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truebeliever
02-07-2005, 06:38 AM
The internet continue's to buzz...

War with Iran.

War with China.

War with Syria.

War with North Korea.

War with New Zealand...

...yes, if they keep embarrassing Israel. You see, it takes a nation of sheep lovers to cast out the wolf. Australia following? Well, Johnny is good for something after all.

I am no military expert but I've read a Commando Comic and Tom Clancy novel or two in my time so, I'm going to share some basic military knowledge with you.

I wish, how I wish it shuts up the Net talk of war.

Firstly, the U.S military does not have the logistical resources to attack and occupy Iran.

That is a simple and REALLY REALLY obvious F-A-C-T.

The fact that this F-A-C-T continues to be basically ignored by the entire world media (barring very few exceptions) tells me something about all this war talk...it's all...talk.

War with China? China invading Taiwan? Firstly, the invasion of Taiwan by China would turn very quickly into what Thomas Barnett describes as the "Million Man Swim".

I urge you if you can, to get a hold of "The Pentagons New Map" by Thomas Barnett. It's a DVD over 2 hous long and you will be amazed at what you hear.

It's a lecture aimed at Pentagon middle managers so you will actually hear the truth much like the Wall Street Journal who obviously have to tell the truth to it's readers...they run the planet.

Thats what I love about the NWO and all it's hangers on. It's an elephant roaming around apparently invisible to the majority...right there in plain site.

Think tanks, discussion papers, Journal articles, all detailing how the NWO is going to lock you down and it's all there for you to read...if you can be bothered.

I digress...

There are many scenario's to what may unfold in the M.E. With the net now abuzz with every NWO turn you would be a brave man (or woman) to confidently predict an exact unfolding.

My scenario is a simple arial bombing campaign of Iran, between both Israel and the U.S. Perhaps they will be bothered setting up an excuse but I doubt it. They will probably just do it. The Muzzies will be even more stirred up...all the better.

Perhaps a more sinsiter plot will involve a itchy trigger fingered Israel dropping a few cherries on Iran and then a staged chemical/biological/nuclear retaliation by Iran run by western covert ops.

Lots of U.S casualties on the ground in Iraq. Or, maybe (even better) lots of Israeli casualties in Israel and then with a cry... "no more holocausts for the Jews", the Jews will visit one on the Iranians.

A U.S retaliation with new tactical nukes on various targets of oppurtunity may be it. Besides nuke sites they will probably do over the Iranians water supply, power grid and and primary schools which may be harbouring WMD...just to keep everyone in line.

Irans economy has it's difficulties but it is quite independent. Hence another lesson to be taught...no independent development.

I seriously doubt a U.S based terror attack of great size.

Too many people in the Intelligence and security services would revolt. They and their families have to live there. Better to have great casualties overseas.


The main perpose of these wars is as it always has been...centralise power/distract the peasants.

Talk is even enough. It works for the U.S Elites and it works for the Chinese Elites. The U.S rampage also works for Europe as European peasants wag their fingers at those trigger happy Americans.

I dont doubt the many mouths at the carcass all with a particular hunger to fill...keeping the restless peasants busy while a nice population reduction is organised is the end game.

I urge the reader to watch "Wag The Dog". Never was this story more true.

I also urge you to read or re-read Goerge Orwell (Eric Blair) "1984". Truly a classic. An absoloute classic.

Forget oil, forget money...keeping you occupied is the main game...then hopefully dead.

marypopinz
02-07-2005, 07:53 AM
Great post!

The NWO is on a hard sale. No soft sale here folks. You must buy!

Rome comes to my mind.

Well before I started reading this NWO stuff, back in November, I have had visions of North America being a platform for civil war through increasing racial tensions. I have learned in life that multiculturalism is a facade for racism here in Canada and is set up to isolate, demonize and exterminate - a Nazi philosophy.

I think they are currently having a hard time feeding and supplying the troops they presently have deployed in Iraq. I do not believe that America will tolerate a draft. That's when I think real civil war will become very plausible. In most countries that have undergone civil war, the destructive nature and violence of teens is often a very good marker for upcoming major civil unrest. Doesn't look good for North America.

I believe Swissair 111 was downed as a precursor and pre-advertising to 911. I also believe that they will stage another show to sell us folks into the NWO... I have a funny feeling it will be in Canada where we are supposedly the peace keepers of the world with the UN bullshit and all. If the peace-loving Canadians were attacked, would the world not respond? See where I believe they are going with this - for the long run.

Do they have the skills? Not enough.
Do they have the brain power? They tell too many lies.
Do they have the technology? YES. Scary.

I had a most interesting Sunday chat with a drug dealer, by chance. Both his dad and himself and me concur on this one premise.

The world is being run by a bunch of senile old fucks who are just about ready to die and then the whole world is gonna change. They are a dying breed of evil.

Too bad - so sad.

They want us to war when we just want to live.

Will this civil war come to pass? I believe it will be scary times in about four more years - when they remove the social net from society... you know that they are going to fell her.

Things do not bode well for the U.S. with Bush privatising - giving his friends a blank cheque from the S.S. funds - social security. I have good evidence to believe that Canada will be quick to follow suit.

For a while to come - the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. The chasm will deepen.

I believe Martial law may be an upcoming temporary problem if they can spark up society towards civil war. If they can sell the public this WAR WAR WAR advertising. They are placing war on the mind just as they did sex through advertising and socialengineering. What will this create in the mind of society - a society that wars with itself.

Another bad sign will be the further lowering of the age of consent for sexual relations. I can see that one coming pretty quickly too. Rome is collapsing.

What gives me hope? Too many good people know too much and are no longer willing to stand by and do nothing. They are telling more and more people the truth. I believe I have given many here a very sound understanding of Nova Scotian corrupt politics and her evil ways. Canada is collapsing as we speak and the tide is turning on a community level. Halifax is a shining example of corruption. Also, their are many here who would seek to change that corruption into honesty.

Back in the 1600's, a man named Joseph Howe went into Province House, where I have been banned from twice for speaking the truth... he went into the library and read the corrupt politicians their fortune for 6 hours. After his most enlightening speech - the guard changed for a while... and now we are back to more and more of the self-same dirty sewage called political corruption.

What gives me hope? This system must collapse so a new one may rise - the New World Order? The devil is gonna rule the world? I just cannot see it happening. The earth is God's creation for his creation - humanity. This was not meant to be the devil's playground. It just doesn't make rational sense to me.

The world is living a lie and sooner or later, every man must face the lies within his own life, in order to deal with the lie that is the devil.

Think of it as a conversion challenge. There is a warring demon they's like to place into the minds of all - his name is Lucifer/a.k.a.Satan/a.d.a. the Devil. He believes himself the god of destruction and he can very well be a very destructive influence in the lives of humanity.

This is spiritual warfare folks. What demons do you carry and how do they influence your perceptions thereby altering your reality and your future? To forgive is divine to oneself. Compassion should be the ultimate human goal. Sensing your fellow man; his joy, his happiness, his sorrow - his heart.

Isn't that what parents are supposed to be for their children? Compassionate - sensing their needs.

They are betting on you believing that the devil will win - hence the WAR WAR WAR advertising into your minds. The message they are selling into the mind of society is telling you to think war.

God has sent and continues to send a message of hope and peace. You can find it in love and compassion anywhere on the planet. There is always a hope for peace as sure as the truth always comes to light, the sun always rises, and the Grace of God exists - I believe.

Mary XXX

truebeliever
02-07-2005, 09:26 AM
Thats the point Mary. We cant lose. Simple time. Simple changing of the gaurd. It's the Age Of Aquarius baby!

These sick so and so's are at the last gasp. Thats what scares me. It's all or nothing.

The "New Jeruselum". Kingdom Of God is inevitable.

We must only ask..."how many have/will die before it manifests".

Through all the doom and gloom I'm optimistic.

They will back down. Absoloutly.

Once the point of optimal frustration is reached the sleeping giant that is the suspicious middle class that cant quite put there finger on it will wake up.

Of course I can afford to be optimistic. I live in the safest place on Earth. My biggest worry is whether my fish is well cooked at my favourite restaurant down in Scarborough.

I pity the M.E.

I pity North America, who will maybe have to physically fight in a civil type war or at least an internal blood bath.

Europe has sold out. They are enjoying there benevolent socialist ankle chains.

Australians are still surfing.

Time will tell.

Get some sleep woman. :-o

alumbrado
02-07-2005, 07:08 PM
What if you're all wrong? :-?

Just asking.

marypopinz
02-07-2005, 08:29 PM
What if we are right?

Is the glass half empty or is it half full?

Pessimism vs. optimism

Hope vs. despair

I know my choices! Do you?

Mary XXX
I love J.C.!

madkhao
02-07-2005, 11:42 PM
You will be hearing of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not frightened for those things must take place but the end is not yet. Matthew 24:6

There will be no peace for 2005 - a prediction I stumbled upon not of my own

truebeliever
02-09-2005, 01:11 AM
It's normal to vacillate betwwen optimism and pessimism.

I have no sole claims to the truth.

