the atrocities in American POW camps and the high death rate.

1980: The International Committee of the Red Cross refuses to open its archives to James Bacque and other investigators into Allied atrocities. To this day, the ICRC has remained silent on the subject, despite the visits of Pradervand and other Red Cross delegates to many methhe camps.

September 1989: James Bacque's book on the American death camps, "Other Losses," published by Stoddard, a Canadian Publishing House, was released, after being refused by more than 30 American publishers. Saturday night, one of Canada's most respected magazines. simultaneously published a summary of this book as its lead story and within days Canada was buzzing about Gen. Eisenhower's war crimes. Why is it that we have heard little or nothing of this in the United States?

As American citizens, many of us who served in the American Armed Forces during World War II, and a great many of us who are of German heritage, should demand of our leaders in Washington, D.C. that the truth about this War be made known.

With accurate information of what really happened, instead of Zionist propaganda, just possibly we might be able to avert World War III, which is now being planned by these same One Worlders.

It is interesting to note, that it has been proven in recent years, that many of the pictures taken in Germany during WW II, purporting to be Jewish victims of ''racial extermination,'' were actually pictures of German civilians who had died under American war criminals.

(Most of the information in this article came from the March 1990, CANADIAN INTELLIGENCE SERVICE. Their mut Wly intelligence newsletter is available from the above address)
www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0053.htm (http://www.scripturesforamerica.org/html2/jm0053.htm)






Allied War Crimes 1941-1950 by Rixon Stewart (http://www.whale.to/b/stewart1.html)
[2008] Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans (http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower.html) .. http://www.whale.to/b/POWcamp.jpg

JBoy
11-07-2010, 03:36 PM
There was an alliance between Hitler and Freemasons, but at a very high level...The Illuminati..Rothschilds...Eisenhower and a few others and Israel.
Wipe out Germany,start Stalin and create Israel...

These are german pows

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JBoy
11-07-2010, 03:40 PM
According to Bacque between 1941 and 1950 around one and a half to two million German prisoners of war died, whilst a further five million seven hundred thousand German civilians died between 1946 and 1950, largely, Bacque maintains, as a result of Allied policy. In all Bacques estimates that between nine and half and fourteen million ethnic Germans, German prisoners of war and civilians were to die in these iniquities. Part of the blame for this can be laid at the feet of Josef Stalin who, through his propaganda minister, Ilya Ehrenburg, actually encouraged the rape and degradation of the German civilian population. Allied War Crimes 1941-1950 by Rixon Stewart (http://www.whale.to/b/stewart1.html) ..."it is hard to escape the conclusion that Dwight Eisenhower was a war criminal of epic proportions. His (DEF) policy killed more Germans in peace than were killed in the European Theater." [2008] Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans (http://www.whale.to/b/eisenhower.html)
His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities. A million of these were men who were being held as prisoners of war, most of whom died in Soviet captivity. (Of the 90,000 Germans who surrendered at Stalingrad, for example, only 5,000 ever returned to their homeland.) Less well known is the story of the many thousands of German prisoners who died in American and British captivity, most infamously in horrid holding camps along the Rhine river, with no shelter and very little food. Others, more fortunate, toiled as slave labor in Allied countries, often for years.
Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide, and mass murder.
Apart from the wide-scale rape of millions of German girls and woman in the Soviet occupation zones, perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots.New Book Details Mass Killings and Brutal Mistreatment of Germans at the End of World War Two (http://www.whale.to/b/weber.html)
According to Bacque, given the extraordinarily harsh conditions imposed upon them by the Allies (i.e., the British, French, Soviets, and Americans), at least 9.3 million and possibly as many as 13.7 million Germans, had, by 1950, needlessly died as a result.A Review of James Bacque's "Crimes and Mercies: The Fate of German Civilians Under Allied Occupation 1944-1950" by Eric Blair (http://www.whale.to/b/blair_eric.html)
[REVIEW (http://www.whale.to/b/weber17.html)] After the Reich: The Brutal History of Allied Occupation by Giles MacDonogh
His best estimate is that some three million Germans, military and civilians, died unnecessarily after the official end of hostilities.....Most of the two million German civilians who perished after the end of the war were women, children and elderly -- victims of disease, cold, hunger, suicide, and mass murder.....perhaps the most shocking outrage recorded by MacDonogh is the slaughter of a quarter of a million Sudeten Germans by their vengeful Czech compatriots......We are ceaselessly reminded of the Third Reich’s wartime concentration camps. But few Americans are aware that such infamous camps as Dachau, Buchenwald, Sachsenhausen and Auschwitz stayed in business after the end of the war, only now packed with German captives, many of whom perished miserably.


You guessed it, german pows....



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JBoy
11-08-2010, 12:32 PM
Theosophical Society
Satanism (http://www.whale.to/b/satanism.html)
Theosophists: Annie Besant (http://www.whale.to/b/besan_h.html), Blavatsky (http://www.whale.to/b/blavatsky_h.html) Aleister Crowley (http://www.whale.to/b/crowley_h.html)
'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)
Adolph Hitler read Madame Blavatsky's book, The Secret Doctrine, nightly. That was the source of his power and his ability to control others. After the war, Winston Churchill suppressed efforts to expose Adolph Hitler's occultism. Why? [129. Debra Rae, The ABCs o f Globalism, Huntington House, 1999, p. 82. See Also: McLaughlin, op cit., pp. 261-62.] Winston Churchill reportedly insisted that the black magic of the Nazi party not be revealed to the general public after the war, and the Allied prosecution and judges at Nuremberg consciously ignored the occult aspects of the Nazis' tremendous power and cruelty. [130] Margaret Sanger was a Theosophist, and her eugenic policies and birth control programs were products of her occult beliefs.[131 George Grant, Killer Angel, Ars Vitae Press, New York, p. 90.] Brotherhood of Darkness by Stanley Monteith (http://www.whale.to/b/monteith_b.html)
The Holy Book of Hitler provides the answer as to why the Theosophical Society worked so hard to destroy the British Empire. It had always at first mystified me why the Theosophical Society Presidents who connected to the Satanic hierarchy would want to ruin the British Empire. ......The Union of Europe into one country (or bloc) could not be accomplished while Great Britain had most of her focus on her empire. Great Britain as long as she had an empire would never want to join up with Europe. In fact all the European nations would have to be convinced to give up their colonies, that is why the World Power got everyone they could get to help fight Portugal in Angola in recent history, everyone including the large Masonic-controlled Christian denominations who donated millions of dollars to the NCC and WCC which moneys were then passed on to the guerrillas to buy weapons and ammo. The Theosophical Society is mostly to blame for India’s independence from Britain . First, the Theosophical Society managed to change British policy so that the British became unpopular. Then Theosophical President Besant, who published the largest English paper strongly criticized British rule in her newspapers and eventually was arrested . Gandhi and other Indian leaders were involved in Besant being made the President of the Indian Congress Party. And that political party still rules Indian politics . The Theosophist Mahatma Gandhi, following in the steps of Theosophical President Annie Besant, led the Indian people against British rule.
But the final blow to the British Empire was done by another Theosophist--Adolf Hitler. It is common knowledge that the powerful blows of Axis attacks in W.W. II struck the death blow to the British Empire, or so we are told. The truth is that the elite wanted the Empire to die, and pulled every string to convince the British public and indigenous natives that the Empire was too weak after W . W . II to save the empire and prevent her colonies from independence. Bloodlines of the Illuminati 11. Rothschild (http://www.whale.to/b/sp/rothschild.html)
Theosophy is the direct outgrowth of the espionage agenda used to subvert India in the 1700s. The history of the British East India Company, one of the world's first genocidal corporations, is well documented by several research journalists, most of whom publish under LaRouche's banner. I don't personally support LaRouche's political aspirations and several authors whom he publishes are blatantly off track, in my opinion, but several others of them are outstanding, including Anton Chaitkin and Margery White, who write and document extensively about the history of the later stages of the history of the occult/corporate world order. Benjamin Franklin Press sells those books. 'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)
If one wants to examine Hiduism's or Buddhism's genuine teachings, why get it filtered through a flaky channeler and a satanist? Alice Bailey was closely connected to Aleister Crowley and the rest of that nasty crowd and she personally initiated the heinous, Luciferic ideology that was immediately adopted by the UN. Her publishing company, The Lucifer Trust, was the UN's sole publicist until the UN were embarrassed into asking her to change the name to The Lucis Trust right after WWII. I think you'd agree that anyone who names her own company after Lucifer is a satanist. I don't even believe in devils but Luciferians do. The masons call Lucifer, 'The Architect of the Universe,' by the way, and depict him in an inverted pentagram as 'Baphomet, the Hermaphroditic She-goat,' in MORALS AND DOGMA, which is their Bible. It would be laughable if they didn't take this stuff so seriously and commit so much mayhem under its banner. Pedophilia and massive-scale kidnapping are hallmarks of satanism, for instance, as is human sacrifice at the highest levels. 'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)
Drunvalo openly and casually admitted in front of many witnesses, a few years ago, that his particular Merkaba meditation protocols are specifically designed to get the more talented adepts directly under his control. Thanks to the internet, this comment was broadcast and he apparently lost most of his credibility. He also openly promotes the Great White Brotherhood, which is a high-end Illuminati organization which also directs masonry, Rosicrucianism and Thoesophy as well as the newage gurus of whom he's only one. 'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)
Even so, I recommend that people read his material and even try the Merkaba exercises if they're inclined to do so. Carol and I both feel that the basic exercises have merit and that when a more talented meditator reaches the higher stages he/she can simply modify them to a more universal mode and just keep going without fear of being spiritually compromised. After all, it's not the exercises themselves which are 'bad,' but only the addictive nature of the individual meditator that can allow him/her to be ultimately scammed into being a psychic slave for the GWB. Get rid of the addiction and see whether these higher end Merkaba exercises have the same appeal as before, for instance. No balanced person wants 'personal power,' after all, or an advantage over anyone else. 'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)
Count St Germain is a common feature to all of these organizations. When our friend, who 'grew up' in that Illuminati guru stable, along with Drunvalo, Maitreya, Braden, Twyman, Houston, and the rest, was inducted into Scottish Rite's 33d degree (he told Carol and I) in the middle 90s, Ct St Germain materialized in the sealed temple during the ritual, nodded his approval, then dematerialized. All of the high level SR masons, such as presidents, kings, top clergy, top generals, etc., are 33d degree and wear that ruby masonic ring. I've seen our friend's ring, which he no longer wears, of course. My grandfather, a very successful corporation president in Kansas City, was a mover and shaker in Harry Truman's lodge after WWII and he only had the onyx ring of SR's 32d degree. Truman was 33d. The 33d guys draw their power from the rituals conducted by the 32d degree guys, who are far more numerous. 'I am not sure I agree with you about Theosophy' by Don Croft (http://www.whale.to/b/croft121.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 03:01 PM
All of Hitlers intercircle were gay and highly cultic and worked with the Rothschilds(Illuminati/Freemasonry) and US zionist masons in high power and worked from many of the masonic teachings, satanic shit.. all associated with freemasonry. He loved A.Crowley...Besent...Mendale, his 1 of many lovers.expiremented on thousands of orthodox jewish children and his practice continued in the US on american citizens
(Mk ULTRA), children,disabled,blacks,indians.. all under the CIA direction, which is at least 95% masonic.Hell, he did not know a blue dog mason from anyone else... but i will say, there were not many low dog masons in that era, but they had the power in the ranks,political spectrum.

