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albie
08-18-2010, 07:47 AM
Here we have a vid of Alex saying that the CIA admitted to faking the 'fat nosed Osama' tape.

CIA admits faking Osama bin Laden 9/11 confession video ~ Max Keiser and Alex Jones *LINK* (http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=8901)

In fact the CIA admitted to attempting to fake a different video in which Osama was portrayed as being a gay, as shown in this article by the Washington Post.

SpyTalk - CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html)

Jones started out suggesting that this evidence shows they MAY have faked other Osama tapes and now he's openy lying and saying they have admitted to faking the 'fat nosed Osama tape'.

In actuality there is no evidence of this tape being fake.

jane doe
08-18-2010, 12:01 PM
Does a witness count as evidence or is evidence strictly tangible?

albie
08-19-2010, 06:51 AM
That is a big diversion from what I am bringing up regarding Alex Jones. But I'm not about to get paranoid enough to suggest you did that on purpose.

Jones is lying in the video, about an article he didn't write concerning people he did not meet.

But he is lying. Some would say he is paraphrasing, reading between the lines.

I think he is being manipulative to sell more of his fearmonger survival BS produce.

conasatátú
09-14-2010, 02:58 AM
But they did do this, as reported by the Telegraph UK:

The FBI has admitted using a photograph of a bearded Spanish politician as the basis for a mocked-up photofit image showing how Osama Bin Laden might look now. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7004715/FBI-admits-Spanish-politican-was-model-for-high-tech-Osama-bin-Laden-photo-fit.html)

FBI admits Spanish politican was model for 'high-tech' Osama bin Laden photo-fit - Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7004715/FBI-admits-Spanish-politican-was-model-for-high-tech-Osama-bin-Laden-photo-fit.html)

I live in Spain - there was an enormous amount of press coverage over this manipulation. And so it would seem that if the security agencies are that slack and lackadaisical about what they do and produce the circumstantial evidence would point to other "manipulations"?

One has to bear in mind the following: if I take my vehicle to get it serviced I have to trust what the mechanic says - I am no mechanic. Similarly with Alex Jones, he draws his sources from the internet - his sources may be lying. In much the same way as the Telegraph article linked above may be a lie. However, the Telegraph has a reputation for honesty as far as dictated by its right-leaning editorial policies and the corporate manipulators of the newspaper.

albie
09-14-2010, 03:41 AM
The FBI used the photo as a mock up, it wasn't an attempt to fake anything. The police use them all the time. They haven't been caught out doing anything underhanded. This is a non story.

conasatátú
09-14-2010, 05:07 AM
In its self it is a non-story I'll agree, but as this is used routinely as a normal procedure, I can quite well imagine more devious scenarios. Including creative editing of film footage.

There is no need to point out FBI gaffes. UK and USA security personnel have left laptops on trains etc. They are quite able to screw up by themselves.

The point being that these forms of behaviour have become the norm which results in people like Alex Jones. I personally find him way to loud, arrogant, likes the sound of his own voice too much. Nevertheless a lot of what he is trying to do seems in the right direction. Even if you don't like the man it doesn't help an awakening movement to awaken when the main mouthpieces are denigrated as liars.

Compared to the lies told us by our various governments and govermental agencies Alex Jones is a only a novice.

As I'm posting from Spain, and I'm gussing a large percentage of the folk here are based in the USA, I see things through the window of the internet. I'm not involved in your street level, state level, national politics. But I do know that what USA and UK adopt generally has a very real effect on the world.

What "they" seem to be deciding is not at all to my taste. Therefore I use people like Alex Jones to help me in my researches. In general he is correct and his links are good - other links corroborate this. Maybe he should slow down a bit and choose a more thoughtful english?

albie
09-15-2010, 04:14 AM
Does it help the conspiracy/awakening movement to lie? That's my point. I looked up his accusation and found it to be a lie.. Who else could look into that accusation and find it a lie and be put off forever?

I started out believing in conspiracy, always did think JFK was a dodgy event. 9/11 had me out there looking for the best chunks of evidence to enhance my view - but I kept being disappointed by conspiracy nuts. Their evidence was not good enough and often easily debunked. Now I kind of flip flop back and forth with each new bit of evidence I come across.

Personally I think 90% of conspiracy nuts are DAMAGING the conspiracy scene. As are you with your story above. You seem to lack the perspective to judge the evidence. You have mistaken your feelings for a subject for your intellectual weighing up of it. YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY SO MUCH THAT ANY EVIDENCE NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT IS BLOWN UP INTO A MOUNTAIN.

