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Ahmad
02-03-2005, 03:43 AM
Peace,

There seems to be alot of what ifs these days!

What if the NWO is a new idol?

What if Satan is throwing us this new toy to distract us from the real criminals?

What if all these criminals are not connected?

What if they are not united and are actually devided and fighting each other, and we are paying the cost?

What if we didn't study the NWO bibles and instead asked God for help, organized a righteous WO instead?

What if God helped us in this quest and established the RWO, the real one?

What if we are studying the smoke instead of the fire itself?

What if only God has power to harm or benefit us?

Vlad
02-03-2005, 03:46 AM
A good one; to my liking! Way to go, Ahmad!

Saturnino
02-03-2005, 05:06 AM
Peace to you,

I have wondered about this issue...I guess in a sense the NWO is not a tight controlled thing. It may be true that there is a core of Illuminati, but even if there is not, things are marching extraordinarily together to the same end.

As a Christian, I believe that those organizations, movements, etc., albeit possibly not formally conected, move together because Satan pulls the strings of all of them with ine accord.

Therefore, even if there is no conspiracy in the secular sense, there is a spiritual one. The results are too obvious to be discarded.

Vlad
02-03-2005, 05:13 AM
We're getting better and better! Of course there is no NWO in the sense we imagine.

Saturnino
02-03-2005, 11:45 AM
Not what I said...there is just too much evidence that there is a core Illuminati group as Makow says, and that they control several organizations.
The problem is that the connections are not tight and not very evident. They put some money here, some money there, put some people here and there and so everything goes more or less the way they want.

Therefore you have this bunch of different organizations that seem to be disconected but in fact answer to the same group of bad guys. It is like Enron...hundreds of companies to laundry money to the same bandit.

The book "13 Bloodlines of the Illuminati"may be the best one to understand this.

Of course, being failable humans and subjected ultimately to the per5missible will of God, it is not always that they get what they want.

Sorry for the typos, I am in a bad English day. :-?

DoctorX
02-03-2005, 01:52 PM
If there was no NWO I would be the happiest man alive! I would give everything I own and become a street bum for there to be no NWO.

Jimbo
02-03-2005, 02:12 PM
Opinion: :-o :-o :-o

What if God doesn’t interfere in the affairs of man, & waits until all “men” decide their own destinies, good or bad, by their own free-will & by their own doings ?

What if we have to “rise” & elevate ourselves to God instead ?

What if God uses Satan as a filter to select those souls that are worthy of “Eternal Life” ?
8-)

nohope187
02-03-2005, 08:28 PM
What if the sky is really falling and we just don't notice it? 8-)

Vlad
02-08-2005, 02:12 AM
My thoughts exactly, Saurino (sorry, just kidding, I know is Saturnino!)

God is ever present in this world, but not the way we have come to imagine. The Spirit is always here; it is WE who have chosen, wittingly or not, not let It work in us...

Finally, I'm afraid I have some bad news: the sky is REALLY falling and we just don't notice it...

Vlad
02-08-2005, 05:06 AM
"...the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken." (Mat 24:29)

Draken
02-09-2005, 07:24 AM
I know it's rock'n roll and it's the Devil's music and represents a degeneration we've been talking about but this song is very strong and the only music video that actually says anything about the rot we live in.
Even rock musicians can wake up to the Truth and realise the Lie they've been living in. ;-)


"In my eyes, indisposed
in disguise as no one knows
hides the face, lies the snake
the sun in my disgrace

Boiling heat, summer stench
'neath the black the sky looks dead
call my name through the cream
and I'll hear you, scream again

Black hole sun, won't you come
and wash away the rain
black hole sun, won't you come
won't you come, won't you come

Stuttering, cold and damp
steal the warm wind tired friend
times are gone for honest men
and sometimes far too long for snakes

In my shoes a walking sleep
and my youth I pray to keep
heaven send hell away
no one sings like you anymore

Black hole sun, won't you come
and wash away the rain
black hole sun, won't you come
won't you come
Black hole sun, won't you come
and wash away the rain
black hole sun, won't you come
won't you come, black hole sun, black hole sun

Hang my head, drown my fear
till you all just disappear

Black hole sun, won't you come" (repeat til end)

truebeliever
02-09-2005, 08:30 AM
Hey Vlad...if their is no NWO...then my psychiatrist was right!