These were his top goons


me 1,500 Nazi were imported under Operation Paperclip (http://www.whale.to/b/paperclip.html).] A-Z
Bormann (http://www.whale.to/b/bormann_h.html)
Braun (http://www.whale.to/b/braun_h.html)
Eichmann (http://www.whale.to/b/eichmann_h.html)
Gehlen (http://www.whale.to/b/gehlen_h.html)
Goebbels (http://www.whale.to/b/goebbels_h.html)
Goering (http://www.whale.to/b/goering_h.html)
Hess (http://www.whale.to/b/hess_h.html)
Heim (http://www.whale.to/b/heim.html)
Heydrich (http://www.whale.to/b/heydrich_h.html)
Himmler (http://www.whale.to/b/himmler_h.html)
Hitler (http://www.whale.to/b/hitler.html)
Rohm (http://www.whale.to/b/rohm_h.html)Rudin (http://www.whale.to/b/rudin_h.html)
Rudolph (http://www.whale.to/b/rudolph_h.html)
Mengele (http://www.whale.to/b/mengele.html)
Strughold (http://www.whale.to/b/strughold_h.html)
Verschuer (http://www.whale.to/b/verschuer_h.html)
Müller (http://www.whale.to/b/muller_h.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 03:15 PM
Many of the highest-placed leaders in the Nazi party, including Hitler, Roehm, Forster, von Schirach and almost all of his bodyguards were gay. Hitler surrounded himself with homosexuals and even retrieved Roehm from Bolivia, making him Deputy Fuhrer. This knowledge enabled outside countries like Britain and ideologies like the Freemasons to control Hitler, his high command and his bodyguards. Hitler and his band of merry bandits became puppets with wooden strings. In this way, any foreign society can be destroyed with a leader hiding their sexuality. Hitler, Roehm, Forster and von Schirach took part in destroying their own societies while enjoying the power it gave them. Hitler was a double agent prime minister. He worked for a foreign country (Britain) and a foreign ideology (the Freemasons). The formula proved so effective it is still used today, in politics and the media, especially with TV personalities, radio announcers, prime ministers and presidents, both male and female. Hitler was a British Agent by Greg Hallett (http://www.whale.to/b/hallet_b.html) p.65

JBoy
11-08-2010, 03:42 PM
Paperclip scientists
Braun (http://www.whale.to/b/braun_h.html)
Gehlen (http://www.whale.to/b/gehlen_h.html)
Rudolph (http://www.whale.to/b/rudolph_h.html)
Strughold (http://www.whale.to/b/strughold_h.html)
Müller (http://www.whale.to/b/muller_h.html)

