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Thumper
02-12-2005, 11:35 PM
I must admit that I first became hip to a New World Order in a roundabout way by first finding White Nationalist websites, and reading their hard hitting critique of multi-cult and other hoaxes.

I somehow eventually graduated from their paradigm of "everything for the Volk" and perhaps through the help of Henry Makow, I came to see that not all "Jews" were bad, and I saw how things fell in line in endtimes.

So I ask, what's the dichotomy between these WN and us that prevents them from seeing the big picture? What can make them realize that it's not a "Jewish" problem, but rather a Luciferian one? Is it there over-emphasis on race, when they should be focusing on the Bible?

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 01:50 AM
Thumper your question is way to pertinent and intelligent.

I still say Rothschild is a lizard.

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 02:33 AM
I guess the dogmatic right wing ultra nationalists are the natural result of the dogmatic left wing ultra internationalists.

I'm sure the middle ground lies somewhere inbetween.

I personally take people as I find them. The Jew plays the eternal victim. I'm quite personally sick of this endless temper tantrum.

Theres the old saying of a young Jew taking his Grandfather out to a baseball game. The Yankee's hit a home run and the crowd goes wild. The young Jew is excited and his Grandad asks..."is this good or bad for the Jews"?

Then again there's the story of the Young Rabbi who comes to his Old Rabbi mentor and asks..."why is it God does not speak to the people anymore"? The old Rabbi reply's..."my son, nobody will stoop low enough to hear it". My personal favourite witty Jewish line and pertinent to the discussion.

Perhaps thats why I like the Muslims, they actually bow there head before Allah 5 times a day. Now thats taking your God seriously.

Perhaps the Jews should have gone with JC when they had the chance. For me JC was the natural progression of the old Torah Jews.

As I am no expert on the subject, can anyone explain exactly the difference between the old Torah Jews and the newer Kabbalistic/occultish ones?

In the end, any religion which says I am a Gentile/Goyam and not worthy of God can stick it up their tush!

Ozziecynic
02-13-2005, 04:01 AM
So I ask, what's the dichotomy between these WN and us that prevents them from seeing the big picture? What can make them realize that it's not a "Jewish" problem, but rather a Luciferian one? Is it there over-emphasis on race, when they should be focusing on the Bible?

I too have had a little to do with Nationalist type forums like Stormfront. In my view it is forum much like this one with people coming from a very broad range of ideological postions from National Socialist or paleo conservative to Market libertarians who claim to be concerned for the european race!.(the contradiction should be obvious)
I dont think many of these people on stormfront themselves even now what White nationalism is they seem to adapt it to their own personal tastes by playing semantic language games with the word.Personally i think the term is all bollocks anyway.
The U.S is not a white nation because it probly has more non whites than whites so what is worth preserving.Also it is controlled by zionist jews so it is simply defacto zionist empire for Isreal.Thats my view.
Also many so called white nationalist seem to discount the influence of jews via Freemasonry to control the Anglo American establishment.There is author called Carrol Quigley a that wrote a book about this it is very long but avialiable out there i just dont have link for it!
8-)

Ozziecynic
02-13-2005, 04:12 AM
:idea: As I am no expert on the subject, can anyone explain exactly the difference between the old Torah Jews and the newer Kabbalistic/occultish ones?

The difference is the Babylonian Talmud.The book that teaches them we are Goyim not just gentiles.
In other words we are eqaul to cattle!.Also the book is disgusting if a larger majority of the worlds population got hold of it and read i think there would be zero tolerance for Zionism!. :-x

eddie
02-13-2005, 05:16 AM
i can buy a bible anywhere,i can read the koran,i can find out about a lot of other religions.where can i buy a complete talmud?
:-)

55132
02-13-2005, 06:10 AM
Eddie.

I also came via WN through stormfront I have to confess that they have very reliable informacion however what turned me off was the hate that many but not all felt towards other human beings.

There view on jews is based on facts but jews are human too and cannot be given all the credit for the dismay they have the world in, they are not supermen nor super intelligent the only way they could have done this is by associating with the forces of darkenss.

http://www.watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html

I still agree with them that a multicultural society is a dead society, and that we must preserve our Euro culture. and that If our culture and countries are to prosper and survive we must rest control of the powers that be yes the jewish cabal and their euro lap dogs (the masons and other occultic groups)
We must go back to the best of our Christian culture and heritage and scrap multiculturalism.

However at this point I know that only the comming of the Lord will resolve the problem. And just as i started to suspect during my association with them is that its not all the jews.


You will never get a copy of the talmud they use just a cleaned up version made for non jews.

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 06:30 AM
Well that slightly clears it up a little.

I forgot the main thrust of your question Thumper...yes, more of a focus on the bible will help and yes a knowledge of the Illuminati but we must couch it in terms people can understand.

To talk of Lucifer and the Illuminati will gaurantee you an early Friday night. None of your friends will be over for a beer.

I just prefer to stick to the love of the intellect over the world of feeling.

The intellect will lead you into trouble and a troubled conscience will lead you out of it.

The refusal to doubt and reflect and the need to look totally in control at all times means we are fast headed towards disaster.

Lucifer is full of pride and arrogant. Hence he is cast out of heaven. How many men fit this? And a few women?

The Jewish faith in my limited experience fits this bill. It is an extremely rational/intellectual religion. I believe Christ was the balance.

Maybe one last disaster and finally the human race will let go of it's hubris.

A great shame it may have to come to that. There's alot to look forward to.

Just as obviously not all jews are the problem (do we even need to say this?) we can say the human race is'nt all bad either.

A select few are using up an awful lot of resources to keep the masses as ignorent and stupified as possible.

Best to all.

truebeliever
02-13-2005, 06:40 AM
The book is "Tragedy & Hope" by Carrol Quigley.

It's a big sucker.

There are a few that are good summaries.

Henry Makow put me onto...

"Secrecy Or Freedom" by Alan B Jones

"How The World Really Works" by Alan B Jones, which is a great summary of...
"Tragedy & Hope", "The Politics Of Heroin", "Dope Inc", "The Greening" (about the Green movement...duh), "Report From Iron Mountain", "1984", "The Creature From Jeckyll Island".

Also a documentary called "New World Order; Soloution Or Seduction" which I'll be posting on my website...

www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

tomorrow.

People always say..."You must watch this doco"! For a thorough background on the rise of Communism, it's financing by the West and the ever so subtle and not so subtle attack on our Christian value system by the Illuminists...it's a must watch...thats only my opinion however.