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10-07-2005, 07:19 PM
This is enough to make the Pope cuss:

Security fears as flu virus that killed 50 million is recreated

Ian Sample, science correspondent
Thursday October 6, 2005
The Guardian

Scientists have recreated the 1918 Spanish flu virus, one of the deadliest ever to emerge, to the alarm of many researchers who fear it presents a serious security risk.

Undisclosed quantities of the virus are being held in a high-security government laboratory in Atlanta, Georgia, after a nine-year effort to rebuild the agent that swept the globe in record time and claimed the lives of an estimated 50 million people.



It always seemed to me that the best place to be, in case of all-out nuclear attack on the US, would be ground zero. That way there'd be no long, lingering death from radiation poisoning.

NOW THIS!!!!!! The CDC is practically in my back yard. Hey, I only meant "Noocolar" bombs, not Biological!! Can we talk about this?? :-?

10-07-2005, 07:22 PM
No, no, no. They are not stupid, they are following orders. Just follow the string the puppets are being pulled on. :-P

10-07-2005, 07:25 PM
blinded by their own intelligence and their paycheck, they do what the dark masters in govt. tell them to. :-P

10-07-2005, 07:43 PM
Of course, you're right, but it is just so very, very sad.

So much potential, so much promise, all headed for the dust bin of history.

What you want to bet, the big guys either have a vaccine or they will be in residence, read seclusion, on top of the Alps somewhere in Switzerland or Antarctica or Agharta - maybe inside the moon - until it mutates itself into harmlessness, as all epidemics/pandemics do?

10-07-2005, 07:52 PM
Well, there was the Manhatan Project which led to the destruction of Hiroshima; not because of need, but for want of morbid curiousity.

10-07-2005, 07:56 PM
but yeah, they have their safe places or antidotes/vaccine. It is un-nerving to me that I'm being viewed as a cockroach. :-P

10-07-2005, 08:20 PM
I couldn't beleive that they did such a stupid thing.

"To learn more about the current bird flu" ?

WTF, how ?

Create a vaccine ?

We didn't need it...it was dead.

How can they test it...well they've shown it kills monkeys and chickens, which is the justification at present.

But resurecting a deceased virus for that ?

Now Reading : The Stand.

10-07-2005, 09:13 PM
It may be "scientific stupidty" to US, but for them it serves a "brilliant" purpose.

Could be that they really didn't recreate it.

10-08-2005, 12:07 AM
Why was the "Spanish flu" influenza virus called the "Spanish flu" when it originated, by historic accounts, in Tibet in 1917? It is said that Spanish newspapers were the only ones reporting on the great plague due to their neutrality over World War I politics. However, Spain was as dear to America then as Communist China is to the United States today. The "Spanish flu" was named such following two decades of disputes between America and Spain over colonization of the Caribbean Islands, Hawaii and the Phillippines beginning with the Spanish American war that ended in the Phillippines in 1902. Does this history appear to be repeating with the advent of SARS, allegedly from China?
(<a href="http://www.whale.to/a/sars2.htm">SARS - A Great Global SCAM By Leonard G. Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH</a>)

On top of that, I read somewhere that the Spanish "Flu" was in fact a bona fide biological agent created by the US. I'll try to find that report somehow.


This could be it:

<a href="http://www.mercola.com/2003/may/31/spanish_flu.htm">Vaccinations Not Virus Responsible for Spanish Flu</a>

The following is an interesting commentary about an article on the 1918-1920 pandemic, which the propaganda says was caused by Spanish flu (Irish Examiner, May 1).

It took a British science team to identify the first virus in man in 1933, yet propaganda says that the virus of Spanish flu killed millions of civilians and soldiers during the pandemic from 1918 to 1920.

Many would have us believe that all those American soldiers who died from non-combatant causes died from Spanish flu. However, U.S. Army records show that seven men died after being vaccinated.

Further, according to a report from U.S. Secretary of War Henry L Stimson, the deaths were not only verified but also there had been 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis reported as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of the war.

Plus, the yellow fever vaccination was only one of the 14 to 25 shots given to recruits.

After vaccination became a requirement in the U.S. Army in 1911, cases of typhoid and vaccinal diseases increased rapidly, according to Army records. The death rate from typhoid reached the highest point in the history of the U.S. Army after America entered the war in 1917.

In 1917, 19,608 men were admitted into army hospitals due to anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia, according to a report of the Surgeon-General of the U.S. Army; and this doesn’t take into account others whose symptoms were attributed to other causes.

The army doctors knew all these cases of disease and death were due to vaccination and were honest enough to admit it in their medical reports.

Army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, however it caused a worse form of typhoid, paratyphoid.

They then concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress the previous one and created an even worse disease--Spanish flu.

After the war, this was one of the vaccines used to protect a panic-stricken world from the soldiers returning from WWI battlefronts infected with dangerous diseases.

The rest is history.