I know alot about the military, it's capabilities and it's foibles.

I know alot about power.

I am also careful not to tilt at windmills...Goerge Bush is human. So is Lord Rothschild.

God works in mysterious ways.

The human spirit can never be crushed...NEVER.

They know this. They had a go. They lost.

Thank God for the internet. Without it they could have easily pulled it off.

If we must ask things like..."why does'nt God do something"? God did. He gave the human race the internet.

Though not out of the woods yet I have a sneaking suspicion they will be winding down the NWO program.

Here in Oz there are obvious signs of a backlash to the U.N, banking and social interference by Elites. I hope it's true in other countries.

It may take 100 years to totally usher in a stable and prosperous planet for all.

It wont happen overnight but it will happen.

All around ne I see people waking up.

One way they like to control is to make you feel alone. Believe me you ar'nt.

It's normal to feel discouraged. You're probably watching the mainstream press which is only going to give you what they want to hear and even some progressive web sites seem to be getting their rocks off talking about Bush and his endless war machine.

In the end do you believe in God? Do you believe that deep inside their is something that at times seems to push you in the right direction?

Whatever transpires these next few years, those that truly have faith will be protected. Those that are willing to wait for, and listen for signs will heed them.

Thanks Mad...i forgot about that simple line from the bible. Never truer than right now.

Whatever happens...life goes on. We will only see the end of a way of life, not the end of it.

I have utter and total faith the human race is waking up...thats why they started this in the first place.

Dont feel guilty about enjoying yourself. Even in troubled times. The answers will come. The helper will come.

Genuine best to all.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 02:36 PM
In "1984", Winston Smith mentioned something about,"The power is with the proles. If only they'd wake up and shake big brother off of them like a horses tail brushes off flies." Assuming you read the story True, you know the proles never did wake up and Winston learned to love Big Brother. It's interesting how people who stand up to the State these days disappear. Kinda odd, eh? :-P

nohope187
02-13-2005, 02:40 PM
Oh, and about the movie,"Wag the dog", It's an excellent movie and the tail still wags the dog today. I'm not sure the dog will ever gain control of his own tail anytime soon with as many blind worshipers of the State that exist today. 8-)

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 07:35 PM
I'm not so sure NH.

Time will tell.

In some ways I hope they bring it on quick. Lets get it over with.

The chaos they cause will be their own undoing.

The sooner it heats up the sooner people will be out of their comfort zone and in the streets.

nohope187
02-13-2005, 07:50 PM
incrementalism is the best tool they have and so far, it works fucking great. Think of the frog being brought to a boil slowly. :-P

Draken
02-16-2005, 08:19 AM
nohope187 wrote:
In "1984", Winston Smith mentioned something about,"The power is with the proles. If only they'd wake up and shake big brother off of them like a horses tail brushes off flies." Assuming you read the story True, you know the proles never did wake up and Winston learned to love Big Brother. It's interesting how people who stand up to the State these days disappear. Kinda odd, eh? :-P

I'm afraid I have to agree with nohope on the relevance of the above quote.
I'm still no pessimist though: I think if the "proles" don't wake up to revolt then the elites are eventually going to cause Armageddon and out of the ashes will humanity rise, in the image of God as it was originally intended, in unity with the Spirit.

The question and the monumental, CRUCIAL task ahead for humankind is to realize the threat to her Soul and the following SPIRITUAL battle ahead. The world as we know it is coming to an end but we have to save our Souls so that we may experience the Truth, Beauty and Love of that coming transcendent Reality.

Ozziecynic
02-17-2005, 05:38 AM
TrueBullshit: :roll::lol:
The U.S may not have the resources to attempt the invasion of Iran, or any other pariah nations, but they will attempt it anyway becasue it is part of their grand strategic Neo con plan for the mideast.
Its all outlined in the neocon guidebook " A Project For A New American Century" about toppling all mideast regimes.Iraq is just the first among many when they are finished with it they will turn on political dissidents in their own country Howard and Blair will attempt the same in their respective countries!

I wish, how I wish it shuts up the Net talk of war.


Why TB?. Are you such pro zion lover that you would like nothing better than the Goy to stay asleep!


Firstly, the U.S military does not have the logistical resources to attack and occupy Iran.

Facts TB Where are they where to do you source them from?.

That is a simple and REALLY REALLY obvious F-A-C-T.
No Tb just your opinion Not Fact!.

The fact that this F-A-C-T continues to be basically ignored by the entire world media (barring very few exceptions) tells me something about all this war talk...it's all...talk.

Really i havent heard of the mainstream Media in Australia talking up any such thing.Only certain documentaries on ABC SBS not the commerical stations!.What could they gain from giving away U.S secrets!.

War with China? China invading Taiwan? Firstly, the invasion of Taiwan by China would turn very quickly into what Thomas Barnett describes as the "Million Man Swim".

Doesnt mean that it wont occur!

I urge you if you can, to get a hold of "The Pentagons New Map" by Thomas Barnett. It's a DVD over 2 hous long and you will be amazed at what you hear.

Another neo con stooge i have checked that info it is bogus necon trash!.

It's a lecture aimed at Pentagon middle managers so you will actually hear the truth much like the Wall Street Journal who obviously have to tell the truth to it's readers...they run the planet.

NWO consipracies sites are fine until it they hijacked by disifno ziogandist like TB.


There are many scenario's to what may unfold in the M.E. With the net now abuzz with every NWO turn you would be a brave man (or woman) to confidently predict an exact unfolding.

Well the only reason you dont who is correct is because you are confused yourself TB. Not because others here are wrong!.

My scenario is a simple arial bombing campaign of Iran, between both Israel and the U.S. Perhaps they will be bothered setting up an excuse but I doubt it. They will probably just do it. The Muzzies will be even more stirred up...all the better.

Doesnt matter how they do it the point is they will do whatever it takes to dominate the Pariah states!


Perhaps a more sinsiter plot will involve a itchy trigger fingered Israel dropping a few cherries on Iran and then a staged chemical/biological/nuclear retaliation by Iran run by western covert ops.

Possible but then so is land invasion just as plauseable!

Lots of U.S casualties on the ground in Iraq. Or, maybe (even better) lots of Israeli casualties in Israel and then with a cry... "no more holocausts for the Jews", the Jews will visit one on the Iranians.

Show your jew credentials again TB.Why do you wish for the YIDS to avoid their punishment!.
The only reason could be your heart crying out for mother zion!. :-( :lol:

The main perpose of these wars is as it always has been...centralise power/distract the peasants.

No the main purpose of the war on Terror is to wipe out all independent ideologies and religions that oppose U.S hegemony in the Globe. They cannot have their one world state until all pariah states are brought to heal that seriously oppose the U.S.
In the process they are also given the oppertunity to save and give Isreal dominance in the Middle east!.


I dont doubt the many mouths at the carcass all with a particular hunger to fill...keeping the restless peasants busy while a nice population reduction is organised is the end game.

Only agreement so far.

Forget oil, forget money...keeping you occupied is the main game...then hopefully dead.

Crap TB youve obviously never heard of the book "Project for an American Century" I have read extracts which prove exactly what the present neocon junta has in mind and it is nothing so simple as just keeping people occupied its blue print for controlling the whole world under U.S dominance! :-?

I wish, how I wish it shuts up the Net talk of war.

If I am correct in few weeks or months time and you are wrong wont all this spiel look like such a wank! :roll:

Draken
02-17-2005, 07:39 AM
Ozziecynic, what is this total hate campaign towards truebeliever? Give it a rest and try to see things from a different perspective.

I think the point TB is trying to make is that he's tired of all the talk of war no matter where it comes from. We can't do anything about stopping it from happening in the end. It doesn't matter how much we try to forsee what their plans are or how much we think we know of their strategies. It's all useless in the end, UNLESS you realise that focussing on this futile game of guesses doesn't lead to the salvation of your Soul. IF you take a step back and try to see the whole picture from above, you'll realise you've been putting your energy on trying to forsee something you can't influence which is a distraction in itself from the absolutely essential, which is our Souls.

I've had this growing suspicion that the spreading of negative, destructive news worldwide is blunting our senses, desensitizing us to violence, terror, shock, destruction and unfathomable human suffering, which in turn slowly destroys our gift of empathy for our fellow man. I think THAT is the agenda for spreading horrible images of catastrophies - natural and man-made - wars, famines, destruction and suffering worldwide through the mass media.

This morbid fascination with, and compulsion for death and destruction which is forced on us is lethal for our Souls.

To want and yearn to do something positive, something GOOD for the benefit of our fellow man doesn't have to mean that you're not aware of what's going on around the globe. But out of this horrible state of being you have to come out and say, "I know horrible things are happening in the world. Now I want to focus on the GOOD things happening in the world."
And the only thing we CAN do is to take care of OURSELVES and our Divine Souls given to us by God.

We have to break the addiction to news about death; the fascination with destruction; the futile guesswork of where the next Neocon war is going to be staged.

There's not much time - the world might blow up tomorrow.

