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Barbara
09-28-2005, 12:33 PM
What You Can't Say About Israel in Australia
When the Truth Comes to Town
By ANTONY LOEWENSTEIN


"Melbourne University Publishing should drop this whole disgusting project. If they proceed, I urge the Australian Jewish community, and particularly The Australian Jewish News, to treat it with dignified silence. That is our best response. If, God forbid, it is published, don't give them a dollar. Don't buy the book."

Federal Labor MP Michael Danby, Australian Jewish News, August 25 2005

I'm currently writing a book on the Israel/Palestine conflict with Melbourne University Publishing (MUP) and it's due to be released in May 2006. After sending my articles on the subject to various publications around the world, I was already used to Jews and non-Jews writing and calling with abuse and outright hatred. After my recent column on the Gaza withdrawal, a Sydney doctor emailed me and asked: "How well do you think you would be doing with a name like yours if Adolf would have won?" and "As far as your book goes, I might just take a page out of Hitler's book on that one."

"The degree of abuse and outright threats now being directed at anyone - academic, analyst, reporter - who dares to criticise Israel (or dares to tell the truth about the Palestinian uprising) is fast reaching McCarthyite proportions", wrote Robert Fisk in December 2000. "The attempt to force the media to obey Israel's rules is now international". The situation has only worsened since 9/11.

In late August, Jewish Federal Labor MP Michael Danby wrote a letter to the Australian Jewish News (AJN) and demanded MUP "should drop this whole disgusting project." He claimed that MUP head, Louise Adler, had made comments about Israel and himself that were plainly false. He wanted to "absolutely disassociate himself" from the book because it would be little more than a "propaganda tract" and "an attack on the mainstream Australian Jewish community."

The exact reason and timing behind his attack remains unclear though after Danby's refusal to answer some innocuous questions of mine in late 2004 * his right, to be sure * he seemed to be flagging his disapproval of even debating issues related to the Middle East question. This was true to form. He had slammed me in the past and has a long history of attempting to stop open debate on Israel-related matters.

Leaving aside the irony of a Jewish parliamentarian calling for the censorship of a book that didn't yet exist, it's worth remembering Danby is the member for Melbourne Ports, the electorate with the greatest numbers of Jews in Australia [Malcolm Turnbull's Wentworth is not far behind.] He sees his role as defender of the Israeli cause and he articulates what he believes his constituents want to hear.

Online magazine Crikey picked up the story and asked whether it was appropriate for an MP to call for a boycott of an unpublished book. A few days later, Danby responded to Crikey, denied he had called for censorship and labeled my views on Israel "disgusting." He cautioned MUP - at a time when Israel was "making a painful withdrawal from Gaza and when the prospects for peace are improving" * against publishing books that he thought inappropriate for the times. It begged the question: did Danby truly believe that publishing companies should only produce work that accepted the status quo on issues, rather than challenging or maybe demolishing them?

The intentions of my book are ambitious. I believe that the Israel/Palestine conflict is the defining foreign affairs issue of our time and yet remains woefully misunderstood. Danby and numerous pro-Israel supporters are clearly confronted by me posing questions about Australia's pro-Israel media, the Howard government's relationship with Israel and America, the role of the pro-Israel lobby, America's relationship with the Jewish state, my experiences in the Middle East, including through the Palestinian occupied territories and Jewish and Arab voices of dissent. I am a Jew who doesn't believe in the concept of a Jewish state, but then, I also don't believe in the idea of an Islamic or Christian entity either. There is surely room for a non-Zionist Jew to write about the true cost of Zionism both on Israel and the Diaspora.

A week after Danby's boycott call, the AJN was filled with letters, including one from Louise Adler. "I am dismayed that a fellow publisher such as the AJN gives space for proposals to boycott ideas", she wrote. "Danby's proposal is inimical to the central Jewish values of tolerance and open debate." Larry Stillman wrote that he fully understood the Danby agenda: "I suspect the book will be central of the predominance of conservative views in the Jewish community about the current state of Israel, Danby included."

The Melbourne Age entered the debate soon after, chastised Danby for denying he had called for my book to be banned and discovered yet more evidence of the MP's history of "venting sight unseen." "In the Jewish publication, The Review, he says of David Hare's Stuff Happens, 'I havn't seen the play, nor will I', then cans it based on a review he read." The leading broadsheet also compared the controversy to Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz's failed attempt to ban Norman Finkelstein's Beyond Chutzpah.

