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Khopesh
10-08-2005, 11:14 AM
Hello all.

Ive often heard about conflicts between different illumanati factions, moreover a general clash between the NWO and China.
However there is also much said that all forces on earth are controlled one way or another by the elites.
Is China one of the few truely independant nations on earth?

What do ya reckon?

Draken
10-08-2005, 12:45 PM
No, I don't think China is in any way independent. My opinion is that the NWO equals Communism, therefore China is the NWO. The NWO agenda is identical to the International Communist agenda, in fact, it's been implemented in USA since Roosevelt and it was infiltrated long before him. Therefore the American NWO cabal are really Marxist-Leninists in diguise, (the neocons are all confessed adherents of Communist factions, be it Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky or Mao) and the only difference between them and the Red Chinese is the masks they are wearing. I don't have time now to go into detail, but check out this chapter on the <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030913184159/www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/li.htm">Li bloodline</a> from Springmeier's <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20030825093657/www.thewatcherfiles.com/bloodlines/index.htm">The Satanic Bloodlines</a>.

By the way, saw the big <a href="http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demnow/demand/2005/sept/video/grapple.rm">debate between Hitchens and Galloway</a> the other day. What a hoodwink. Hitchens begins by basically bragging about having been a Trotskyite and Galloway has a Socialist past as well. This big "event" being moderated by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now and Pacifica Radio, a well-known Leftist so-called "gatekeeper". All in all a completely Socialist event with nobody at all anywhere NEAR the REAL other side of the spectrum.

sablefish
10-08-2005, 01:43 PM
Draken.. I hate to admit it but, that lines up with H.W.Bush being ambassador to China. Still, I wonder why there seems to be friction.. for instance with Russia and China willing to veto U.N. actions against Iran.

10-08-2005, 02:50 PM
Ah, which Bush klansmen have ties to China?

Anyone?

Draken
10-08-2005, 04:29 PM
BlueAngel, you are jesting, right? Is there anything NOT manifactured in China these days? I'd say there's plenty of ties. But if you mean blood-wise, I don't know. Maybe there's some info on that in that Springmeier chapter. But generally I would not dismiss blood ties based on external physical appearances. For example, most Europeans are from Aryan blood and ancestry even though they have different appearances...

10-08-2005, 04:55 PM
I'm not speaking about maufacturing. I'll have to dig it up.

truebeliever
10-08-2005, 09:17 PM
China is a totally owned and operate subsidery of the anglo/U.S banking establishment.

China lives on 50 billion a month of direct investment from the West.

With the pressing of a few buttons China would collapse overnight...literally.

The weapons that really matter are sold to them by the West.

If you hear someone talking about the threat of China they are either a paid hack or incredibly underinformed.

nohope187
10-08-2005, 09:22 PM
I think it's safe to say since, China has their currency tied to US, they will fall when Amerika does.

Shannow
10-09-2005, 04:02 AM
nohope, didn't they cut themselves adrift the other week ?

freeman
10-09-2005, 07:44 AM
China's ties to the U. S. dollar can always be severed as necessary.
Keep in mind that a sudden devaluation of the dollar would not be nearly as disastrous to the Chinese economy, since their stanard of living is so much lower by Western standards. The sinister beauty of keeping one's people on the bottom rung is that there is never any chance of them falling any lower and rising up against government in retaliation.
In a worst-case scenario, life would go on much the same for the average coolie while the Chinese leadership took the necessary measures to convert to Euros or some other monetary system.

truebeliever
10-09-2005, 08:22 AM
You know...if the U.S was'nt totally subverted from within it could ride out the storm quite easily.

So what if you owe trillions? Whats China gunna do? Invade? :-D

Oz and the U.S are very similar, they have so many of the nescessities present within their system they have no need for foreign exchange or credibility. They could just close the door and walk away whistling dixie.

Khopesh
10-09-2005, 09:30 AM
Yeah interesting.
Certainly the majority of the Chinese population is virtualy self sufficient, if some trade action were taken I dont think it would effect the majority of the population in the slightest.
An oil blockade maybe, but with at least 30 new "meltdown proof" pebble bed nuclear reactors coming online in the next couple of years and 200 planned for maybe even this wouldnt effect it as much as we would think.
Certainly no-where near as much as it would to a western country, the Chinese are a very resiliant people and can take a punch far better than any western nation, look what happened in New Orleans after a day or two!
Many suggest at any given point western civilisation is only three hot dinners away from anarchy.
Chinese culture is also very strong with a continous 5/6000 years of continuity, I wouldnt be at all supprised if they had their own bloodlines pulling strings.
We face an interesting dilema, if the world is totaly controlled why the stress, weather wars etc?
Factionalism?
To keep the world population occupied?
Because I think most of the west is to busy watching big brother household or football on tv to notice anyway.
The main reason China is an enigma to me is that virtually every prophecy of a future WW3 speaks of a massive army/hord from the east (200 000 000 in one prediction) wipeing everything out in its way.
The only nation state in any position to do this is China. (It can raise an army of two hundred million in seven weeks)
I think also it is foolish or arrogant on our part to underestimate them, they are adept in mind controll techniqes and have had a tesla scalar weapons program in place for some time.
The Chinese consider the US a paper tiger and they are certainly a handfull at the very least.
In the latest war gaming senarios between the US and Nth Korea guess who won?
They ran the program over and over and kept getting the same results, and thats only Korea!
In the latest wargames with India the US airforce also came off second best, the west is loosing its technological gap every day.

Old barby Bush better learn to use chopsticks :-P