JBoy
11-08-2010, 05:32 PM
Keep in Mind, Cia/Freemasonry at 95% or better
[/URL] WORST KEPT SECRETS OF THE BUMBLING BEAR - the CIA/NAZI marriage
URL for this article: [url=http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2.htm]Worst Kept Secrets of a Bumbling Bear (http://www.whale.to/b/cia_nazi_connections.html)
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WORST KEPT SECRETS OF THE BUMBLING BEAR (Part 1 of 2)
by Jared Israel
[Originally Posted 22 May 2001]
[Reposted 2 December 2001]
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Below is an article from the 'San Francisco Bay Guardian', entitled, 'The CIA's Worst-Kept Secret.' It discusses some recently unclassified CIA files. These documents, 18,000 pages in all, confirm that U.S. intelligence recruited and protected Nazis starting at the end of World War II.
I am posting and writing about this article for two reasons. First, it includes some useful information about the Nazi-CIA marriage. Second, it presents that information from a perspective that I consider at once mistaken and widespread; hence worth discussing.
The article was written by Martin Lee. Mr. Lee argues that after World War II, Nazi spies duped the U.S. into hiring them, thereby protecting themselves and their networks from prosecution.
He cites the example of General Reinhard Gehlen. Gehlen had been chief of Nazi intelligence in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. According to Mr. Lee, Gehlen fooled spymaster Allen Dulles, who later became Director of the CIA, in the following way:
"Gehlen was quickly spirited off to Fort Hunt, Va. The image he projected during 10 months of negotiations at Fort Hunt was, to use a bit of espionage parlance, a "legend" --one that hinged on Gehlen's false claim that he was never really a Nazi, but was dedicated, above all, to fighting Communism. Those who bit the bait included future CIA director Allen Dulles, who became Gehlen's biggest supporter among American policy wonks. " (From the text below)
There's a bit of a problem here.
Starting more than a decade earlier, Allen Dulles, a leading diplomat and spy, and his brother, John Foster, a Wall Street insider, had created a financial-intelligence apparatus to assist the Nazis. So Dulles had long-standing, friendly relations with Nazis. That being the case, why would Dulles be upset if he 'learned' that Gehlen (a top Nazi spy) was a Nazi? (1)
Moreover, Gehlen had not been some cloistered spy. His job had not been simply to coordinate the gathering of information. He had been a key leader of the work of fascist groups in the occupied East, such as the Iron Guard in Romania, the Latvian Vanagis and the Croatian Ustashe. These groups committed the most unimaginably brutal atrocities against 'Untermenschen', Jews, 'gypsies', Serbs and other Slavs and Orthodox Christians, as well as against anti-Nazis, both Communist and non-Communist, including various Nationalist groups, which resisted the Nazis. Gehlen was a leading war criminal.
Did Allen Dulles know all this? Of course he knew all this. He was a U.S. spymaster with almost three decades experience and he had worked with the Nazi leadership for two decades. Dulles arranged to have Gehlen secretly brought to the U.S. precisely so that the Russians wouldn't get hold of him and put him on trial for war crimes and hang him.
Once they had Gehlen safely in the U.S., Allen Dulles and other top U.S. Intelligence operatives met with Gehlen and planned a nightmare creation: a vast European spying-and-subversion apparatus, controlled by Washington but staffed by hundreds and then thousands of Nazi war criminals. The Nazis may have lost the war but Nazism had found new life. (6)
Since Allen Dulles knew that Gehlen commanded an army of monstrous war criminals in Eastern Europe and Russia, what is the significance of Dulles' supposed (though frankly unbelievable) belief that Gehlen was not a Nazi?
Mr. Lee's suggestion that Dulles' rescue and empowerment of Gehlen was somehow less monstrous because he was 'fooled' about Gehlen's Nazi beliefs is typical of the way the mass media has been whitewashing American foreign policy since 1945.
According to this reasoning, it is a crime if Nazis (or Islamist terrorists) go out and commit atrocities on their own. But if they commit atrocities at the behest of American leaders who are a) naive about who these Nazis (or Islamist terrorists) are and b) are only using these Nazis or terrorists in pursuit of good American values, then it is OK. This treats the American foreign policy establishment as if it were some perpetual teenager who may have fallen in with a bad crowd, but heck, he'll grow out of it.
Very few of us will ever read the declassified Nazi-CIA documents. Articles like Mr. Lee's from the 'San Francisco Bay Guardian', a left-leaning newspaper, must inform our view. Throughout the article, Mr. Lee portrays Washington as naive, trapped by a Cold War mentality into recruiting Nazis (or, as he suggests at the end of his article, by recruiting too many of them...you know, Nazis are OK, but only if taken in moderation...)
Can it be that a smart guy like Mr. Lee really believes that the very sophisticated men who shaped US foreign policy over the past 50 years unknowingly blundered into bed with the worst butchers of the century? I cannot say; but by making this absurd idea the theme of his article, Mr. Lee, the critic, makes himself an apologist for the thing he is seemingly attacking.
DID THE NAZI-CIA MARRIAGE TAKE PLACE BECAUSE WASHINGTON WAS IN A "COLD WAR MENTALITY"?
This notion, which is put forward by Mr. Lee, is contradicted by two important facts:
Fact # 1 - No, Because It Started Too Early
Washington began working with high-placed officials in the Vatican at the end of the war to set up Nazi escape routes. Some of the Nazis whom they cooperated in rescuing were spies. Others were just Nazi butchers.
The escape routes, appropriately called 'ratlines', started in Eastern Europe and the Balkans, particularly Croatia, and terminated in the U.S., Canada, Australia, Latin America, and so on. How could it be true that the U.S. got swept up in organizing the ratlines due to a Cold War mentality when the Cold War hadn't yet begun? (2)
Mr. Lee is aware that the U.S. began rescuing Nazis before the Cold War began. He points out that this:
"...belies the prevalent Western notion that aggressive Soviet policies were primarily to blame for triggering the Cold War."
Point well taken. But at the same time, Mr. Lee writes:
"The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that Washington was in a Cold War mode sooner than most people realize." (From the text below)
What does this mean? If aggressive Soviet policies were not to blame for triggering the Cold War, why does Mr. Lee say that "Washington was [already] in a Cold War mode" at the end of World War II? Doesn't a "Cold War" require two sides?
What Mr. Lee probably means is that at the end of W.W. II; Washington was in an "Attack Russia!" mode. Indeed, it was precisely Washington's belligerent and criminal actions, such as rescuing Nazi war criminals, that created the international climate of hostility and threat which became known as the "Cold War".
In the decade and a half before World War II, Washington and Wall Street, including the the Dulles brothers and the grandfather and great grandfather of President Bush, played a dangerous game. They helped put the Nazis in power and aided them once they got in power. With their assistance, the shattered German war industry was rebuilt in record time.
Why did Dulles and the Walker/Bush family and others in the U.S. Establishment help finance the creation of a powerful, fascist state in Germany? They did it in large measure because they planned to use the Nazis to attack Soviet Russia.
Alas, as the poet says, the best laid plans of mice and men often fail. Instead of settling for their assigned role, of conquering Russia, the German Nazi/Corporate state decided to conquer everyone. Washington and London responded to this unacceptable ambition in a measured fashion. First, they allowed the Nazis to inflict maximum damage on the Soviet Union. Then they opened a Second Front (the Normandy Invasion) in order to prevent the USSR from liberating all of Europe and to make sure the Nazis were not completely crushed.
After World War II Washington didn't go into "Cold War mode." It simply continued with its plan of using Germany and the Nazis against the USSR. Except now the Nazi apparatus existed all over Eastern and Southern Europe (including in Russia) and Soviet influence was far more extensive as well.
Fact # 2 - No, because the U.S. Foreign Policy Establishment Didn't Use the Nazis Only to Spy
The Nazi murderers whom the U.S. helped rescue, in violation of law and decency, were not simply spies. Many of them were monstrous war criminals. And these war criminal/spies were not simply rescued, dumped in various countries, and then forgotten.
Instead the U.S. maintained a great network of the 'escapees' and their contacts all over Europe with three purposes:
* to spy;
* to nurture networks of fascists dedicated to infiltrating, subverting and sabotaging the socialist and non-socialist states of Europe, a network linked to U.S. intelligence (and to Germany);
* and to prepare a force that could be sent back into the socialist countries, especially the strategic Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, and into the Balkans states, especially Yugoslavia, when the time was ripe.
The Nazi and pro-Nazi 'refugees' were maintained at the expense of U.S. taxpayers through programs such as the 'Assembly of Captive Nations' (3)
In the late 1980s and early 1990s many of the U.S.-protected Nazi war criminals (and/or their children) were shipped back to Eastern Europe and the Balkans where they helped to launch secessionist movements, install U.S. and German puppet governments, assassinate those who resisted and foster national hatreds. For example, returning Fascists helped Franjo Tudjman's neo-Nazi group, the Croatian Democratic Union, or HDZ, take over the Croatian Republic and launch a secessionist war against Yugoslavia in 1991. (4)
THE BUMBLING BEAR THEORY OF U.S. FOREIGN POLICY
Why do critics of U.S. foreign policy so often present Washington as a passive force? Why are we constantly told that the U.S. is being 'used by the Cuban exiles for their own agenda' or that the U.S. has 'screwed up once again by backing the Kosovo Liberation Army' and that 'sooner or later the Americans will find out what kind of monsters these Albanian secessionists are' and so on. (5)
Two explanations come to mind.
First, wittingly or unwittingly, people tend to censor themselves in confrontation with reckless power.
When one is criticizing an Establishment that bombs pill factories because it doesn't like the government (as the U.S. did in Sudan), that bombs Bosnia, Kosovo and Iraq with radioactive weapons and then sends its own and allied troops into the contaminated areas, that refuses to punish submarine commanders who cause the deaths of Japanese fishermen while performing daredevil stunts with nuclear submarines - in criticizing such an Establishment one may experience the temptation to exercise restraint.
If, for example, one argues that Washington was tricked into working with Nazis one may feel reasonably secure. One is not challenging the basic legitimacy of the Wall Street-Washington axis. But if one argues that the nightmares of U.S. foreign policy have been, like most large-scale human activities, planned, then one will be accused of being conspiratorial, or extremist, or worse. One may find that certain doors, previously open, are now shut tight. Or worse.
Second, American TV and films, viewed by people all over the world, project an image of the Innocent American official: kind hearted, too powerful for his own good; easily fooled and manipulated. This plays a big role in conditioning people to think of the U.S. government as a bumbling bear.
Since the movies are partly responsible for this nonsensical image of American leaders, let me paraphrase a famous movie speech by way of refutation:
"Don't be too sure we're as naive as we're supposed to be. That sort of reputation might be good business, toning down the critics and making it easier to deal with the enemy." (With apologies to Sam Spade in the 'Maltese Falcon', for which see The Maltese Falcon (1941) (http://www.filmsite.org/malt.html) )