By the following week, the AJN was filled with coverage. A large news story featured another Danby justification for his attack. "If I didn't tell people about it [Loewenstein's book] beforehand, knowing what his views are, would I be representing the people I represent?" he said. The paper's editorial entered the fray. Although critical of Danby's censorship call, the AJN "unequivocally rejects Loewenstein's view of a Jewish state as 'fundamentally undemocratic and colonialist idea from a bygone era'", the public should wait for the book's release "before we decide to consign it to the garbage heap of literature." The letters pages were filled with both supportive and critical contributions, including from Danby himself. My ideas "stink" and he was simply "doing what I was elected to do: speak up for the people I represent." He again disingenuously denied having called for censorship.

A few days later, I received an unexpected call from well-known Jewish comedian Austen Tayshus. He demanded to know why I was writing my book, suggested Israel was a poor, defenceless Middle Eastern state threatened with annihilation, compared me to a German Jew who collaborated with the Nazis during the Second World War and asked why I had the right to air the community's "dirty laundry." I explained that he was clearly so insecure in his position that he felt the need to call and abuse me. I soon ended the call.

A few minutes after posting an entry on my blog about the initial call, I received another one from him. He said he would keep on calling me because I was an "ignoramus" and an "asshole." He suggested we have a public debate, which I declined. He suggested Palestinian Hanan Ashrawi as a moderator (after telling me earlier that she was a "terrorist.") The point of debating a man like this was negligible, for the simple fact that he didn't want to debate me - "a sad and lonely man", in his words - nor actually discuss the issues. He wanted to shout and rant. It may have made him feel good about himself. He clearly needed it.

I told the Green Left Weekly the real fear behind Danby's attack:

"These sort of people don't want discussion, because discussion is threatening. Discussion means that more people are aware, or might become aware, of what actually does go on over there: What does occupation mean, what does it mean that Palestinians often have to wait hours at checkpoints in searing sun, what does it mean that women often have to give birth at checkpoints and often die? They don't want people to know that, for obvious reasons, because it's shameful. And they know if more people find out that kind of stuff, their view about Israel and the relationship between Australia and Israel could change."

During this controversy, I received many supportive emails and even financial donations to my website. Mannie De Saxe challenged Danby to put his words into action:

"If Danby feels so passionate about Israel, and it is obvious that he does, why doesn't he take his supporters, all those vocal Zionists who, together with that publication which should be called the Israeli Zionist Times but is otherwise known as the Australian Jewish News, and move to Israel where Ariel Sharon has said that he needs all the Jews in the Diaspora to come and live to reduce anti-Semitism around the world."

I was extremely lucky that my publisher backed me 100% during this period. Many a publisher, I suspect, would have been scared to receive such vitriol months before the book's release. I received some ugly comments on my blog * "you're the nazi Anthony you fucking mental midget. Whose side are you on anyway? THINK about it toolhead" * but I remember what John Pilger told me recently; the more they attack you, the more you're having an effect and doing something right.

The difficulty in even raising questions related to Israel proves that serious debate is ever-more essential. The world is slowing waking up to the true reality in Israel and Palestine and Australians are joining the chorus of disapproval.

Antony Loewenstein is a Sydney-based freelance journalist and author. He can be reached at antloew@gmail.com.

He blogs at http://antonyloewenstein.blogspot.com/

Barbara
09-28-2005, 12:56 PM
Don't ask me what happened, I only hit SUBMIT once! :-?

OK, while I'm here I might as well go ahead and make a comment on something in the article that especially perturbed me (all of it perturbed me) from a woman's point of view.

You ladies in the Forum try to imagine you are in labor and you cannot get through a checkpoint in order to get to the hospital so you have the baby in the car. Many women don't live through the experience. Neither do the babies.

Guys, ask yourself how you'd feel if your wife and child died needlessly just so a bunch of assholes could exercise their power over you and rub your nose in it.

Ask some of the refugees from Rita how it felt to sit in cars in 100+ degree temperatures for hours at the time. This is SOP for Palestinians at Israeli-controlled choke points, er....check points.

I keep asking myself how the WHOLE WORLD can turn a blind eye to the outrages perpetrated against a captive people like this? IDF uses Palestinian men, women and children for target practice and the world admonishes the Palestenians to stop their attacks on the jews.

If someone shot my child, destroyed my house, killed my husband/wife, you bet your sweet ass I'd become a "terrorist" in whatever way possible. I, for one, am damn sick and tired of jewish pissing and moaning about the holocaust; they have squandered any "capital" they might have earned from that 60-year old blip on history's timeline. War is hell, ask the families of some of the tens of millions of families who lost their loved ones in the war.

