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truebeliever
09-22-2005, 01:46 AM
DRAK...just watched the last bit on Ickes Barneby Travelling Road Show! What a COMPLETE load of shit!

The man is OBVIOUSLY a plant...and not a very good one! He is OBVIOUSLY lying and VERY anxious when he gets onto the subject of his reptiles. He is anxious because he KNOWS he is spinning complete shit.

Somewhere on a hard drive are images of Icke and some little boys. He is a compromised idiot.

How in Gods name has this man attained ANY credibility? How? He has taken a grab bag of new age shit, mixed it with some new age physics and thrown in some pot talk me and me mates used to mumble under the power of the mowie wowie.

This man should have been laughed out of time/space existence YEARS AGO!

There is a particular quote from Jim Garrison when another "Illuminati Spin Doctor" tried to explain the path of a bullet that was IMPOSSIBLE through the use of fancy physics...

"Theoretical physics can prove that an elephant can hang from a cliff with it's tail tied to a Daisy, but use you're eyes, you're common sense".

I will no longer get angry when confronted by an idiot who's only reference is Icke. Icke relies on bringing together an ecclectic grab bag of this and that to confuse the eye and muddle the thought process's until you actually utter those immortal words..."well, we must keep an open mind".

I now officially pity "Ickarians". They are a pathetic grouping of starved for information Ethiopians. If they take the time to peruse this site they might actually get themselves a decent feed of organic vege's with a small serve of compassionately killed red meat.

People...he is a "stooge". No more, no less. May a bus on the correct "frequency" mow him down...of course as our dear David likes to say...it does'nt matter baby coz it's ALL an Illusion!!!! It will pass straight through him, right Icke?

The Illuminati is RUBBING it in your face with this guy.

psholtz
09-22-2005, 01:49 AM
Of course Icke is a plant..

Anybody who mixes genuine criticism of the Federal Reserve (in Chapter 3) alongside Shape-Shifting Lizard People (in Chapter 4) *has* to be on CIA payroll.. This is precisely how the Establishment discredits legitimate criticism of its activities (by juxtaposing those criticisms next to outlandish claims like Icke's ... so that if you go out in the real world and try to educate people about the Fed, the public will think you *must* believe in lizard people as well).. :-P

psholtz
09-22-2005, 01:52 AM
truebeliever wrote:
May a bus on the correct "frequency" mow him down..
Now that's funny! :-P

truebeliever
09-22-2005, 01:57 AM
Well yes.

But to see a room full of fools lapping up shit and telling you it's mother milk is disconcerting.

I am not saying this for effect but I am truly shocked by how this guy got ANY credibility.

Alex Jones should never have allowed him on his show and in fact Jones should pummel him from dawn till dusk as the blatent stooge he is.

I personally dont want anyone who believes Ickes infantile crap on the side of freedom lovers. They are a hinderence and in effect giving energy to the other side by even giving a sideways glance at this guy.

The idiocy of it all!

Bush must be laughing himself silly.

nomad
09-22-2005, 05:16 AM
psholtz wrote:
Of course Icke is a plant..

Anybody who mixes genuine criticism of the Federal Reserve (in Chapter 3) alongside Shape-Shifting Lizard People (in Chapter 4) *has* to be on CIA payroll.. This is precisely how the Establishment discredits legitimate criticism of its activities (by juxtaposing those criticisms next to outlandish claims like Icke's ... so that if you go out in the real world and try to educate people about the Fed, the public will think you *must* believe in lizard people as well).. :-P

The NWO folks sure know how to protect themselves

they will probably try to make the linkage between

the Lizard people and Private Federal Reserve

widespread to discredit any critism of the Fed ...

the other day I saw his books in a MAIN stream

chain book store ... this is solid proof he's

on their payroll.

freeman
09-22-2005, 05:54 AM
The idiocy of it all!

Bush must be laughing himself silly.

Bush is probably trying to find the zipper on his lizard suit so he can take a leak...