Sorry but that mole coming out of the top of your mountain should tell you where you've gone wrong.

"but as this is used routinely as a normal procedure, I can quite well imagine more devious scenarios. Including creative editing of film footage. "

YOU CAN IMAGINE MORE DEVIOUS SCENARIOS.

That word tells you all you need to know. Come back when we aren't looking at stuff in your head. We need FACTS. You need to convince the majority of the public -that's the aim of being a conspiracy theorist. Surely.

We can't show them something in your imagination.

conasatátú
09-15-2010, 08:40 AM
Ok - here is one photo editing job - AMERICAblog News: BP photoshops fake photo of crisis command center, posts on main BP site (http://www.americablog.com/2010/07/bp-photoshops-fake-photo-of-command.html)
here is an article relating to some more - More doctored BP photos surface (http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/world/more-doctored-bp-photos-surface_100400752.html)

If they don't get caught they get away with it - easy.

And exactly what perspective do I lack? I posted a link to some photos that HAD been used by the FBI without the individual's permission. I linked it to no particular story, simply pointed out that this goes on.

So Alex Jones lied and you caught him out - so far, as mentioned, I have found his research to be satisfactory. However I did see Barak Obama declare to the world in his pre presidential speeches that he was going to bring the troops home - he didn't. FACT! Has the fact that Obama lies put anyone off? Well I guess the next election will tell. In my 40 odd years of watching politicians lie almost constantly I have yet to see populations stand up and say "we've had enough"

So how about we attack the liars that are trying to harm us rather than those that are trying to help?


YOU WANT TO BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY SO MUCH THAT ANY EVIDENCE NO MATTER HOW INSIGNIFICANT IS BLOWN UP INTO A MOUNTAIN


As for your enlightening insight as to the state of my mind - I thank you - you obviously have some phenomenal mind reading talents.

albie
09-16-2010, 04:28 AM
>>And exactly what perspective do I lack? I posted a link to some photos that HAD been used by the FBI without the individual's permission. I linked it to no particular story, simply pointed out that this goes on.

Using a photo of someone without there permission is FAR FAR FAR away from catching out the FBI or CIA faking an Osama Bin Laden tape. That's your lack of perspective.

And your BP links seem to be pointing out photos of little significance. Seems to me they have just compiled images into one to get a better image. Like an estate agent might crop out a pylon from a shot of a house he is selling.

Sorry, but this is boring. You are not demonstrating anything sinister.

get me a photo of George Bush spitting blood on a child's face. That's the level we need. This stuff you bring is making me feel there IS no conspiracy going on.

>>So Alex Jones lied and you caught him out - so far, as mentioned, I have found his research to be satisfactory.

If you listen to his show he says the government "now admit they want to poison your water with lithium to make you sterile."

I suppose if I were to ask you what efforts you went into to prove that you could show me?

albie
09-16-2010, 05:09 AM
BTW Jones himself admits he "overstates" his issues. Exaggerates them. When he says "the government now admit" you can be certain that they don't.

Don't forget to buy those Gusset jeans!

horatio13
10-20-2010, 09:15 AM
Here's the thing about Alex Jones.
He blows his "stories" way out of proportion, using persuasive language, and sometimes outright blatant lies. He claims there are "thousands of documents of the government admitting..." yet he does not site ONE source. Out of all of the documents, couldn't he point you to one? How does he verify these claims? He simply tells you that it's "out there, on paper". Not much of a help.
The other thing is this;
He wants your money. He sells DVD's for 20 dollars. Holy shit I can get a feature bluray for 10 dollars made by professionals. If you go to Infowars.com, 65% of the page is advertisements. Listen to his radio show. A commercial every 3 minutes.
When Joe Rogan was on his radio show, he was like "another commercial? are you kidding me? already?" and all Alex replied with was "It's standard radio protocol". Sure Alex Jones, whatever you say. Just take my wallet.
Not to mention his love for the church. But that's another story.

horatio13
10-20-2010, 09:18 AM
i wouldn't trust Alex Jones as far as I could throw him. Trust user generated sites like Club Conspiracy and ATS.

albie
10-21-2010, 03:16 AM
He just had a 'money bomb' which was basically begging for cash, at the same time virtually threatening that his radio show was the only thing between the listener and 1984, and if they didn't cough up they would be in FEMA camps. He's very careful not to overtly say this, but suggests it.

