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Barbara
09-21-2005, 10:23 AM
On The Coming Revolution

September 17, 2005
By TygrBright

The spirits of Edgar Cayce, the Delphic Oracle, and Alvin Toffler have possessed me lately, and I am moved to prognosticate. It's hard not to let the light, ironic tone seep into my voice, but do not be fooled by this. I am dead serious, and I have a conviction that my perception is an accurate extrapolation of real future events if no actions are taken deliberately to forestall or change those events.

And what I see is Revolution.

Robert Heinlein characterized revolution as "a freak, a mutant, a monstrosity, its conditions never to be repeated and its operations carried out by amateurs and individuals." A colorful way of saying that, like Tolstoy's unhappy families, each is unique. The coming revolution, therefore, won't look like the Boston Tea Party, or the rush to the barricades in 1789, or the storming of the Winter Palace in 1917. It won't even look like the labor unrest of the 1920s or the long, hot summers of the 1960s in America. I don't know what it will look like, exactly. But revolution, real revolution, is rarely pretty.

Me, I'd prefer to be a parlor Pink. I don't like violence, I don't like people thinking they know better (even when they do) and being willing to impose their 'knowing better' by any kind of force. I prefer the voice of sweet reason, enlightened self-interest, and simple, but all too rare, logic. But as every physician knows, there comes a point in the course of a malady where gentle, non-invasive methods can no longer suffice, and the choice is between radical therapies or letting the patient die.

America is progressing toward that point, and we are picking up speed. There are still places where we can make choices, take alternate routes, save ourselves the pain and risk, but as we gather momentum from day to day, our choices are narrowing and the options are diminishing.

No, I'm not wearing a tinfoil hat. Crying wolf, exaggerating, awfulizing are not my normal idioms. But the evidence is piling up. Doesn't anyone else see it? It's not rocket science: Revolutions happen when a critical mass of the citizenry feel (not think, necessarily, but feel,) that they have no other way to secure the future they expect, the future to which they feel entitled, than to take direct action to make fundamental structural change in their government. Those expectations change from generation to generation, from place to place, and even from social stratum to social stratum. But when a sufficient number of people reach that conclusion, the change will happen.

America has been staving it off for some decades, now. We came very close to real revolution in the first quarter of the 20th Century; the Progressive movement and, ultimately, the New Deal reversed the tide. Post-WWII economic prosperity delayed it further, but things began to unravel again in the 1960s. The Great Society attempted to recapitulate the earlier success of the New Deal, but the haves and the have-mores didn't have enough conviction to sustain the momentum. The Reagan Reaction changed America's direction and began the slide back toward the levels of social inequity and frustration that foster revolution.

The 1990s may have briefly masked those conditions with a high fever of unsustainable capitalist expansion, but with the collapse of that bubble, the underlying problems have only become more acute. More and more Americans are starting to notice, and we will soon reach that critical mass. Disturbingly, the disaffection is now spreading so widely that small band-aid measures aimed at this group or that group are not only ineffective, they pose a risk of increasing dissatisfaction.

The Poor

Nothing much has changed for the poor; but then, nothing ever does. The poor alone do not make a revolution, but their numbers and the bitterness of their commitment once aroused (combined with the scary reality that they have, literally, nothing to lose no investment at all in the status quo that leaves them at the bottom of the heap) make them the natural shock troops of revolution those most likely to engage in violent and destructive action. They become a factor when enough other citizens begin to see revolution as the only viable option. The numbers of the poor are again on the rise, and the erosion of "last resort" social safety net programs is increasing their sense of misery, futility, and injustice.

The Working Class

The working class is not the decisive factor in the development of revolution, especially since there is often a strong mutual antipathy between them and the poor, an antipathy that prevents them from making common cause until conditions have deteriorated beyond their ability to tolerate. But the American working class has been losing ground for thirty years. They are fast losing hope that successive generations will do better economically, and indeed, are increasingly seeing the traditional American dream of social mobility as a mocking and unreachable chimera. Current issues of immigration, job loss, the loss in real value of wages, the vanishing social safety net and the increasing unavailability of affordable housing and health care are escalating their discontent.