09-28-2005, 02:15 PM
"I keep asking myself how the WHOLE WORLD can turn a blind eye to the outrages perpetrated against a captive people like this? IDF uses Palestinian men, women and children for target practice and the world admonishes the Palestenians to stop their attacks on the jews."

I hear ya, Barbara. I've wondered the same myself. But, as another poster said, seems like the JEWS are under "mind control."

Obviously, the "Israeli War Machine" has been in operation for a very long time and the people just turn a blind eye to it.

I would assume that Israel's military is far more capable than the Palestinians.

Doesn't the US government fund Israel to the tune of about 25 million a year?

Barbara
09-28-2005, 03:07 PM
Blue Angel, try 10 BILLION, not counting all the free military hardware they can import, loans that turn into grants, and other "sweetheart" deals from our bought-and-paid-for representatives.

The Palestinians have no military force. Period. Israel stands with a foot on their collective neck and they cannot do anything to change it. As for the attacks against jews that get all the media attention, it wouldn't surprise me if over 50% (if not more) are false flag operations.

If the situation were reversed and some group was doing to jews what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, you can just imagine what would happen. To hell with this "chosen people" BS, no self-respecting, so-called "loving" god would choose them, unless his name was SATAN.

I tell you, Americans better start paying attention, we are going to be in the same boat as the Palestinians, up Shit Creek in a chickenwire canoe without a paddle.

sablefish
09-28-2005, 05:37 PM
Yaarg.. Somehow me likes this here Barbara person.

nomad
09-28-2005, 06:01 PM
Barbara wrote:
Blue Angel, try 10 BILLION, not counting all the free military hardware they can import, loans that turn into grants, and other "sweetheart" deals from our bought-and-paid-for representatives.

The Palestinians have no military force. Period. Israel stands with a foot on their collective neck and they cannot do anything to change it. As for the attacks against jews that get all the media attention, it wouldn't surprise me if over 50% (if not more) are false flag operations.

If the situation were reversed and some group was doing to jews what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, you can just imagine what would happen. To hell with this "chosen people" BS, no self-respecting, so-called "loving" god would choose them, unless his name was SATAN.

I tell you, Americans better start paying attention, we are going to be in the same boat as the Palestinians, up Shit Creek in a chickenwire canoe without a paddle.


Barbara again to my point, is it they that are to

blame if the goyim can't figure out how to make

another country give them free money or fight

their battles for them ?

Are you saying that God erred in freeing them

from slavery in Egypt so they can become your

masters ?

09-28-2005, 07:19 PM
I don't think you can cast all JEWS in the same boat!!

nomad
09-28-2005, 07:25 PM
Even more miraculous that a minority within a

minority is the hammer and everybody else is the

nail.

09-28-2005, 07:29 PM
nomad wrote:
Even more miraculous that a minority within a

minority is the hammer and everybody else is the

nail.

So then it really boils down to the fact that money equals power and power equals control.

nomad
09-28-2005, 07:37 PM
The point is that they couldn't do what they do

if God was not on their side.

Here's an example of their genius from today's

news ... again proving that whether its Australia

or Russia they are the chosen people.


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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Roman Abramovich was already the No. 1 billionaire in a country famous for its fabulously wealthy oligarchs. He just got richer.

Russian state gas behemoth Gazprom (GAZPPE.RTS: Quote, Profile, Research) is paying $13 billion to take over oil firm Sibneft (SIBN.RTS: Quote, Profile, Research) from 38-year-old Abramovich, its majority shareholder, who spends much of his time in London where he watches another of his prize possessions -- Chelsea soccer club.

"Everything his hands touch turns into crisp notes," Forbes magazine wrote prophetically earlier this year, when it already put his wealth at $14.7 billion.

The takeover, the biggest in Russian history, follows a heady period of energy musical chairs, which also saw state oil firm Rosneft win the choice unit of Mikhail Khodorkovsky's YUKOS after it was auctioned off to pay punitive back taxes.

"Mr Abramovich is getting enough money to keep 15 generations of Abramoviches," said Sovlink analyst Eric Kraus.

As well as all the money, the deal also puts Abramovich in the good books of a Kremlin, which is keen to build Gazprom into a global energy giant.

09-28-2005, 07:41 PM
GOD on their side. Give me a break. When people murder, kill, lie, cheat and steal, GOD is not on their side!

truebeliever
09-28-2005, 07:46 PM
Barbara again to my point, is it they that are to blame if the goyim can't figure out how to make another country give them free money or fight
their battles for them ?

