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truebeliever
09-13-2005, 10:24 PM
Leading Chinese Dissident Warns: China Planning Nuclear War

The Epoch Times | September 13 2005

One of China’s most famous democracy advocates says that America has not paid enough attention to the threat of nuclear war with China. Wei Jingsheng, who spent 18 years in confinement in China, spoke at a forum on Chinese leader Hu Jintao at the National Press Club, sketching a disturbing picture of a powerful nation on the march to war.

The forum consisted of China expert panelists giving their various perspectives on the underlying meaning behind the visit of Chinese leader Hu Jintao, who has been in power for the last two years.

Wei stated that China needs the distraction of a war with Taiwan to turn attention away from the Chinese people’s frustration with rampant corruption and failed policies at home.

Wei also stated that a number of factors allow them to consider traditional warfare against Taiwan and even nuclear warfare against the U.S.

First, Russia, who China has often seen as an enemy, has offered a tacit agreement to China’s military plan, said Wei.

He pointed out that “China has signed a treaty with Russia that basically says if China invades Taiwan, Russia will not support the U.S.”, that meant that they would defend Taiwan if the island came under attack.

China also teamed up with Russia recently for joint military exercises on the Shandong Peninsula, an area fairly close to Taiwan, indicating both China’s intentions and Russia’s acceptance of those intentions.

Wei said that China had also been considering nuclear war against the U.S. as a way to defeat America in the war. The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) is considering nuclear war, Wei said, because it is not afraid to sacrifice China’s people.

He took as an evidence Chinese general Zhu Chenghu’s recent public statement declaring that China would launch nuclear weapons against the U.S. if it attacked China and that “we … will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all the cities east of Xian,” which would include Beijing, Shanghai, and Canton.

Although the general’s view was not publicly corroborated by other officials, Wei said, China’s government-run media enthusiastically circulated the statements.

Wei also warned Americans not to underestimate the irrational behavior of the CCP leadership and that America’s best response to prevent a coming war is to begin taking it seriously.

The Communist Chinese are very dissembling, Wei said. They try to appear to the world as less threatening, while at the same time they plan their next move.

Other panelists added that part of the reason Communist Party officials fear for the Party’s future is the Epoch Times’ “Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party”, an editorial series on the CCP published in November 2004 that has inspired four million Chinese people to cancel their Communist Party membership.

“Whether the campaign of ‘maintaining the advanced nature of the party,’ or anti-Japanese parades, or anti-secession law [i.e., invade Taiwan if it declares independence], or nuclear threats to the U.S., all of these are for the purpose of diverting public attention on the mass resignations,” says Frank Gong, writer for the Chinascope magazine.

According to an August 15 report on the “Liberation Army Daily,” the Central Military Committee of the Chinese Communist Party released a regulation to bar “private collection of information with severe political issues,” Gong stated. “This indicated that the “Nine Commentaries” had widely spread in the military and caused the Central Military Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to be on high alert.”

The other panelists too tried to dispel the image of China as a nation taking its place in the world as a contributor to peace and prosperity.

Dr. John Li, Senior Research Fellow, Association for Asian Research, described an “equilibrium” status the U.S. currently enjoys with China: the U.S. gains access to cheap labor, even though the factories are polluting the country, while China’s totalitarian state acquires badly needed investment dollars.

“It might be good for the U.S. that this equilibrium can be kept forever, with the Chinese regime getting the assurance of “no regime change” and the U.S. businesses getting the money squeezed from cheap Chinese labor.” However, as much as the U.S. would like it to continue, Li said, the U.S. cannot avoid the fact that the Chinese have “never wavered in their belief that ‘America is their No. 1 enemy’.”

Dr. Li thinks the U.S. should distinguish its true friends from its foes. The only way to do that is by looking at countries’ human rights records. Treating China as its adversary, that is, a regime contrary to U.S. values, will lead to the best result in the long term, he said.

All the panelists agreed that America is sleeping, dreaming images of a pleasant, peaceful China. America wants to believe that the CCP has changed and has put an end to its brutal past. But Frank Gong asked rhetorically, “How do you ‘get over’ causing the deaths, unnecessarily, of 80 million people?” He argued that the CCP would never want its crimes exposed.

“So as for the Chinese Communist Party, let’s not consider how much it has improved. We need to consider whether it intends to improve. Once it opens up political freedom and freedom of speech, its past crimes will be exposed. People will have access to information concerning democracy and the rule of law. Then what the CCP faces is not only immediate collapse, but also accountability of all its crimes.”