The Middle Class

The huge bulge of middle-class baby boomers is facing retirement. They grew up with the expectation that they would follow their parents' pattern, and even improve upon it. They expected comfortable retirement at 65, without worries about how to obtain health care, housing, etc. That expectation is being increasingly confounded as defined benefit pension plans are looted, the value of Social Security loses ground against inflation, Social Security itself is threatened, and fast-escalating costs for health care, transportation, and housing spiral upwards. They, too, see the vanishing probability that their children will be able to even retain the economic ground they staked out for their families, much less make any gains.

The Professional Class

Doctors are sinking under a sea of "managed care" paperwork, rising costs and declining revenues. Teachers are losing satisfaction in their jobs as the creativity and passion is leached away by legislative and religious mandates. Scientists are confronting a new Dark Age of ideological suppression and distortion, combined with the heavy hand of capitalism directing them away from creative discovery and pure research. Artists are confronted by the new Puritanism, growing tolerance for censorship, and the increasing control of creative outlets by commercial interests. This comparatively small segment of the population nevertheless represents a key resource-a resource that is becoming increasingly disconnected from any investment in the status quo.

Thus far, the controlling classes have been able to keep the critical mass from developing by setting these various groups against one another, fomenting class warfare amongst them and playing shell games with blame. But as conditions continue to deteriorate, the sustained fury a-building will forge alliances among key segments of each group. The critical mass will coalesce, perhaps with terrifying suddenness.

Perhaps revolution really is the only way to restore the American Dream of a just, equitable society offering opportunity, social mobility, and a basic standard of living to all. But I shudder when I think of the price. I remember Kent State, I remember the long, hot summers. I've studied history and I know the kinds of body counts and horrors that even 'successful' revolutions produce. It's possible to re-create a society without that massive upheaval-many European countries have done it; the British Empire devolved successfully without blood in the streets of London. The Czech Republic and Slovakia have re-invented themselves.

I wish I could see America following a similar course, but right now all I see is the gathering storm. The thunder on the right is only a faint, distant rolling now, but it gets closer and more ominous every year.

Is anybody listening?

Marsali
09-21-2005, 12:38 PM
So, Barbara, what is your own personal take on "revolution?"

Marsali
09-21-2005, 01:11 PM
What kind of revolution, if any, would you like to see take place?

Barbara
09-21-2005, 01:16 PM
Revolution is another means to an end, usually a bloody one, one I would not choose first or second or even third, if given a choice.

For decades in this glorious democracy, people have expended great effort in bringing about change through the ballot box, only to find that they have been betrayed by those they voted in to represent them.

Impeachment is very difficult to bring about, on any level of government, meaning we are stuck with whomever for 2-4 years minimum. It is a given that the patience of even the most patient will be exhausted as is indicated by the low voter turnout in elections held, say, in the last decade.

Generally speaking, those who have been promised the most will get out and vote for "their guy/gal" and those whose money is being taken and redistributed are so disgusted that they have withdrawn from the whole process.

These two groups alone auger well for a revolution. Those on the receiving end want more and more and become dissatisfied if this doesn't happen. Those who pay for it will ultimately be bled dry and survival instincts will kick in, prompting them to consider extreme measures.

Add to this mixture the agents prevacature, paid and waiting for just this scenario to develope - instant revolution! A third world country stands more of a chance of bringing about real change through revolution than does a first world country. Here, the revolution will be stolen and used to usher in the New World Order.

They will allow several months of chaos to reign and then they will declare martial law and all groups will find themselves in the concentration camps built especially for American citizens long ago.

We are between a rock and a hard place. Heads they win, tails we loose. BUT, we have to do something; I, for one, would rather die on my feet fighting for a better world for my children than to sit on my ass and do nothing when action is required. We just have to do it the smart way.
Make them fight us house to house and street to street. Look at Vietnam and Iraq and take a lesson.

freeman
09-21-2005, 01:27 PM
Here, the revolution will be stolen and used to usher in the New World Order.

They will allow several months of chaos to reign and then they will declare martial law and all groups will find themselves in the concentration camps built especially for American citizens long ago.


Yes, that is exactly how I see it.