Was Washington an innocent bystander during World War II? It was most surely not. The OSS, predecessor of the CIA, was engaged all over Europe. OSS operatives knew - and reported - that monstrous crimes were being committed by Nazis, following which Washington recruited these same Nazis into its burgeoning covert apparatus, the most sensitive branch of the U.S. government.
Think about this. The OSS was a small organization. The Nazi apparatus was huge and well organized. Absorbing the Nazis into U.S. intelligence was like a garter snake eating a rat. What does this mean? It means the most powerful forces in the U.S.A. had decided that the CIA was to be, in essence, a Nazi organization.
Washington's goal was to break up the USSR and other Socialist states and bring them under U.S. domination. The way Washington planners viewed things, Nazis had many virtues. They respected capitalism. They despised a host of groups (including Serbs and other Slavs, 'Gypsies', other dark-skinned people, etc.) who tended to resist U.S. domination. They were good at playing on prejudice against these groups. Moreover, the intensity of their hate gave an energy of persistence to their work. They were skilled at demagoguery, subversion, assassination, and torture.
Numerous virtues; only one fault: a very bad reputation, regarding which, no problem unless the truth came out. And should the truth come out, (as it is indeed trickling out today) the important thing from Washington's point of view was and is to make sure the inevitable criticism has the proper slant. Let the critics declare that it was all a terrible, stupid, unforgivable mistake and we should learn 'our' lesson and never never do such bad things again.
Better to be attacked for being unforgivably stupid than for being unforgivably evil. To this end, President Clinton set up an 'Interagency Working Group' (IWG), made up of "scholars, public officials, and former intelligence officers who helped prepare the CIA records for declassification." It would appear that Mr. Lee has accepted the IWG's spin on the Nazi-CIA connection.
Below is the 'San Francisco Bay Guardian' article.
Following the article I have posted a few dissenting remarks.
-- Jared Israel, 21 May 2001
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The CIA's Worst-Kept Secret
From 'San Francisco Bay Guardian', May 7, 2001
Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
by Martin A. Lee
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"Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... unprejudiced mind ..."
That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit performed "special duties," a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other "undesirables" during the Second World War.
Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies..
Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War-- the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.
The CIA reports show that U.S. officials knew they were subsidizing numerous Third Reich veterans who had committed horrible crimes against humanity, but these atrocities were overlooked as the anti-Communist crusade acquired its own momentum. For Nazis who would otherwise have been charged with war crimes, signing on with American intelligence enabled them to avoid a prison term.
"The real winners of the Cold War were Nazi war criminals, many of whom were able to escape justice because the East and West became so rapidly focused after the war on challenging each other," says Eli Rosenbaum, director of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations and America's chief Nazi hunter. Rosenbaum serves on a Clinton-appointed Interagency Working Group committee of U.S. scholars, public officials, and former intelligence officers who helped prepare the CIA records for declassification.
Many Nazi criminals "received light punishment, no punishment at all, or received compensation because Western spy agencies considered them useful assets in the Cold War," the IWG team stated after releasing 18,000 pages of redacted CIA material. (More installments are pending.)
These are "not just dry historical documents," insists former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman, a member of the panel that examined the CIA files. As far as Holtzman is concerned, the CIA papers raise critical questions about American foreign policy and the origins of the Cold War.
The decision to recruit Nazi operatives had a negative impact on U.S.-Soviet relations and set the stage for Washington's tolerance of human rights' abuses and other criminal acts in the name of anti-Communism. With that fateful sub-rosa embrace, the die was cast for a litany of antidemocratic CIA interventions around the world.
The Gehlen Org
The key figure on the German side of the CIA-Nazi tryst was General Reinhard Gehlen, who had served as Adolf Hitler's top anti-Soviet spy. During World War II, Gehlen oversaw all German military-intelligence operations in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
As the war drew to a close, Gehlen surmised that the U.S.-Soviet alliance would soon break down. Realizing that the United States did not have a viable cloak-and-dagger apparatus in Eastern Europe, Gehlen surrendered to the Americans and pitched himself as someone who could make a vital contribution to the forthcoming struggle against the Communists. In addition to sharing his vast espionage archive on the USSR, Gehlen promised that he could resurrect an underground network of battle-hardened anti-Communist assets who were well placed to wreak havoc throughout the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
Although the Yalta Treaty stipulated that the United States must give the Soviets all captured German officers who had been involved in "eastern area activities," Gehlen was quickly spirited off to Fort Hunt, Va. The image he projected during 10 months of negotiations at Fort Hunt was, to use a bit of espionage parlance, a "legend" --one that hinged on Gehlen's false claim that he was never really a Nazi, but was dedicated, above all, to fighting Communism. Those who bit the bait included future CIA director Allen Dulles, who became Gehlen's biggest supporter among American policy wonks.
Gehlen returned to West Germany in the summer of 1946 with a mandate to rebuild his espionage organization and resume spying on the East at the behest of American intelligence. The date is significant as it preceded the onset of the Cold War, which, according to standard U.S. historical accounts, did not begin until a year later. The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that Washington was in a Cold War mode sooner than most people realize. The Gehlen gambit also belies the prevalent Western notion that aggressive Soviet policies were primarily to blame for triggering the Cold War.
Based near Munich, Gehlen proceeded to enlist thousands of Gestapo, Wehrmacht, and SS veterans. Even the vilest of the vile -- the senior bureaucrats who ran the central administrative apparatus of the Holocaust -- were welcome in the "Gehlen Org," as it was called, including Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's chief deputy. SS major Emil Augsburg and Gestapo captain Klaus Barbie, otherwise known as the "Butcher of Lyon," were among those who did double duty for Gehlen and U.S. intelligence. "It seems that in the Gehlen headquarters one SS man paved the way for the next and Himmler's elite were having happy reunion ceremonies," the Frankfurter Rundschau reported in the early1950s.
Bolted lock, stock, and barrel into the CIA, Gehlen's Nazi-infested spy apparatus functioned as America's secret eyes and ears in central Europe. The Org would go on to play a major role within NATO, supplying two-thirds of raw intelligence on the Warsaw Pact countries. Under CIA auspices, and later as head of the West German secret service until he retired in 1968, Gehlen exerted considerable influence on U.S. policy toward the Soviet bloc. When U.S. spy chiefs desired an off-the-shelf style of nation tampering, they turned to the readily available Org, which served as a subcontracting syndicate for a series of ill-fated guerrilla air drops behind the Iron Curtain and other harebrained CIA rollback schemes.
Sitting ducks for disinformation
...Third Reich veterans often proved adept at peddling data -- much of it false -- in return for cash and safety, the IWG panel concluded. Many Nazis played a double game, feeding scuttlebutt to both sides of the East-West conflict and preying upon the mutual suspicions that emerged from the rubble of Hitler's Germany.
General Gehlen frequently exaggerated the Soviet threat in order to exacerbate tensions between the superpowers. At one point he succeeded in convincing General Lucius Clay, military governor of the U.S. zone of occupation in Germany, that a major Soviet war mobilization had begun in Eastern Europe. This prompted Clay to dash off a frantic, top-secret telegram to Washington in March 1948, warning that war "may come with dramatic suddenness."
Gehlen's disinformation strategy was based on a simple premise: the colder the Cold War got, the more political space for Hitler's heirs to maneuver. The Org could only flourish under Cold War conditions; as an institution it was therefore committed to perpetuating the Soviet-American conflict.
"The agency loved Gehlen because he fed us what we wanted to hear. We used his stuff constantly, and we fed it to everyone else -- the Pentagon, the White House, the newspapers. They loved it, too. But it was hyped-up Russian bogeyman junk, and it did a lot of damage to this country," a retired CIA official told author Christopher Simpson, who also serves on the IWG review panel and was author of "Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War."
CONTINUED, PART 2
URL for this article: Worst Kept Secrets of a Bumbling Bear (http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2.htm)
WORST KEPT SECRETS OF THE BUMBLING BEAR - PART 2 (of 2)
(Note: Mr. Lee's article continues here)
UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES
Members of the Gehlen Org were instrumental in helping thousands of fascist fugitives escape via "ratlines" to safe havens abroad --often with a wink and a nod from U.S. intelligence officers.
Third Reich expatriates and fascist collaborators subsequently emerged as "security advisors" in several Middle Eastern and Latin American countries, where ultra-right-wing death squads persist as their enduring legacy. Klaus Barbie, for example, assisted a succession of military regimes in Bolivia, where he taught soldiers torture techniques and helped protect the flourishing cocaine trade in the late 1970s and early '80s.
CIA officials eventually learned that the Nazi old boy network nesting inside the Gehlen Org had an unexpected twist to it. By bankrolling Gehlen the CIA unknowingly laid itself open to manipulation by a foreign intelligence service that was riddled with Soviet spies. Gehlen's habit of employing compromised ex-Nazis -- and the CIA's willingness to sanction this practice -- enabled the USSR to penetrate West Germany's secret service by blackmailing numerous agents.
...Slow to recognize that their Nazi hired guns would feign an allegiance to the Western alliance as long as they deemed it tactically advantageous, CIA officials invested far too much in Gehlen's spooky Nazi outfit. "It was a horrendous mistake, morally, politically, and also in very pragmatic intelligence terms," says American University professor Richard Breitman, chairman of the IWG review panel.
More than just a bungled spy caper, the Gehlen debacle should serve as a cautionary tale at a time when post-Cold War triumphalism and arrogant unilateralism are rampant among U.S. officials. If nothing else, it underscores the need for the United States to confront some of its own demons now that unreconstructed Cold Warriors are again riding top saddle in Washington.
[MR. LEE'S ARTICLE ENDS HERE]
*** (C) 'San Francisco Bay Guardian,' Reprinted for Fair Use Only ***
FURTHER COMMENTS ABOUT THE 'GUARDIAN' ARTICLE
ONE: CONCERNING FALSE INFORMATION
by Jared Israel
Mr. Lee writes that General Gehlen passed Washington false information about a supposed Soviet buildup and adds that:
"Gehlen's disinformation strategy was based on a simple premise: the colder the Cold War got, the more political space for Hitler's heirs to maneuver. The Org could only flourish under Cold War conditions; as an institution it was therefore committed to perpetuating the Soviet-American conflict."
First, this is speculation presented as fact. Who knows whether Gehlen invented any particular piece of misinformation, or whether someone in the CIA instructed him to 'invent' it.