"Condi! Condi! HELP ME!!!

Saturnino
09-22-2005, 07:13 AM
TB,

Interesting that you mentioned Alex Jones, because in the last program he did on Icke, Icke was always trying to push the conversation to new age topics, while Jones kept trying to get anything about the NWO from Icke.

09-22-2005, 05:07 PM
What's wrong tb, don't you want to go with ICKE to the rain forest for a retreat???

I am thoroughly disgusted with people like ICKE who give mind control victims a bad name!!

Money???

Is that what it all comes down to or is he a freakin' mind controlled slave?

nohope187
09-22-2005, 05:48 PM
nevermind :oops:

09-22-2005, 06:10 PM
nohope187 wrote:
nevermind :oops:

Oh, just say it, NOHOPE!!!

09-22-2005, 07:09 PM
BlueAngel wrote:

nohope187 wrote:
nevermind :oops:

Oh, just say it, NOHOPE!!!
BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!![/quote]
BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

BlueAngel Wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'm here, JIMBO, alive, walking this planet, a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and for that I am THANKFUL!!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Mind Control is a SUBJECT of great concern to me because it involves more than just "programming" a slave for some future mission.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When one thinks of mind control they usually equate it to a Manchurian Candidate. That does not even cover the spectrum of what is involved in their programs; particuarly Project Monarch, which is trauma-based.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that government conspiracies are real. I know that our government is corrupt. Both parties. So, if that was their goal for my future, I have no allegiance to either.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I have allegiance to my country. The America that should be!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Maybe people do lie to themselves to mask the reality that they lived, but as far as mind control victims are concerned most times the reality that they lived is so horrific that blocking it was the only way they survived.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
THEY DO NOT REMEMBER and, therefore, are not lying to themselves or anyone else. They can have dozens of alters. Psychological warfare ensues.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Coupled with hypnosis, electricshock, drugs, sleep, water, food, sensory deprivation, etc., etc., etc., false memories implanted doesn't really allow all of the REAL memories and the entire picture to evolve once a victim/survivor is triggered into remembering their past abuse and incarceration in one of these programs.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Trauma too horrible for the mind to endure is FORGOTTEN. Compartmentalized. This, the only way for mind control victims to survive the abuse. The brain's self-defense.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I was replying to NOMAD about the "Whiz Kid" and just making some general remarks as to memories I have as a child that seemed to parallel his experience. I was interested in his story and the fact that he was institutionalized because he was a threat to THEM and not himself.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'd ultimately LOVE to interview him.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
JIMBO, I'm 48 years old...soon to be 49. I only uncovered this past life of mine about four years ago.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
That, my friend, is the essence and depth of mind control. The victim is unaware for decades that they were sujected to such vicious manipulation, control and abuse.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When the memories surface, the question remains for those who are alive and were not killed or snuffed out in porn films. WHY?

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I admire Henry's work. And, by the way, I say "Oh, Henry," like the candy bar.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that there are many more like him who have been working behind the scenes for decades to uncover this CULT.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am open to feedback and any answers you may have are certainly welcome!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