Ha ha ha...

no but seriously...there is and there is'nt.

I think we give this loose affiliation of twats to much power.

John Raulston Saul writes that he wished there was a tightly run conspiricy then he'd breath a sigh of relief. Anythings better than the bunch of idiots running from one crisis to the next in his view.

I like what congressman Ron Paul says. It's basically a philosophical point of view for most of them.

A world government where basically a benevolent tyrant would run things and make the planet hum along nicely. Plato's Philosopher Kings. A Business, Financial and Intellectual Elite with a peasant mass of followers happy to let someone else run their life for them.

Unfortunately the evoloution of human consciousness demands that individuals run their own lives.

The days of doing what Mum & Dad or what Lord Rothschild tells you are over.

You are going to have to have a personal relationship with God and carry what you have inherited of the Universe specifically & consciously.

Drifting along paying the bills and buying gadgets along the way is over.

Deeply reflecting on ones existent and specifically ones place in the Universe is now a requirement resisted by most. Hence Prozac and so many other societal ills.

The NWO is an unconscious attempt by Intellectually dominent people to stave off the impending doom of realising their is in fact a God who demands a little attention and some respect.

Though %90 of the dominent class who love the NWO idea are basically decent (i said basically) there is a hard core fundmentalist group filled with cynicism and hatred for the common people and their simple lives.

They are extremely dangerous.

Thinking themselve above the common man they will sink far beneath him in the end and become the beast they despise with even more dier consequences than WW2...just more efficient.

Even with all that...i'm optimistic.

marypopinz
02-09-2005, 08:48 AM
True,
I hear ya and I feel ya.
Idiots is what they are and it's a house of cards and lies.

Nature always finds a way through it's creative force - GOD!

I like that explanation of prozac - makes a lot of sense. People denying their spirituality and also numbing the demons they draw through their two faced lives of looking peaches and cream and being just as dysfunctional as any family these days, harbouring evil thoughts and evil actions.

I am still optimistic too! The truth is coming to light and we are being a part of that process - a small individual cog in the machinations of change for the better - the truth coming to light. Nice to appreciate that fact, eh!

Mary XXX

:lol: :lol: :lol:

truebeliever
02-09-2005, 08:01 PM
MAry, Yeh i'm pretty positive but sometimes one drifts the other way.

I guess there may well be some destruction. Perhaps one more disaster to show people what happens when all you worry about is your next fuck or the colour of your new car.

Perhaps it's a form of evoloution in action? Perhaps those with a capacity for caring about whats going on around them will prosper and those with a capacity for remaining as ignorent as possible will be killed off?

I dont like to talk like this. This is how 'They' talk. This is the cynical view of humanity 'They' have...i dont want to slip into that trap.

I always remind myself of John Miltons quote from 1642...

"Those who have put out the peoples eyes reproach them of their blindness"

We must be careful not to join 'Them' in this view but sometimes I find it unavoidable.

A good friend and former Russian Orthodox monk surprised me one day when I lamented what a waste it all was and the sadness I had at the millions who would die.

He replied..."fuck em. You cannot take responsibility for others ignorence. You and I both have had to extricate ourselves from the mud to get a clear view of things and at great cost to ourselves. If others do not want to make that sacrifice then that is their simple and God given choice. After all, thats the point...God has given mankind a choice. To be with him or against him. A free choice. Those that have ears will listen." [paraphrasing of course].

Thats a pretty accurate gist of it.

Can some one help me with a New Testament quote where Jesus speaks to a crowd..."Hypocrits! You know the signs of the weather but cannot see the signs of our time".

I was looking for this in the NT when I opened the page to this Psalm. Perhpas this answers a little of the question first placed here by Ahmed...