Second, so what if CIA Nazis sometimes made false reports to heighten tensions or make themselves look good. That sort of thing is always possible in intelligence organizations. (Graham Greene's wonderful novel, 'Our Man in Havana,' is about a British intelligence 'asset' in Cuba who manufactures an entire spy network to keep himself employed.)
Indeed, the CIA is itself famous for telling tall tales about the misdeeds of those resisting U.S. domination. Such statements help create a provocative atmosphere in which aggressive policies seem justified.
The question is not whether the Nazis sometimes misled Washington, or whether Soviet intelligence could sometimes use the Nazis against Washington. The question is: what were and are Washington's plans?
Did Washington want to crush the Soviet Union and install puppet governments throughout Eastern Europe and the Balkans? Does Washington now wish to turn the Balkans into a safe rear while it moves NATO bases up to Russian borders in order to facilitate 'low intensity war' against Russia? I would argue that the answer to both questions is: yes.
The Nazi apparatus was and remains useful in carrying out these strategies.
TWO: HOW MUCH 'INVESTMENT IN NAZISM' IS TOO MUCH? OR: HOW MUCH IS JUST THE RIGHT AMOUNT?
Mr. Lee writes:
"Slow to recognize that their Nazi hired guns would feign an allegiance to the Western alliance as long as they deemed it tactically advantageous, CIA officials invested far too much in Gehlen's spooky Nazi outfit. 'It was a horrendous mistake, morally, politically, and also in very pragmatic intelligence terms,' says American University professor Richard Breitman, chairman of the IWG review panel."
'Feign allegiance'? What evidence is there that the Nazis were feigning? The problem is Mr. Lee is proceeding from his assumption that Washington made a mistake in recruiting the Nazis. This assumption is wrong; that is, it is plainly contradicted by the evidence he presents. Like many people, he finds it awkward to change his assumptions; so instead he offers, by way of compromise, this notion that the Nazis were insincere. (Am I alone in finding that the mind boggles at the notion of the insincere Nazi?)
And what if these Nazis did sometimes feign loyalty? Many employees 'feign allegiance.' The question the employer asks is: are they getting the job done.
Says Mr. Lee, "CIA officials invested far too much in Gehlen's spooky Nazi outfit." Earlier he refers to the "Gehlen gambit." And elsewhere he comments that this was "more than a bungled spy caper"!
This language suggests that that Mr. Lee, like so many Americans, does not fully grasp what is involved here. The 'people' whom Allen Dulles and Co. rescued and recruited into the CIA were not spooky. This was not simply 'more than a bungled spy caper.'
These unimaginably vicious thugs were rescued to do a job.
Therefore the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency had at the core of its field staff, from the time of its creation, mass murderers. They were used all over the world to do what they had done during World War II.
What had they done during World War II? What skills did they bring to the CIA?
Let us consider the Croatian Ustashe. These henchmen of a clerical-fascist regime (the term "clerical" is used to describe the Ustashe because the Catholic clergy controlled this fascist movement) carried out the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Serbs, Jews and 'Gypsies.'
"The Ustasa regime in Croatia and particularly this drive... to exterminate and dispossess the Serbs, was one of the most horrendous episodes of World War II. The murder methods applied by Ustasha were extraordinarily primitive and sadistic: thousands were hurled from mountain tops, others were beaten to death or had their throats cut, entire villages were burned down, women raped, people sent on death marches in the middle of winter, and still others starved to death..." ('Encyclopedia of the Holocaust,' Macmillan Publishing Company, 1995)
Members of the Ustashe were among those whom U.S. intelligence 'rescued' and whose ranks swelled the CIA and other U.S. covert and semi-covert organizations.
THREE: WAS THE NAZI-CIA MARRIAGE A 'HORRENDOUS MISTAKE'?
Mr. Lee quotes IWG panel member Professor Richard Breitman to the effect that the CIA-NAZI marriage was a:
"horrendous mistake, morally, politically, and also in very pragmatic intelligence terms."
What does it mean for Professor Breitman to describe as a mistake something that was elaborately planned? The recruitment of Nazi's required the movement of thousands of war criminals, setting them up with new identities and financing them for half a century at a cumulative cost of billions of dollars. In the late 1980s and early 1990s they were dispatched with their children to install fascist regimes in power in Croatia and Bosnia; these regimes were universally - and amazingly - described in the Western media and by Western leaders as 'democratic'. Repatriated Nazis were used to install a government in Lithuania that honors pro-Nazi Lithuanians who during World War II massacred local Jews, Orthodox Christians and Bolsheviks.
By what standard can all of this be described as a 'mistake'? Was it a misake because it didn't work?
But it did work.
Or perhaps Breitman and Lee think it was a mistake because it was evil?
But what makes an evil policy a mistake?
Professor Breitman is using sloppy reasoning in order, one suspects, to achieve a political effect. By labeling the Nazi-CIA marriage, with its 'ratlines' and 'captive nations', a mistake, he lets Washington off the hook. "This was counter-productive," he tells us and we think, "Well, if it was counter productive then in a sense Washington as suffered a fool's punishment."
But in fact the U.S. Establishment never paid a price for the monstrous crime of saving the Nazis and then unleashing them, once again, on the world.
Quite the contrary. It gained mightily from the ruthless use of Nazi monsters. It gained a ready-made apparatus in Eastern Europe and the Balkans. It gained the use of an army of covert operatives ready to carry out any crime any place in the world.
Among other things, this apparatus helped destroy the Soviet Union, which had been a major obstacle to the U.S. drive for world domination.
FOUR: IF NOTHING ELSE...
The author concludes with the following comment:
"If nothing else, it [that is, the revelations about CIA-Nazi ties] underscores the need for the United States to confront some of its own demons now that unreconstructed Cold Warriors are again riding top saddle in Washington."
First, why should "nothing else" be done? Why does Washington have the right to set up War Crimes Tribunals to punish people (for instance, Serbian leaders like Milosevic) whose only crime is that they resisted Washington, but when it comes to Washington's own very real war crimes - such as rescuing and unleashing these Nazi monsters - "confronting some of its own demons" is sufficient? (8)
And second, what about this "now that unreconstructed Cold Warriors are again riding top saddle in Washington"?
"Again"?
If by "Cold Warriors" Mr. Lee means advocates of empire, then pray tell, when did they leave the saddle? Does Mr. Lee mean that William Clinton was not an Imperial warrior, but Mr. Bush is?
For all or part of its eight years in office, the Clinton administration waged unrelenting proxy military wars against the people of Yugoslavia, the former Soviet Union, Colombia, Congo, Rwanda, waged a war of sanctions against 70 countries, routinely bombed Iraq while starving its children, and so on. It continued to employ 'captive nations' Nazis in Yugoslavia and Eastern Europe. It greatly developed the use of the National Endowment for 'Democracy', USAID and other government and semi-private agencies and NGOs to create a Fifth Column apparatus in countries around the world.
To be sure, the Bush administration is continuing these efforts. But the notion that Bush's foreign policy represents some sea change from Clinton's foreign policy is without foundation in fact.
-- J.I. 21 May 2001
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FURTHER READING:
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(1) Concerning Allen Dulles and the Nazis, see: "Nazis in the Attic." The article is broken into 6 parts. Parts 3 and 5 deal specifically with Mr. Dulles.
The article begins at Nazis in the Attic (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas1.htm)
The sections that deal specifically with Allen Dulles are part 3, at SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas3.htm)
and part 5 at:
SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/randy/swas4.htm#5)
Part 5 also deals with involvement of the Bush family, since the 1920s, in helping the Nazis.
(2) For a brief introduction to the ratlines see 'The Vatican, Croatia and the Nazi Gold' by Seán Mac Mathúna at
http://www.flamemag.dircon.co.uk/the_vatican.htm (http://www.flamemag.dircon.co.uk/the_vatican.htm)
(3) See excerpts from 'Blowback' by Christopher Simpson which can be read at Bare Fists and Brass Knuckles Blowback America's recruitment of Nazis, and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/BareFists_B_CS.html) and Pipelines to the United States Blowback America's recruitment of Nazis, and its disastrous effect on our domestic and foreign policy (http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Pipelines_B_CS.html)
(4) For more on U.S. support for Nazi butchers after World War II, see the book, "Blowback: America's Nazis and Its Effect on the Cold War" by Christopher Simpson, April 1988. You can find it on Amazon.com For more on the Nazi-like state re-created in Croatia during the early 19900s, see THE CROATIAN USTASHI: MEET THE NAZIS THE CIA MARRIED (http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/backin.htm#a)
(5) Washington was a key force in creating the Albanian secessionist movement in Kosovo. The evidence is there, every step of the way. We will soon post an article, 'Dole Does Kosovo', which documents Washington's open attempt to foster secessionism in Kosovo in 1990. Eight years later, Washington used the cover of the Kosovo Verification Mission to import intelligence operatives and military experts to (attempt to) train the Kosovo Liberation Army so it could function as a modern Army. See:
* 'The Cat is Out of the Bag' by Jared Israel at The Cat is Out of the Bag (http://emperors-clothes.com/news/ciaaided.htm).
and
* 'Why Albanians Fled Kosovo During NATO Bombing' at Why Albanians Fled Kosovo During the 1999 NATO Bombing (http://emperors-clothes.com/interviews/keys.htm)
This interview includes information unavailable elsewhere. It is well worth reading if you want to understand just how sophisticated and ruthless 'poor, mistake-prone' Washington really is.
(6) For more on General Gehlen, see
Reinhard Gehlen and U.S. Intelligence (http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/gehlen2-a.htm)
(7) The assault on Yugoslavia has occasioned perhaps the most extreme examples of the Washington's foreign policy doctrine, which might be paraphrased as follows: "The lie is mightier than the sword."
Case in point: the Kosovo Liberation Army.
The U.S. and Germany created this terrorist group. It's strategy, as described by the pro-NATO publication, 'Jane's Defense Weekly', was and remains: to commit acts of terror in order to provoke a government response which can be misportrayed as ethnic repression and thereby used to justify NATO intervention.
In other words, the KLA is openly terrorist. In addition it is openly racist - it appeals to and encourages hatred of Slavs (especially Serbs) and 'Gypsies.'
Here's the point: At a rally two years ago, Senator Joe Lieberman described this bunch of terrorist-Nazis as follows:
"[The] United States of America and the Kosovo Liberation Army stand for the same human values and principles ... Fighting for the KLA is fighting for human rights and American values." ('Washington Post,' April 28, 1999)
The lie is mightier than the sword.
For more on Senator Joe Lieberman, see 'SENATOR JOE LIEBERMAN - APOLOGIST FOR THE FASCIST KLA' at
Senator Lieberman - Apologist for the fascist KLA (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/garris/duringthe.htm)
8) On Slobodan Miloshevich, see 'KLA Attacks Everyone. Media Attacks...Miloshevich?' Can be read at On the demonization of Milosevic: How and why it's done; why it's nonsense (http://emperors-clothes.com/articles/jared/expan.htm)
and "Statement of President Slobodan Milosevic on The Illegitimacy of The Hague 'Tribunal'" Can be read at http://www.icdsm.org/more/aug30.htm (http://www.icdsm.org/more/aug30.htm)