InPeace,
BlueAngel


Wow,... that's pretty wild. I have read about

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
MKULTRA before, sometimes articles written by survivors like yourself, but I never thought I was going to meet anyone that had gone through like what you just described. A lot of bizarre stuff happening in our world. I’m speechless,…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am kind of tired now, but perhaps another time I’ll have the mental energy to continue…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Here are some links you might find interesting.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
The Montauk Project Exposed
"The MONTAUK PROJECT: Underground Videos cover many topics not revealed in the Montauk books. Some topics include: Montauk Project, Crashed Saucers, Paranormal, Brainwashing, Mind Control, Telepathy, Teleportation, Space Time, UFO's, Time Travel, ...and the involvement in the project with Nicola Tesla, Von Neumann, Albert Einstein, Wilhelm Reich, John Huchenson, David Hilbert,The Rainbow Project, Philadelphia Experiment Invisibility, Phoenix Project, ...and Alien Physics: Extra-Terrestrials Contact, Psychic & Metaphysics, Future Reincarnation, Phoenix Project, Hyper Space-Time Tunneling, Teleportation, Alternate Reality, Space Time Manipulation, Past Future Ruins, USS Eldridge, Weather Control, Z-Argon Gases, Altered States of Reality, Auras, Stealth Technology Grays, Pleiadians, Reptilians, Worm Holes, Psychic, Albert Einstein, Atlantis, Crashed Ship, Extraterrestrial Bases, ET's, Reptilian, Illuminati Alchemy, Hilga Marro, Alien Magnetic Field, Zero-Time Frame, Time Travel, Akashic Artifacts, Vortex, Face of Mars, Ancient Civilizations, Mars Ruins Intelligence, Anomalies, Alien Physics, Secret Societies, Co-Incidence, Nicola Tesla, Paranormal, Psychic Bio-Rhythms, Orion Aliens, Multi-Dimensional Universe, Torus Dimensions, Robert Monroe, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Consciousness, Delta-T Vortex, Quantum Electro Dynamics, Time Waves, Nicola Tesla's Esoteric Functions, Levenston Time, and Zero Time Functions... READ ON..."
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/index.html

8-)[/quote]

09-22-2005, 07:17 PM
Exactly, my resources are in my head.

My knowledge comes from my unwitting and unwilling incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

A government/CIA sponsored trauma-based, mind control program.

09-22-2005, 07:43 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
What's wrong tb, don't you want to go with ICKE to the rain forest for a retreat???

I am thoroughly disgusted with people like ICKE who give mind control victims a bad name!!

Money???

Is that what it all comes down to or is he a freakin' mind controlled slave?
Like you
BlueAngel wrote:
Obviously, you believe your behavior to be mature.

Obviously, it is not!![/quote][/quote]
We Learned this behavior from you are you therefore less than mature or do you not like your game being played with you as you do with others.

09-22-2005, 08:54 PM
Leviathan wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
What's wrong tb, don't you want to go with ICKE to the rain forest for a retreat???

I am thoroughly disgusted with people like ICKE who give mind control victims a bad name!!

Money???

Is that what it all comes down to or is he a freakin' mind controlled slave?
Like you
BlueAngel wrote:
Obviously, you believe your behavior to be mature.

Obviously, it is not!![/quote]
We Learned this behavior from you are you therefore less than mature or do you not like your game being played with you as you do with others.[/quote]

No, unlike me would be more LIKE it!

09-23-2005, 02:14 AM
Leviathan wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:

nohope187 wrote:
nevermind :oops:

Oh, just say it, NOHOPE!!!
BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
BlueAngel, I hope you don’t mind, but this kind of stuff is interesting enough that it deserves its own “thread”.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

BlueAngel Wrote:

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'm here, JIMBO, alive, walking this planet, a survivor of MKULTRA/Project Monarch and for that I am THANKFUL!!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Mind Control is a SUBJECT of great concern to me because it involves more than just "programming" a slave for some future mission.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When one thinks of mind control they usually equate it to a Manchurian Candidate. That does not even cover the spectrum of what is involved in their programs; particuarly Project Monarch, which is trauma-based.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that government conspiracies are real. I know that our government is corrupt. Both parties. So, if that was their goal for my future, I have no allegiance to either.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I have allegiance to my country. The America that should be!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Maybe people do lie to themselves to mask the reality that they lived, but as far as mind control victims are concerned most times the reality that they lived is so horrific that blocking it was the only way they survived.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
THEY DO NOT REMEMBER and, therefore, are not lying to themselves or anyone else. They can have dozens of alters. Psychological warfare ensues.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Coupled with hypnosis, electricshock, drugs, sleep, water, food, sensory deprivation, etc., etc., etc., false memories implanted doesn't really allow all of the REAL memories and the entire picture to evolve once a victim/survivor is triggered into remembering their past abuse and incarceration in one of these programs.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Trauma too horrible for the mind to endure is FORGOTTEN. Compartmentalized. This, the only way for mind control victims to survive the abuse. The brain's self-defense.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I was replying to NOMAD about the "Whiz Kid" and just making some general remarks as to memories I have as a child that seemed to parallel his experience. I was interested in his story and the fact that he was institutionalized because he was a threat to THEM and not himself.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I'd ultimately LOVE to interview him.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
JIMBO, I'm 48 years old...soon to be 49. I only uncovered this past life of mine about four years ago.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
That, my friend, is the essence and depth of mind control. The victim is unaware for decades that they were sujected to such vicious manipulation, control and abuse.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
When the memories surface, the question remains for those who are alive and were not killed or snuffed out in porn films. WHY?