[b]PSALM 10

Why do you stand afar off, O Lord? Why do you hide in times of trouble?

2. The wicked in his pride persecutes the poor; let them be caught in the plots which they have devised.

3. For the wicked boasts of his hearts desire; he blesses the greedy and renounces the Lord.

4. The wicked in his proud countenece does not seek God; God is in none of his thoughts.

5. His ways are always prospering; Your judgements are far above out of his sight; as for all his enemies, he sneers at them.

6. He has said in his heart, "I shall not be moved; I shall never be in adversity".

7. His mouth is full of cursing and deceit and oppression; under his tounge is trouble and inequity.

11. He has said in his heart, "God has forgotton; he hides his face; he will never see."

12. Arise O Lord! O God lift up your hand! Do not forget the humble.

13. Why do the wicked renounce God? He has said in his heart, "You will not require an account."

14. But you have seen, for You observe trouble and grief, to repay it by Your hand. THE HELPLESS COMMITS THEMSELVES TO YOU; YOU ARE THE HELPER OF THE FATHERLESS.

16. The Lord is King forever and ever; the nations have perished out of His land.

17. Lord, You have heard the desire of the humble' You will prepare their heart; You will cause your ear to hear.

18. To do justice to the Fatherless and the oppressed, that the man of the Earth may oppress no more.

I'm sure God is watching and moving in mysterious ways.

God acts through the hearts of good people.

Ahmad
02-10-2005, 02:39 AM
Peace TB,

Thanks for the reminder from the Bible. I believe the test differs from one person to another. My test maybe completely different from yours, even if we live in the same house, do the same things, and live in the same environment. So i think the NWO is another distraction, we need to focus on our tests designed specially for us, how many times we surrender to Satan's temptations? how many times we let ourselves go with the flow? i think the majority are in the Alpha state already, no need for the NWO to come, it's already here! it's that dependence on mom and dad you mention.
Nobody wants to be responsible infront of God, they like the state of dependency on the creatures.

If each one of us broke free of the spiritual prisons surrounding him, his life will turn completely (even if no change happened around him).
How can someone say NO to the NWO when he can't say NO to a cigarette? and the list of obsessions, addictions, and phobias, hates go on and on.

Don't expect anyone to revolt, when he has sold his soul already. Isn't it about time that we destroy all the human and material idols and turn to God again!

truebeliever
02-10-2005, 02:56 AM
I agree Ahmed.

Trouble is..."destroying all our material things and turning to God" is exactly what our masters want.

Lord Rothschild and his ilk will not be giving up his addiction to material things though thats just what they want of us.

And if a few billion of us accidently shuffle off this mortal coil they'll be happy about that too.

Technology is not the problem. Blind worship of technology and reason is the problem.

True, it's having a personal relationship with God that counts. I dont mean to be airy fairy about it.

It's not about going to church ranting on about whether you're saved or not. It's about how you conduct yourself every day.

It's not about being perfect it's about acknowledging your imperfect nature and having the capacity to say you were wrong.

I dont know what God is. I dont know if God even exists...out there.

All I know is that there is a feeling i get when i'm on the right path and another feeling i get when i'm not.

The older I get the easier it is to stay on my own path and avoid someone elses.

The most wonderful message I get from the NT is that I am forgiven. It's not my fault. Most of life is in Gods hands alone.

Trust your feelings. The hardest thing to do, as you say, is to let go.

A good example of this is my current erratic employment. My head says get a good job, settle down get a mortgage, you're getting left behind.

My heart says concentrate of gaining more knowledge. Get some good camera equipment and start making documentaries.

Then my head says..."what a pipe dream, what are you going to tell a good woman you may meet when she asks what you do...conspiricy nutter"?

But I have to follow my heart which currently wants to post on this site and get my own web site going.

When I follow my heart it all falls into place. Living this way is a true test. It is often lonely. It's at these times I feel closest to God.

