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10-07-2005, 08:10 AM
What do you think guys?

I couldn't find a poll button, but wanted to do some 'grounded research', as it were.

1. Alpha and Omega Lodge

2. Southern Cross Lodge

3. Some other Lodge

10-07-2005, 08:18 AM
What seems to be the problem? Folks, ya gotta remember..this is for posterity!

8-)

freeman
10-07-2005, 08:18 AM
Hi, Yeoshua.
Why would this question even matter, since those of us who are savvy to the inner workings of the Evil Craft know that their lying, dissembling spies are everywhere, and it is simply a consequence of everyday life that the true believer must accept?
So how are the good old boys down at your lodge? Deovured any widows' homes recently and then for a pretense made some long prayers to Jabulon?
:-D

10-07-2005, 08:21 AM
freeman wrote:
Hi, Yeoshua.
Why would this question even matter, since those of us who are savvy to the inner workings of the Evil Craft know that their lying, dissembling spies are everywhere, and it is simply a consequence of everyday life that the true believer must accept?
So how are the good old boys down at your lodge? Deovured any widows' homes recently and then for a pretense made some long prayers to Jabulon?
:-D

Look, I'm fulling aware that the Site has been enjoying my company during the last few days. I've been a delightful source of entertainment to the Lodge.

I think we've all had a few giggles.

Because now my web site is posted on google's cache which helps promote my web site and Christianty.

Hey, thanks clubconspiracy.com

I couldn't have done it without you.

10-07-2005, 08:49 AM
Look people, we need to get some interaction going here. It's called 'group workings'.

I know you're supposed to be 'few and secret' blah..blah..blah...but look, it's Me you're talking about here.

I'm not going to do anything but hurt you, so relax a little bit!

I came not to seek and save the lost.

But to take surveys of O.T.O. Whores.

10-07-2005, 08:51 AM
Ok, that does it. I gotta go for a while.

But when I get back, I wanna see some posts!

I assure you, you have Nothing to fear.

10-07-2005, 10:18 AM
I.
C.
U.

Distance is no barrier where Eye come from.

The O.T.O. in Australia will learn the meaning of 'down under'.

You fools. I eat Thelemite brain for breakfast.

It is what I was BORN to do.

Bouncer
10-07-2005, 01:05 PM
And, speaking for the gay Nazi aliens,
"Wie sehen dich!!!"

sablefish
10-07-2005, 06:18 PM
What the heck is an O.T.O.? It probably doesn't matter.. as you seem to be hung up on yourself.

Bouncer
10-08-2005, 10:51 AM
http://oto-usa.org/
This is their own website; might be a good place to start your research.

10-08-2005, 11:04 AM
Bouncer wrote:
http://oto-usa.org/
This is their own website; might be a good place to start your research.

A good link, bouncer. You might also start at the fountain source:

http://www.thelema.org/

And once all of you have become experts in the 'Great Mysteries of Thelema', yes, once all of you have become Illuminates in the God of Force and Fire Horus, and once all of you have become assured that it is Christianity's last hour,

You might just understand, when you reach to top of Mon Salvat, when you believe that the Enemy has seized the Grail for itself,

That a Christian now has both the Grail and the Lance. Yes, indeed, a Christian nows reigns supreme over all Illumniati, Thelemites, Satanists, various and sundry antichrists, and everything else that exalts itself against the knowledge of Christ.

And the delicious thing about it is...

It is based on hard fact. No jokes, no illusions.

Do you think I am flying high on an ego trip?

Oh, no. I assure you it has nothing to do with such triffles. It's about so much more.

This isn't for a show, this one's for the whole thing.

And I play for keeps.

10-08-2005, 11:35 AM
If any of you ever wonder why I went through all this hooy, I have a good answer: To prove an eternal point.

The only thing left for me to say to the 'Illuminists' is: gotcha.

It was not good enough for this to be done by some grand entity celibrated abroad in the Christian community. No, this one had to be the real thing. This little task required one who was a Fool indeed, a nobody, the 'least in the kingdom' if you will.

And if the least in the kingdom, if a fool for Christ, if a goofball joker, if a loser by the standards of this world can defeat the Antichrist, the Satanist, the Illuminati, what could the church at large have accomplished by faith?

What CAN it accomplish by faith even now!

10-08-2005, 03:02 PM
fra_nothing wrote:
Look people, we need to get some interaction going here. It's called 'group workings'.