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2005/130905chinaplanning.htm

truebeliever
09-13-2005, 10:48 PM
One of China’s most famous democracy advocates says that America has not paid enough attention to the threat of nuclear war with China.

And do you know why that is? Because everyone in "the loop" knows that war with China is a GREAT BIG LOAD OF BOLLOCKS.

But maybe I'm wrong? The U.S is defensless after all. Thousands of nuclear weapons. 450 billion dollar defence budget. Unbeatable Raptor fighters with unbeatable AMRAAM missiles...one shot one kill %100 accuracy. Mightiest navy in the world. Mere 250 million people. Center of world commerce...yeh, poor little America 8-)

The forum consisted of China expert panelists giving their various perspectives on the underlying meaning behind the visit of Chinese leader Hu Jintao...

Yes, and the last thing a panel of "experts" can say is..."shit, things are going well. Globalists are happy. China a threat to no one"...not terribly exciting, nor does it grab headlines like..."You're All Fucking Dead Man!"

Wei stated that China needs the distraction of a war with Taiwan to turn attention away from the Chinese people’s frustration with rampant corruption and failed policies at home.

Cant disagree with that one! You might want to include war with America as a distraction for their peasants.

Wei also stated that a number of factors allow them to consider traditional warfare against Taiwan and even nuclear warfare against the U.S.

Really? And what would that be? Taiwan has a highly advanced military with high tech weaponry. It possesses thousands of antiship missiles buried deep into bed rock. You do tend to notice when your "enemy" is ammassing thousands of landing craft and building for war and you prepair. China would be blown out of the water short of a massive tactical nuke strike...which would leave the economic prize of Taiwan...shall we say...less than attractive.

As for nuke war with America?

8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) 8-) :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-D :-P Yeh, the poor defencless U.S...a virgin, just waiting to be raped by the evil slant eyes.

I could go on but I'm off for a walk with my sister.

The only anger at the U.S to come out of China is a phone call to Kissenger..."you little homo! Where is my fucking Avian Bird Flu outbreak! I got 800 million useless eaters in the central provinces creating havoc! You breaking ma balls man!"

09-13-2005, 11:03 PM
So, you feel safe in OZ and like using "scare" tactics on us???

Just kidding!!

Geez, you don't have to bite my head off!

09-13-2005, 11:03 PM
JUST PISSING EVERYBODY OFF, AREN'T WE??

On purpose????

freeman
09-14-2005, 05:04 AM
Yes, this would seem most likely propaganda and hype aimed toward the West. The Chinese are great dissemblers, on that much I agree with the author of the article; however, their most likely military strategy at this point is probably best summarized by the excellent Joel Skousen strategic analysis that Draken put me onto:

Analysis of Global Strategic Threats (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html)

China is most interested in Taiwan and would probaby attack there first, if it had cover provided by a Russian preeptive strike against America. But make no mistake, in the long run, China has every intention of turning against Russia. They are not "sister Communist nations" but mortal adversaries whose interests converge at the same point as their borders.

truebeliever
09-14-2005, 05:36 AM
China has NO capacity to invade Taiwan. N-O-N-E.

Taiwan is one of the most heavily defended islands in the world.

The bunkers, nuclear weapons will perhaps be unleashed...but to kill us...not "them".

ALL talk of war is rubbish...ashes in everyones mouth. War has the role of NOTHING but centralizing power around the state. There is NO plan for China or Russia or the U.S to attack anyone but defensless morons like Iran.

The war to come will be to eliminate us.

The U.S could knock off the entire planet 30 times and still have left overs for next week. Would any member of the Elite risk annhialation for...what?

FREEMAN...want to know how the U.S could defeat the Chinese tomorrow? They could stop their part in the 50 billion a month direct investment in their economy.

China is owned and operated by the West...period.

Putin and Schroeder are bosom buddies. ALL of the so called tension is pure theater. A Punch and Judy show for the peasants.

The goal is one world government with regional power brokers.

The problem is not the Elite who run the U.S...they want it to. It's the general peasantry. You must have their permission. To do that they put out this shit about coming war. War will come...but under the pretense of that evil nutter Bush...the U.N will have the moral high ground and U.S peasants will be begging for Blue Hats to restore order.