Vlad
02-10-2005, 04:34 AM
It is all a question of trusting one's feelings. It's not you who is getting closer to God when you're lonely, but the opposite. God works through one's feelings.

I use to feel lonely myself; I stil do, sometimes; but now I know that we're never lonely and that's at least comforting.

truebeliever
02-10-2005, 04:41 AM
I agree Vlad.

When ur lonely a part of you is dying. A part that has to die. We're realising at that moment that no one has ever truly acknowledged the 'real' you.

We lose our true nature through trying to please other people growing up.

The greatest gift a parent can give is to allow a child the freedom to be themselves and in general find out who they are without crushing their spirit.

At the moment most parents barely have the energy to even acknowledge their kids exist.

The never ending message is shut up and do as you're told.

No wonder the planets fucked.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 12:58 PM
hey True, you gotta use a darker color than that neon green for quoting stuff, man. My eyes were starting to hurt trying to read that because it blended in with the grey backround, so, I gave up on the first sentence. 8-)

get_real
02-13-2005, 01:58 PM
Take off your sunglasses and squint like the rest of us.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 02:19 PM
Hey, I'm partially color blind to the color green! :evil:

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 07:11 PM
HA ha ha...yeh me too! As soon as I submitted it i went of f**k! I cant see it! I hoped no one would notice... :-o

nohope187
02-13-2005, 07:13 PM
me and Get Real noticed.

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 01:08 AM
:-? The person that raised this thread seems rather arrogant! I mean to question the purpose of the forum to me is like saying in subtle manner your all loons and should give it a rest and dont bother questioning the status quo because you may be getting to close to the truth!.

It also as if he already has all the answers and is just toying with us pleabians like cat with a mouse!. So ahmad what is it you know that the pleabians like me dont? :-?

truebeliever
02-14-2005, 01:33 AM
Dear OC thanks for the paranoid reply to my olive branch.

People need to get something straight.

The Illuminati/Imperialistic Masters dont come to this site...they create wars and spend billions on the mass media to lie to people.

The only people in power perusing this site are various intelligence agencies keeping an eye out for religious loons who might act on the voices in their heads.

Besides, they might pick up a few bit's of decent gossip here and there.

Yawn yawn

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 02:12 AM
:roll: Not a matter of paranioa youve seen me elsewhere i simply wanted to know where! It is really not necessary to make it public!.
Tb you are full of surprises and not very consistant either! If your only concern is your tax dollars then youre lucky! I spent several year without a roof over my head now iam in second year Uni somewhere in nsw!.
The last thing i give dam about is economic fascists and their public expenditure annilation policy i wish to exist also you know! :-x

truebeliever
02-14-2005, 02:54 AM
Do we call a truce or carry on?

Are we familiar now?

Lets move on.

In the end we want the same thing.

If you want consistency and the trains running on time please consult Adolph.

The truth is fluid. It does not stand still.

As new information comes to me I reassess.

I am only interested in the truth. Simple.

BTW...I have not seen you elswhere.

I was simply being nice. You have something to offer but I'm sick of the aggro.

Up to you.

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 04:53 AM
:-x You made one to many insult pal for me to consider anything.I am not taking this lightly threats included!
Besides you are a congenital liar with bullshit sweating out your pores!Libertarians are wankers i have always despised them!

If you want a Personal responsibility based Government you have one with PM Howard why arent you satisfied tool!.
And why you are unempolyed libertarians arent usually on the dole?.
And since Libertarians believe in abolishing welfare i think its time you set an example as a good libertarian taking personal responsbility for your faults and come off taxpayer funds immediately hypocrite! :roll:

truebeliever
02-14-2005, 05:09 AM
Despise is a strong word my friend.

Have you ever noticed that you piss off everybody?

Not because of what you write but because of Y-O-U.

I had a mate like you. He would jump on every word and action filled with aggro. After his 400th flogging he started to reaise that he was in fact part of the problem.

Trust me, I have more working class credentials in my little finger than you'll ever have collecting glasses in the Uni pub.