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I admire Henry's work. And, by the way, I say "Oh, Henry," like the candy bar.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I know that there are many more like him who have been working behind the scenes for decades to uncover this CULT.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am open to feedback and any answers you may have are certainly welcome!!

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!

InPeace,
BlueAngel


Wow,... that's pretty wild. I have read about

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
MKULTRA before, sometimes articles written by survivors like yourself, but I never thought I was going to meet anyone that had gone through like what you just described. A lot of bizarre stuff happening in our world. I’m speechless,…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
I am kind of tired now, but perhaps another time I’ll have the mental energy to continue…

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
Here are some links you might find interesting.

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
How to Block Microwave Mind-Programming Signals
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/blockingmwsignals8may03.shtml

BlueAngel wrote:
It's all in my head, as I was told!!!
The Montauk Project Exposed
"The MONTAUK PROJECT: Underground Videos cover many topics not revealed in the Montauk books. Some topics include: Montauk Project, Crashed Saucers, Paranormal, Brainwashing, Mind Control, Telepathy, Teleportation, Space Time, UFO's, Time Travel, ...and the involvement in the project with Nicola Tesla, Von Neumann, Albert Einstein, Wilhelm Reich, John Huchenson, David Hilbert,The Rainbow Project, Philadelphia Experiment Invisibility, Phoenix Project, ...and Alien Physics: Extra-Terrestrials Contact, Psychic & Metaphysics, Future Reincarnation, Phoenix Project, Hyper Space-Time Tunneling, Teleportation, Alternate Reality, Space Time Manipulation, Past Future Ruins, USS Eldridge, Weather Control, Z-Argon Gases, Altered States of Reality, Auras, Stealth Technology Grays, Pleiadians, Reptilians, Worm Holes, Psychic, Albert Einstein, Atlantis, Crashed Ship, Extraterrestrial Bases, ET's, Reptilian, Illuminati Alchemy, Hilga Marro, Alien Magnetic Field, Zero-Time Frame, Time Travel, Akashic Artifacts, Vortex, Face of Mars, Ancient Civilizations, Mars Ruins Intelligence, Anomalies, Alien Physics, Secret Societies, Co-Incidence, Nicola Tesla, Paranormal, Psychic Bio-Rhythms, Orion Aliens, Multi-Dimensional Universe, Torus Dimensions, Robert Monroe, Al Bielek, Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Consciousness, Delta-T Vortex, Quantum Electro Dynamics, Time Waves, Nicola Tesla's Esoteric Functions, Levenston Time, and Zero Time Functions... READ ON..."
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/index.html

8-)[/quote][/quote]

WHAT IS YOUR POINT LEVIATHAN?

carlg1212
09-25-2005, 08:16 AM
psholtz wrote:
Of course Icke is a plant..

Anybody who mixes genuine criticism of the Federal Reserve (in Chapter 3) alongside Shape-Shifting Lizard People (in Chapter 4) *has* to be on CIA payroll.. This is precisely how the Establishment discredits legitimate criticism of its activities (by juxtaposing those criticisms next to outlandish claims like Icke's ... so that if you go out in the real world and try to educate people about the Fed, the public will think you *must* believe in lizard people as well).. :-P

The reptilian theory is an amalgamation of different theories.