China is in such serious internal trouble they face massive rioting and general chaos. They have 800 million "useless eaters" in the central provinces who object to gigantic dams flooding there ancestoral homes. The Chinese Elite have been hoping for a massive Flu outbreak to knock them all off. For all we know it could already have started in their.

By any measure of war capacity China has zilch. It cannot project it's power. It's armed forces are geared towards internal security with a tip of high tech that the U.S would knock flat in 5 minutes...or 6 if they are dunking donuts while pressing red buttons.

The 800 pound gorilla continues to be Uncle Sam and will not be ending any time soon. The U.S may not be able to occupy a country...but they can sure bomb the fuck out one. There is nothing more relished by U.S generals than the chance to annihalate China with the U.S conventional arsenal backed up by a massive nuke cover.

So what..China throws over a few nukes...for the Generals, all the better.

truebeliever
09-14-2005, 06:42 AM
Analysis of Global Strategic Threats

I enjoyed the article but it tends towards the West being this helpless, virginal, fair maiden with Russia and the rest of the Mongol hoardes about to pounce on her lovely "helplessness'ness".

I believe they will cower us with plauges and smaller wars and the threat of nuclear war + economic meltdown. If we do not submit to U.N/Socialist rule...then i believe they will be willing to wipe out 2/3rds of the Earth.

I dont however believe that Soverign powers pose ANY threat to the West on their own merit.

Perhaps the point is moot.

Will they still serve lattes down at my favourite cafe by the beach after the showdown?

Who's this in the equation...

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5634/1saint149vb.gif

freeman
09-14-2005, 07:44 AM
FREEMAN...want to know how the U.S could defeat the Chinese tomorrow? They could stop their part in the 50 billion a month direct investment in their economy.

That would also destroy the U. S. economy, which depends upon trading partners like China buying up its worthless treasury bills in order to stay afloat. Remember Saddam and his Euros?
Wish I could share your optimism, but I don't see any way for this NWO plan to succeed with America still intact. The country has to be destoryed both financially and militarily.
This is why the Illuminati through the necons are working so hard to make G. W. Bush the "Great Satan" of the world. When they finally goad Dubya to do the unthinkable (nuclear strike in the Middle East with time runnng out on his regime), no one will care when Vlad Putin and Russia retaliate to neutralize this great, evil entity known as the U. S.
Yes, it CAN happen here.

Nose_Hair
09-27-2005, 02:01 AM
I'd have to agree with freeman. The NWO is using China just as it has been using the US all along. Once its purpose has been fulfilled, discard and destroy.

Look at WWII with Germany and Japan. Germany after WWI was devastated...sure people were angry and willing to have a dictator but they didn't have the money to launch the Third Reich, did they?

Guess who gave them money?

Japan in the early stages was practically hauling their Mitsubishi Zeros in water-buffalo oxcarts, for crying out loud.

Guess who gave them money?

The next stage of the NWO plan is to destroy the West. In the Protocols of the Elders of Zion they plan to reduce the WHOLE world to third world status.

Guess who will give China money?

truebeliever
09-27-2005, 03:46 AM
That would also destroy the U. S. economy, which depends upon trading partners like China buying up its worthless treasury bills in order to stay afloat.

Yes, the U.S sends ALL it's manufacturing to China - things it can build itself - and then gets China to buy it's treasuries to pay for things it could make itself...wah?

My point was that NO soverign nation poses ANY direct military threat to the U.S. China is owned and operated through the anglo/U.S banking establishment. The U.S will be destroyed from within but for the reason of centralising power and bringing U.S peasants to heel so they will be willing cannon fodder for the Globalists. In that I would point one to Thomas Barnett and "The Pentagons New Map".

Wish I could share your optimism, but I don't see any way for this NWO plan to succeed with America still intact. The country has to be destoryed both financially and militarily.

No, they will destroy the U.S economically and socially but with Fabian Socialists like Hillary and the U.N at the helm. The U.S military and cowed peasantry are required for the Globalist plan of installing new "Rule Sets" on recalcitrent Islam and others. The U.N will carry on the Neo-con mission just saying "please" first...with hopefully the full support of the peasantry...after the horrors of Fudamentalist Christians at the helm.

...no one will care when Vlad Putin and Russia retaliate to neutralize this great, evil entity known as the U. S.

No. There are no plans for a "surprise" attack by Russia on the U.S. All of this "war talk" in the sense of "individually" motivated nations with a genuine grudge is pure theater. A few dispenable nations may get new car parks and everyone will shit their pants and demand the U.N step in. No doubt lotsa "13 Days" type drama...but no real war.