Are you saying that God erred in freeing them
from slavery in Egypt so they can become your masters?

I hear ya NOMAD.

It's really quite funny when you think about it.

I think Da Joooze, inparticular the Talmud/Kabbahlistic types, have been sent to awaken the goyim from their patient slumber in "i wish to remain innocent land".

When finally the Gentiles are watching their own children die varying deaths, they will suddenly think..."gee, i wish I had watched less sport and less Oprah and read a book, or two".

I guess it's all building to something.

nomad
09-28-2005, 07:58 PM
truebeliever wrote:
Barbara again to my point, is it they that are to blame if the goyim can't figure out how to make another country give them free money or fight
their battles for them ?

Are you saying that God erred in freeing them
from slavery in Egypt so they can become your masters?

I hear ya NOMAD.

It's really quite funny when you think about it.

I think Da Joooze, inparticular the Talmud/Kabbahlistic types, have been sent to awaken the goyim from their patient slumber in "i wish to remain innocent land".

When finally the Gentiles are watching their own children die varying deaths, they will suddenly think..."gee, i wish I had watched less sport and less Oprah and read a book, or two".

I guess it's all building to something.


Exactly my point TB !

Talmud/Kabbalistic Jews don't even own TVs !

Can you blame them when their 9 kids (average per

couple) outsmart your 2 stupid spoiled kids ?

Well, if the goyim don't want to put effort to

change their situation they shouldn't complain

when the hammer comes down on their heads.

:-D

Barbara
09-28-2005, 08:15 PM
Nomad, "Beware of those jews who say they are jews and do lie and are of the synagog of Satan."
Kazar jews are not Biblical jews, they came on board around 800 AD by conversion, no blood tie.
They are the same ones who will bring forth the Mark of the Beast through their money powers and control of the governments of this world, but then I repeat myself.

Except for a remnant, even the elect will be deceived.

Don't look now, but I think you have been deceived. Judge a tree by it's fruit.

Barbara
09-28-2005, 08:18 PM
There's was a nasty rumor that Pharo wasn't chasing them to bring them back. He was just trying to recover what they stole.

truebeliever
09-28-2005, 10:19 PM
I think NOMAD is simply playing devils advocate to wake people up.

Jewish Talmud/Kabbahlistic minions thrive on Goiyim stupidity and ignorence and the wish to remain innocent.

There are indeed bunny rabits in the forest but also wolves, in that I see why God has sent this particular filth.

It can only thrive through peoples REFUSAL to grow up.

nomad
09-29-2005, 05:33 AM
Barbara wrote:
There's was a nasty rumor that Pharo wasn't chasing them to bring them back. He was just trying to recover what they stole.

LOL or Pharo was trying to get back what

the slaves outsmarted out of him and his people.

They keep outsmarting everbody else everywhere

to this day. Look how they outsmart the president

of the United States to send Israel the biggest

welfare payments in history and even use the

most powerful army in the world to fight their

battles. Is it justifed ? Hell Yes ! Without

these slaves the United States would never have

been what it is.

Ozziecynic
09-29-2005, 08:08 AM
:-o 8-) A few days later, I received an unexpected call from well-known Jewish comedian Austen Tayshus. He demanded to know why I was writing my book, suggested Israel was a poor, defenceless Middle Eastern state threatened with annihilation, compared me to a German Jew who collaborated with the Nazis during the Second World War and asked why I had the right to air the community's "dirty laundry.
Surprise to hear of this!.

I have been to one this guys sometimes humourous, but ultimately gutter humor standup routines.
A Tayshuses humour seems to revolve around every second word being "fuck this Fuck that, any aussie,s here that has heard "Australiana" his gutter ocker piece from the the early 80s you,ll get the idea!.
What really gets me though is his audacity in terms of hypocrisy when i saw his standup routine it was in a Hotel in Eastwood a mainly chinese and korean ethinc area of sydney!

He was cracking heaps of anti asian jokes about koreans even though there were at least five koreans in the Hotel.Guess what they all got up and left utterly insulted by his anti asian racism actually i m surprised we wasnt high kicked tai kwon do style off the stage.
For this yid to talk about racism is the height of hypocrisy!. :-?

truebeliever
09-29-2005, 09:07 AM
Yeh, I saw a special he did on the Jews of Poland who of course are no longer their. He was lucky they did'nt deport him.

Coke does that to you.

Still, Australiana was pretty funny...how much can a Koala Bear matey?

Barbara
09-29-2005, 10:00 AM
A Koala Bear can bear anything, as long as it is bear-able.