Most religions/cultures talk about the Great Flood, where civilization was wiped out and started over. There APPEARED TO BE human hybrids running amuck (in the Bible, the 'fallen ones' mated with earth women who produced the Nephilim, "the men of whom legends were made of").

Icke merely pushes the envelope to the limits. As far as credibility in the eyes of the sheeple goes, I make it a habit to carry around evidence (articles, photos, videos, etc.) in case anyone wants to dispute me. Even then, I'm still a nut.

nomad
09-25-2005, 08:22 AM
So the enemy is the reptiles and not the private

central bankers ! ... Boy they take the world for

complete fools ... who could blame them ? They

get away with this kind of stuff all the time.

truebeliever
09-25-2005, 09:32 AM
The reptilian theory is an amalgamation of different theories.

No dear friend...it is simple bullshit from the mouth of an illuminati plant. To call it "theory" is to give it credibility.

Many religions and many cultures such as Aboriginal culture in Oz talk of a giant serpent that shaped the land called "Waggle". Perhaps I could claim it as possible? Of course I will be universally laughed at...hence Icke and his idiot followers...

09-25-2005, 10:37 AM
Anyone who mixes fact with fiction (such as shape shifting lizards, reptilian politicians) is either NUTS or on CIA payroll).

I'm tired of these people wrapping themselves around mind control programs, professing to be experts on the subject matter and then throwing in alien bullshit.

Their is evidence that mind control programs existed. Stick to that subject matter.

Most people get to the lizard part and then discredit everything else even if these "disinformation" agents have included truth about other subjects.

Either the followers are as crazy as the leader or on the payroll, too.

And, so, I ask again, about Ken Adachi at educateyourself.org.

JudgeMental
09-27-2005, 07:30 PM
truebeliever wrote:
The reptilian theory is an amalgamation of different theories.

No dear friend...it is simple bullshit from the mouth of an illuminati plant. To call it "theory" is to give it credibility.

And to point out that calling it a "theory" detracts from its veracity?

Is that the exception that proves the rule or does it disprove it?

Nose_Hair
09-27-2005, 09:33 PM
truebeliever wrote:

Many religions and many cultures such as Aboriginal culture in Oz talk of a giant serpent that shaped the land called "Waggle". Perhaps I could claim it as possible? Of course I will be universally laughed at...hence Icke and his idiot followers...

There is also some truth in myths. For example, "plague of locusts that spout fire" mentioned in the Revelations has been attributed to Apache helicopters. The "Waggle" or whatever that shaped the land could be a giant glacier, who knows.

The most obscure of imaginative myths contain some truth just like the most factual of scientific descriptions contain some falsity. Everyone's imagination is inspired by SOMETHING that exists, even if it may be misinterpreted.

And no, I'm not trying to defend Icke, he makes good Science Fiction.

truebeliever
09-27-2005, 10:14 PM
And to point out that calling it a "theory" detracts from its veracity?

Is that the exception that proves the rule or does it disprove it?

The moon is made of cheese. Doubt me? Well, prove me wrong. Ever been to the moon? Ever spoken to someone who's been to the moon?

You know, you should keep an open mind about things...

You remind me of someone in a trench. The enemy is advancing. Instead of making a practical choice based on input from your 5 senses, you decide that theoretical physics tells you that nothing really exists and if you close your eyes for long enough it will all go away.

That is the mind set of an abused child who has been made to have an "open" mind...which is full of what NOHOPE?

For you and the Ickians...this whole shebang is just a "club". A point of reference that makes you feel part of a "group"...even special. Setting you apart.

The program being unleashed has VERY practical consequences and you would do well to pull your head out of your arse and smell the roses. I assure you, they smell much better than your own shit.

truebeliever
09-27-2005, 10:18 PM
The "Waggle" or whatever that shaped the land could be a giant glacier, who knows.

