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Barbara
10-11-2005, 11:56 AM
The Protocols Removed
Can The ADL Silence Every Voice?

Alton Raines

10-10-5

ADL Calls for "Protocols" to be Stricken from Official Palestinian Authority Website

Update: "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" was removed from the Palestinian site on May 18 after ADL spoke out.

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Jerusalem, May 17, 2005...The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called on Palestinian authorities to immediately remove an Arabic translation of the entire "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" from their official State Information Service Web site.

ADL's Israel Office issued the following statement:

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is the classic in racist and paranoid literature and has been heralded by anti-Semites around the world as proof that the Jews are plotting to take over the world. While The Protocols have been thoroughly discredited the document is still being used to stir up anti-Semitic hatred especially throughout the Arab world.

It is simply unacceptable particularly at this time of confidence building toward a better future between Israelis and Palestinians for the official Palestinian Authority Web site to display this hoax, which continues to poison and frighten minds. Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas should immediately have this document stricken from the Web site for which he is ultimately responsible and devote space to explaining the origins of this dastardly and dangerous piece.

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslME_62/4716_62.htm

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Now, let us contrast this with the blatant statement by the late Prime Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983 - :

"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

Imagine President Bush saying something similar regarding Christians, Americans... any group or race? What would the world reaction be? Are the Protocols a work of fiction in order to bring certain truths to light which could not in any other way be expressed, or a valid document, closely echoing the still cherished Talmud, revealing what Zionists don't want widely understood by the world populace?

Is truth something which only Jews/Zionists may control in this world? It certainly seems to be the case, considering their attempts to legislate control of speech not only in Israel but, with great audacity, here in the US and worldwide. I wonder if the Talmud published on an official Palestinian website, or say the official website of the Vatican, would result in similar ADL pressures and eventual censorship? Would the striking rabbinic comments about gentiles being lower than cattle and inhuman beasts unworthy of justice cause enough of a stir for them to denounce their own sacred literature? Have we already seen this happen with the Protocols?

It plays to only the most morally abased and idiotic audience, this game of "tag the anti-semite." It's not fooling anyone with two brain cells still functioning, and that means that the Congressmen and Senators who presently support the Zionist backed 'hate crime' legislation do so knowingly, willfully, fully cognizant of their unconstitutional act of evil. They can labeled no other way, for it is an insult to the intelligence of every citizen to suggest that these men and women in national legislature are being "fooled" by crafty Zionists. No, they ARE Zionists, and they know exactly what liberties they are tossing up on the chopping block... and they don't give a damn. Scoring points with the Zionist hierarchy is all that matters; Getting that prized Bilderberger/Illuminati pat on the back and unseen stipend and all the lucious perks wherewith the whore of Babylon will entreat and entertain these loathesome bastards is more important to them than their own political careers.

America, your Constitution is breathing its last. And now quite a number of Senators are ready to kick the plug out from the wall to the life support system. It's a dark ride ahead.

freeman
10-11-2005, 12:06 PM
Good post,Barbara.
Not much more I can add except to say that this is a policy which will ultimately backfire bigtime on both the ADL and Israel.

nomad
10-11-2005, 08:13 PM
Now, let us contrast this with the blatant statement by the late Prime Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983 - :

"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

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Does anybody seriously believe that he is not

telling it like it is ???

As I have said before, the ONLY reason the

Indians lost their land was because there

were not as intelligent as the white man.

Now, can't the goyim admit to their weakness of

being S-T-U-P-I-D ???

Because, if the goyim thinks he is indeed smart

or just as smart, history will just keep repeating

itself.

freeman
10-11-2005, 08:23 PM
(Sigh) I know this argument seems to go circular, nomad, but you keep confusing intelligence with deviousness.
A Mafia don is cunning, but don't ask him to work a differential calculus equation.
An old college professor of mine once told me that there are all kinds of intelligence, i. e., intellectual intelligence, political intelligence, social intelligence, right down to plain old street smarts. Your argument inplies that the only kind of intelligence that deserves merit is the kind that enables some to dominate others, no matter how ruthles, immoral and downright evil the process.
By this theory, Jews are the Master Idiots, because they fail to understand how they make themelves so hated and persecuted by the rest of the world.
It comes down to this: Is it more intelligent to do good or to do evil? Which is self-sustaining and which is self-destructive?