He has this guy selling gold on nearly every day, warning that if you don't buy gold you are f+cked. Something really stinks. Why would this guy be selling gold so cheap if he thought the world was about to go tits up? Surely he would keep it for himself if it so important to get out of fiat currency. When people phone in to ask that very question HE DOES NOT ANSWER IT. He changes the subject.

It's money making, pure and simple. He's Billy Graham. He loves the NWO. He probably wept with joy when 9/11 happened. KERCHING! He pretends to be sad on his show. His acting is awful!

He complains that he only earns a million dollars a year too!

He's also a Christian, which means the thing he wants most to happen is a war in Israel, so jesus can come back. These people WANT the antichrist to rise up. No wonder he exaggerates most of his info.

Let's face it, to get from where we are now to 1984 would take massive events. A dozen 9/11 s on the same day. I trust the public, they wouldn't fall for it on that scale. One 9/11 every fifty years is about all they dare manage.

horatio13
10-21-2010, 09:11 AM
i think we should wage an attack on infowars.com and expose their money hungry scheme

mrcolumbo
10-21-2010, 12:25 PM
Here we have a vid of Alex saying that the CIA admitted to faking the 'fat nosed Osama' tape.

CIA admits faking Osama bin Laden 9/11 confession video ~ Max Keiser and Alex Jones *LINK* (http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=8901)

In fact the CIA admitted to attempting to fake a different video in which Osama was portrayed as being a gay, as shown in this article by the Washington Post.

SpyTalk - CIA unit's wacky idea: Depict Saddam as gay (http://blog.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/05/cia_group_had_wacky_ideas_to_d.html)

Jones started out suggesting that this evidence shows they MAY have faked other Osama tapes and now he's openy lying and saying they have admitted to faking the 'fat nosed Osama tape'.

In actuality there is no evidence of this tape being fake.i wonder what the big shots at headquarters think about this,from things being faked to open lies,what type of government is involved with these kinds of individuals:)

BlueAngel
10-21-2010, 07:30 PM
i wonder what the big shots at headquarters think about this,from things being faked to open lies,what type of government is involved with these kinds of individuals:)

The big shots would be a part of the it.

albie
10-22-2010, 03:52 AM
i wonder what the big shots at headquarters think about this,from things being faked to open lies,what type of government is involved with these kinds of individuals:)

Oh, it stinks, even if Jones has exaggerated the evidence. It still stinks. I suppose most people would agree with what they did or attempted to do, as nobody likes Saddam or Osama. We have no evidence that anyone faked the Osama confession tapes though. That fakery would be a major stink pile.

I guess the kind of government we have are pretty much made up of normal people. I can't think of many people I know who wouldn't have done the same thing if they thought it was for a good cause. Seems all the rare altruistic types don't prosper in government, or stay away from it.

albie
10-22-2010, 03:56 AM
i think we should wage an attack on infowars.com and expose their money hungry scheme

That would now be as difficult as waging a war on a corrupt government. Apparently the website is often under attack though.

mrcolumbo
10-22-2010, 08:16 AM
i still would like to digest more information on this,have any of the so called big shots over at headquarters tried to quash any of these unfounded yet controversial points:)

albie
10-23-2010, 05:40 AM
Recently Jones mentioned that certain parties were constantly badgering him with lawyers about content on his website. But they never go so far as to sue him. He doesn't mention any specifics.

To buy into Jones you have to believe that anyone can be part of the Illuminati. So when some college professor writes an article about eugenics in some journal, in Jones' eye, that's the illuminati pushing their agenda(rather than just some guys opinion). I seriously doubt that anything damning ever came up in an official undisclosed document. In all he doesn't seem to have much but rumour.

He also likes to point out all the nasty side effects of inoculations. You'd be hard pressed to get a figure out of him. That's the point. I've listened to his shows and he cleverly skirts around the figures with word play. We all know there are side effects and some people die. We accept that when we take ANY medicine.

He's very good at selling fear. But maybe he means it. Maybe he's not just making cash. Maybe we should be afraid.

BlueAngel
10-24-2010, 07:22 PM
Oh, it stinks, even if Jones has exaggerated the evidence. It still stinks. I suppose most people would agree with what they did or attempted to do, as nobody likes Saddam or Osama. We have no evidence that anyone faked the Osama confession tapes though. That fakery would be a major stink pile.