With the combination of "Global Warming" weather disasters, threats of all out war and "Supavolcanoes", to be sure it may be enough to bring the U.N into REAL power with a moral mandate.

If during the next few years there is enough resistence to GENUINE U.N rule then I'm sure they will let loose the Nukes around 2011-12 but in a planned and co-ordinated fashion.

There is no genuine self motivated "enemy" facing the U.S. Just 250 million of it's own restless peasants.

Nose_Hair
09-27-2005, 08:10 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, truebeliever.

I guess yeah, it would be far more practical for the NWO to weaken the US from within rather than spending to build up the other nations such as China and Russia. I had always thought it would be unfair that foreign troops would be used to police the US, to become cannon-fodder to the rednecks and militia.

The scenario you spelt out--though I meant no ill to American people--does make some karmic sense, if you believe in karma.

truebeliever
09-27-2005, 08:27 PM
Thanks for clearing that up, truebeliever.

Well, i believe i'm basically right. But that does'nt make me right. Nah...lets face it, i'm right and everyone else is wrong. Why pretend.8-)

The scenario you spelt out--though I meant no ill to American people--does make some karmic sense, if you believe in karma.

Well, no. If the American people knew what was going on they would definately deserve it. They dont, and in fact if they did there would be lynchings all round.

I personally believe that the U.S is simply not made for Imperialism. It's karma is Cancerian and simply wants to be left alone. The reason the average U.S citizen is'nt interested in the outside world...it must be scared to death into action. And even then it's heart is simply not in it.

We would see a different story if a foreign invader went into the U.S.

The NWO bastion of choice in Asia, as you point out, would be a different story. Australia is made for International Politics. It has a fine military tradition and because of it's Sagitarian nature loves to travel and...kill people. In fact Oz troops do well at placating the locals due to the fairly friendly nature of Australians.

The plan in the long term (if we have one) is to abandon the U.S to itself after sucking it dry and head on Down Under. We will undergo RAPID development both economically, industrially and socially with a massive boost in immigration to get numbers up and over 60-80 million in the next 50-80 years. Oz will play a PIVOTAL factor in enforcing the new "Rule Sets" in Asia...basically overseeing the destruction of their ancient cultural traditions and turning them into widget buyers and factory workers.

If you have money spare...buy up land my friend. Even with a economic collapse the U.S/European/Asian/Jewish Elite are poring in already and bringing their cashola and "contracts" with them.

That is why I will be leaving here or at least majorly lowering my time here. I have to get worthless "money" to buy me some land before I cant afford it!

Best mate.

freeman
09-27-2005, 08:34 PM
Hate to burst the bubble, but I'm not so certain that the U. S. will be destroyed without military intervention. At the least, I suspect there will be a preemptive strike to destroy America's strikeback capability.
Keep in mind that there are now credible estimates that at least 60% of the currenty American military are opposed to Bush and suspect the truth about 9/11 and the war on terror. These are true patrtiots and nationalists who will not knuckle under to outside control. While they may be useful to the NWO in terms of initiating the revolution, their power base must be neutralized before the country can be overrun with black shirts.
I believe that Putin will be designated by the European Union to perform this nuclear action on the part of the NWO. That is why they are cleaning up his image now and making him look like some sort of pro-nationalist, anti-NWO hero.

truebeliever
09-27-2005, 09:32 PM
Hate to burst the bubble..

Would'nt do that would you? If you do I'll report you to the U.N for "Bubble Bursting Hatred Crime"!

Keep in mind that there are now credible estimates that at least 60% of the currenty American military are opposed to Bush and suspect the truth about 9/11 and the war on terror. These are true patrtiots and nationalists who will not knuckle under to outside control.

I agree. And thats the point. Bush has done his job. He has shown the danger of "nationalism" and "militarism" and "religious fundamentalism". Half the Pentagon have served as "Blue Hats" and in fact if you hav'nt done some "Blue Hat" time you wont be getting to far up the chain.