I know you're supposed to be 'few and secret' blah..blah..blah...but look, it's Me you're talking about here.

I'm not going to do anything but hurt you, so relax a little bit!

I came not to seek and save the lost.

But to take surveys of O.T.O. Whores.

I think you need to make an appointment with a medical doctor!

Could possibly help you with your manic depressive disorder.

rushdoony
10-08-2005, 03:28 PM
Ordo Templi Orientis

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) (Order of the Temple of the East, or the Order of Oriental Templars) is an international fraternal and religious organization. For its teachings and principles of organization, it has accepted the Law of Thelema, which is expressed as “Do what thou wilt is the whole of the Law.” Thelemites believe that this Law was established with the writing of the Book of the Law by Aleister Crowley in 1904 in Cairo, Egypt. Its structure is similar to that of Freemasonry, with a series of graded initiations. The O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass. O.T.O. claims over 3000 members in 58 countries; about half of these are in the United States.


Philosophy of O.T.O.
O.T.O. was described by Crowley as the "first of the great Old Æon orders to accept The Book of the Law". O.T.O. was originally affiliated with European masonic organisations, although Crowley eventually cut all formal ties with Freemasonry—largely because of the integration of the Law of Thelema and the Order's equal acceptance of women. Although some masonic symbolism and language is in use, their context is no longer that of Freemasonry, but of Thelema and its tenets. "The Order offers esoteric instruction through dramatic ritual, guidance in a system of illuminated ethics, and fellowship among aspirants to the Great Work of realizing the divine in the human" [1]. O.T.O. has two core areas of ritual activity: initiation into the Mysteries, and the celebration of Liber XV, the Gnostic Mass. In addition, the Order organizes lectures, classes, social events, theatrical productions, artistic exhibitions, publishes books and journals, and instruction in Hermetic science, yoga, and magick.

Crowley wrote in his Confessions, "the O.T.O. is in possession of one supreme secret. The whole of its system [is] directed towards communicating to its members, by progressively plain hints, this all-important instruction." Of the first set of initiations, "the main objects of the instruction [are] two. It [is] firstly necessary to explain the universe and the relations of human life therewith. Secondly, to instruct every man [and woman] how best to adapt his [or her] life to the cosmos and to develop his faculties to the utmost advantage. I accordingly constructed a series of rituals, Minerval, Man, Magician, Master-Magician, Perfect Magician and Perfect Initiate, which should illustrate the course of human life in its largest philosophical aspect." The initiation rituals after the V° are such that "the candidate is instructed in the value of discretion, loyalty, independence, truthfulness, courage, self-control, indifference to circumstance, impartiality, scepticism, and other virtues, and at the same time assisted him to discover for himself the nature of [the supreme] secret, the proper object of its employment and the best means for insuring success for its use."

Of the entire system of O.T.O., Crowley wrote in Confessions:

It offers a rational basis for universal brotherhood and for universal religion. It puts forward a scientific statement which is a summary of all that is at present known about the universe by means of a simple, yet sublime symbolism, artistically arranged. It also enables each man to discover for himself his personal destiny, indicates the moral and intellectual qualities which he requires in order to fulfil it freely, and finally puts in his hands an unimaginably powerful weapon which he may use to develop in himself every faculty which he may need in his work. (P. 703) [2]

Initiation
O.T.O. uses a graded system, similar to that of Freemasonry. There are thirteen numbered degrees and twelve un-numbered. They are divided into three grades or "triads": the Hermit, the Lover, and the Man of Earth. The ultimate goal of initiation in O.T.O. is "to instruct the individual by allegory and symbol in the profound mysteries of Nature, and thereby to assist each to discover his or her own true Identity."[3] The entire system is as follows:

The Man of Earth Triad
0°—Minerval
I°—Man & Brother / Woman & Sister
II°—Magician
III°—Master Magician
IV°—Perfect Magician & companion of the Holy Royal Arch of Enoch
P.I.—Perfect Initiate, or Prince of Jerusalem
Outside all Triads
Knight of the East & West
The Lover Triad
V°—
Sovereign Prince Rose-Croix, and Knight of the Pelican & Eagle
Knight of the Red Eagle, and Member of the Senate of Knight Hermetic Philosophers
VI°—
Illustrious Knight (Templar) of the Order of Kadosch, and Companion of the Holy Graal
Grand Inquisitor Commander, and Member of the Grand Tribunal
Prince of the Royal Secret
VII°—
Theoreticus, and Very Illustrious Sovereign Grand Inspector General
Magus of Light, and Bishop of Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica
Grandmaster of Light, and Inspector of Rites & Degrees
The Hermit Triad
VIII°—
Perfect Pontiff of the Illuminati
Epopt of the Illuminati
IX°—Initiate of the Sanctuary of the Gnosis
X°—Rex Summus Sanctissimus
XI°—Initiate of the Eleventh Degree (This degree is technical, and has no relation to the general plan of the Order)
XII°—Frater Superior, and Outer Head of the Order
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Structure
The governing bodies of O.T.O. include:

International Headquarters
Presided over by the Outer Head of the Order XII° (OHO—also known as Frater Superior)
Supreme Council
Revolutionaries
The Sovereign Sanctuary of the Gnosis of the IX°
The Secret Areopagus of the Illuminati of the VIII°
The Grand Tribunal of the VI°
The National Grand Lodge
Presided over by the National Grand Master X°
Executive Council
The Supreme Grand Council
The Electoral College
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International
1. International Headquarters is the body that governs O.T.O. worldwide. As a ruling body, it is known as the International Supreme Council, which consists of the Outer Head of the Order (OHO—also known as Frater Superior), the Secretary General, and the Treasurer General.

2. The Sovereign Sanctuary of the Gnosis consists of members who have reached the IX°. Their prime duty is to study and practice the theurgy and thaumaturgy of the degree, consisting of the Supreme Secret of the Order. However, as a ruling body, they have the authority to

ratify and overturn the rulings of the Areopogus
act as representitives of the OHO and National Grand Masters when need arises
fill the office of Revolutionary
vote within the Secret Areopagus
have some powers over the installation and removal of the OHO and National Grand Masters
3. The Secret Areopagus of the Illuminati is a philosophical Governing Body comprised of those who have reached the VIII°. It has the authority to reverse the decisions of the Grand Tribunal.

4. The Grand Tribunal is composed of members of the degree of Grand Inquisitor Commander (a sub-degree of the VI°). Their primary duty is to hear and abritrate disputes and complaints not resolved at the level of Chapters and Lodges.


National
1. At the national level, the highest body is the Grand Lodge, which is ruled by the National Grand Master. Within the Grand Lodge is an Executive Council, which consists of the Board of Directors, who are the National Grand Master, the Grand Secretary General, and the Grand Treasurer General.

2. The Supreme Grand Council consists of members of the VII° appointed by the National Grand Master X°. They are charged with:

the government of the whole of the Lovers Grave
Hearing and deciding appeals of the decisions of the Electoral College
Hearing reports of the Sovereign Grand Inspectors General VII° as to the affairs of the Initiate members of the Lovers Grade
3. The Electoral College consists of eleven members of the V° and is the first of the governing bodies. Its primary duty is to oversee the affairs of the Man of Earth Grade.

O.T.O. has a federally recognised tax-exempt status in the USA under IRS section 501c(3). It also has California charitable corporation status.

Current Grand Lodges
The US Grand Lodge is the governing body of O.T.O. in the United States of America. The U.S. National Grand Master is Fr. Sabazius X°, who was appointed in 1996.

According to their website, the Mission Statement of U.S.G.L. is as follows:

"Ordo Templi Orientis U.S.A. is the U.S. Grand Lodge (National Section) of Ordo Templi Orientis, a hierarchical, religious membership organization. Our mission is to effect and promote the doctrines and practices of the philosophical and religious system known as Thelema, with particular emphasis on cultivating the ideals of individual liberty, self-discipline, self-knowledge, and universal brotherhood. To this end, we conduct sacramental and initiatory rites, offer guidance and instruction to our members, organize social events, and engage in educational and community service activities at locations throughout the United States." [4]
The UK Grand Lodge is the governing body of O.T.O. in the United Kingdom. The U.K. National Grand Master is Fr. Hyperion X°, who was appointed in 2005 (93 years after the last Grand Master for the UK, Aleister Crowley, was elevated to that office).