For Libertarian values to take hold we must first dismantle the Corporations then the State.

Then people can start looking after each other.

If you cant grasp that you silly little prick...then you're basically the silly little prick i always thought you were.

Now I will do what so many others on this forum have already decided.

I'm just going to ignore you.

Sincere best of luck.

You have a brain. I hope you end up using it.

BTW...i'm not on the dole. I live off my savings. Any further questions? No. Good luck.

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 06:46 AM
Trust me, I have more working class credentials in my little finger than you'll ever have collecting glasses in the Uni pub.
:-x
I find this insulting degradation of my character utter shit! I have worked for ten years in total in a variety of occupations i worked for 5 years as in logistics, 3 years in the landscaping trade,and 2 in Hospitality, before i went back to tertiary study!.I am 30 years of age not 19 or 20 like you seem to be assuming!.
I have several certifications including IT and Office admin iam multislkilled!
I find this kind pissing in the wind about my character the act of an unhappy turd that is lazy jeolous because I am Uni student.
It seems you would rather take part in the tall poppy syndrome than achieve anything worthwhile in your own sad life. Some Libertarian!.

I think your an uneducated loser that thinks he is libertarian in fantasy land.
You should seriously get your facts in order!.
You should also cut the personal attacks before you do something you will also regret.Your piss and wind mate but i assure you iam not and iam pretty mad right now about your Bullshit character assination you useless turd!.

For Libertarian values to take hold we must first dismantle the Corporations then the State.

The Corporations have libertarian values tool they are happy with them! I doubt most real Libertarians would give rats ass about you. Your just too low and uneducated on the food chain to be of interest to them!

Then people can start looking after each other.

You couldnt cooperate or work with anyone by the look of things your just plain selfish! Its TB looking after No 1 and schizo alter ego TB No 2. Wanker!!

:-x

truebeliever
02-14-2005, 06:56 AM
OC I am laughing so hard I actually forgot i was supposed to be ignoring you.

""You should also cut the personal attacks before you do something you will also regret.Your piss and wind mate but i assure you iam not and iam pretty mad right now about your Bullshit character assination you useless turd"".

If I do something I regret...what will you do?

Type more bad words at me?

My dear upset and cynical friend, I once dropped 6 guys out the front of Aqua Night club in Perth all by myself.

I think i'll be o.k...

now back to ignoring you...

sorry Ahmed, i'll stop using your thread now.

chuckle chuckle chuckle....

oooooo i'm a beast, a beast i tells ya!

chuckle chuckle...shit i just cant let it go...please elaborate OC...just what are you going to do? You stink and your mum drinks to much.

I'm serious, what are you going to do? I mean think about your stupid comment.

If I post my address to you, will you fly over or will you fly me over for pistols at dawn...or maybe mid morning as I like to sleep in.

I mean come on mate...oh dear.

I feel really stupid about the last ten posts and a little embarressed. Lets just make up and forget it.

Deal?

At the very least i promise not to respond any more to insults and like wise...

P.S...you should never take on a Scorpio with the moon with an exact conjunction with Pluto in the 8th house in virgo. :-P

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 08:09 PM
:-x TB: You are definition of White Trash!
The only saving grace of multiculturalism to me is that it does seem to thin the ranks of Hedonist white trash who I also despise because they believe in nothing and would rather bend over yes please to jew asian and leb phallus!. :lol:

Regional Australia and WA and Perth are next inline your Redneck Wonderland will soon be over! Good Riddecne. :-x

Ozziecynic
02-14-2005, 11:10 PM
TB:
Correction A beefcake that could quite possibly be Jewish or part jew piece of mongrel lard trash all the same! :lol:

Ozziecynic
02-16-2005, 05:33 AM
8-) To everyone else reading this I do sincerely apologise for my aggro in here.But now that i have got that off my chest I can move on more civily I hope!.
I cant just let someone just walk all over me like a dooormat! I have my breaking point!

get_real
02-16-2005, 06:52 AM
Gee, we really didn't notice anything. Ahem!!! :-D