What have you done to nurture and refine your Divine Soul?

marypopinz
02-17-2005, 07:55 AM
Nicely said.

nohope187
02-17-2005, 05:23 PM
considering all things FUBAR'ed and totally NWO, OC's right about Amerikan PNAC plans. It's the perpetual war for perpetual peace, ie- police state abject tyranny. This is the right side of the dialectical operation the elitists follow as the left side is through the UN disarming every nation while disolving their sovereignty. If one fails, the other is there to take its place, and the global elitist goal of NWO is still reached.
So, this is what it looks like from us common folk: Amerika- War, war, but it's all for peace .
UN- Peace, peace, and still no peace.
End result is still the same.
:-P

Ozziecynic
02-19-2005, 08:28 AM
Draken:
Ozziecynic, what is this total hate campaign towards truebeliever? Give it a rest and try to see things from a different perspective.
Why Dont you mind your own business.TB is more than capable of defending himself he has also thrown more than enough insults my way so I am entitled to give him a hardtime because we are not on the same side here and something tells me you arent either!.

It's all useless in the end, UNLESS you realise that focussing on this futile game of guesses doesn't lead to the salvation of your Soul.What have you done to nurture and refine your Divine Soul?

:-? Well Draken to begin with you are drifting off the topic of the thread into your own metaphysical universe again.:roll:We are suppose to be speaking of U.S foreign policy and geo political strategy and you keep drifting off into suedo religious subject matter get a grip on the topic at hand sir.

Why do you insist on lecturing me about Religious based subject matter!Basically you sound superficial and sincere!. If I want your views on this side of things i will ask you for it!
As matter of fact posting in forums like this one is very cathartic for my rightcous indignation at what is going on under the powers that be!.

By posting my arguments on here it helps to get this stuff off my chest because I am really not happy with, Post Modern society, NWO, Globalisation, whatever you wish to call so it does a great deal to nurture my devine soul by being a personal agent of Truth as I see it!. 8-)

Draken
02-19-2005, 08:45 AM
I've said it before: I'm on your side. But I suppose it doesn't register. You are so defensive! Don't you understand that I don't want to harm you? Can't you let your guard down and trust that no one can hurt you?

My point I suppose is that I've reached a point where I want all this talk on this forum to destill into something tangible, some Truth we can take with us when we leave.

But you want to discuss details and I want to see the big picture. Fine. Let's stay out of eachother's way. Agreed?

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 07:29 AM
Wow! Forgot all about this thread.

Just as I was thinking..."Whatever happened to that idiot Ozzie Cynic"?

Well O.C...i can tell now that it's simply about you being right and me being wrong. You want to be right. So you read and read and read and then say to me "I'VE READ THE PNAC DOCUMENT AND BLAH BLAH BLAH".

Let me tell ya sonny. I read the PENAC document before most as I troll the think tank and Pentagon.... .mil sites regularly.

Nothing amuses me more then some "cut & paster", "internet parrot" who cant think up an original thought himself.

You are the original "intellectual parrot" who reads purely for self defense.

You are EXACTLY of the same mold as the man you are supposed to despise the most...Adolph Hitler. Hitler was the defensive intellectual par excellance...using knowledge of this and that purely to win an argument and feel better about himself.

You are not interested in the truth...only in being right, from where you can feel a semblence of intellectual superiority for a few minutes.

You are stuck back where I was a few years ago in the old left/right paradigm that good old Alex Jones writes so well about.

You quote the same old lefty analysis crap that goes round and round this net every 5 minutes.

Try some analysing for your self by reading more widely and getting to know people.

I often come up with good tit bits of personal information because I am a friendly and generally optimistic person who befriends people easily.

You are a 'cynic'. You are in exactly in the same frame of mind as the far right corporate world, filled with hate for people though you say you fight for them.

Below your endless spittle is a very insecure individual. VERY insecure.

If ever you want to go toe to toe on the issues please let me know. I'll give you a thorough analysis on the capabilities of the U.S armed forces as opposed to the endless talk.

Knowing military people in the front line, I'll be glad to pass on unclassified info as too why the threats to Iran of an invasion are regarded as a joke by those who actually do the invading.

Of course you'd know more than me with all the net surfing and reading you do.

Please give me an original analysis besides the disinfo PENAC document...made open to the public so many years ago for all to see and fall for.

I hope you return in a couple of months to see who's been talking all the 'wank'.

Looking forward to it.

Actually I take that back. Thats like challenging a child. I just re-read your spittle.

Jesus man. Get to a therapist as soon as you can.

bambam
03-04-2005, 02:43 PM
Firstly, the U.S military does not have the logistical resources to attack and occupy Iran.

The U.S. military budget request for Fiscal Year 2005 is $420.7 billion
For Fiscal Year 2004 it was $399.1 billion.
For Fiscal Year 2003 it was $396.1 billion.
For Fiscal Year 2002 it was $343.2 billion.
For Fiscal Year 2001 it was $305 billion. And Congress had increased that budget request to $310 billion.
This was up from approximately $288.8 billion, in 2000.

Global priorities in spending in 1998.
<table style="border: 1px dotted gray">
<tr><td><b>Global Priority</b></td><td><b>$U.S. Billions</b></td></tr>
<tr style="color: #4b5"><td>Basic education for everyone in the world</td><td>6</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Cosmetics in the United States</td><td>8</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #4b5"><td>Water and sanitation for everyone in the world</td><td>9</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Ice cream in Europe</td><td>11</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #4b5"><td>Reproductive health for all women in the world</td><td>12</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Perfumes in Europe and the United States</td><td>12</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #4b5"><td>Basic health and nutrition for everyone in the world</td><td>13</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Pet foods in Europe and the United States</td><td>17</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Business entertainment in Japan</td><td>35</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Cigarettes in Europe</td><td>50</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Alcoholic drinks in Europe</td><td>105</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Narcotics drugs in the world</td><td>400</td></tr>
<tr style="color: #f12"><td>Military spending in the world</td><td>780</td></tr>
</table>
<a href="http://www.globalissues.org/Geopolitics/ArmsTrade/Spending.asp">source</a>



<div style="border: 1px dashed black; background-color: #eee; width: 90%; padding: 10px">
More than 800 million people in the world go hungry.

In developing countries, 6 million children die each year, mostly from hunger-related causes.

In the United States, 13 million children live in households where people have to skip meals or eat less to make ends meet. That means one in ten households in the U.S. are living with hunger or are at risk of hunger.

The United Nations Development Program estimates that the basic health and nutrition needs of the world's poorest people could be met for an additional $13 billion a year. Animal lovers in the United States and Europe spend more than that on pet food each year.

<a href="http://www.bread.org/hungerbasics/">source</a>
</div>

<div style="border: 1px dashed black; background-color: #eee; width: 90%; padding: 10px">On the door of 21st century, the wars and violence around the world don't stop taking the children's homes, parents, health, lives, childhoods and dreams away. In the last decade nearly 3 million children died, millions wounded and lost arms, legs or eyes to landmines. Every one of 200 children, more than 10 million are effected from the wars psychologically. The children who suffered from the wars raise suffering generations. As the victims of wars; being used as child soldiers, mixing landmines with toys, living in refugee camps they are growing up as wounded souls.

<a href="http://www.worlddreamspeacebridge.org/aidforchildren.htm">source</a>
</div>

<div style="background-color: #B78; padding: 8px;"><b>We spend $1.500+ Billions for weapons, drugs, alcohol, cigars.. (porno industry and so on not mentioned) each year, but we cannot beat hunger. </b></div>

<b>This !!!</b> This is the world we live in.

<b>And what we do about it?</b>
- We want a new fast car.
- We want a big nice house.
- We dream for more money to get a better life.
- we lie to get a beautiful girl laid.
- We go to parties smoke, get drunk and dream of sex.
- We are sorry about the poor children in Africa, but we have more important things to do, more parties to go to, more fun to get (because we say: <b>damn, life is short</b>)

NWO rules over us... because of us...

as one particular signature says:
we met the enemy - it is us

marypopinz
03-04-2005, 04:36 PM
Bambam, that was brilliance.

Never more clearly sated have I read the state of the world insuch concise terms. It's all about our individual priorities.

What we tolerate... is what they enforce

So sad and so wrong and so un-necessary.

It would take so little to turn this game around in comparison to waht we spend on turning it into turmoil to benefit the so very few.

When they crash the market, it's the greedy who will feel it most and suffer greatly. Those folks in debt who think they need into debt and like to gamble stocks.

Thank God I have healthy children. I could not imagine witnessing my own child suffer hunger or see their limbs blown from their little bodies. I have met second generation tarumatised Kosovan's.I'm grateful to be in Canada, not Palestine or Iraq or any other war torn nation. For that I am blessed and I say Yay God!

DaddyLongLeg
03-04-2005, 08:01 PM
There is a war going on between Syria and Israel-USA, but it is a different type of war. It’s not the type of war we saw in Iraq.

Look at the chain of events that have recently occurred concerning Beirut and Syria.

September 2004 – Syrian Government withdraws 18,000 troops from Beirut. Bases are dismantled and the troops moved out in convoys. The report did not say where the troops were headed, but the Move was praised by the then Secretary of State, Colin Powell.