The Gnostic Catholic Church
The Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica, or Gnostic Catholic Church, is the ecclesiastical arm of O.T.O. It's central activity is the celebration of Liber XV, The Gnostic Mass. In recent years, other rites have been written and approved for use within the church. These include Baptism, Confirmation (into the Laity), and Ordination (for Deacons, Priests & Priestesses, and Bishops), and Last Rites. There are also several "unofficial" rituals that are celebrated within the context of E.G.C., including Weddings, Visitation and Administration of the Virtues to the Sick, Exorcism, and Rites for Life and Greater Feasts.

O.T.O. bodies
At the Man of Earth level, there are three levels of Local Body, which are Camps, Oases, and Lodges.

1. Camps tend to be the smallest and are not required to perform intiations. They are encouraged to celebrate the Gnostic Mass.

2. Oases are the next largest, and should be able to initiate through the III°.

3. Lodges are the largest local body within the Man of Earth Grade, and are expected to celebrate the Gnostic Mass on a regular basis, work towards establishing a permanent temple, and have the ability to initiate through IV°/P.I.

4. Chapters of Rose Croix are bodies established by members of the Lover Grade. A Chapter is headed by a Most Wise Sovereign. They are generally charged with arranging social activities, such as plays, banquets, and dances. They also work to promote harmony among the members by tact and friendliness.

5. Guilds are groups recognized by O.T.O. International designed to promote a profession, trade, science or craft. Subject to approval by the Areopogus, they make their own regulations and coordinate their own efforts. There are currently three Guilds: the Psychology Guild, the Translators' Guild, and the Information Technology Guild.

6. The term Sanctuary is sometimes used to indicate a group of initiates organized for E.G.C. activities. This designation currently reflects no formal chartering process or official standing within the Order.

History

The beginnings
The founding of Ordo Templi Orientis began with a wealthy paper chemist, Carl Kellner (1851-1905). A student of the occult and familiar with several modern secret organizations, he had come to believe that he had discovered a “Key” to the symbolism of Freemasonry and to the Mysteries of Nature itself. He then aspired to create an Academia Masonica that would unifiy the various systems of Masonry. Kellner, along with an associate, Theodor Reuss (1855-1923), decided to call it the Oriental Templar Order. In 1902, Reuss, along with Franz Hartmann and Henry Klein, purchased the right to perform the Scottish, Memphis and Mizraim rites of Freemasonry, the authority of which was confirmed in 1904 and again in 1905. These rites, along with the Swedenborgian Rite, formed the core of the newly established Order. When Kellner died in 1905, Reuss assumed full control, becoming the first Outer Head of the Order.


O.T.O. and Aleister Crowley
Reuss met Aleister Crowley and in 1910 admitted him to the three degrees of O.T.O. Only two years later, Crowley was placed in charge of Great Britain and Ireland, and was advanced to the X°. The appointment included the operation of the Masonic degrees of O.T.O., which were called Mysteria Mystica Maxima. Within the year Crowley had written the Manifesto of the M.'.M.'.M.'. which described the basic ten-degree system—which was still principally Masonic—with Kellner’s three degree Academia Masonica forming the VII°, VIII° and IX°.

In 1913, Crowley composed the Gnostic Mass while in Moscow, which he described as being the Order’s “central ceremony of its public and private celebration.” In 1914, soon after World War I broke out, he moved to America. It was around this time that he decided to integrate Thelema into the O.T.O. system, and in 1915 had revised rituals prepared for use in his M.'.M.'.M.'.. He revised them again in 1918, and in so doing removed the rituals' ties to Masonry.

Lawrence Sutin writes in his Aleister Crowley biography that Reuss assigned Crowley to rewrite the rituals of the order, and accepted his Thelemic revisions. P.R. Koenig, who writes on the occult, denies the second part of this. But some Thelemites, including harsh critics of the "Caliphate" O.T.O., hold that Koenig allows bias against said organization to affect his work.

Crowley wrote that Theodor Reuss suffered a stroke in the Spring of 1920. In correspondence with one of his officers, Crowley expressed doubts about Reuss's competence to remain in office. Relations between Reuss and Crowley began to deteriorate. The two exchanged angry letters in November of 1921. Crowley informed Reuss that he was availing himself of Reuss's abdication from office and proclaiming himself the Outer Head of the Order. Reuss died on October 28, 1923. Crowley claimed in later correspondence that Reuss had designated him as his successor. Lawrence Sutin, among others, casts doubt on this claim. However, no other candidate stepped forward to refute Crowley by offering proof of succession. The Grand Master for Germany seemed to accept Crowley's claim at first, and signed an oath recognizing him as Prophet before their break.