I agree...but I meant it in the specific way that Ickians claim that "ancient" stories and myths somehow back up the claims of a Bipolar man who refuses to take his lithium.

Minuteman
09-28-2005, 06:19 AM
Ya but. Icke may exist soley to provide an easy, very easy excuse to the mainstream to discredit "conspiracy" theories. Behold a tin foil hat!

Saturnino
09-28-2005, 07:33 AM
I once had a friend who truly believed that the Trojan Horse series, where a NASA astronaut goes back in time to the see the crucifiction of Christ, was a real thing. See the pattern...so many places to be in the past, and the author chooses the time of Christ...of course, to say that Jesus didn't die on the cross. All new age BS to discredit Christianity...but people believe it ! People actually believe in that ridiculous Da Vinci Code !

Yes, people believe in lizards.

God gave us a very stable world. He even protects us from demons and supernatural stuff, so we don't get misled or crazy. We can work, eat all the wonderful fruits from nature, raise children. He wants to know if we want to seek love and justice and obey him, in this simple, feet on the ground world. But people want, want, mess with the other side.

I don't care much about the miracles of antiChrist or the scorpion things from the Abyss in Revelations, or firing coming from the sky. They are not part of the life God wants for us, they will be here for judgement, and those who love God won't be here to see it, for this paranormal stuff doesn't help us in any way. The scorpions are probably not Apache helicopters, they will probably be supernatural monstrosities indeed. People who want to see and mess with this stuff will have plenty.

JudgeMental
10-10-2005, 10:35 PM
truebeliever wrote:
And to point out that calling it a "theory" detracts from its veracity?

Is that the exception that proves the rule or does it disprove it?

The moon is made of cheese. Doubt me? Well, prove me wrong. Ever been to the moon? Ever spoken to someone who's been to the moon?

You know, you should keep an open mind about things...

You remind me of someone in a trench. The enemy is advancing. Instead of making a practical choice based on input from your 5 senses, you decide that theoretical physics tells you that nothing really exists and if you close your eyes for long enough it will all go away.

That is the mind set of an abused child who has been made to have an "open" mind...which is full of what NOHOPE?

For you and the Ickians...this whole shebang is just a "club". A point of reference that makes you feel part of a "group"...even special. Setting you apart.

The program being unleashed has VERY practical consequences and you would do well to pull your head out of your arse and smell the roses. I assure you, they smell much better than your own shit.

It seems to me that you're awfully good at ascribing motives where none are perceptible and equally good at ascribing attributes that don't exist. Could it be that your "open mind" is more closer than mine?

Insight
10-11-2005, 05:57 AM
How do you get someone to take poison? You mix a little bit of poison with a lot of brownies. How do you get someone to believe a lie? Mix in a little bot of lies with a little bit of truth. David Icke seems to take facts and fiction and mix them up quite well to destract people from knowing what is truely going on.

Now, personally, I believe in spirits, angels and demons, and manifestations of such that could take on pratically any form. The concept of the Chitihuri doesn't seem impossible to me. I have watched a bunch of Icke films. And at first, I was totally into him. But then it began to dawn on me, if everything this guy publicly says is true, there's no way he would be so popular. I hear his site gets a million hits a day or something. Plus, he MAKES MONEY from his books and such. Anytime money is involved, look out.

Personally, I don't know if he has become a victum of mind control, of if he is a full misdirecting operative, or what.

What he says about shapeshifting reptillians can work in two ways: It can make regular people be very less inclined to ever believe conspiracy theories due to the over the top nature of the whole reptillian thing. Also, it can misdirect those who are already on the conspiracy scene.

Regardless though, not all of the facts Icke provides are fradulent. He does say things that are true.

However, the devil himself quotes the scriptures...