February 14 2005 - Syrian Government is blamed for the Valentine’s Day assassination of Rafik Hariri.

February 15 2005 – Secretary of State Rice recalls US ambassador to Syria

February 26 2005 – Israeli Defense Minister blames Syria and the Palestinian militant group based there for the bombing outside a Tel Aviv nightclub.

February 28 2005 – The pro-Syrian Lebanese government resigns leaving a political vacuum in Lebanon

March 4 2005 – Putin calls for, and Bush demands a full withdrawal of Syrian forces and agents from Lebanon, while Lebanese opposition government insist on no talks to reform government until a full withdrawal is implemented.


The first obvious move against Syria was the assassination of Rafik Harir. To claim that the Syrian government was responsible for this attack is nonsense. Why would Syria want to cause such a stream of opposition against itself when it has much economic and political interest in that country? The move can only be seen as suicidal to Syrian interests.

To understand who killed Rafik Hariri, you must first look at who stands to gain from it, and obviously it isn’t Syria! My view is that Israel and the United States are the only parties who will gain something from Hariri’s murder. The result can be clearly seen as an advantage to the US push for greater “democracy” in the Middle East, and as a further reputation destroyer for Syria, a supposed “outpost of tyranny”.

The murder of Hariri has effectively turned us all against Syria, thus paving the way for more publicly unopposed actions against the Syrian “regime”.

So why would Israel be interested in destroying Syria? Hizbollah, that’s why. Hizbollah are practically the only force to have inflicted a defeat on Israel by driving them out of Southern Lebanon after a 22-year occupation Hizbollah have clamped down on Israeli expansionism and because of this, they have to be destroyed.

There is much more to this conflict than I have relayed in this post, but this should go a long way to show that all this “talk of war” is definitely NOT hot air.

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 08:24 PM
Like I said.

I dont care how many dollar bills they throw at it...they dont have a single resource other than air power to dump a few 'precision weapons' on a few 'WMD' hangouts. Most probably disguised as mud hut villages if the U.S airforce is at it's usual best.

And yes you're right bam bam.

But in the end...what to do?

We can all bleat on...rip our shirts apart at the buttons and cry to the heavens ...WHY???????????????????????????????????

I've been down the guilt trip road.

I like my 8 meg internet, adsl, always on connection.

And ya know what...if it disapered tomorrow i would'nt give a toss.

As the preacher said to the bad guy in "Contact" when challenged that he was a luddite..."i object to the men who deify (worship) technology at the expense of truth".

Nothing wrong with technology. And what peice of technology has supported truth more than ANY other...there are 2...

The printing press and the INTERNET.

Martin Luthar used the new printing press to expose the outright corruption of the Sicko's running the Catholic Church.

I'll tell you right now...if it was'nt for the net we'd all be lining up for our subcutaneous microchips containing our unique DNA number as we speak.

Nothing has thwarted power so quickly and so painlessly than the internet.

As for Africa...why is Africa like it is? Yes...lots and lots of interference by rich white men.

But sooner or later Africans are going to have to take responsibility for Africa and their lot.

What of the U.S? What of the Constitution and Bill of Rights? All fought for by men and women who wanted to be free of tyranny. Washington could have accepted the bribe of King of America and all that goes with it. They were all flawed men but they stood and they fought for principals. No one came and rescued the American Republic. Americans rescued it and chose their way of life all by themselves. And so will the rest of the planet.

Along the same line...Ahmed said something very profound about Iraq. That the Iraqi's have accepted their fate through their tribal nature and straying from the Quaran and dividing between Mahummed and his cousin Ali. And then theres the Kurds.

Thats their lot.

I live in paradise. Australia.

One day my paradise may well be plunged into disunion and chaos. That will be my fate and that of my countrymen. And I will fight.

One day very soon, the U.S will be plunged into utter chaos and disunion as the economy is collapsed. Who needs a terrorist attack? Civil war and a police state takeover is gauranteed. All Bush has to do is tank the dollar.

And thats why I say forget all this war. "Just gotta distract em...just gotta distract them..."DeNiro in Wag The Dog.
www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

Armageddon...WW3, another distraction depriving you of your power and designed to intimidate you into helplessness.

The Iraqi's are freeing themselves quite nicely.

I dont like the carnage but that is their lot I guess.

Think globally, act locally. All this fixation on endless war, wars for oil etc...is stopping you acting RIGHT NOW on a local issue.

Write a letter..."waste of time"...you say. Well I attended a meeting on drugs and got to converse with the No 1 man in Oz on the matter. I had an effect. I accomplished something as I followed up with letters to local members on the wrought that is the drug trade.

Start NOW!

Or else! :-P

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 08:41 PM
Well...lets see then Daddylonglegs.

I mean this with the greatest respect...sincerely. You've got to get out more. You have to read more. You have to read more than Rivero and all the right/left hacks out there.

I'm after the main game. Not these sideshows.

Things such as PENAC and the nutters around it have been standing on soapboxes crying..."LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME!!!!!"

Why is that?

Not exactly keeping their intentions secret are they?

You have to go deeper.

Take the Palestinian authority for instance.

This authority lived and died under Arafat because Arafat took his orders from the CIA. He was paid by the CIA.

Look at the billionair NWO stooge they've put in place now. It's a game. Thats all it is...to keep you guessing. Keep you on the back foot and distracted.

The end game is chaos. And then when they've hit you all over the head enough with the threat of this and the threat of that, you'll be BEGGING for a NWO, Secular, Liberal, 'Strongman' to save you from the boogyman...COMPLETE DESTRUCTION and ARMAGEDDON.

For FUCKS SAKE! How can so many people, hell bent on believing every stupid two bit conspiricy theory miss the fucking obvious.

Dont we know how they think here? Are we just another same old same old Liberty forum?

It's the same card trick played OVER AND OVER.

WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dig deeper. Read more. Talk more. Your not digging deep enough.

Just because you're 300 ft deeper than the usual idiot does not mean you've gone far enough.

I'm outa here by Tuesday. Not completely. I'll still be posting new tit bits on my humble offering to the cause...www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

DaddyLongLeg
03-04-2005, 10:54 PM
Hi TB

Thanks for replying.

I supposed I missed the primary spirit of your original post with my explanation of the current Syrian pressures.

This is what I was replying to.

Firstly, the U.S military does not have the logistical resources to attack and occupy Iran.

That is a simple and REALLY REALLY obvious F-A-C-T.

The fact that this F-A-C-T continues to be basically ignored by the entire world media (barring very few exceptions) tells me something about all this war talk...it's all...talk.



I wanted to show that you don’t need military forces to wage a war; and that destroying reputations and economies via public pressure and the media will have an equally devastating effect.

Of course, you are right about “all this talk of war” ultimately being a distraction from the real issue. I agree 100 per cent with you on that. I’m sure many other readers actually agree with you too. These orchestrated world events are the very thing that will create the most advantageous conditions for the “end game”.

Talk of war is no different to talk of football.

Btw, I think you should quit with all the departure notices and just stick around mate.

this
03-04-2005, 11:38 PM
I don't know anything about Arafat, but I did run across this article recently that talks about the PLO and the Russians, seems at least worth a read for somebody. If it's true that would be handy because it seems to make sense: http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12387

Draken
03-05-2005, 10:40 AM
My initial reaction to the interview with Pacepa is that, to begin with I would not trust a "former" Communist spy chief.

Many things he says is plausible, even probable. he might be telling you 98% truth. But the following though, belongs to the 2% "funky stuff";-):

"I strongly suggest the Ceausescu solution. In November 1989, when he was loudly reelected president of Romania, Ceausescu was as popular there as Arafat is now with the Palestinians. A month later, however, Ceausescu was tried for genocide by his own people and executed by his own people. From one day to the next Ceausescu became the symbol of tyranny. Romania turned into a free country, and twelve years later it was invited to join NATO."

Revolutions simply don't happen SPONTANEOUSLY. They're ALWAYS fuelled by vested interests. I know for a fact that one of the most celebrated and glorified "revolutions", namely the Hungarian one, was orchestrated by the Soviet Union because they needed an excuse to stay in the country after the agreed 10 years of "control" the Soviets were promised by the West after WW2.

Similar examples of staged revolutions are the Serbian one where the OTPOR "student" organisation was used to oust Milosevic. George Soros was a major operative in the funding and organizing of that "revolution". I remember watching the news with my parents as those events were unfolding and we could spot the agent provocateurs "randomly" placed in the croud of, probably, many genuine students but also many cadres as well. They even had the trademark black leather jacket so cherished by Communist cadres. They looked more like "mine workers"; a little too old and a little too rough to be peaceful students. Somehow, whenever the reporters wanted to interview a student, they always ended up with one of these agents who new exactly what to say; it was worked out beforehand and very well rehearsed.

The reason people who've lived under Communism so easily can spot agents like these (and why people from the West can't) is because with terror and harrassment, threats and misery in your blood for decades, you develop a healthy mistrust and paranoia, which with time can be likened to a sixth sense. My mom gets goose bumps as soon as she sees a person like that; she doesn't even have to look, let alone speak to the person in question.