During WWII, the European branches of O.T.O. were either destroyed or driven underground. By the end of the war, the only surviving O.T.O. body was Agapé Lodge in California, although there were various initiates in different countries. Very few initiations were being performed. At this time, Karl Germer, who had been Crowley’s representitive in Germany, came over to America after being released from Nazi confinement. In 1942, Crowley appointed him as his successor as OHO, the office he filled after the death of Crowley in 1947.

O.T.O. after Crowley
Under Germer, O.T.O. activity dropped to near extinction. He died in 1962 without naming a successor. It was not until 1969 that anyone stepped into the void when Grady McMurtry invoked his emergency authorization from Crowley and assumed the title of Caliph. He began performing initiations in 1970. O.T.O. was incorporated under the laws of the State of California on March 26th, 1979. The corporation attained Federal Tax exemption as a religious entity under IRS Code 501(c)3 in 1982. Grady McMurtry died in 1985, having successfully saved the O.T.O. from extinction.

McMurtry requested that members of the Sovereign Sanctuary (members of the Ninth Degree) elect the next Outer Head of the Order, which they did in 1985. William Breeze was elected to become the next OHO, taking the name Hymenaeus Beta, and he continues in that office today. In 1996, Sabazius X° was appointed as National Grand Master General for the U.S. Grand Lodge.

Schisms in the Thelemic community
Several competing factions currently claim to be the legitimate heirs to Aleister Crowley. After McMurtry revived O.T.O. in California, three others came forward to claim the title of OHO. Hermann Metzger had been a member of the early Swiss O.T.O. under Reuss. However, his claims were ignored by everyone outside of his country and he never pressed the issue. He died in 1990.

The other two were Kenneth Grant and Marcelo Ramos Motta. Grant had been expelled from O.T.O. in 1955 by Germer, but claims that Germer was never the legitimate OHO, and therefore the expulsion was void. He went on to found the organization known as the Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis, which still claims a small but devoted following. Motta was never initiated into O.T.O. at all, but claimed that Germer’s wife, Sasha, told him that Karl’s last words stated that Motta was “the follower.” He sued for ownership of Crowley’s copyrights, which were denied to him by the U.S. District Court in Maine. Motta died in 1987, although various small groups calling themselves Society O.T.O. (S.O.T.O.) continue to exist (Society OTO of David Bersson -USA- and Societas OTO of Gabriel López de Rojas -Spain-). Both of these groups are quite different in structure and teachings from McMurtry's revived Ordo Templi Orientis (sometimes referred to as the Caliphate O.T.O., which remains organized largely as it was under Crowley).

The O.T.O. as revived by McMurtry has won two court cases regarding its legitimacy as the 'real' O.T.O. of Aleister Crowley. The hallmark cases were:

1976: the Superior Court in Calaveras County, California recognizes Grady McMurtry as the authorized representative of O.T.O.
1985: in the 9th Federal District Court in San Francisco, McMurtry is found to be the legitimate head of O.T.O. within the United States, and that O.T.O. under McMurtry is the continuation of the O.T.O. of Aleister Crowley, and the exclusive owner of the names, trademarks, copyrights and other assets of O.T.O. This decision is appealed to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and upheld. The Supreme Court declined to hear a final appeal.
The following case is also significant in the Order's history, though it does not have much bearing on the issue of legitimacy:

2002: The United Kingdom High Court, in Ordo Templi Orientis v. John Symonds, Anthony Naylor and Mandrake Press, finds that O.T.O. as revived by McMurtry is the sole owner of the copyrights for all of the works of Aleister Crowley. In its particulars of claim, OTO had pled two mutually-exclusive routes to ownership of the copyrights: (a) through Crowley's will as the named beneficiary O.T.O., a route to title that had been affirmed in U.S. Federal Court but had never been tested under English law, and (b) the "bankruptcy route," on which theory O.T.O. acquired title to the copyrights from its 1991 from the U.K. Crown Official Receiver in Bankruptcy. The Chancery Master agreed that these two routes were largely mutually exclusive; if Crowley's copyrights were not an asset in his undischarged bankruptcy, then O.T.O. bought nothing, and could only claim through the will, under which the copyrights would have to pass; but if the rights were an asset in bankruptcy, then Crowley had lacked any power to make O.T.O. a bequest of them in his will. The court examined the bankruptcy aspect first, finding that O.T.O. acquired good title. The copyrights were thus Crown property between 1935 and 1991, making dozens of books -- even many of O.T.O.'s own editions -- unauthorized. Had the "will route" been tried, it would have given O.T.O. an opportunity to gain recognition in U.K. court as the legitimate continuation of Crowley's O.T.O., since that is a precondition to being found the rightful beneficiary of his will. Thus, the issue of the organisation's legitimacy did arise at trial, since it was pled into court, but it was not ruled upon. While there is no way to know whether, had it been tested, it would have been confirmed or denied, the O.T.O. made thorough legal preparations for this aspect of their case as detailed in their "Particulars of Claim". However, even O.T.O. would agree that it would be misleading to cite this case as affirming the organisation's historical legitimacy, since that issue went untried.

