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truebeliever
10-03-2005, 04:13 AM
"Waco: The Big Lie" They were murdered. End of story. Welcome to the New World Order. Points out too, that the 3 ATF killed on the original raid were formerly Clintons body guard. Video shows an ATF member throwing in an explosive device and shooting blindly into the building just after the 3 went in. 19 meg WMV File (http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/)

jason_ou812
10-03-2005, 05:29 AM
Another one that exposes the lies about waco is:

Waco - Rules Of Engagement.

I have it (and some others that I think people here may be interested in). I don;t know how to use my webspace. ANybody point to some good online tutorials on setting up a simple webpage, much like truebeliever's one?

truebeliever
10-03-2005, 05:56 AM
I think "Rules Of Engagement" was a VERY well done peice of propaganda that gave credence to claims Koresh was kiddie fiddling and sorta made the FBI and ATF look like idiots but not the mass murder'ers they were and ARE.

I really like this one which I believe was the first to come out.

As for starting a site...I get 30meg of web space with my broadband 2 account.

NOMAD put me onto http://www.doteasy.com/

Extremely good value. 20 gig webspace and UNLIMITED traffic for about $15 a month Aussie. Must pay yearly though. A few friends have confirmed they're legit and good value.

I use Dr Div X to convert DVD vob files to AVI files which are easy to work with.

I use Sony Vegas 6.0 for editing and conversion to web format...windows media - Quicktime - Realplayer and all the other formats.

Adobe Premiere is another but it is FAR more complicated and less easy to use.

Barbara
10-03-2005, 11:44 AM
Thank you, Truebeliever, for posting "Waco, the Big Lie." The facts surrounding Waco's holocaust need to be kept out there before everybodys' eyes. They truly were burnt offerings on the altar of the New World Order.

Bouncer
10-03-2005, 03:53 PM
T. Gunderson also has some insight into this: see the Ted Gunderson Chronicles.

jason_ou812
10-03-2005, 09:51 PM
tb,

I just watched 'Waco - The Big Lie', and it is definitely better and infinitely superior to 'Waco - Rules Of Engagement' (and is a lot shorter, too).

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I think "Rules Of Engagement" was a VERY well done peice of propaganda that gave credence to claims Koresh was kiddie fiddling and sorta made the FBI and ATF look like idiots but not the mass murder'ers they were and ARE.
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I have to disagree a little with this, though. After seeing it, I felt it had definitely exposed the ATF as the 'bad guys' in the whole thing. I don't think it set out to out them as idiots, rather note that they were the instigators of the whole horror, not the reverse as was the official line.

truebeliever
10-03-2005, 10:15 PM
I have to disagree a little with this, though. After seeing it, I felt it had definitely exposed the ATF as the 'bad guys' in the whole thing. I don't think it set out to out them as idiots, rather note that they were the instigators of the whole horror, not the reverse as was the official line.

It painted them as "idiots" and "over zealous" and "out for revenge" after the killing of their comrades.

That is a little different from OUTRIGHT, DELIBERATE MURDER which is what it was.

The average pleb will say after watching "Rules Of Engagement"..."well it's unfortunate, but those coppers do have a difficult job and that guy Koresh does look like a bit of a freak and why did'nt he release the kiddies and they were shooting at the Branch Davidians in the thermal tape but maybe they were confused..." and so on. Again, a great peice of propaganda appearing to condemn the ATF and FBI in "detail" but leaving the average viewer with the feeling it was all just one big terrible mistake that got outta hand. IMHO.

igwt
10-03-2005, 10:40 PM
Very illuminating 8-)

10-03-2005, 10:42 PM
Does anyone but those, like me, who lived in north Texas at the time remember that the ATF nazis who were killed were killed by their OWN MEN in cross fire!!!!?

Stockpiling weapons was the excuse. Folks, there weren't any weapons. And there weren't any biological nukes in Iraq either. We knew both.

jason_ou812
10-03-2005, 10:46 PM
I guess I'm not your 'average pleb/viewer', as I felt no sympathy for the ATF whatsoever. I just felt utter disregard for the smarmy smugness of the higher-ups and their bold-faced lies.