"From one day to the next Ceaucescu became a symbol of tyranny."

Rubbish! He was ALWAYS a symbol of tyranny!!! Ask any Romanian, Hungarian - in fact, any Eastern/Central European.

"Free country"? Based on what - that they were invited to join the NATO?!?!

There is a term: "democratism".

I have a question: how does a country that's been controlled by ONE party for a century suddenly turn into a democracy?
The "former" Eastern bloc countries claim they now are genuine democracies. But if they only have had ONE party for 50 years, surely all the "new" parties that make up the new "democratic" system have the SAME BASE, namely that ONE former party?
What that in fact is, is "democratism": it looks like democracy, feels like democracy, acts like democracy, but in fact it's controlled from its creation by second and third echelon Marxist-Leninist cadres.

The whole point with the "former" Communist countries is to get THE WEST to INVITE them into the EU and NATO, thinking Communism is not a threat anymore because of the "collapse". The West is actively and naively inviting a cancer, which was the whole idea of the deception of The Collapse.
SUN TZU was and probably is COMPULSORY READING for Marxist/Leninist strategic operatives.

I've posted enough material on this very topic. I urge everyone - especially those thinking Communism doesn't exist anymore - to read my posts and follow the links.

Draken
03-05-2005, 11:54 AM
For anyone seriously interested in the continued Soviet longterm global strategy should read <a href="http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/booklists/singlelink.php?cid=6&lid=5&PHPSESSID=94864a87953d195c3af132cd3026f9fe">The European Collective: Enemy Of Its Member States</a> by Christopher Story, along with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/189979803X/qid=1110045025/sr=2-1/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_1/104-3106465-0623115">The Perestroika Deception: Memoranda to the CIA</a> by Anatoliy Golitsyn and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1899798048/qid=1110045125/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/104-3106465-0623115?v=glance&s=books">Red Cocaine: The Drugging of America and the West</a> by Joseph D. Douglass.

Draken
03-05-2005, 12:09 PM
Sorry, I've noticed I didn't answer your question, this! :-D

I would say Pacepa is probably telling the truth about their business with Arafat and the PLO. I would think the Soviet tactic of global terrorism and criminalism (exporting criminals and organized crime and the Russian mafia as a weapon of conquest) ties well in with funding, training and organizing terrorists for use all over the world. "Terrorists For Hire" or "Freelance Terrorist: works for the highest bidder" type thing. The long range plan is destruction of the West by terrorism, drugs, criminalism, cultural Gramsci subversion. If the West at the same time are PAYING for the services of Russia-trained terrorists, without seeing the Soviet long range subversion, all the better. The Marxist-Leninist strategists are laughing their heads off at the naivety, stupidity and shortsightedness of the Western so-called foreign policy experts.

They simply miss the bigger picture.

marypopinz
03-05-2005, 12:33 PM
Yikes.

Draken
03-05-2005, 12:52 PM
4 more to go, Mary!!! :-D

marypopinz
03-06-2005, 08:46 AM
Thanx for noticing, I wasn't counting.

bambam
03-06-2005, 03:42 PM
truebeliever wrote:

I dont care how many dollar bills they throw at it...they dont have a single resource other than air power to dump a few 'precision weapons' on a few 'WMD' hangouts.

Why are you so sure? Do you have level 9 security clearence for the Pentagon?

They maybe have the power. Actually noone starts a war if he is not sure that he can stand and win. If they started it, they are sure thay can win it:

<div style="background-color: #ccc; border: 1px dotted black; padding: 8px;">
"Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends an embassy and asks terms of peace. So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he has cannot be my disciple."
Luke 14:31
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And yes you're right bam bam.

But in the end...what to do?

We can all bleat on...rip our shirts apart at the buttons and cry to the heavens ...WHY???????????????????????????????????

I've been down the guilt trip road.

You cant imagine how often I hear that. But let me give you two particular examples:

<div style="background-color: #ccc; border: 1px dotted black; padding: 20px;">
<div style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px dotted black; padding: 8px;">
1. The Matrix (1999) starting Keanu Reeves

Cypher: Whoa, Neo. You scared the bejeezus out of me.
Neo: Sorry.
Cypher: It's okay.
Neo: Is that...
Cypher: The Matrix? Yeah.
Neo: Do you always look at it encoded?
Cypher: Well you have to. The image translators work for the construct program. But there's way too much information to decode the Matrix. You get used to it. I...<b>I don't even see the code. All I see is blonde, brunette, red-head.</b> Hey, you a... want a drink?
Neo: Sure
Cypher: You know, I know what you're thinking, because right now I'm thinking the same thing. Actually, <b>I've been thinking it ever since I got here. Why, oh why didn't I take the blue pill?...</b> Good shit, huh. Dozer makes it. It's good for two things, degreasing engines and killing brain cells. So, can I ask you something? Did he tell you why he did it, why you're here? Jesus. What a mind job. So you're here to save the world. What do you say to something like that? A little piece of advice. You see an agent, you do what we do. Run. Run your ass off.
Neo: Thanks for the drink.
Cypher: Sweet dreams.

(Restaurant)
Agent Smith: Do we have a deal, Mr. Reagan.
Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize? <b>Ignorance is bliss.</b>
Agent Smith: Then we have a deal?
Cypher: I don't want to remember nothing. Nothing. You understand? And I want to be rich. You know, someone important, like an actor.
Agent Smith: Whatever you want, Mr. Reagan.
Cypher: Okay. I get my body back into a power plant, you insert me into the Matrix, I'll get you what you want.
Agent Smith: Access codes to the Zion mainframe.
Cypher: No, I told you, I don't know them. I can get you the man who does.
Agent Smith: Morpheus.
</div>

I really like that movie! Its because of the idea how we see one world, but we dont see the REAL world. And even if we saw it and we know it, then we ask ourselfes "Why, oh why didn't I take the blue pill?"
Is this what you want? Ignorance is NOT a bliss, it only makes you a slave.

No we cannot "rip our shirts apart at the buttons and cry to the heavens ...WHY???????????????????????????????????"

But ignoring it and playing the game tha bad guys want from us is certainly not the way to beat it!
</div>



<div style="background-color: #ccc; border: 1px dotted black; padding: 20px">
<div style="background-color: #ddd; border: 1px dotted black; padding: 8px;">
2. The Beach (2000) starting Leonardo DiCaprio

Richard is standing over Christo who is lying in agony on the sand.
CHRISTO: Richard! My foot. My foot! It's so painful. My foot!
Richard looks at Christo's right leg: it has been bitten off beneath the knee, leaving only a ragged bloody stump.
RICHARD: Yeah, your foot - it's - pretty bad.
Christo clings to him.
CHRISTO: But it will be ok? Please Richard, when I get to the hospital?
RICHARD: Hospital?
CHRISTO: Tell me - it will be ok.
RICHARD: Yeah. Sure. Christo, it'll be ok.
...
<b><span style="color: #933">After the funeral we all tried to get back to normal, but it just didn't seem right. After a while it became clear that the problem was Christo. You see, in a shark attack, or any other major tragedy I guess, the important thing is to get eaten and die, in which case there's a funeral and someone makes a speech and everyone cries and says what a good guy you were, or: get better in which case everyone can forget about it. It's the hanging around in between that really pisses people off.</span></b>

Etienne is backing through the forest. Outraged.
ETIENNE: This is disgusting! You cannot do this! Take him back!
A party of stretcher bearers, including Bugs, Sal, and Keaty, carry Christo through the forest. Sal is carrying a small rolled up tent. Richard walks behind.
SAL: Ok, that's far enough.
They lower Christo to the ground.
ETIENNE: Take him back, you fucking animals!
Sal drops the tent at Etienne's feet.
The part walks away apart from Richard
ETIENNE: (continuing) Fucking bastards!
Christo, delirious, is being nursed by Etienne in the small tent, now situated in the middle of the forest.
Richard is with him.

<b><span style="color: #933">RICHARD: It's not that they don't care, Etienne, it's just that they don't care in the same way as you do. It's a fine distinction, I know.
ETIENNE: I understand: they wish he was dead.
RICHARD: No! they've be equally happy if he recovered. They just want an outcome.</span></b>
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You see If we want to forget about the truth, do nothing now, then it will soon be too late.
If we continue to ignore it and live life our ways, then we are part of the NWO cause we do nothing. Of course we are sorry about the millions of crying, hungering, beslaved people..
We will be equally happy if they were feeded and happy. But we just want an outcome.
</div>


As for Africa...why is Africa like it is? Yes...lots and lots of interference by rich white men.

But sooner or later Africans are going to have to take responsibility for Africa and their lot.

If you say "lots and lots of interference by rich white men", then how to you expect "Africans to have to take responsibility"? They maybe would if they could. Remeber Rwanda.
800 000 Tutsi were killed and the rich white man did nothing, We the citizens who voted for the rich white people ignored it, cause we say: Too bad for them, but <b>we just want an outcome.</b>


I live in paradise. Australia.