JBoy
11-09-2010, 05:28 AM
The CIA's Worst-Kept Secret.
Newly Declassified Files Confirm United States Collaboration with Nazis
From 'San Francisco Bay Guardian', May 7, 2001
by Martin A. Lee
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"Honest and idealist ... enjoys good food and wine ... unprejudiced mind ..."
That's how a 1952 Central Intelligence Agency assessment described Nazi ideologue Emil Augsburg, an officer at the infamous Wannsee Institute, the SS think tank involved in planning the Final Solution. Augsburg's SS unit performed "special duties," a euphemism for exterminating Jews and other "undesirables" during the Second World War.
Although he was wanted in Poland for war crimes, Augsburg managed to ingratiate himself with the U.S. CIA, which employed him in the late1940s as an expert on Soviet affairs. Recently released CIA records indicate that Augsburg was among a rogue's gallery of Nazi war criminals recruited by U.S. intelligence shortly after Germany surrendered to the Allies..
Pried loose by Congress, which passed the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act three years ago, a long-hidden trove of once-classified CIA documents confirms one of the worst-kept secrets of the Cold War-- the CIA's use of an extensive Nazi spy network to wage a clandestine campaign against the Soviet Union.
The CIA reports show that U.S. officials knew they were subsidizing numerous Third Reich veterans who had committed horrible crimes against humanity, but these atrocities were overlooked as the anti-Communist crusade acquired its own momentum. For Nazis who would otherwise have been charged with war crimes, signing on with American intelligence enabled them to avoid a prison term.
"The real winners of the Cold War were Nazi war criminals, many of whom were able to escape justice because the East and West became so rapidly focused after the war on challenging each other," says Eli Rosenbaum, director of the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations and America's chief Nazi hunter. Rosenbaum serves on a Clinton-appointed Interagency Working Group committee of U.S. scholars, public officials, and former intelligence officers who helped prepare the CIA records for declassification.
Many Nazi criminals "received light punishment, no punishment at all, or received compensation because Western spy agencies considered them useful assets in the Cold War," the IWG team stated after releasing 18,000 pages of redacted CIA material. (More installments are pending.)
These are "not just dry historical documents," insists former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman, a member of the panel that examined the CIA files. As far as Holtzman is concerned, the CIA papers raise critical questions about American foreign policy and the origins of the Cold War.
The decision to recruit Nazi operatives had a negative impact on U.S.-Soviet relations and set the stage for Washington's tolerance of human rights' abuses and other criminal acts in the name of anti-Communism. With that fateful sub-rosa embrace, the die was cast for a litany of antidemocratic CIA interventions around the world.
The Gehlen Org
The key figure on the German side of the CIA-Nazi tryst was General Reinhard Gehlen, who had served as Adolf Hitler's top anti-Soviet spy. During World War II, Gehlen oversaw all German military-intelligence operations in Eastern Europe and the USSR.
As the war drew to a close, Gehlen surmised that the U.S.-Soviet alliance would soon break down. Realizing that the United States did not have a viable cloak-and-dagger apparatus in Eastern Europe, Gehlen surrendered to the Americans and pitched himself as someone who could make a vital contribution to the forthcoming struggle against the Communists. In addition to sharing his vast espionage archive on the USSR, Gehlen promised that he could resurrect an underground network of battle-hardened anti-Communist assets who were well placed to wreak havoc throughout the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe.
Although the Yalta Treaty stipulated that the United States must give the Soviets all captured German officers who had been involved in "eastern area activities," Gehlen was quickly spirited off to Fort Hunt, Va. The image he projected during 10 months of negotiations at Fort Hunt was, to use a bit of espionage parlance, a "legend" --one that hinged on Gehlen's false claim that he was never really a Nazi, but was dedicated, above all, to fighting Communism. Those who bit the bait included future CIA director Allen Dulles, who became Gehlen's biggest supporter among American policy wonks.
Gehlen returned to West Germany in the summer of 1946 with a mandate to rebuild his espionage organization and resume spying on the East at the behest of American intelligence. The date is significant as it preceded the onset of the Cold War, which, according to standard U.S. historical accounts, did not begin until a year later. The early courtship of Gehlen by American intelligence suggests that Washington was in a Cold War mode sooner than most people realize. The Gehlen gambit also belies the prevalent Western notion that aggressive Soviet policies were primarily to blame for triggering the Cold War.
Based near Munich, Gehlen proceeded to enlist thousands of Gestapo, Wehrmacht, and SS veterans. Even the vilest of the vile -- the senior bureaucrats who ran the central administrative apparatus of the Holocaust -- were welcome in the "Gehlen Org," as it was called, including Alois Brunner, Adolf Eichmann's chief deputy. SS major Emil Augsburg and Gestapo captain Klaus Barbie, otherwise known as the "Butcher of Lyon," were among those who did double duty for Gehlen and U.S. intelligence. "It seems that in the Gehlen headquarters one SS man paved the way for the next and Himmler's elite were having happy reunion ceremonies," the Frankfurter Rundschau reported in the early1950s.
Bolted lock, stock, and barrel into the CIA, Gehlen's Nazi-infested spy apparatus functioned as America's secret eyes and ears in central Europe. The Org would go on to play a major role within NATO, supplying two-thirds of raw intelligence on the Warsaw Pact countries. Under CIA auspices, and later as head of the West German secret service until he retired in 1968, Gehlen exerted considerable influence on U.S. policy toward the Soviet bloc. When U.S. spy chiefs desired an off-the-shelf style of nation tampering, they turned to the readily available Org, which served as a subcontracting syndicate for a series of ill-fated guerrilla air drops behind the Iron Curtain and other harebrained CIA rollback schemes.
Sitting ducks for disinformation
...Third Reich veterans often proved adept at peddling data -- much of it false -- in return for cash and safety, the IWG panel concluded. Many Nazis played a double game, feeding scuttlebutt to both sides of the East-West conflict and preying upon the mutual suspicions that emerged from the rubble of Hitler's Germany.
General Gehlen frequently exaggerated the Soviet threat in order to exacerbate tensions between the superpowers. At one point he succeeded in convincing General Lucius Clay, military governor of the U.S. zone of occupation in Germany, that a major Soviet war mobilization had begun in Eastern Europe. This prompted Clay to dash off a frantic, top-secret telegram to Washington in March 1948, warning that war "may come with dramatic suddenness."
Gehlen's disinformation strategy was based on a simple premise: the colder the Cold War got, the more political space for Hitler's heirs to maneuver. The Org could only flourish under Cold War conditions; as an institution it was therefore committed to perpetuating the Soviet-American conflict.
"The agency loved Gehlen because he fed us what we wanted to hear. We used his stuff constantly, and we fed it to everyone else -- the Pentagon, the White House, the newspapers. They loved it, too. But it was hyped-up Russian bogeyman junk, and it did a lot of damage to this country," a retired CIA official told author Christopher Simpson, who also serves on the IWG review panel and was author of "Blowback: America's Recruitment of Nazis and Its Effects on the Cold War."