Barbara
10-11-2005, 08:09 PM
Just remember, the mightiest oak tree is the result of a nut that held it's ground.

freeman
10-11-2005, 09:13 PM
Just remember, the mightiest oak tree is the result of a nut that held it's ground.

LOL. I do try to keep that in mind, Barbara.
That's why when the Icke types show up on this forum or any other sites that I frequent, I try to give them a chance to explain their side of the story...but I have always found them lacking in substantiation for their claims.
Unlike people like Eustace Mullins, Dr. Makow or Alex Jones who investigate, dissect and analyze their subject matter with concrete facts, figures and conclusions based on solid deductive reasoning.

AgentOrange
10-12-2005, 12:27 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
Exactly, my resources are in my head.

My knowledge comes from my unwitting and unwilling incarceration in MKULTRA/Project Monarch.

A government/CIA sponsored trauma-based, mind control program.

you are looney toons. all these people with their fantasies of being part of MKULTRA are as bad as the ickites.


how come this freak hasnt been banned?

igwt
10-25-2005, 08:20 PM
MESSAGE TO ALL DAVID ICKE NEWSLETTER SUBSCRIBERS. PLEASE READ

You may have noticed that Davidicke.com is not available at the
moment. This is due to an attack on the site that could only be stopped
by taking it down and moving to alternative technology. This will be
done, at still more cost, by tonight or tomorrow and the site will be
accessible again.

It is just the latest in an endless stream of challenges, financial
and otherwise, that have to be met to keep the site available for
people - for free - and keep the information flowing as an alternative
to the mainstream propaganda.

But, you know, I do wonder sometimes, no, increasingly often, why I
bother. Every day I am faced with hours of unpaid work and a stream of
emails asking me for help. I always try to do what I can, given that
there is only one of me. But when I ask for help? Forget it.

The subscription take-up for a paid-for newsletter - I say 'paid for'
I mean the price of a single beer a month - has been, how shall I put
it?, virtually non-existent. When it was free, wow, yes please. Now
it's the price of a pint of beer a month for four newsletters, no
thanks.

So if that's what they are considered to be worth - nothing - then why
should I spend my time producing them while wondering if my basic bills
will be covered at the end of the month and whether Davidicke.com can
continue to exist in anything like its present form?

The response has made me reassess all that I have done and am doing
because I am up to here with giving out with so little in return.
People say they support me? Okay, where is it? I put out an appeal for
help with the website and every single response - bar one - was looking
to make serious money out of doing it.

How much is it worth not to be microchipped? How much is it worth not
to have a uniformed thug knock on the door? How much is it worth to be
free?

The next newsletter will go out on Saturday/Sunday and if the take-up
is not vastly increased, it will be the last one. And I am certainly
not, given this wake-up call, going to spend my hours every day on the
website any more if this is how much the information is valued. Why
should I? I have a family to look after.

Thanks so much to those few who have responded, it is so much
appreciated. But after nearly 20 years of giving out with so little
return, enough is enough.

Anyone who wishes to subscribe to the newsletter can do so once the
site is back up later today or tomorrow at the latest. Here is the link
you will need when it's back up and running:

www.davidicke.com/info.htm

Sorry if I sound pissed off, but then I am.

best wishes,

David

truebeliever
10-25-2005, 09:28 PM
What a sook!

You dont get into this stuff for money!

I am sick of people like Icke. They come online giving all thise 'free' advice or rumour or whatever and then all of a sudden they have the credit card facilities up and running demanding payment.

Icke should realise that %90 of his clientel are teenage kids. With no credit card or spare cashola outside their playstation game money.

Speaking the truth is not about 'sophism'. Selling 'truth' for cash. That is an intellectual prostitute as Socrates stated.

You want to play this game then prepare to be POOR.

That is the way it goes and the way God sorts the wheat from the chaff. The pretenders from the glorified wannabee's who are up for 'glory' of the marginalised outsider fighting for truth and justice...as long as it does'nt cost to much.