One day my paradise may well be plunged into disunion and chaos. That will be my fate and that of my countrymen. And I will fight.

fight? For who? For what?

<u>For Christ?</u>

God has the power to end the violence, but expects us to be against the violence and not support it by ignoring it.
" Matthew 12:30 - He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. "

<u>For your country? For your "way of life"?</u>

Yes, this might be.
All the wars in the history happen, in my opinion, for two reasons:
- one side: people who want to gain something
- other side: people who want to defend something

People always fight cause they are defending something. Their country, their way of life. The US say they are fighting, because they defend their way of life (a life i call - ignorance). terrorist say, they are fighting because the defend their countries against the agressor - US.

Jesus Christ knew this and show the way to end all wars:
"Luke 6:29 - To him who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also; and from him who takes away your coat do not withhold even your shirt."
"Exodus 20:17 - You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his manservant, or his maidservant, or his ox, or his ass, or anything that is your neighbor's."

If the one party dont "covet" and the other dont defend what the have, there wouldnt be any wars.


<div style="background-color: #ccf; padding: 8px; font-weight: bold;">No one is more a slave than the one who thinks he is free without being free.
<span style="text-align: right">- Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe</span>
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We are slaves. We live our lifes the way we want, cause "life is short", we ignore the iniguity cause "we cant do nothing about it", we will fight the "evil" cause "we defend our way of life".

We are the slaves of NWO.
We falsely believe we are free.

truebeliever
03-07-2005, 03:54 AM
Bam...you're preaching to the choir.

I love the first Matrix BTW. They stole from every genre known but it's undoubtably a classic. Made by Joooze ya know.

I guess my point is for all the talk, for all the discussion...what PRACTICAL aspect of fighting the NWO has ANYONE on this forum done?

Dont get me wrong. Posting is important...exchanging information is important, but at what point do you actually get out into the community and take part?

Timing is everything. Knowing when and where to strike is everything.

Continually pushing the line of endless war and intimidation when it is an obvious technique of control and intimidation does not help the cause.

They used to experiment on rat colonies. They'd poke and prod and intimidate them until they became docile and quiet.

One aim of the NWO managers is to use extremists of every kind, including the ones in Washington and elsewhere, to intimidate you into 'info overload'.

Endless bad news and endless threats of destruction until the ears of the masses we want to reach shut tight.

I have no regrets taking the red pill. But I have to live. I dont believe i stated anywhere that the answer was to ignore the goings on around us.

But at what point does the event have ANYTHING to do with YOU?

So, the war in Iraq offends you and what? Short of travelling to Iraq and fighting with the locals what practical event has changed the so called 'neocons' plans?

For all the protests and all the bleatings was the war in Iraq affected ONE IOTA?

As for Africa...just like the M.E the base is tribal. Before the white man set foot there they were hacking each other to bits. And so it goes. Ably assisted now by the West covertly for it's own reasons.

My point on this is the only people who can practically bring want everyone wants to a region (peace & justice), is the local people themselves.

Like I said. The American people took it by the scruff of the neck and ever since they have been subverted by vested European interests. Once again only the American people can get it back.

On Tuesday I start full time employment. I can get a loan and build on some isolated land. I can no longer afford to waste energy. That does'nt mean that at any given oppurtunity I wont be chatting to the uninitiated on the program of the NWO.

I can only be responsible for my own behaviour and those in my immediate vicinity. All else will suck me dry and scatter my scarce resources as I will be a nervous, ineffectual wreck.

They say that before you swim out to rescue someone it may be wise to take a boat. I'm just saying maybe we should not feel guilty for taking the time to build a boat.

By all means get angry. But be aware that when angry you cant act. It's time to get past the anger stage and out of their grip.

The story of the Buddah leaving the safety of the Temple grounds and experiencing the sadness of life is relevent. It's always a shock to find out that the worlds run by arseholes as it always hase been. But apart from rightest indignation...what has the practical effect been?

In the end this is simply the point i'm at now and perhaps my last 2 replies were more a personal statement about where I am than specific advice to anyone.

We all have to make our own way.
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As for the specific..."what would i know...do i work at the pentagon".

It takes personal to INVADE someone and occupy them.

I dont care how many fancy gee wiz gadgets they have.

As I said, they can bomb it...destroy it even...and Syria to boot 5000 times over but they cannot invade and occupy.

The American people will not support more wars in this region.

THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT.

THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT.

THERE WILL BE NO DRAFT.
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One more thing. War with China, Taiwan etc...

Still being pushed.

Just think about this. It would take hundreds if not thousands of landing craft to actually invade and then supply troops.

The Taiwanese possess hundreds if not thousands of ani-ship missiles. The Chinese would be learning the dog paddle awfully fast.

To invade Taiwan they would literally have to destroy it...TOTALLY.

To wipe out resistence would entail the use of tactical nukes.

The Chinese actually enjoy good trade relations with Taiwan that are mutually beneficial.

Friends who do business in China tell me the Chinese citizen could'nt give a toss about Taiwan as for all practical purposes people camoe and go as they please.

Would the financial and political elite REALLY want a totally destructive war? To what end?

This stage play is designed for you and the Chinese workers to keep them focussed and busy in case they actually realise they live in shit.

It's a pantomine. Played over and over again.

Also...war between China/Europe/Russia and the U.S.

A: The Elites of these regions are not about to shit in their own nests.

B: The Elites of these countries are not total idiots. It would take more than a few cunning Joooze to fool them.

C: After the exchange there would'nt be too many people to rule.

They will be culling the population using more subtle means.

BTW...the same forces that financed the Soviet Union, Germany and China are hard at work. However, this is not 1939. More than a simple extrapolation from events 60 years ago will be needed to understand today.

truebeliever
03-07-2005, 04:29 AM
Daddylonglegs...on the note of sticking around...I really need to get off this compter!

Will still be around. Just alot less.

Yes, I get what you mean. I'm sure there are alot of agenda's going along with it all. The main game is to distract.

Best.

Draken
03-07-2005, 04:46 AM
In regards to how the Rwandan massacre ever could take place let me refer to this article by Joe Vialls.

<a href="http://www.joevialls.co.uk/subliminalsuggestion/mindcontrol.html">American Mind Control in Baghdad
Spooks use technology "proved" on one-million dead Africans</a>
Copyright Joe Vialls, 29 May 2003

I saw an intriguing program on Discovery about "paranormal" phenomena. They were interviewing two American journalists who claim to have met their "guardian angel" while covering the ongoing slaughter in Rwanda. They were in a car in the middle of a very large croud of tribal people (can't remember Tutsi or Hutu). The atmosphere was hostile and quite volatile; black people jumping up and down in perfect choreography. But the reporters claimed that even though the tension was high and this croud knew their enemy was nearby, still it wasn't crazy enough for people starting to hack eachother up in pieces. It was like a demostration, nothing more.

Then suddenly, the atmosphere turned extremely violent and within seconds the car was surrounded by a croud and they kept very close to the car, pounding the hull, machetes suddenly everywhere, climbing up on the top and being very threatening. The two reporters were praying for their lives, trying desperately to get out but the car was surrounded. They thought their final moment had come.

Then, out of the croud, a white man dressed in a black trenchcoat, black hat, a briefcase and an umbrella (!), appeared from the croud. He came up to the car and as he came closer the reporters actually recognized the man as a Russian they'd met a couple of years earlier in Russia when covering a news story there. The black, violent croud kept well clear of this strange man and for a moment calmed down. This, apparently Russian man started talking to the reporters in English and after chatting for a while about how they recognized eachother he said to the reporters that he can get them out, if they follow his orders to the smallest detail. He told them that he would go back into the crowd and when they see the crowd TOTALLY calm and quiet step on the pedal and drive out of there. The reporters were worried how the Russian would get out but he assured them not to worry and that he had the situation under control.

So they said goodbye and the Russian disappeared back into the crowd. The reporters waited, scared to death, and sure enough, suddenly the crowd calmed down, went totally quiet, stopped the jumping and chanting. So they did as they were told and got the hell out of there.

So their story was in this program on Discovery about "paranormal" phenomena, people who've seen "angels" or "ghosts" and the like. These reporters were convinced they'd met their "guardian angel" in this Russian man in his hat and trenchcoat, briefcase and umbrella!!!
As I was zapping through the channels, and having Vialls' article (and others) in the back of my head, I could almost hear the thud of my jaw as it hit the floor when I started to watch this program!

I tried to find out everything I could; I tried to talk to the people at Discovery, I wrote to Makow even and Vialls I think, but I never heard anything.

truebeliever
03-07-2005, 04:59 AM
Ha ha ha...great story!

I have no claims to the truth on the Rawandan event, but perhaps it could be simpler.

There were legitimate reasons for unrest in Rawanda and ethnic tensions. It does'nt take much to stir them up. Take Yugoslavia for example.

Also the distribution of drugs like amphetamine and the local derivitive 'khat'.

Also too, Africans to a large degree are very susceptible to group think for want of a better term.

Whatever. Africa has been the testing ground for alot of new stuff.