JBoy
11-09-2010, 05:34 AM
NOW, Do You really think HITLER DIED ???????????????????

All in his top command got away.......??????????? thats CIA for a deranged mentality of a masonic world !!!! right here in the ole USA !!!! Hitler could have been ur neighbor ?????
What did they bring when they brought these 1500 nazi satanists over here.. a Nazi cia which conducted satanic horrid experiments on children...blacks....indians....ALL documented..All fact...Now at year 2010 its enbedded in some several million...Its like a domino effect.. they teach them teach them... what you ask, MIND CONTROL..

plenty more coming ur way !!!

JBoy
11-09-2010, 05:48 AM
The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination
Evidence of link between Nazis still in operation after World War II to the still unsolved murder of John F. Kennedy
(from the short-lived Larry Flynt publication The Rebel, January 1984)

The Nazi Connection to the John F. Kennedy Assassination by Mae Brussell (http://www.whale.to/b/brussell_nazi.html)

JBoy
11-09-2010, 06:20 AM
As we all know, birds of a feather,flock together............ James Angleton, Knight of Malta. Reinhard Gehlen, Knight of Malta. Clay Shaw, Knight of Malta. David Ferrie, Jesuit-trained defrocked Catholic priest. Guy Banister, subservient to the Jesuits and member of Scottish Rite Freemasonry. CIA (Through Knights of Malta, McCone, Buckley, etc.).. CIA in itself was/is run by freemansons...ALL FACT>>>>>NON FICTION
How do u get to be a "pround" KNIGHT of Malta ???? thur freemasonry ofcourse !!!!.. all murderers...wicked bastards !!!

JBoy
11-09-2010, 04:21 PM
Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherf(f), Jr., was the 41st U.S. president By Don Nicoloff (http://www.whale.to/b/nicoloff_h.html)
http://www.whale.to/b/bushmengkorz.jpg
According to Otto Skorzeny (http://www.whale.to/b/skorzeny_h.html), pictured is the Scherff family and a few friends (circa 1938). Holding “Mother" Scherff’s hand at left is Martin Bormann. In front is Reinhardt Gehlen (http://www.whale.to/b/gehlen_h.html). In back is Joseph Mengele (http://www.whale.to/b/mengele.html) and to his right is Skorzeny as a young man. At center right (in the German navy uniform) is George H. Scherff, Jr. and his father George H. Scherff, Sr. Bormann became Hitler’s second in command. Reinhardt Gehlen was a chief SS officer and assassin who was smuggled out of Germany under Operation Paperclip. Skorzeny was Hitler's bodyguard and SS spy/assassin who came to the U.S. after the war under Project Paperclip. Skorzeny and GHW Bush were instrumental in merging Nazi (SS) intelligence with the OSI to form the CIA with "Wild Bill" Donovan and Allen Dulles. These guys were also part of CIA mind control experiments such as MK-ULTRA. SS officer and physician Joseph Mengele, the notoriously sadistic “Angel of Death” of Auschwitz, escaped Germany to South America after the war. George H. Scherff, Jr., became the 41st President of the United States as GHW Bush and George H. Scherff, Sr., was Nicola Tesla’s “trusted assistant.”