<a href="http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/opinion/Full_Story/did-sg0mhRGR66i1Msgdq-nXlDAyFE.asp">Irish Examiner.com</a> May 8, 2003


Also this quite long article could be interesting:


10-12-2005, 07:24 AM
Here's a current article on Makow's site on the topic of the Spanish Flu of 1919.

1919 Flu Pandemic caused by Vaccines by Jon Rappoport

October 11, 2005

Here is another analysis, written about 25 years ago by Eleanor
McBean. This excerpt, from chapter two of her book, Vaccination
Condemned, makes a quite different observation:


All the doctors and people who were living at the time of the 1918
Spanish Influenza epidemic say it was the most terrible disease the
world has ever had. Strong men, hale and hearty, one day would be dead
the next. The disease had the characteristics of the black death added
to typhoid, diphtheria, pneumonia, smallpox, paralysis and all the
diseases the people had been vaccinated with immediately following
World War 1. Practically the entire population had been injected
"seeded" with a dozen or more diseases ? or toxic serumss. When all
those doctor-made diseases started breaking out all at once it was tragic.

That pandemic dragged on for two years, kept alive with the addition
of more poison drugs administered by the doctors who tried to suppress
the symptoms. As far as I could find out, the flu hit only the
vaccinated. Those who had refused the shots escaped the flu. My family
had refused all the vaccinations so we remained well all the time. We
knew from the health teachings of Graham, Trail, Tilden and others,
that people cannot contaminate the body with poisons without causing

When the flu was at its peak, all the stores were closed as well as
the schools, businesses ? even the hospital, ass the doctors and nurses
had been vaccinated too and were down with the flu. No one was on the
streets. It was like a ghost town. We [who didn't taken any vaccines]
seemed to be the only family which didn't get the flu; so my parents
went from house to house doing what they could to look after the sick,
as it was impossible to get a doctor then. If it were possible for
germs, bacteria, virus, or bacilli to cause disease, they had plenty
of opportunity to attack my parents when they were spending many hours
a day in the sick rooms. But they didn't get the flu and they didn't
bring any germs home to attack us children and cause anything. None of
our family had the flu ? not even a sniffle? and it wa was in the winter
with deep snow on the ground.

It has been said that the 1918 flu epidemic killed 20,000,000 people
throughout the world. But, actually, the doctors killed them with
their crude and deadly treatments and drugs. This is a harsh
accusation but it is nevertheless true, judging by the success of the
drugless doctors in comparison with that of the medical doctors.

While the medical men and medical hospitals were losing 33% of their
flu cases, the non-medical hospitals such as BATTLE CREEK, KELLOGG and
MACFADDEN'S HEALTH-RESTORIUM were getting almost 100% healings with
their water cure, baths, enemas, etc., fasting and certain other
simple healing methods, followed by carefully worked out diets of
natural foods. One health doctor didn't lose a patient in eight years.
The very successful health treatment of one of those drugless doctors
who didn't lose any patients will be given in the other part of this
book, titled VACCINATION CONDEMNED, to be published a little later.

If the medical doctors had been as advanced as the drugless doctors,
there would not have been those 20 million deaths from the medical flu

There was seven times more disease among the vaccinated soldiers than
among the unvaccinated civilians, and the diseases were those they had
been vaccinated against. One soldier who had returned from overseas in
1912 told me that the army hospitals were filled with cases of
infantile paralysis and he wondered why grown men should have an
infant disease. Now, we know that paralysis is a common after-effect
of vaccine poisoning. Those at home didn't get the paralysis until
after the world-wide vaccination campaign in 1918.

End of excerpt

JON RAPPOPORT www.nomorefakenews.com

See also

<a href="http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html">The poisoned needle - suppressed facts about vaccination</a>
by Eleanor McBean

10-12-2005, 06:52 PM
Thanks for that one Draken.

10-13-2005, 05:46 PM
I highly doubt there are anti-dotes. If you take the vaccine, you are getting something, but not a "get away from disease" free card.

Where is the proof that any vaccine has worked to save one life?

10-13-2005, 11:47 PM
One to test your "knows no bounds" threshold.

Picked up last weeks New Scientist magazine today, and they say the following about H1N1 (1918 flu).

"Infected virtually everyone on the planet"
"Made about a third of them sick"
"3 Percent of whom died"

Went on to say that it was a genuine bird flu that managed to infect humans.

Yet somewhere a voice is screaming:
they've reconstructed one of the most deadly viruses of all time ! They are studying it in live mice, and at only the second highest level of containment. The people handling it are not wearing full protective suits, but merely taking antiviral drugs that may not be totally effective. If someone catches the infection, it could prove impossible to contain

Are their families, the people who handle their money at the service station, or the people who use the toilet after them given the same (probably) effective drugs.

I remember the complete lack of fuss about the Calici virus escaping a secure, quarantined are with no landborne connections a few years ago.

Is this what they plan with us and the flu ?

Now reading: The Stand.