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Jimbo
12-01-2004, 11:23 PM
Besides the shady half-truths of Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9-11” documentary on 911 & Saudi Arabia’s influence in our government, we should have taken notice on his first documentary, another half-truth documentary, when he was taking an anti-gun stance. Anyone who is for “true freedom”, as our forefathers were, knows that gun ownership is a must for a truly free citizenship. Look at Switzerland as an example of “free” citizens with an allegiance to gun-ownership.

“Bowling for Columbine” was another half-truth documentary. It completely missed the Illuminati conspiracy behind it.

Columbine Slaughter Cover-Up
http://www.rense.com/general/colrept.htm

Cover-Up At Columbine Continues
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20020109.shtml

Michael Moore Says Bush Won Fair And Square - Betraying Those That Were Betrayed
http://www.rense.com/general60/gotv.htm

Doctor Explains Odds Of Exit Poll Discrepancies Are 250 Million To 1
http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

A Demonstration On How Easy It Is To Hack The Elections & Not Being Caught
http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm

Unofficial Audit - NC Election Fraud - Are We To 'Die Bald' Trying To Figure This Out
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203 x45003

Vote Fraud Across The Nation - A Conspiracy Rampant Against The Constituency
http://www2.townonline.com/lynnfield/opinion/view.bg?articleid=126111

Vote Theft, More Lies, & More Dishonesty - Vote Scam - VoteFraud Primer
http://www.votefraud.org/primer_archive_articles.html

Another County w More Votes Than Voters - Looks That Vote Fraud Spread Across The USA
http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

rangergord
12-02-2004, 01:48 AM
Please, if your hero lacky idiot won't embrace self distruction you bark.

I have most of those sites bookmarked ... just 'cause the left is po'd doesn't mean this is a right wing thing.

Fabian Socialist Monopoly Capitalists.

.... since you embrace the left .. maybe you prefer ....

Robber Barrons who promote socialism.

--

The game is divide and conquer.

The fact is that old Robber Barron money is being used to create a world socialist state.

Jimbo
12-02-2004, 08:28 AM
I have neither heroes nor idols. I could care less about the right or the left. They are both illusions, and the same beast. Freedom doesn’t have a face, or an angle, or a compromise, & it certainly doesn’t exclude anyone -- at heart. Those that are evil, exclude themselves.

Apparently, we were allowed too much freedom for too long, but that doesn’t justify for true Americans to now quit & join the illusionary winner for a moment limelight.

Yeah, divide & conquer. We’ve heard the rime.

We are not he enemy. The enemy might be amongst us, but we are not it.

I am just making a point. There are many people who have had their eyes slightly opened with recent events. My eyes were always opened. I can see them coming miles away…

rangergord
12-02-2004, 03:08 PM
Your subject line suggested Michael Moore was an important person. Sorry I misunderstood.

thokhanCep
12-17-2004, 01:48 AM
Mike Moore the half truth lead you on a liberal drivel highway of hating guns and anything he doesn't like. Check this out:
http://www.mooreexposed.com/
"Should a 400 lb man advise us on the evils of over-consumption?
Should the resident of a million-dollar apartment claim to be a poster boy of the working class?
Should a person who thought that Enron was a great investment, that Ralph Nader, Wesley Clark and John Kerry would win, and that North Korea's Kim Jong was changing for the better, advise us on ANYTHING?"

http://www.mooreexposed.com/bfc.html
"Bowling is fiction. It makes its points by deceiving and by misleading the viewer. Statements are made which are false. Moore leads the reader to draw inferences which he must have known were wrong. Indeed, even speeches shown on screen are heavily edited, so that sentences are assembled in the speaker's voice, but which were not sentences he uttered. Bowling uses deception as its primary tool of persuasion and effect.

A film which does this may be a commercial success. It may be entertaining. But it is not a documentary. One need only consult Rule 12 of the rules for the Academy Award: a documentary is a non-fictional movie.

The point is not that Bowling is biased. No, the point is that Bowling is deliberately, seriously, and consistently deceptive."

Yes i'd say there are many who think Moore is more or less dishonest and knows no bounds when selling his product:
http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

Born_To_Die
12-17-2004, 07:01 PM
Like Dr. Henry Makow once said, whatever comes

out of the system is made by and for the

system ... Michael Moore is working for

the New World Order and his latest

saying that " Bush won fair and square " on

national TV has got to be his biggest lie

ever. The controlled media made sure they

covered how Michael will save us with his

thousand + cameras pointed at the election

booths ... all along Bush had 3 PRIVATE companies

with CLOSED source software make sure he won

(check it out Diebold is based in Ohio !

www.diebold.com)

Born_To_Die
12-17-2004, 07:03 PM
oh why not go to his site www.michaelmoore.com

and tell him what a son of a bitch he is

via his send a message to Mike link.

