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Thumper
09-09-2005, 10:47 AM
on iidb.org most people are truly convinced that the severing of communication lines by FEMA during the NO disaster and other deliberate sabotage only 'proves how incompetent they are.'

when it comes to the mass illegal invasion, foreign troops violating US constitution, and official declarations from Council on Foreign Relations about a Pan American Union, anyone who pays serious attention to this is slapped down as a racist and should look forward to the 'siestas, margaritas, and the senioritas' http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/ugh2.gif

when Netanyahu is given prior warning to a bomb blast, and you have concurrent drills going on at the same time, they invoke 'coincidence theory'.

when you give the skinny on who benefits from terrorism, they say it makes more sense to believe that the muslims are satanically possessed and will continue to attack the Western world until we have thoroughly destroyed them (any benefits the US might derive from colonizing the Middle East is purely coincidental).

and so on.

As Jesus said (paraphrase), There are none so blind, as those who would not see...

Let's hear your examples of incredible denial and double think :-P :-P :-P

09-09-2005, 12:12 PM
May I answer?

My theory is this and I've stated it before so I won't BORE you with all of the details again.

(I'm trying to cut down on the exclamation marks!!!!)

It is pure denial. Period. End of story.

Why?

Because they have been brainwashed from cradle to grave to believe that America is the best country on the face of the planet.

We can do no wrong.

Everyone else is messed up.

We help other countries, save them from their troubles and brutal dictators. We do not suppress people (NOT)!!!

Our military being used to spread so-called democracy and freedom in the Middle East all the while killing and wounding thousands without legitimate reason is, to them, a proud and noble American act of patriotism.

Especially when they see the FLAG go up!!!

They don't realize that the military's foremost obligation is to protect America from imminent threat of danger and/or enemy invasion.

Not to be used as killing machines for the wealthy elitists who fire up the Military Industrial Complex so they can take-over, install their puppet dictators after their scapegoat has done his job and create depression and sadness among the American people for deep in our subconscious, we must live day to day knowing our men and women are dying and being wounded in a foregin land. We are helpless to make them stop!!

Once the wheels are set in motion, there's no telling where they will go next!

There has been much more inaccurate history available to them for too long. Brainwashing begins young and if they're not subjected to alternative points of view and don't learn in the public school system critical and cognitive thinking abilities, the other "theories" are conspiracies and, like I said, the government's campaign to discredit "conspiracy theorists" as lunatics has worked for the most part.

People who have absolutely no clue about the criminal cabal who controls America, the bankers, etc. and are not suspicious in the least bit about our government will not accept that our leaders are against us and not with us.

The concept is frightening. They block it out. Kind of like a traumatized mind control victim would.

How can they believe that our government will protect us from enemy invasion if they are responsible for decades of domestic and international political assassinations, the drug trade, pornography rings and/or a government "cult" of satanic devil worshippers?

It's too much for the brain to handle. It produces fear.

Who will protect them?? if not their government? Well, I can tell you from experience, they've never protected you!! Everything they've conspired to create is for reason and purpose. We will be a nation housing foreign troops and displaced citizens living as NOMADS!!!

It will be every man for himself!

The invasion has already begun in New Orleans. Wait until the next disaster! Who will we call on then to help us?

They have to reconstruct everything they thought they knew was true and isn't. Their reality becomes fantasy and the truth hurts. Better to remain in denial because it is so deep, so thick and well, most times, incomprehensible.

Powerless to fight against them!!

freeman
09-09-2005, 01:04 PM
These are some of my favorite quotes for explaining this phenomenon, Thumper:

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something
when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
-- Upton Sinclair

Americans like to talk about
(or be told about)Democracy
but,when put to the test,
usually find it to be an
'inconvenience.' We have opted
instead for an authoritarian system
DISGUISED as a Democracy.
We pay through the nose for an
enormous joke-of-a-government,
let it push us around,
and then wonder how all those
assholes got in there.

Communism doesn't work because
it is out of phase with human nature.
Are we going to wake up one day
to find this statement equally true
when applied to the concept
of Western Democracy?

---Frank Zappa


"Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."

--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923

Yes. Blue Angel, you are right. Denial is the default mode for most of the sheeple. They don't want to see the truth, because it gets in the way of their convenient -- and often profitable -- delusions. They are more than happy to be led around by the nose by the New World Order and its media propagandists.
Only when it's too late and they are the victims themselves, like Rev. Martin Niemoller's testimony at the Nuremburg war trials, will they realize their mistake. But then it will be too late.
We must accept that this is how it will be, foretold in scripture and preordained by greater powers than our own.
It is still our obligation to inform as many as will listen, but personally, I don't keep beating a dead horse. Even Jesus said to stomp the dust off your feet and move on when you encounter an unreceptive audience.
I have been rejected as a tinfoil nutjob by family members, friends and total strangers for presenting the truth in all of its irrefutable logic about this evil conspiracy. And if I were to be candid, there was a time when I would have reacted the same way to anyone trying to enlighten me as to who really runs the world. There comes a point when you simply have to accept that you have done all that you can do, and it is in God's hands from there.
No one can be saved who doesn't want to be.

this
09-09-2005, 01:34 PM
I find this a really important topic. Sort of - Identify the psychosis. As Freeman says you can't help those who don't want to be helped, and as BA says it is denial. Coming from fear.

The phrase "I can't believe.." comes up a lot.

"If ______ was the case, that would mean ____, and I CAN'T BELIEVE that's really going on"

As if a person's belief projects forward a reality that allows their world to survive. Is this like a child who closes his eyes so nobody can see him?