If the "nationalists" and "patriots" wont knuckle under they will be simply framed and shot (just what are 'those' camps for?)...as a danger to universal brotherhood...and peace. After Bush and a few nukes flying and the kiddies cowering under the kitchen table and the threatened loss of middle class widgets do you think anyone would give a damn about those "kooky" patriots? "Shoot them, shoot them shoot them" will be the cry as we are marched to the Gulags. "Yeah for the U.N!!!!" Will be the cry of the relieved masses...widgets safe and secure, "Ipods" safe in the toasty warm house now heated by all that new technology that they just "found". Hidden by those "nasty" corporations who the U.N sure sorted out with the nationalising of all wealth and above all power..."i LUUUUUUUVVVV the U.N". Who can compete with that?

But then I agree with you...if STILL there is resistence...all out nukes flying by 2011-12...

If during the next few years there is enough resistence to GENUINE U.N rule then I'm sure they will let loose the Nukes around 2011-12 but in a planned and co-ordinated fashion.

My point was made to combat the frame of mind that says China or Russia will be acting "spontaneously" in some sort of "unfortunate" war when it will be completely contrived and organised.

I dont think we actually disagree.

Saturnino
09-28-2005, 06:55 AM
TB,

You said no nation can face the US militarily. I agree.
UNLESS...this scalar weapons thing is true and only Russia has it.

truebeliever
09-28-2005, 09:07 AM
You said no nation can face the US militarily. I agree.
UNLESS...this scalar weapons thing is true and only Russia has it.

Russia is amazing sometimes as they are willing to go where others wont. They make great discoveries out of sheer nescessity. They are not as "controlled" as mainstream Western Science.

However, there is 3 trillion missing from the Pentagon Budget. It went somewhere. The Yanks are willing to get into some weired shit...alot because of Operation Paper Clip and heavy German influence. The Germans were way out in front of so many things during WW2...there is something in the German psyche that can think way out of the box. Take Wolfgang Pauli and the Quantum Physicists, way out of the box compared to Einstein who seemed way out enough at the time.

I truly think "they" work together like multiple peas in the pod with VERY little differences between each other. The conspiracy is Internationalist in nature. When it happens I believe it will be with complete contrivance.

freeman
09-28-2005, 01:06 PM
I dont think we actually disagree.

No, we don't really.
Before the one world government can be implemented, America must be weakened, discredited and destroyed. Bush is fulfilling his preordained role in bringing this about.
The NWO will capture the "moral high ground" and convinced everyone that they are the good guys, the saviors, before they make their move. On all of these points I think we agree.
The United States must be destroyed both financially and militarily. The latter simply implies that U. S. nuclear superiority must be undermined somehow. This is not as difficult as one might think. Keep in mind how much the Israeli Mossad's rogue elements have penetrated America's DOD network. Some of the Pentagon's computer and communications euipment has been designed and/or operated by Israeli subcontractors. They know our defense system better than we do, especially its glitches and vulnerabilities. 9/11 proved that. It would be relatively simple for them to devise a way to take our nukes offline, maybe without even a preemptive strike. But most likely there will be a phyical surprise attack against some key elements of the grid that will render the rest of the system impotent.
Whatever internal patriotic resistance still exists at that point will be forced to capitulate, with the realization that they are outgunned without a nuclear arsenal to back up the threat of any further opposition.
That is what I'm saying.

Saturnino
09-28-2005, 02:33 PM
Freeman,
I seriously doubt we are going to see the US capitulate. The most patriotic of all nations, by far. I remember going to an air show in the US, and I felt like I was in a Nazi parade...I mean, so much excitement and patriotism. Fourth of July, what a party...well, suffice to say in Brazil independence day means only a day off.
Even Hillary has to say she is pro-war if she wants any future in politics. I can even see the US with total socialist government internally, but the foreign policy changed ?...only in case of total disaster, nuke attack or massive earthquakes.

Thumper
09-28-2005, 04:51 PM
Aren't we going off on the wrong premise here? To assume that National Interests are still the polarizing force in this world?

Was it in England's best interest to start a war with Germany??? And yet someone's agenda superceded so-called 'National Interests' and Hitler's every entreaty towards peace was rejected.

If the Globalists need a catalyzing event for maximum destruction, I see no reason why they wouldn't prompt a nuclear war between the US and China.

09-28-2005, 06:26 PM
In case you were wondering, I was thinking today that Russia and the US work together.

truebeliever
09-29-2005, 12:10 AM
In case you were wondering, I was thinking today that Russia and the US work together.

Well yes, and thats the point.

Again I dont disagree with you except on somantics FREEMAN.

When you say..."dismantle the U.S militarily.." why bother? If you have control of the Pentagon through the influence of the NWO internationalist arm why would you need to nuke the U.S to "dismantle" it?