After seeing 'the big lie' this reinforces that notion a thousand fold.

Thanks for the link.

10-03-2005, 11:21 PM
I have to admit, this was a great video breakdown of the Waco travesty. I'd never seen this before until just now.

I lived with my grandpa at the time. He had been in WWII, and just somehow seemed to know that something really fishy was up.

We went on about this for weeks afterward. But I distinctly remember his commentary on the whole incident the day it happened.

He said, Look that guy just got shot by his own men! He thought the AFT looked like the three-stooges trying to storm the compound. He said something smelled like a pile of horse-shit in the whole deal, and he figured Janet Reno and Clinton were up to something big.

It's kind of strange looking back on all the crap that happened during the Clinton administration.

People commiting suicide with riffles to the backs of their own heads that balistics experts say must have been fired about two feet away - now that's a neat trick, if you can pull that off.

Oh, and what about Mr Brown, who's plane went down and somehow, when they uncovered his body, he had managed to get himself a 9mm bullet hole in the top of his head, execution style.

Must just be strange accidents.

Max
10-04-2005, 12:31 PM
Thanks for the videos TB- I've been downloading most of them.

Draken
10-20-2005, 03:46 PM
fra_nothing wrote:
Does anyone but those, like me, who lived in north Texas at the time remember that the ATF nazis who were killed were killed by their OWN MEN in cross fire!!!!?

Stockpiling weapons was the excuse. Folks, there weren't any weapons. And there weren't any biological nukes in Iraq either. We knew both.

Really?!

I never thought about that. Is it really possible though? The surviving Davidians say in the film that there WERE people with guns inside, but they were supposedly legal.

It's not difficult to imagine the ATF sacrificing a few of their own to justify blowing the Davidians away. It wouldn't have looked good if the ATF didn't suffer ANY casualties at all in all the mayhem at Carmel, Texas...

But what was the real reason the Davidians had to be made examples of? What was Clinton and Reno afraid of that the Davidians and/or Koresh knew and would let the press know? Why was it so crucial to butcher EVERYONE, including the children? I mean, they obviously didn't care whether they killed the children or not, especially with those directed explosives purposely made to kill everyone on the receiving end of the explosion which the ATF used deliberately where they knew the women and children were.

What made it so important that everyone had to be murdered?

truebeliever
10-20-2005, 09:09 PM
Coz they would be exposed as the murdering dog bastards that they are? Which is why they behaved as the murdering dog bastards that they are to cover the first act of being murdering dog bastards?

I sometimes think that Waco was good for everyone. It showed the ruthless and vengeful nature of law enforcement in America. It also "sobered" those cocky little wankers in their black ski masks and MP5's...not fun when they shoot back is it boys? That should make you think twice before attempting to make a show of yourselves again.

Draken
10-21-2005, 02:12 AM
Brings to mind the Solzhenitsyn Dilemma, only the Branch Davidians did what the Russians were burning in the camps for NOT having done, i.e. they fought back.

It keeps coming back to this question, it seems:

To live in slavery or die a free man?

truebeliever
10-21-2005, 04:39 AM
I have no problem dying on my two feet in front of the goons. What worries me is how i'm personally perceived. At least the Davidians had a army of sympathisers going out to bat for them.

I think the line between dangerous kook and "Liberty Martyr" are pretty close...at the moment anyway.

My only request from God is that i'm remebered for what i've done or may do. The scariest moment in 1984 with John Hurt is when his torturer says to him that they will simply vapourise him and it will be as if he had never existed.

That sends shivers down my spine. They cannot be allowed to wipe out history and our connection to the past and the martyrs past and present.

Thanx for that WACO doco by the way. Will put the new one up soon.

The book by Bill Saffire "Lend Me Your Ears: Great Speeches In History" is enlightening as it details some of the wonderful gallows speeches from freedom loving people who probably would never believe that present day sufferers draw inspiration from their words and actions from so long ago.