We are between a rock and a hard place. Heads they win, tails we loose. BUT, we have to do something; I, for one, would rather die on my feet fighting for a better world for my children than to sit on my ass and do nothing when action is required. We just have to do it the smart way.
Make them fight us house to house and street to street. Look at Vietnam and Iraq and take a lesson.

...I hope we get that much of a chance.
:-?

Marsali
09-21-2005, 01:43 PM
So you're saying that it will be a problem between the "haves" and "have nots," and that the "haves" will ultimately get so fed up that they will start a revolution.
That sounds reasonable enough. I'm trying to think of other revolutions that have taken place under those circumstances, but nothing quite comes to mind yet....

Thumper
09-21-2005, 02:01 PM
just to be clear, this isn't a "worker's revolution" right? :-P :-P :-P

psholtz
09-21-2005, 02:45 PM
I'm quite certain there will be a revolution at some point, sooner rather than later, most likely..

Barbara
09-21-2005, 02:56 PM
By the time a revolution takes place in this country, there will be no "haves" except the top 1% and their hangers-on.

The housing bubble is pedicted to burst in the near future, sending people with families scrambling for a roof over their heads.

I watched a PBS special last night on the outsourcing of American jobs and was amazed at the sheer numbers of jobs that no longer exist in America that were outsourced to India and China. Great news!! There are thousands of new BILLIONAIRS in India and China.

The idiot who wrote a book on this subject even dared to predict that this would be a positive thing for the people of the United States.

As more and more "immigrants," legal and mostly illegal, enter this country they put an extra strain on already strained social services paid for by tax dollars that are dwindling as the job market dwindles. They have already gotten militant in CA when they didn't get what they felt was their right as some hospitals were forced for lack of funding to close their doors.

The instances I have mentioned are not the only ones that will ultimately result in revolution. There is the race issue that is a multi-headed hydra and will only add to the mix. If none of those groups mentioned manage to light the fuse under this powder keg on which we as a country are perched, the NWO crowd will supply the matches and light it themselves.

Thumper and Marceli, only if you are victims of a public school "education" can I understand your flippant comments, that is if I understand them correctly. While the revolution will not be televised, it will be bloody and few will escape unscathed. I can't bring myself to be flippant about that.

I did not post this article to engage the uninformed in debate. As with all my posts, they are there to generate thought on the part of the reader. If you think they have no merit, that is your right, so be it.

Thank you for taking the time to at least read it. You are now more informed than you were before.

Marsali
09-21-2005, 03:17 PM
I appreciate your clarifications, Barbara. I asked my questions because you often post articles without any personal commentary.
While we all here come from various backgrounds and may have different opinions, we are not uninformed.
This is a conspiracy forum; flippancy happens.

Barbara
09-21-2005, 03:26 PM
You are absolutely right and I take this opportunity to appologize, both to you and Thumper.

09-21-2005, 03:46 PM
Okay, when do we FLIPPANT out????

:lol: 8-) :lol: 8-) :-P :-x

Saturnino
09-21-2005, 04:06 PM
A question for the Americans: do you really believe that there will be a revolution ? Do you feel that people are becoming more aggressive, desperate, selfish ?
I left the the US in 2001 and society was pretty much controlled and orderly. In fact, much more than in other countries I know. For me, it is still easier to see the US as a big dictatorship, with everybody following the orders, than having a revolution.
But things may have changed.

psholtz
09-21-2005, 04:13 PM
Saturnino wrote:
A question for the Americans: do you really believe that there will be a revolution ? Do you feel that people are becoming more aggressive, desperate, selfish ?
I left the the US in 2001 and society was pretty much controlled and orderly. In fact, much more than in other countries I know. For me, it is still easier to see the US as a big dictatorship, with everybody following the orders, than having a revolution.
But things may have changed.
I believe we've strayed very far from where we're supposed to be as a nation (as per the founding documents of this country), and I don't think we can restore the original (Constitutional) order to this country w/o a rather massive Revolution.

It will still take a lot more "waking up", on the part of the general American populace, before we're ready for this, however. In the meantime, know that those in power in Washington are some of the most murderous criminals who have ever taken power anywhere, and that evil (inevitably) always winds up destroying itself. Once those in Washington have - through their own incompetence and treachery - succeeded in finally killing themselves off, there will be a power vacuum created in Washington which will create conditions ripe for a (Second) Revolution that will bring forth the (Second) Republic (I date the death of the First American Repubilc somewhere around 1913, just before the World Wars began).