I sent him some nasty messages quite a few

times already.

nohope187
12-17-2004, 09:20 PM
Case in point, Mike Moore is a fat, lazy bitch who likes to talk with his foot in is mouth. So, what else is new? :-P

freeman
12-17-2004, 09:29 PM
all along Bush had 3 PRIVATE companies

I lost respect for Michael Moore about two years ago, when I uncovered a post by a blogger on a liberal website. This individual was an aspiring young activist for the Democratic Party who described his awestruck experience at encountering several celebrity activists at a political rally, one of whom was Michael Moore.
According to the blogger, Moore was pleasant, charming, articulate until the young activist mentioned what he had already uncovered about the whole Diebold voting machine monopoly and scandal. All of sudden, Moore was flustered, made with the "deer caught in the headlights" look, quickly himhawed a response along the lines of,"Is that right? Well, we need to look into that..." Then, according to the narrative, Moore beat a hasty departure that wold belie a man of his considerable girth.
After reading that, I never really trusted MM anymore. Prior to that, I had actually considered him to be a gifted polemicist and spokesperson for the left.
Wish I could find that link...

Born_To_Die
12-17-2004, 10:25 PM
That son of a bitch Michael Moore made Bowling

for Columbine to sell Americans on giving

up its Constitutional and God given rights

to defend itself by banning your right to

bear arms ... the first thing they do before

they screw you completely over is make it illegal

to bear arms ... don't fall for that BS ... it

has been proven time and again that the crime

rate goes DOWN with private arms ownership because

the criminals are then scared to do anything.

thokhanCep
12-21-2004, 04:36 PM
That son of a bitch Michael Moore made Bowling for Columbine to sell Americans on giving
up its Constitutional and God given rights
to defend itself by banning your right to
bear arms ... the first thing they do before
they screw you completely over is make it illegal to bear arms ... don't fall for that BS

Here's a good rhyme I give to gun grabbers

Gun registration equals
confrontation
confiscation
rights evaporation
than extermination

nohope187
12-21-2004, 05:01 PM
to include with the gun grabbing ryhme is Disturbed's "Down with the Sickness" :-P

Born_To_Die
12-23-2004, 06:44 AM
freeman wrote:
all along Bush had 3 PRIVATE companies

I lost respect for Michael Moore about two years ago, when I uncovered a post by a blogger on a liberal website. This individual was an aspiring young activist for the Democratic Party who described his awestruck experience at encountering several celebrity activists at a political rally, one of whom was Michael Moore.
According to the blogger, Moore was pleasant, charming, articulate until the young activist mentioned what he had already uncovered about the whole Diebold voting machine monopoly and scandal. All of sudden, Moore was flustered, made with the "deer caught in the headlights" look, quickly himhawed a response along the lines of,"Is that right? Well, we need to look into that..." Then, according to the narrative, Moore beat a hasty departure that wold belie a man of his considerable girth.
After reading that, I never really trusted MM anymore. Prior to that, I had actually considered him to be a gifted polemicist and spokesperson for the left.
Wish I could find that link...


This again proves Dr. Henry Makow correct.

ANYTHING major out of the system is made BY and

FOR the system.

freeman
12-23-2004, 11:21 AM
This again proves Dr. Henry Makow correct.

Yes, that is my take on it.
For years, I observed these little "glitches" and inconsistencies amongst leaders, celebrities, spokespeople and authority figures in general and didn't know what to make of it. Maybe I heard wrong, or I just didn't understand, or the person in question was just having a "bad day"...
Now it all fits perfectly into the puzzle, once you know the secrets of the NWO and Illuminati.

Born_To_Die
12-23-2004, 12:43 PM
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Now it all fits perfectly into the puzzle, once you know the secrets of the NWO and Illuminati.
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I am sure many of the people visting this site

are amazed at how well they can forsee the

main plot lines in most movies coming out

of Hollywood and their real underlying

purposes. Amazing isn't it !

Ozziecynic
12-27-2004, 10:58 PM
So whats the problem with Micheal Moore now!
More reactionary spiel I see!. Micheal Moore was the guy that picked up on the Bush vote fraud the first time round.Yet people in here think he is the enemy for no good reason!.

ANYTHING major out of the system is made BY and

FOR the system.

Re: And let me ask you all something are we all not part of the system to some degree give me one good reason why any of you are not part of the system! Further this site is also part of the system to havent you noticed, it is also hosted by a mainstream webhost set up on the same conventions as many forums just like it.
So that by my reasoning makes it and Henry Makow part of the system. This logic you have of believing you are somehow independent of the system has no ounce of crediability to me.

If you live and work and consume from the mainstream economy sorry to break it to you all all,your very much part of the system.
Further many of you like to believe that you are beyond the left and right paradigm of ideology yet you consistently attack anyone on the left simply because they are on the left even if their content happens to be the kind of high grade expose of Micheal Moores work!.

This is the kind of work that enlightened alot of naive people world wide about the true nature of your GWB and your empire has been upto!
For that i hardly believe he deserves this level of derision and anti leftwing comment!.

Still rather than being beyond left and right many people here seem intent of keeping their right wing bias despite all the idle claims to the contrary, you all appear to be keeping this a very much right vs left wing forum.
Furthermore many of you call anyone the doesnt wish to participate in the system as drop outs and parasites which only proves your all very much part of the system to the point where you attack those that truly arent.How highly hypocritical!

Pliny
12-28-2004, 12:12 AM
Ozziecynic:

Very good post and I hadn't considered posting on this thread until I read it.