Is'nt 5th column techniques the way? White ant it from within?

In reality, most of the U.S is "liberal" in nature. I mean just look at it! The U.N will have NO problem getting the specific agenda through. It will use Americans to do it. Why nuke?

Already, VAST swathes of the U.S population (and Oz and U.K too) voice and have internalized the basic tennants of the Internationalist agenda. I can put the basic agneda of the NWO program to 100 people on the street and they basically agree with it...religion is bad and causes problems, humans are inherently stupid and need to be culled, baby fur seals are cute and need places to live, the government is basically good, people who talk outside of "mainstream" news are on the whole "whacko's"...

How hard will it be for them?

That being said, what you have said with regards Israeli influence and subversion within the Pentagon is true. I think it can happen because the average American believes U.S and Isareli interests are the same. Materialists get on just fine...so they do.

Again. I basically agree.

freeman
09-29-2005, 05:38 AM
I could be overly optimistic, but I believe there is a strong patriot movement still alive in this country, and much of it is vested within the military. They haven't all been corrupted by the Freemasonic Roman orgies that Kay Briggs describes. These are the guys who countermanded Cheney's stand down order and shot down the last plane before it could hit the Capitol building and give Dubya an excuse to impose martial law. These are the guys who are being relieved of duty after thirty years of spotless service under spurious allegations of "marital infidelity", because they have been caught planning a possible coup attempt.
These are the guys who will be instrumental in eventually bringing down the neocon regime, I also believe --- but sadly, in the process they will be doing just as the NWO planned. They will be exploited as "useful idots" until the revolution is well underway. Then they must be neutralized. The quickest way to accomplish this would be to disarm the nuclear grid. At that point, knowing what they know, they will back down and hand the country over to the UN and the sheeple. They will have no choice as true patriots. Just as Sitting Bull finally surrendered when he perceived the odds were overwhelming and the only alternative was the utter genocide of his people.
This is what I'm saying. Israel hasn't been nosing around inside our defense grid just to kill time. Chandra Levy found that out.

truebeliever
09-29-2005, 06:01 AM
Fair enough. Quite possible.

But again...if they're out there...where are they? You know how criminal the Neo-cons are and...not a squeak.

The average pleb in the Pentagon loves it. They believe that 9-11 was an unfortunate covert op but inevitable as the average Yank slob cannot grasp the danger of Islamists till it is at their throats. This is Chomsky's analysis of American foreign policy in "Manufacturing Consent". That the Elite believe they must lead the public by the nose because they lack the ability to think ahead and see danger in time.

I assure you MANY of these possible patriots in the Pentagon have rationalised that 9-11 was unfortunate but what else could Bush do? The American public simply cannot grasp the danger they are in against Muslim Fundamentalism...sad, but nescessary to motivate the American public before danger closes in...blah, blah, blah.

If Bush and Co + Israel set off a biggie then yes, they could have a coup on their hands which is why i've stated that i believe Americans dying in large numbers unlikely.

I put in a post on 26th Febuary 2005 this... (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=891&forum=14&post_id=7384&PHPSESSID=e13d0a77a1bf9799fca031cad8dab600#forumpo st7384)

P.S...cant believe I forgot about their TRUMP CARD!

Natural disasters! Asteroid collisions and MAYBE...a Hollywood production of Close Encounters.

Oh that HAARP just keeps on singing!

The average military man LOVES order. He LOVES totalitarianism. He will take it, but he will not take millions of Americans dead to do it. 3000 is acceptable.

Time will tell.

littlejohn
10-28-2005, 08:54 AM
You missed some good articles about China thought I would share.

Ok so Hall isnt my favortie source but it does sound beleiveable.

http://www.halturnershow.com/ChineseDefenseMinisterTalksWarAgainstUS.html

Asia times has several good articles about China I do recomend reading some of them this one is about an aparent partnership with China Russia and Iran.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GF04Ad07.html


This is an article by the Washington Times about how China has been building its millitary at breakneck speeds in the last decade aparently withouth the US knowing it. Makes me wonder how much more they have hidden.


http://www.washtimes.com/specialreport/20050626-122138-1088r.htm

Thiers lots more around if you dig. Obviously they are worried about the Neocons as I would be in their shoes.
LittleJohn

Bouncer
10-28-2005, 10:47 AM
Wow. And I'll say it backwards: wow.
Truly devastating, if true. In fact, if you read SunTzu and the Five Rings then you will agree that to the Chinese secrecy and deception are the most important aspects of victory in warfare. Hmmmm, what a coincidence!