Many of us are operating on general assumptions of goodwill among society. For many, they need to think positively in order to maintain their sanity.

nohope187
09-09-2005, 03:20 PM
I think it's kinda funny how people say they love democracy when they don't even really know what it is. They always get the deer in the headlights look, when I'd try to explain the difference between a constitutional republic and democracy.

nohope187
09-09-2005, 03:23 PM
As long as the sheeple are preoccupied with sports and hollywood and have their creature comforts, they will always be blind and deaf.

Shannow
09-09-2005, 03:45 PM
The one that I see repeated time and time again, on the 'net, and with my circle of peers is that the war was necessary as Saddam was refusing to let U.N. weapons inspectors in.

When you show them evidence that the inspectors WERE back, and were withdrawn from Iraq because the U.S. were about to start bombing, they go quiet.

Then repeat the same lines the next day, refusing to absorb the truth.

nohope187
09-09-2005, 03:50 PM
Shannow wrote:
The one that I see repeated time and time again, on the 'net, and with my circle of peers is that the war was necessary as Saddam was refusing to let U.N. weapons inspectors in.

When you show them evidence that the inspectors WERE back, and were withdrawn from Iraq because the U.S. were about to start bombing, they go quiet.

Then repeat the same lines the next day, refusing to absorb the truth.There's always neocon talk radio sayin' the same thing, parroting the Saddam/mass graves of own people/real bad guy line when they purposely fail to mention he's employed by the CIA.

freeman
09-09-2005, 04:29 PM
Many of us are operating on general assumptions of goodwill among society. For many, they need to think positively in order to maintain their sanity.

Reminds me of another great quote:

“Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honor virtue and courage mean everything; that money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. That true love never dies. Doesn’t matter if they’re true or not. A man should believe in those things anyway. Because they are the things worth believing.”
-- Hubb McCann,Secondhand Lions.

Obviously, there is a sort of nobility in that kind of thinking, as long as it doesn't completely obscure reality.
Maybe Buckminister Fuller said it best:

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
-- Buckminster Fuller

The existing reality for us is that most of the sheeple cannot accept reality; therefore we must forge ahead with the implicit understanding that they will soon be obsolete.

nohope187
09-09-2005, 05:09 PM
"usefull idiots are only usefull to a point." - Shit, I don't know who said that. :-P

Thumper
09-09-2005, 06:08 PM
this wrote:
I find this a really important topic. Sort of - Identify the psychosis. As Freeman says you can't help those who don't want to be helped, and as BA says it is denial. Coming from fear.

The phrase "I can't believe.." comes up a lot.

"If ______ was the case, that would mean ____, and I CAN'T BELIEVE that's really going on"

As if a person's belief projects forward a reality that allows their world to survive. Is this like a child who closes his eyes so nobody can see him?LOL

My favorite non-sequitor is, "if this was true, there would be no way to hide it."

Me: "Just look at the all the evidence of 9/11 and foreknowledge."

Critic: "Well people who were trying to run the world would never be THAT stupid to drop clues like that, therefore it CAN'T be true."

back to square one!!!

nohope187
09-09-2005, 06:23 PM
I hear this one all the time: "How dare you criticize the war in Iraq you unpatriotic sack of shit! Don't you know our soldiers are fighting for your freedom?" :-P

nohope187
09-09-2005, 06:27 PM
Here's another one from the pastor at the corporate/State church I attend: "May God condemn those who slander our President." Fuckin jackass. :-P

Max
09-09-2005, 06:29 PM
Best for me is I had flat out convinced someone that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives but they insist that it was for good reasons despite the claim that it was fire and the massive FEMA investigation and that it had to of been pre-wired. Yep- all this but no, our government isn't corrupt. ??? I was stunned.

nohope187
09-09-2005, 06:32 PM
Ya know, even if you were to give them a swift kick to the family jewels or a punch in the nose, they still wouldn't understand. They would just fight back. It happened to me before. :-P

Thumper
09-09-2005, 06:37 PM
Max wrote:
Best for me is I had flat out convinced someone that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives but they insist that it was for good reasons despite the claim that it was fire and the massive FEMA investigation and that it had to of been pre-wired. Yep- all this but no, our government isn't corrupt. ??? I was stunned.What 'good reason' is there to bring down a building and then lying about it later????

nohope187
09-09-2005, 06:42 PM
Another good one is that woman-I forget her name-Bush used to counter Cindy Sheehan. She was all over neocon talk radio and said somethin' along the lines of that she's proud of her two kids in Iraq fighting for our freedom and that if they came home in caskets, she would continue to believe they died honorably building democracy in Iraq.

Thumper
09-09-2005, 09:47 PM
Here is someone who wants to dispute the gun confiscation operation going on, the mod no less, and arguing/contradicting himself with the eloquence of drunk swallowing his own puke.

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Yes. Let's try this again.

As I said in my previous post, I understand that the article says that police have started confiscating guns.

What it does not say is that "in middle-class neighborhoods undamaged by floodwaters paramilitary police are going door-to-door demanding citizens’ firearms."

Do you honestly not see the difference?

http://pichold.com/Images/Smilies/pat.gif

http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=136707

freeman
09-10-2005, 06:02 AM
What it does not say is that "in middle-class neighborhoods undamaged by floodwaters paramilitary police are going door-to-door demanding citizens’ firearms."

Do you honestly not see the difference?

Yeah, I've already had people tell me that it was okay because there is no electricity, water or sewerage, so those people must be removed "for their own good".
Then when you ask them why it has been okay to occupy Iraq under the same conditons for two years while we "give them deomcracy", they just look flustered and turn away.