I guess we'll all here the truth when we're dead.

truebeliever
03-07-2005, 06:04 AM
""Why are you so sure? Do you have level 9 security clearence for the Pentagon?

They maybe have the power. Actually noone starts a war if he is not sure that he can stand and win. If they started it, they are sure thay can win it:""
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One thing I forgot.

Wars are started for a multitude of reasons.

Hence my original post.

One of the reasons has nothing to do with winning but simply to channel thoughts and energies in a different direction. Usually away from the things that matter.

Draken
09-02-2005, 02:40 AM
Electronic Harassment

Advanced Electronic Security Co. performs Electronic Sweeping and Surveys, using the best possible Technical Surveillance Counter Measures (TSCM), to determine if you're being electronically harassed. We then proscribe the proper course of action to eliminate the electronic harassment threat.
What is Electronic Harassment?
If someone uses any electronic device to aid them in invading your person or property for the purpose of gathering information illegally, or for the purpose of causing harm, this is Electronic Harassment.
Electronic Harassment comes in many forms and types. We'll try to explain what they are and what to do about them below.

* Electronic Surveillance
Electronic Surveillance is the imposed observation of a person's belongings, person or surroundings through the use of electronic listening devices, video recording or transmitting devices, spectral imaging through heat or infrared, sound or other radiation sources, and any other means of observing a person's actions, possessions or routines. Not all forms of surveillance use electronic devices and not all forms of surveillance are illegal or considered harassment. Simply observing someone using ones eyes is certainly also considered surveillance and is not illegal in and of itself. Surveillance has become quite advanced and will become more pervasive as our society progresses in technology. Micro recorders, covert hidden video cameras (such as pinhole cameras), ultra tiny microphones, micro transmitters, and other bugging devices are easy to get by anyone at spy novelty shops and online stores. For more on this subject, see Eavesdropping Threats for covert hidden camera pictures with additional information, and Electronic Surveillance page.
* Electronic Sabotage/Interference (Jamming)
Electronic sabotage or interference is any sabotage that is intentionally configuring personal property to either be destroyed or malfunction. Any intentional interference such as electronic noise generators, sound generators, light generators, spark gap disrupters, or any other form of EMI (electromagnetic interference) which either destroys, disrupts, causes malfunction or loss of resources is deemed to be electronic harassment.
* Directed Harmful High Energy Devices
This is the most dangerous form of electronic harassment and is quite easy to implement against a person. Directed harmful high energy microwave devices and weapons can include such devices and equipment that are easily available almost anywhere in the World where there are people. Microwave ovens can be modified to focus and direct up to 1200 watts or more, depending on the model, of microwave energy at a person or property and are easy to produce. The results of an attack by a high energy device can be lethal, they can kill or at the least disable a human being or other animals. Attacks from high energy microwave weapons leave blisters, cause internal bruising and/or bleeding, stimulate cancer, cause cataracts, encourage tumors to grow, generate boils, or leave red patches on the skin. Directed Harmful High Energy Weapons will have effective ranges from the point of contact to several hundred yards. Directed Harmful High Energy Weapons can be used to destroy electronic devices and cause severe interference in computers and alarm systems which can allow forced entry or destruction of vital data. Radar guns are available from surplus stores most anywhere and can be obtained from ex-military sources or even police departments. Radar gun power outputs range from a two or three watts to 3 Megawatts! Portable radar guns range in size from small hand held devices to vehicle mounted long range high power models. These devices have very long ranges due to their greater power, higher frequencies and shorter wavelength. Radar guns emit long or short pulses of high energy capable of causing instant damage or death to living creatures. Semiconductor destruction or malfunction, brain damage & stopping vehicles are other uses for these devices. Other forms of directed harmful high energy include devices such as tasers, klystron guns (radar guns), ion beam guns, plasma pulse guns, soliton bombs, and many more devices.

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Directional Microwave EMP Rifle (PARTIAL KIT) Partial kit (shown above). This partial kit will include a 50,000W (yes it says 50KW) Watt X-band military microwave magnetron with complete spec sheets from two manufacturers and operational information to make it work (about 30 pages), EMP rifle plans (over 49 pages), and qty:3 (12KV @ 1A) rectifiers. A device such as this can be made the size of a super soaker water gun, it operates at 9.2GHz and with a properly tuned horn antenna will have an effective range of over 300 yards (possibly more with larger antenna). Such a device could possibly cause semiconductors to burn out, microprocessors to malfunction, inductors to counter induce and create CEMF, induce RF noise, cause ionization of air or gases, cause junction rectification and erase computer data on hard drives, disk and solid state device. Operating such a device may be in violation of State or Federal Laws, consult your Local authority before operating such a device. UPS GROUND SHIPPING ONLY DUE TO INTENSE MAGNETIC FIELD FROM MAGNETRON. Do not purchase this kit if it is illegal to own or operate in your area. (This kit is real and available on the internet. The above photo and description was taken directly from an internet website, but we will not tell you where to find it!)

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# Directed energy weapon for "Active Denial" is now being deployed by the military.
# Voice/Data/Image induction
This form of electronic harassment causes an individual to think they are loosing their mind or that they have a mental illness. There are 3 known methods of imposing VDI induction.
# Mircrowave transmitter is hidden in this church towerMicrowave Carrier ULF-UHF Induction Method. This method utilizes a modulated microwave signal with either an audio, video, or other form of signal or even data may be used. The microwave energy with the VDI (Voice/Data/Image) carrier signal is then directed to the target area or individual. The reaction to this modulated microwave energy from one individual to another will usually be slightly different making it very difficult to diagnose as electronic harassment. The Voice/Data/Image induction form of harassment causes victims to hear voices in their heads or see random images or lights. Similar technology was developed to enable communication between humans and dolphins or even was purported to be used by secret agencies for the purposes of mind reading and control. A device known as the wireless neurophone has been patented along with other such devices that perform similar functions. A microwave carrier ULF-UHF induction device can be placed at a targets location and operated and monitored remotely. Transmission locations can be concealed in the same ways that cell telephone transmission sites so that they cannot be identified easily. See Stealth for some examples of the way cell antennas can be hidden in plain sight.
# Direct Contact Induction Method. This method requires direct skin contact of the subject. Voice/Data/Image induction (VDI) is induced through the skin, using the natural ability of the skin to conduct energy. The DCI method uses a simple high voltage D.C. carrier, which is modulated with the VDI signal and is coupled to the subject body using capacitive skin pads. The contacts need to contact any part of the skin anywhere on the body. The signal is received and interpreted by the nerves below the skin surface and sent to the brain which processes the information signals, causing the images or sounds or data to appear to the target without the actual use of their eyes or ears. A similar device is also known as the neurophone. There are many patents for similar devices. Evidence of unauthorized use on someone is two or more circular red marks on the skin or two or more blisters.
# Magnetic Pulse Induction Method. The neurons within the nerves and human brain are very sensitive to magnetic fields. The MPI method uses an induction coil to induce a low to medium magnetic field in and around the brain causing the neurons to misroute, slow down or revert. This form of electronic VDI harassment is often diagnosed as EMI (electromagnetic interference) sensitivity, which is similar to someone getting headaches from prolonged usage of cellular phones or nausea from being around power lines for extended periods of time. Magnetic Pulse Induction Method may be employed by using a device implanted within the targets home or surroundings and can be operated remotely.
# Radiation
Radiation is a very common form of harassment. A potential harasser can easily buy an old x-ray gun from a surplus dealer and with only slight modifications use it to bombard a target with deadly amounts of x-ray radiation. Radiation devices can be battery powered and used for long periods of time. High exposure to x-ray radiation will cause tumors, brain disorders, mental illness, tremors, headaches, cataracts, seizures or even death. Radiation harassment is usually done over long periods of time, ranging from days to years, in order to induce harm. Radiation harassers can also get various radioactive materials such as thorium nitrate, plutonium oxide, uranium nitrate, and uranyl nitrite. Using radioactive materials a harasser can cause a terrible and agonizing death.
# Implants
Implants are without a doubt the most invasive form of harassment. Electronic implants consist of transmitters, ESF generators, micro-neurophonic transceivers, tracking devices and other micro sized devices designed to cause harassment by tracking or controlling movement and thought. The most common implant was designed many years ago and is still used to this day. It consists of a unit that is powered by bodily fluids and is capable of transmitting voice signals, high voltage pulses, emitting a small tracking beacon signal, or other unspecified uses (mind control).

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Newest version of a biochip implant. For more information about this chip go to
http://www.nasatech.com/Briefs//May99/ARC14280.html

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Millions may be carrying microchips in their bodies worldwide. The Safe Medical Devices Act, which became a law in 1990, requires USA manufacturers of implants and medical devices, to adopt a method for identifying and tracking their products permanently implanted in humans, and to keep track of the recipients, in case malfunctions arise. Breast implants, pacemakers, replacement heart valves and prosthetic devices implanted in millions worldwide are all to be tracked. And one of the methods used to track these devices is implanting microchips which store data about the manufacturer, the surgeon, the date of implant, etc.
# Laser Harassment Devices

The use of simple, easy to procure lasers to harass or "Dazzle" a subject is becoming more prevalent. Subjects of this type of harassment have reported seeing "little red dots" on their curtains, through their windows or on themselves. There have been numerous reports of people being momentarily blinded by red lights (red lasers) while they were driving in their cars. Some of these incidents have resulted in traffic accidents, although no permanent blindness has yet to be reported as a result of being "spotted".