Teachings
The teachings of O.T.O. include:

Thelema
Magick
Rituals
Kabbalah
Hermeticism
Opposing views
Aleister Crowley and O.T.O. are frequently libeled as evil. Several Christian churches consider O.T.O. to be Satanic (although the tenets of Thelema do not include Satan or his worship) despite any evidence to support the claim.

There are those, including occultists and Thelemites of other organisations, such as members of Grant's Typhonian Ordo Templi Orientis, who do not agree that O.T.O. as revived by McMurtry is the sole legitimate continuation of the Order as headed by Aleister Crowley. Those who hold such views tend to refer to the O.T.O. as revived by McMurtry as the "Caliphate" O.T.O. (based on McMurtry's title of Caliph) so as to distinguish it from other organizations that use the name "Ordo Templi Orientis". There are even members of the O.T.O. as revived by McMurtry who refer to the organization as the "Caliphate", though this is discouraged.

Other organizations that use the O.T.O. name and consider themselves to be legitimate continuations of O.T.O., are O.T.O. Foundation, Albion O.T.O., The Parzival XI° O.T.O. Foundation.

In 2002, an ex-member writing under the pseudonym Satyr published on the web 'The Black Lodge of Santa Cruz', a detailed account of events from his viewpoint in O.T.O., Inc. [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ordo_Templi_Orientis&printable=yes

Bouncer
10-10-2005, 09:47 AM
I have a theory, fra_nothing! What is the one thing that can send these goons packing? What is it that they fear the most? Is it regular attendance at church? Public rallies? Not those things by and of them themselves. What is the secret ingredient? Well, Jesus gave a lesson on mountain-moving. That's right. When a Christian is observed speaking or acting in faith to produce tangible results, that is what does it. If you can act in a living faith to give evidence of God's love and power on the earth, then you are also destroying Satan's hold on it as well.
And that is what the Luciferians need to know: you can escape anytime that you want to, with faith. Those people in the inner circles know about the many doors. They have all walked through a door that is not known to the masses, but when they looked back, the door slammed shut and locked tight, just like in the old horror movies. At that moment they became slaves. They live in a desparate, lonely, tormented world, but we know how they will escape if they want to.

Insight
10-10-2005, 11:43 PM
Fascinating concepts and discussion boys.

But if I had a dollar for everytime somebody a person in history of present time assured me that Christianity was truely dead, or dying...

Seems to me Christianity is the fastest growing religion in the world today. Ecspecially if you count the underground churches on China.

However, I know that is NOT what you are getting at "fra-nothing".

Be careful with who your dealing with. Pride comes before the fall. Alot of us might very well "play for keeps" too, so to speak.

igwt
11-29-2005, 02:17 AM
Has anyone studied Crowleys philosophy? Is the site quoted correct?

Link Here (http://user.cyberlink.ch/%7Ekoenig/sunrise/xi.htm)

Bondi
11-29-2005, 02:47 AM
Another good source of info to check out and clarify is

Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis)

neenafoof
11-29-2005, 02:54 AM
Crowley, yawn, know that, been there, done that - to a point. Wanted something, did a spell.
Wanted to know something, did a divination.

I was a child of the wild 1970s and decadent 1980s.

I lived MY LIFE. I want the babies of today to have THAT KIND of world to live in.

Wicca, enochian magic, Santeria, voodoo - ex-wiccan priestess, all different varieties of paganism, facinated by Kenneth Grant - own all his books. Into Lovecraft and Giger - tripped on the New Orleans scene.

Read Tarot and other forms of divination and used psychometry PROFESSIONALLY.

Knew THE LOCALS!!!! Pictures and everything.