I guess the kind of government we have are pretty much made up of normal people. I can't think of many people I know who wouldn't have done the same thing if they thought it was for a good cause. Seems all the rare altruistic types don't prosper in government, or stay away from it.

What the heck are you talking about?

The kind of government we have are made up of normal people?

Huh?

BlueAngel
10-24-2010, 07:27 PM
How 'bout you take your Alex Jones' talk over to the Alex Jones' forum, if he has one, cause, truly, we, here at CC, don't give a hoot about Alex Jones' and what he has to say.

This forum does not exist to facilitate or debunk him.

As far as I'm concerned, there is way TOO MUCH CHATTER on this site about Alex Jones and way TOO MANY threads about him, as well.

No need for anymore.

Stick to the subjects.

Such as 911 and the CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS of the TOWERS.

Thanks,
BA

albie
10-25-2010, 03:49 AM
The vast majority of people working in government (including the secret services) are just normal people. What we don't grasp is that they have responsibilities that we wouldn't begin to understand, and temptations that rarely come our way. I see many criminals amongst the lower classes, amongst the 'normal' folk. When some woman steals cash from the charity she works for we don't straight away see EVERY charity worker as a thief. But if it happens in government we do.

They start out normal but often end up acting very badly.

Like Alex Jones, who seems to think he's the only barrier between us and a fascist take over. Arrogance.

The same arrogance that affects those in power.

BlueAngel
10-26-2010, 10:28 PM
The vast majority of people working in government (including the secret services) are just normal people. What we don't grasp is that they have responsibilities that we wouldn't begin to understand, and temptations that rarely come our way. I see many criminals amongst the lower classes, amongst the 'normal' folk. When some woman steals cash from the charity she works for we don't straight away see EVERY charity worker as a thief. But if it happens in government we do.

They start out normal but often end up acting very badly.

Like Alex Jones, who seems to think he's the only barrier between us and a fascist take over. Arrogance.

The same arrogance that affects those in power.

On this forum, when we refer to people working within the government and being involved in a conspiracy against the people, we are not referring to employees of the government such as the secret police, etc.

We are referring to the Elitists.

The Zionist Jews.

The "rogue" CIA.

The Federal Reserve.

The people behind the curtains.

Cheney, the Military Industrial Complex, the Rothschilds, the British Empire, the Mossad, etc.

The CONGRESS people who have been blackmailed.

Again.

I don't care about Alex Jones and what he thinks.

Period.

Take your obsession with him elsewhere.

albie
10-27-2010, 05:48 AM
This isn't about Jones anymore. It's about how you wish to DEMONISE a chunk of the population because what they do is counter to what you want them to do. Sadly, it is free will that got you here in this position.

Nothing is abnormal. These people are YOU. They are YOU in a different form. if you wish to not be under their thumb then don't get involved in reality. Don't pay your tax. Your tax is being used for evil and to suppress you. Why are you paying for this? Stop paying. You'll have to suffer the consequences, of course, but if enough of you stop paying your taxes then the evil people will topple.

That's the only way. What are you waiting for?

Oh, and you'll also have to become a GOOD person to stop all the negative energy you produce all day feeding the reptiles and Satan(if you believe in all that).

I've given you the answer to your problems. Go on, do it.

Oh, you want someone ELSE to do it? You want the NICE CIA to topple the bad guys? You want someone ELSE to topple Satan? Like God?

Ain't gonna happen, chum.

BlueAngel
10-31-2010, 06:33 PM
This isn't about Jones anymore. It's about how you wish to DEMONISE a chunk of the population because what they do is counter to what you want them to do. Sadly, it is free will that got you here in this position.

Nothing is abnormal. These people are YOU. They are YOU in a different form. if you wish to not be under their thumb then don't get involved in reality. Don't pay your tax. Your tax is being used for evil and to suppress you. Why are you paying for this? Stop paying. You'll have to suffer the consequences, of course, but if enough of you stop paying your taxes then the evil people will topple.

That's the only way. What are you waiting for?

Oh, and you'll also have to become a GOOD person to stop all the negative energy you produce all day feeding the reptiles and Satan(if you believe in all that).

I've given you the answer to your problems. Go on, do it.

Oh, you want someone ELSE to do it? You want the NICE CIA to topple the bad guys? You want someone ELSE to topple Satan? Like God?

Ain't gonna happen, chum.

Your comment doesn't make any sense.