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Laser gun sight, zoom rifle scope, 3-axis adjustable tripod head
The parts that make this device can be purchased at any gun store
and the tripod is a standard issue camera tripod.

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Hand-held unit with laser gun sight and golf scope

United States Patent 5,629,678
Gargano , et al. May 13, 1997

Personal tracking and recovery system

Abstract
Apparatus for tracking and recovering humans utilizes an implantable transceiver incorporating a power supply and actuation system allowing the unit to remain implanted and functional for years without maintenance. The implanted transmitter may be remotely actuated, or actuated by the implantee. Power for the remote-activated receiver is generated electromechanically through the movement of body muscle. The device is small enough to be implanted in a child, facilitating use as a safeguard against kidnapping, and has a transmission range which also makes it suitable for wilderness sporting activities. A novel biological monitoring feature allows the device to be used to facilitate prompt medical dispatch in the event of heart attack or similar medical emergency. A novel sensation-feedback feature allows the implantee to control and actuate the device with certainty.
Read complete patent info (http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/patents/uspatent5629678.html)

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This is one of 66 low-earth orbiting (LEO) satellites comprising the Iridium satellite system. The original company went bankrupt so the US Department of Defense assisted in making sure the system stayed in operation. The system is currently maintained by the Boeing Company.

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This is a diagram of the planetary coverage of the Iridum system. This system has transmit and receive coverage of the entire planet. Each circle is a coverage sector.

Of course there are many other forms of electronic harassment not mentioned here, but the most common forms of electronic harassment that you may likely encounter have been covered. Please read <a href="http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/microwave.html">Microwave Detection - Remote Mind Control Technology</a> for more on this subject.

Symptoms of Electronic Radiation Exposure

Symptoms may include but are not limited to: Headache, eye irritation, dizziness, nausea, skin rash, facial swelling, weakness, fatigue, pain in joints and/or muscles, buzzing/ringing in ears, skin numbness, abdominal pressure and pain, breathing difficulty, irregular heartbeat, sexual stimulation and hearing voices (see <a href="http://www.bugsweeps.com/info/mind_control.html">Patent #4,858,612</a>). Additional symptoms have been reported in some individuals such as paralysis, balance problems, body and/or muscle spasms, convulsions, confusion,depression, difficulty in concentrating, seizure, sleep disturbances, and memory difficulties.

What Can Be Done To Protect Against Electronic Harassment?

In a legal sense, there isn't too much that can be done. You could change your venue, relocate or move to avoid the harasser but this isn't usually a practical method for a variety of reasons.
For starters, the best thing to do is give us a call from a secure phone. We will conduct a sweep of the suspect areas to locate the source of the suspected harassment and then assist in a course of action to stop the harassment.
Natural obstacles are cheap and effective in blocking most X-rays and microwave or RF (could be a radar gun) signals that a harasser might use. Mountains, caves, desert areas, and large lakes or oceans offer excellent protection and can block or distort most forms of electronic harassment.
Shielding signals with Passive or Active shielding can be an effective measure.
If harassment is general to an area and not specifically directed to you, simply moving to another location is the easiest method to stop the harassment. If the harassment is specific to you, then you'll need to employ some sort of shield or cover, such as mountains or a cave. Shielding may be your only alternative to stop the harassment if you cannot employ natural obstacles or shields. Passive shielding is less expensive then Active shielding and consists of special metal materials designed to block high frequency RF energy, X-rays, etc. Active shielding uses sophisticated electronic equipment to jam, capture, redirect, distort or nullify the harmful energy.

It isn't legal for a private individual, a company or a corporation to use electronic harassment on you. The military and law enforcement, however, can use <a href="http://www.m2technologiesinc.com/future.html">non-lethal weapons</a> (see <a href="http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1520a.html">USC Title 50 Chapter 32 Section 1520a</a>).
Further, testing of electronic equipment; discovering unauthorized electronic surveillance; training of intelligence personnel by officers the United States is allowed.
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1805.html
Notwithstanding any other provision of this subchapter, officers, employees, or agents of the United States are authorized in the normal course of their official duties to conduct electronic surveillance not targeted against the communications of any particular person or persons, under procedures approved by the Attorney General.

Advanced Electronic Security Co. is an experienced and knowledgeable professional private investigative agency with the ability to find and then help you to eliminate Electronic Harassment. Advanced Electronic Security Co. is also a specialist in electronic surveillance and counter-surveillance. We only utilize the best and latest technology and techniques to assist and support victims of Electronic Harassment.

truebeliever
09-02-2005, 05:06 AM
Great post...the Yiddish speaking art dealers are on the way...

What about this microwave device....?

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Mark my words...in just a few more years they are gonna have to fess up about these little beauties.

Draken
09-02-2005, 05:28 AM
I'm telling you:

When my current mobile phone craps it, I'll ditch the whole deal. I'll never buy another mobile phone!

truebeliever
09-02-2005, 05:31 AM
Used sparingly they are fine.

It's the 14 year old school girls who have them permenantly glued to their ears who are gonna cop it.

A friend of a friend did the first study here in Oz about 6 years ago...Telstra refused to release it! Because serious concerns were raised about over use and the telco panicked.

Saturnino
09-02-2005, 02:06 PM
TB,
Just bought a model exactly like yours for my wife.

truebeliever
09-02-2005, 08:33 PM
It's a great phone Sat...i hav'nt thrown it on the floor yet in a temper tantrum to test survivabilty but no doubt it's time will come. I like it for the high quality 2 megapixel camera. Just perfect when you come accross Police State thingies on your travels and you have forgotton your main camera. I find that digital phones give me a head ache where the old CDMA or Analouge phones do not?

My previous phone was smashed in an infantile rage at full velocity onto a tiled floor and has served me well. Note extra special "silver duct tape" backing. This prevents snooping. Very high tech. That pile of disks are your's Drak.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Phone 1.jpg

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Phone 2.jpg

On the subject of snooping...

The new "Zone Alarm" monitors program activity in the background and brings up interesting things like this...

http:///www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Warning 1.jpg

http:///www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Warning 2.jpg

I can understand the Microsoft Media Keyboard but not the other and I might add i've had about 6 different programs doing this. Of course i'm just being paranoid...right? Just like it was paranoid to believe that all new mobile phones had built in snooping devices?

At the press of a button in the local phone exchange they can listen in even when the phone is off.

Analouge or CDMA phones are harder to bug as you notice the battery level drop rapidly and a few cheap gadgets from a spy shop can easily tell when the phone is transmitting suspiciously.

On the subject of "Zone Alarm". It is distributed by a company called "Check Point" who also do "Spy Sweeper" and a few others.

It was bought out by an Israeli company a few years back. This same Israeli company bought out the German company who was doing the retrieval of the WTC Hard Disks...which we have never seen...funny that.

Mike Ruppert also recommends this software and this company. Hmmmm...i could start a viscous rumour.

truebeliever
09-03-2005, 02:46 AM
SAT...i believe you can also play movies on the phone in MP4 format which I think is Div X.

Go to the Div X website for the software that allows you to convert DVD into small media format. FOr documentaries of course.

Here's a site that mentions the playback capabilities...

http://www.mobymemory.com/Content/Films.on.Mobiles.Best.device.2705.html

igwt
09-03-2005, 06:08 AM
truebeliever wrote:

On the subject of snooping...

The new "Zone Alarm" monitors program activity in the background and brings up interesting things like this...

http:///www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Warning 1.jpg

http:///www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Warning 2.jpg

I can understand the Microsoft Media Keyboard but not the other and I might add i've had about 6 different programs doing this. Of course i'm just being paranoid...right? Just like it was paranoid to believe that all new mobile phones had built in snooping devices?

At the press of a button in the local phone exchange they can listen in even when the phone is off.

Analouge or CDMA phones are harder to bug as you notice the battery level drop rapidly and a few cheap gadgets from a spy shop can easily tell when the phone is transmitting suspiciously.

On the subject of "Zone Alarm". It is distributed by a company called "Check Point" who also do "Spy Sweeper" and a few others.

It was bought out by an Israeli company a few years back. This same Israeli company bought out the German company who was doing the retrieval of the WTC Hard Disks...which we have never seen...funny that.

Mike Ruppert also recommends this software and this company. Hmmmm...i could start a viscous rumour.

Speaking of snooping, have you heard or read that for many years now it is believed that digital / cable TV boxes have a built in spy camera, that can be monitored with out the viewers knowledge?

Also some years ago, an article in an Australian newspaper that was reporting about Clinton vs Dole? live TV debate -Clinton's prior to second election victory - stated words to the effect, that, by studying the expressions on the faces on those viewing the TV debate that they knew Clinton would win a landslide reelection.