I've always had a suspicion about the Chinese, starting shortly after the accidental(!) bombing of the embassy back in the late 90's.
When they make small talk with North Korea, well OK; but when they make overtures to Russia, hey wait a minute, what's going on here? If in fact they are also talking to Tehran then I must point out that all of these other countries have nukes in common, as well as a common enemy . . .

Could those mysterious "tuning forks" guiding the recent hurricanes in fact be from Chinese technology?

Draken
10-28-2005, 11:23 AM
Not to mention India, another nuclear nation, which is also in this alliance.

madkhao
10-28-2005, 04:51 PM
Matthew 24:6-13

When hell is surrounding you, will you be able to rise above it and have PEACE OF MIND?

truebeliever
10-28-2005, 08:36 PM
People, people! Lend me your ears! Or at least your ocular capacity for one short momento!

Their are 3 things I am sure of...my gut is getting bigger but not if I hold it in more. The best souvlaki's are at Peters By The Sea in Scarborough and China poses a threat to no one.

Chine EXISTS on 50 billion a month of foreign investment...nearly all from the U.S and Europe. Pull it...China is NO MORE! Tell me you get it? Please tell me you get it?

The giant armed forces are mainly for internal security of which China is suffering heavily as the peasantry is getting pissed off that 800 million are getting no peice of the pie...and how do we distract our peasantry? You talk up war with a foreign power.

Their weapons systems on the whole are antiquated by U.S standards. Should the U.S decide to take out China's air defence systems tomorrow and wipe out it's air force, they will do it before morning tea. Raptor fighters and even old f-15's will fire off salvo after salvo of AMRAAM missiles which have so far exhibited 1 for 1 kill. First time, every time under all conditions. They are soon to be based in Oz. Which is why they must beat up China to get the bases where they want and keep the defence funding going.

Simply forget China. The show is for you and the Chinese peasantry. Do any of you for one second believe the Communist Elite thugs in China want a war of annhialtion with the mightiest power to EVER grace the Earth? What is it with Americans? They have this continued image of themselves as vestile virgins, defenceless and about to be raped from a foreign source...you are not a vestal virgin, you're a 300 pound professional wrestler with attitude. Get it? Do ANY of you know the capacities of the U.S military to fight conventional warfare? I mean ANY of you? Just because the yanks are getting their butts kicked in an insurgency does not mean for one moment China stands a chance. China will be ANNHIALATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! China has 200-300 nuclear weapons. U.S 7000!!!!!!! So what if China has a 3 million man army, the U.S has plenty of cluster bombs to wipe out row after any like row of them.

You are all supposed to be astute observers and NOT falling for this shit. Educate yourselves for Christs sake.

madkhao
10-28-2005, 09:58 PM
Agh!

What the hell do I know, I don't live in China.
I don't know if they propagandate their militia all over the media over there like the Americans do over here. As if I could know for certain who is more armed and if the two will war. All I know and believe are the prophecies, and to me, the US and China fits the description. It could be Canada and Russia for all I know.

BAH-HA-HA!

How do I know the media doesn't show the one broken boat that Canada has to the world and is publicly being undermined to appear defenseless. Likewise, how do I know the 'superpowers' are really. Whoever instigates and how large the armies are doesn't even matter. The outcome is planned already anyways and the media will show the "winners" and "losers" as THEY see it.

truebeliever
10-28-2005, 10:57 PM
All i'm saying is that China is where China is because thats the way the Western powers want her, and at the appropriate time they will dispense with her which perhaps leads us back to square one and in the end in actual agreement.

That the Chinese Elite could be so stupid surprises me and really leaves me to believe that they are "in on it".

They could easily benefit from a limited nuclear exchange with large portions of their non-productive citizenry gotton rid of and after 1o-15 years the background radiation would be minimal in the central provinces where most of the weaponry will be aimed...just like they left the internal security apparatus of Saddam intact.

That the world is headed for a showdown i have no doubt. Just dont believe it is some 'natural' progression. WW3 will be COMPLETELY manufactured with the FULL co-operation of the local Elites who have everything to gain...complient populations well and truly under the thumb with their power base intact. Who cares if you answer to Washington or Jerusalem if you run an ENTIRE country and have so much power you dont know what to do with yourself.