Icke, just slink off and admit you're not up to it. You've done enough wrecking the good work of others. Maybe if you gave the lizards a miss the grown ups with the cash would come to the party?

Just try it?

igwt
10-25-2005, 09:53 PM
LOL got that from news server 8-)

Drew_J
12-21-2005, 07:11 PM
Somewhere on a hard drive are images of Icke and some little boys. He is a compromised idiot.
How do you know this truebeliever?

Thumper
12-21-2005, 07:13 PM
icke falls into the trap that most new agers swallow, beleving that knowledge (occultism) is the key to improving the world, when in fact it led to our fall (forbidden fruit of knowledge).

he may be a luciferian and not realize it.

Thumper
12-21-2005, 07:14 PM
does he push planet x stuff?

Drew_J
12-22-2005, 12:00 AM
I dunno thumper. This atheist if given secret knowledge or capabilities, would use it to destroy the power of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc. First thing to go would be the FED. So I think Icke is right about intention being important. He may be nuts for talking about aliens, but his stuff on the microchips, Bilderbergs Trilats and the CFR are great. I have his 9-11 book and it's fantastic. So much detail. His politics is good but I think his metaphysics is a bit fucked. The founding fathers did not create a great strong country in the beginning by imagining a better matrix into existence or whatever the fuck he talks about. What Icke and other people like him forget is that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun" and "The tree of liberty must be
refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

Considering the accusation truebeliever leveled at Icke about him and boys, Icke said the same thing about James Randi. Icke said in The Biggest Secret that someone has him on tape propositioning little boys.

Thumper
12-22-2005, 12:25 AM
perhaps the function of Icke is to simply 'poison the well'?

all his other information checks out, it's just the aliens component that will make people throw the baby out with the bathwater, unfortunately.

Drew_J
12-22-2005, 12:28 AM
Could be he talks about a hypothesis he knows will turn a lot of people off so that he doesn't make himself a target of assassination. But this is a reflection on the illogic of the people who will let a wacky hypothesis blind them to his excellent political journalism. And this kind of illogic is well exhibited at internet infidels.

Thumper
12-22-2005, 12:31 AM
Drew_J wrote:
Could be he talks about a hypothesis he knows will turn a lot of people off so that he doesn't make himself a target of assassination.

the way to not make your self a target is to be bold, like Jack Blood and Alex Jones.

He might be right about a lot of things, but he turns a lot of people off. just look at how the ppl at iidb.org reference the Raelians or planet X every single time 9/11 is brought up. it's ridiculous.

Thumper
12-22-2005, 12:35 AM
perhaps he's an agent provocateur?

Hell, even Art Bell after being a 'conspiracy theorist' for decades sold out when he swallowed the 9/11 story only so he would have money to make his movie. these people aren't untouchable.

Ozzy_dopster
12-22-2005, 03:21 PM
I think so, perhaps. It tempts some to waste intellectual resources. And the way to set up a straw man is not with unique or incredible theories; it must be done with false logic or some kind of "yes set" familiarity. Like saying that all our enemies are heartless and cruel so must we be also. Sounds logical, but doesn't work in practice. That's the straw that must be knocked down.

Saturnino
12-23-2005, 05:15 AM
Icke's only task is to make the conspiracy minded sound idiot, a thing he does very well.

Bouncer
12-23-2005, 09:16 AM
I don't need anyone to make me look like an idiot. Ooops, I mean, um, NO: he makes himself look like an idiot, even though his meanderings are salted with verifiable facts. At least he's got the guts to tell what he really wants. Fear of ridicule is one of the psyop weapons used by gang stalkers, et al, to keep their victims quiet.

In fact, a simple guilt program goes like this: access the victim's guilt base with the appropriate words and images; tell the victim that he must pay a penalty for his wrongdoing; give him the task to perform as his "punishment" thereby giving him a venue of cathartic release of the guilt
.
You see, people are not motivated by guilt, but by their desire to be free of it.