People do have a lot of misconceptions, misunderstandings and plainly wrong conceptual understandings of politics.

The problem with Michael Moore is he blames all of Americas' problems on the Republicans, specifically George Bush.

The Democrats have actually held the balance of power in the States for forty years before GWBush came to be President. Even under Reagan and Bush Sr. the Democrats held power in the house and the senate. The President is only one aspect of American political power. The right, I believe, is supported on this thread because it represents controls on government largesse and growth and less taxes. Well, the Republicans haven't really lived up to this, their image, it seems as government grew under all three of the past republican Presidents. Granted the Senate and the House of Representatives were under Democratic control so more than likely all a Republican President could do would to perhaps slow the growth.

The main point here being that smaller less intrusive government is defintely not a trait of the lib-left democrats.

In truth it makes not much difference whether it is Democrat or Republican. It's a shell game.

This last election saw the house and the senate and the presidency go to the republicans. Something that hasn't been seen for quite sometime. Now we will really see what republicans stand for. However, now there is a split between republicans with the invention of the neo-con. Whatever the allegiances or splits or namecalling, the bottom line is nothing is ever resolved. The only perception is throwing more cash at problems in hopes of appeasing a few citizens, partisans and the most powerful lobby groups.

In actual fact most that have posted here should get a copy of the communist manifesto and really understand why it is unworkable. they would be better able to defend their position.

Generally, a socialistic society is a possibility but their are some very necessary requisites for it to be sustainable and I don't believe it could ever be a large social structure without heavy enforcement and we know individuality must be a secondary consideration if at all. It's greatest danger is in the concentration of authority and the temptations for corruption of that authority.

In conclusion Micheal Moores' biggest problem is the maintenance of his angelic image of being Americas' savior and the image seems more important than the message.

Born_To_Die
12-28-2004, 11:28 AM
Ozziecynic wrote:

And let me ask you all something are we all not part of the system to some degree give me one good reason why any of you are not part of the system! Further this site is also part of the system to havent you noticed, it is also hosted by a mainstream webhost set up on the same conventions as many forums just like it.
So that by my reasoning makes it and Henry Makow part of the system. This logic you have of believing you are somehow independent of the system has no ounce of crediability to me.



Ozzie for 1: the "system" did not

give Michael Moore the millions to make and

promote 911 to shoot itself in the foot.

With 911 it achieved its objectives perfectly

by making millions more BELIEVE in the system

and get out the record vote.

2. The ORIGINAL 911 movie was made by Alex

Jones of www.prisonplanet.com and that movie

showed the problem with BOTH political parties

and did not lead you to believe that one party

would save you from the evils of the other.

Jimbo
12-28-2004, 10:57 PM
Ozziecynic, what is your point ?

The “earth” is a system. You are part of that “system”, whether you like it or not.

We have to make a living & pay bills. We are part of that system whether we like it or not.

What contribution have you made to society ?

How can you better our lives ? What "kind" thoughts do you have to offer to our society ? (if any)

Michael Moore, made some good points. Ok. But he "lied," by providing “half-truths” in his documentaries. That is my point. You don’t make a point by “lying” & “pretending” something which is not “true”. You are either “true” or you are not. That’s my point.

What is your point ?
8-)

Born_To_Die
12-29-2004, 04:06 AM
Jimbo wrote:
Ozziecynic, what is your point ?

The “earth” is a system. You are part of that “system”, whether you like it or not.

We have to make a living & pay bills. We are part of that system whether we like it or not.

What contribution have you made to society ?

How can you better our lives ? What "kind" thoughts do you have to offer to our society ? (if any)

Michael Moore, made some good points. Ok. But he "lied," by providing “half-truths” in his documentaries. That is my point. You don’t make a point by “lying” & “pretending” something which is not “true”. You are either “true” or you are not. That’s my point.

What is your point ?
8-)

Jimbo I think Ozzie bought the Michael Moore

lies of guns kill people and should only

be owned by the Government and that the political

system is kosher and your vote actually is

counted by the private CIA companies running

the voting booths with their closed source

software.

Ozziecynic
01-05-2005, 06:19 AM
quote]what is your point ?[/quote]

My point is that some of you claim Micheal Moore is part of the system while somehow believing that you are Not!Well i have news for you are part of the system!


What contribution have you made to society ?

To begin with I dont believe those of us in western nations live in a society.The word society entails some kind of abstract concept of community. This is simply bollocks so far as i am concerned no such Metaphysical society or community exists except for one Big Brother would like us to believe we live in!If you swallow that crap good luck to you!.

We live in a neo liberal economic system in which self interest and individualism determines our motives. Any suggestion that contributions to this system are motivated by anything but self interest is just bollocks so far as Iam concerned.

Secondly I couldnt give dam whether my contribution level is valued for in our present economic system or Not!.
I live to survive and exist for a start and then to find fulfillment and a mission for myself not to contribute to an economic system i dont even believe in or care for.
Most employers are so ungraterful and unethical towards my services anyway!
Personally look foward to the demise of the current system and if you claim to be against the NWO so should you also! :-?