09-21-2005, 04:29 PM
I agree in that it will take a MAJOR waking up of the people.

A vast majority of our population does not feel threatened or believe that a "corrupt" government exists.

They display sometimes the characteristics of autism (living in their own world/universe). Although they possess the ability to communicate and verbalize, they are more cognizant and aware of their own reality which has been created for them in order to affect this "state of mind."

In addition, many people are fearful of expressing their discontent with our government. We have been conditioned to believe that accusing our President/highest level ranking individuals in the government of crimes is not only a disgrace to America, but threatens our world superiority and security.

Only other countries are capable of placing corrupt and brutal dictators in power.

This, of course, the outcome of decades of MASS mind control.

Without them, our glorious country would crumble.

Perhaps, this is what they want YOU to believe, but, in the end this is what must happen.

The fall of the EMPIRE/DYNASTY!!!

freeman
09-21-2005, 04:50 PM
I left the the US in 2001 and society was pretty much controlled and orderly. In fact, much more than in other countries I know. For me, it is still easier to see the US as a big dictatorship, with everybody following the orders, than having a revolution.
But things may have changed.

Check out chapter 15 of Dickens' immortal A Tale of Two Cities:

Knitting (http://www.literature.org/authors/dickens-charles/two-cities/book-02/chapter-15.html)

Thins are not always as they seem on the surface, Saturnino.

Marsali
09-21-2005, 05:02 PM
One of the problems with revolution is that they aren't, I don't think, usually started by the "people." Think of how communism was sold to the Russians and the rest of the world as being a movement of the people, or the proletariat, when it was nothing of the sort.

It can be really hard to tell who is really behind any revolution until it's too late.
And people often don't really want them. George Washington had a really hard time getting soldiers to fight, at first, in his little hungry and ragged army. Wasn't it France who eventually helped out?

I would love to see a return of a legitimate government here in the U.S., but would a revolution guarantee that that would happen?

Saturnino
09-21-2005, 06:12 PM
Thins are not always as they seem on the surface, Saturnino.[/quote]

That's why I am asking the opinion of you, insiders !

truebeliever
09-21-2005, 08:50 PM
Apparently Christ is making a come back and is putting on his hob nailed boots as we speak. Apparently He does'nt want to dirty his sandals when He starts kicking ass!

I hope it's true.

If it's all just metaphor, then...

Though i have encouraged armed rebellion in the worst case scenario (defending ones self from ski mask goons) you cannot do it alone. Strong communities of well informed citizens are whats needed.

Form COMMUNITIES! Find like minded individuals who share your values and move near them, preferably on land where you can grow your own food and live as independantly as possible.

When people see you living well they will know the TRUTH.

You cannot do it alone.

Thumper
09-21-2005, 09:31 PM
Saturnino wrote:
A question for the Americans: do you really believe that there will be a revolution ? Do you feel that people are becoming more aggressive, desperate, selfish ?
I left the the US in 2001 and society was pretty much controlled and orderly. In fact, much more than in other countries I know. For me, it is still easier to see the US as a big dictatorship, with everybody following the orders, than having a revolution.
But things may have changed.good point.

I've always wondered how much of mainstream history that we're taught was 'real' and how much was promulgated by the NWO. :-o

Wiking
09-27-2005, 07:29 PM
Hi Barbara. I'm new to the board and being a bit reserved in my comments until I've spent some time observing the opinions expressed here, but wanted you to know that I am listening and appreciate your post.

Wiking
09-27-2005, 07:30 PM
For my brief introduction, please see my post in the Lounge "New Here."

Barbara
09-27-2005, 08:38 PM
Thank you, Wiking, and welcome to the Club. I'm sure everyone is as delighted as I am that you have chosen to join us. I look forward to your input.

From your brief intro there's no doubt, as BlueAngel said, you will fit right in. This site is intellectually stimulating and, no matter how many times I visit, I never fail to either learn something new or get a new insight.

Welcome aboard! :-D