JBoy
11-09-2010, 05:06 PM
That picture above sounds crazy as hell, right ??

The truth will set your free..Pure evil as it gets....Mengale slaughered thousands.... and Dulles, just seems unreal of ur president !!!!!
Heres the truth !!!!

From the April 2007 Idaho Observ (http://www.whale.to/b/april_2007_idaho.html#Part_2)

JBoy
11-10-2010, 11:45 AM
British Royal family, ..Lets NOT Forget Them

Books
Hitler was a British Agent by Greg Hallett (http://www.whale.to/b/hallet_b.html)
Stalin's British Training by Greg Hallett (http://www.whale.to/b/hallett1_b.html)
HOW TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD A Right Royal Con by Greg Hallett. (http://www.whale.to/b/hallett_b2.html)
Quotes
Most of the British Royal family are illegitimate, including Queen Victoria, Prince consort Albert, King Edward VII and his son Winston Churchill. Winston Churchill was first cousin with Adolf Hitler’s father and uncle to Anthony Blunt, King Edward VIII and King George VI. Adolf Hitler’s grandfather ran the Rothschild Bank, the Bank of England, and was the first Jewish MP in British Parliament.
Prince Albert was also the son of a stable boy. Close to bankruptcy, the British Royal family were saved by another stable boy, John Brown, who went on to marry Queen Victoria after Albert ‘died’.
The British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family and the Rothschilds control all the wars and finances of the British monarchy. The British Royal family declare war as soon as the Rothschilds have completed their preparations. This makes for huge profits.
Many royals died of syphilis and many others died from the treatment of syphilis. When a British royal didn’t like his wife, he simply ordered her murder – on their coronation night. This was repeated again 166 years later with the murder of Princess Diana as covered up by Lord Stevens. HOW TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD A Right Royal Con by Greg Hallett. (http://www.whale.to/b/hallett_b2.html)

JBoy
11-11-2010, 04:19 PM
95 % or more are freemasons

CIA's AUGEAN STABLES
King Augean owned twelve white bulls sacred to Apollo. Their stables had not been cleaned in thirty years. Hercules had to do the work in one day. He diverted the course of a river, made it run through the stables, and completed his labor.
"The CIA's Directorate of Operations is in a state of deep rot." Former DCI John Deutch.
The Directorate of Operations is, a "wasteland, a Mecca for know-nothing men..." Former CIA Officer Reuel Gerecht, pen name, Edward Shirley.
U.S. intelligence "needs to be scrubbed" from the top down, from its spies to its analysts to its "bureaucratic barons." Admiral Jeremiah's 1998 report.
We might suggest to the current DCI, George Tenet, that he divert the Potomac River and clean out the CIA's "Augean Stables," the Directorate of Operations. Instead he has gone on a massive recruitment drive that will only pile up more manure.
The New York Times recently reported that Tenet has the CIA recruiting aggressively -- two or three thousand in the next few years. He says he must do this or risk the slow death of American intelligence. He hopes to make the clandestine service bigger than it was at the height of the Cold War, to open more overseas stations and bases, to mount more complex and more expensive secret operations. And he wants the nation's sharpest talents to come to work at CIA Headquarters as analysts, information technicians and in-house experts. He aims to revitalize an agency mired in a slough of despond-terrible publicity, terrible morale, terrible credibility.
Congress plans to pump hundreds of millions of extra dollars into the Agency over the next few years to get new blood flowing. Tenet rates the hiring blitz as the most important internal affair on the Agency's agenda for the rest of the century.
I suggest that the CIA's most important internal affair is cleaning out the Directorate of Operations Augean Stables -- its poor, incompetent and arrogant leaders. Even if those leaders were capable of recognizing their deficiencies, they do not have the ability to devise solutions.
Next the CIA must alter its personnel procedures that have resulted in rewarding incompetence and duplicity -- see a description of these in Edward Shirley's book, "Know Thine Enemy" or view his comments on my web page.
Another set of problems occurs with the CIA's Inspector General who tosses all protests back to the complainants' bosses. A prescription for disaster.
One issue that has plagued me since my time in the CIA is the complete inability of its operations officers to analyze. This has defeated intelligence collection in many ways. First the case officers cannot evaluate their agents. This is manifest -- Cuba's DGI ran three dozen agents the CIA thought was working for it. East Germany's Stasi had probably a few hundred double agents supposedly working for CIA, and the KGB's double agents convinced the CIA that the USSR was a viable, threatening menace when everyone else recognized its collapse.
These egregious realities have somehow avoided Tenet's notice as he happily builds atop its rotting foundations.
One reason (of a number of reasons) the DGI, Stasi and the KGB were able to dupe the CIA is that the operations officers had no incentive to, nor measuring ability, to question agent reporting.
There is also the problem that if a case officer questions his own agents' reporting, he then is questioning his own (the case officer's) promotability. The Operations Directorate promotes based on the number of agent recruitments -- the results be damned or ignored or never reviewed.
Since case officers are recruited for their rigid mentalities (those with flexible mentalities might question orders) and since Tenet uses the same personality qualifications for the new officers, he is recruiting disaster.
The CIA is hiring all sorts of new analysts but until it gets analysts directly involved in all phases of operations -- we can guarantee failure.
I must briefly cite my own personal experience at the risk of immodesty. The CIA in mid-1960s targeted me against the burgeoning insurgency in Thailand. (For a more complete description see my book, Deadly Deceits). Within about six months, using analysis and operations, I discovered what the Thai Communist Party was doing and how to defeat it -- a problem that had plagued the CIA for decades. I am not that good, it is just that the rest of the CIA's officers were that bad.
Next I asked to go to Vietnam because I wanted to defeat the communists there. With a little research and operations I quickly determined that the United States could not win in Vietnam and that the Agency had absolutely no idea what was happening in that country. An ignorance that continues to this day. My conclusions and protests landed me in the Agency's very vengeful doghouse.
So if Tenet has any sort of analytical ability himself he can see that he must first clean up the stables before trying to build anew.
A number of critics claim that I am far too soft on the CIA. I have in recent times changed my views to some extent. With the advent of international terrorism we need the best possible intelligence service to fight that terrifying menace. Instead we have the ignorant, arrogant and incompetent CIA.
We must recognize that the United States will always have an intelligence agency. It is my hope, therefore, that the CIA can change enough to become a real intelligence agency, if not it should be abolished or replaced by a new structure.
Ralph McGehee
http://www.members.tripod.com/CIABASE/index.html

JBoy
11-12-2010, 12:39 PM
Cults Aerial view only Swastika, San Diego Navy base
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/27/us/27swastika.html?_r=1&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
September 27, 2007
Navy to Mask Swastika Look of Barracks in California


By CAROLYN MARSHALL

The Navy plans to spend $600,000 for “camouflage” landscaping and rooftop adjustments so that 1960s-era barracks at the Naval Base Coronado near San Diego will no longer look like a Nazi swastika from the air. The resemblance went unnoticed by the public for decades until it was spotted in aerial views on Google Earth. But Navy officials said they became aware of it shortly after the 1967 groundbreaking, and had decided not to do anything. “There was no reason to redo the buildings because they were in use,” a spokeswoman for the base, Angelic Dolan, said. She added that the buildings were in a no-fly zone that is off limits to commercial airlines, so most people would not see them from the air. “You have to realize back in the ’60s we did not have the Internet,” Ms. Dolan said. “We don’t want to offend anyone, and we don’t want to be associated with the symbol.”

The Navy’s plans were reported Monday in The San Diego Union-Tribune. The Anti-Defamation League in San Diego has objected to the shape of the buildings. “We told the Navy this was an incredibly inappropriate shape for a structure on a military installation,” said Morris S. Casuto, regional director of the organization. He added, however, that his group “never ascribed evil intent to the structures’ design.” Mr. Casuto praised the Navy for recognizing the problem and “doing the right thing.” The $600,000 for the changes is included in the Navy’s approved 2008 budget.