My dad was an atheist, aerospace engineer, heard it all, okay.

Let me tell you a story about when the winds of change seemed to sweep this country.

I was in high school when The Devil's Rain came out, my mom was on vacation, BEGGED MY DAD TO GO TO THE THEATER. Anton LaVey and Ernest Borgnine, 33 degree mason by the by.

Soon the shelves of the controlled media flooded the curious youth with all the quick fixes imaginable.

IF YOU LOOK LONG INTO THE ABYSS, IT LOOKS BACK AT YOU!

OCCULT BONDAGE - its tough.

But I met JESUS CHRIST on Christmas Eve watching Pope John Paul II mass in Rome and NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING - touches that.

Can't get what your looking for the other place...just can't. ITS JUST STRONG DELUSION. No joy, no peace, no lasting anything REAL.

BUT NOBODY GETS OUT IN ONE PIECE - WELCOME TO THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA.... (It was a street in San Francisco).

George_Bush
11-29-2005, 05:09 AM
AMEN! neenafoof! I'm glad you joined the rebel alliance! Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!

I'm the Magickal Heir of the Beast. Together, with your prayers and through the power of Christ the Lord, we can finish the work of destroying the Mystery of Iniquity through the Spirit of His Mouth!

Pray for us in our work for Christ in Romania. But, I am soon to be on my way to Scotland. There is some business that I must attend to in the Highlands.

But, first, I'm making a stop in London. There is a piece of information that can only be gleaned by visiting London in the flesh.

God bless you all. We are going to fight against the Beast with the Spirit of Jesus Christ.

AND WE SHALL CONQUER ALL! For this is the Church Triumphant!

NOW FOR WRATH! NOW FOR RUIN! AND THE SUN RISES!

--Fra N. 0=1


neenafoof wrote:
Crowley, yawn, know that, been there, done that - to a point. Wanted something, did a spell.
Wanted to know something, did a divination.

I was a child of the wild 1970s and decadent 1980s.

I lived MY LIFE. I want the babies of today to have THAT KIND of world to live in.

Wicca, enochian magic, Santeria, voodoo - ex-wiccan priestess, all different varieties of paganism, facinated by Kenneth Grant - own all his books. Into Lovecraft and Giger - tripped on the New Orleans scene.

Read Tarot and other forms of divination and used psychometry PROFESSIONALLY.

Knew THE LOCALS!!!! Pictures and everything.

My dad was an atheist, aerospace engineer, heard it all, okay.

Let me tell you a story about when the winds of change seemed to sweep this country.

I was in high school when The Devil's Rain came out, my mom was on vacation, BEGGED MY DAD TO GO TO THE THEATER. Anton LaVey and Ernest Borgnine, 33 degree mason by the by.

Soon the shelves of the controlled media flooded the curious youth with all the quick fixes imaginable.

IF YOU LOOK LONG INTO THE ABYSS, IT LOOKS BACK AT YOU!

OCCULT BONDAGE - its tough.

But I met JESUS CHRIST on Christmas Eve watching Pope John Paul II mass in Rome and NOTHING, NOTHING, NOTHING - touches that.

Can't get what your looking for the other place...just can't. ITS JUST STRONG DELUSION. No joy, no peace, no lasting anything REAL.

BUT NOBODY GETS OUT IN ONE PIECE - WELCOME TO THE HOTEL CALIFORNIA.... (It was a street in San Francisco).

Indred
11-29-2005, 08:32 AM
Who ever leaves that does not return. The door slammed shut, but later slowly opened. On the other side, what you left still stands as a warning and a greeting for now you are back.
All that was needed was to wait.

neenafoof
11-29-2005, 09:45 AM
The RESTRAINER is still here.

Everybody knows the RULES and what we wait for.

Last call, for more than alchohol.

noNWO4me
11-29-2005, 10:35 AM
Anonymous wrote:
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Distance is no barrier where Eye come from.

The O.T.O. in Australia will learn the meaning of 'down under'.

You fools. I eat Thelemite brain for breakfast.

It is what I was BORN to do.



Excuse me Member Anonymous/fra_nothing:
Why do you go under "member anonymous"? When you edit your post your membership name appears to the right of your post.
Don't you know this from one of your last posts?
Or did you not catch that?

Bondi
11-29-2005, 11:02 AM
When it says Member_Anonymous, it means the poster was a previous member who is now barred from the forum.