Thumper
10-11-2005, 08:44 PM
I thought it's already common knowledge around here that the Protocols were written for LUCIFERIANS, and not Jews per se. Would those a part of the 'master race' be subject to a holocaust by their own??? of course not.

freeman
10-11-2005, 08:50 PM
I thought it's already common knowledge around here that the Protocols were written for LUCIFERIANS, and not Jews per se.

Correct. I was responding hypothetically to nomad's continuous assertion that all Jews believe in this Zionist racial superiority hype.

Drew_J
12-07-2005, 12:11 AM
I like Henry Makow, believe the protocols has their origin with the Rothschilds. William Guy Carr in his book Pawns In The Game, makes the same assertion. Some besides making note of the Rothschild-Weishaupt connection say there is a priory of sion connection. That's it's really the protocols of Sion.

I have emailed Henry Makow before. Both times it was on the Rothschild connection to the protocols. Here is what I sent him the second time.

I previously sent you a link to a script of "The Money masters" http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/money-masters.html along with some more information on the Rothschild connection to the Protocols. I mentioned William Guy Carr's book which mentions this connection and I have found an entire chapter out of William Guy Carr's book Pawns in The Game who claims, like you, the Protocols have their origin in the Rothschilds.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pawns.htm

I also came upon a page which discusses the infamous Priory of Sion. It mentions how the Protocols go back to the Rothschilds and how it grew over time.
http://www.biblebeliever.org/prophecy/ww3b.htm
"Priory de Sion had previously set in motion other secret societies as; Rosicrucians, [speculative] Freemasonry, etc. to prepare and train men. But now they needed to find a man who could develop an occult society in Europe above the current ones, to generate the additional manpower needed, so they could expand their spheres of influence. This would also allow the Rothschild Cabal -- which was the power above Priory de Sion --to insulate themselves even further from suspicion, and place them as an even deeper imbedded layer of hidden influence"

"To make an interesting story very short, they through connections got connected around the year 1773. The Rothschild cabal and Weishaupt spent the next 3 years formulating their conspiracy and re-working their founding document: Protocols of the Learned Elders of Sion. Note that it is Sion not Zion and that also, it is an encoded document. As best as can be known; John Dee (the original British Agent 007), Sir Francis Bacon, and others; 'originally' began this document, in the early 1600's. Therefore, when you see someone spelling it Zion and claiming it to be of an Israeli conspiracy, these are the proofs that they do not understand it.

This is NOT a document authored by Hebrews or of Israelites. NOR is it any conspiracy concocted by any of the 12 tribes of Jacob.

It was however a document originally of Priory de Sion - bankers, now international bankers. Basically, it was their constitution to take-over and control the entire globe, in future history."

"So on, May 01, 1776 Adam Weishaupt was made the leader of a new, Luciferian occult society which became known as, the Bavarian-Illuminati.

Pragmatically, it was an engine of warfare against civilization.

A total of 13 Protocols were in existence at the founding of the Bavarian-Illuminati. Later over the years, there were minor adjustments made to them, and 11 more were added. By the year 1900, there were a total of 24.

Adam Weishaupt's plan to gain manpower was to go through the occult-secret societies of Europe and recruit their best and brightest to the plan of creating a New World Order. The recruits also had to meet at least 1 of the 3 other requirements; position or degrees, power, money.

Weishaupt's next great accomplishment came on July 16, 1782 at Wilhelmsbad, Germany. Here at a series of meetings with the highest level Masons of Europe, the Illuminati and Freemasonry were merged.

Freemasonry would now be an outer visible organization concealing the Illuminati as an invisible inner core. Two separate yet interdependent orders, a fraternity hidden within another fraternity.

It is the same even today, as 95% of the Masons have not a clue as to what is going on with the other 5%, nor do they even know it exists!"

Bondi
12-09-2005, 09:58 AM
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion "Sion" is a fake, fraud, it is not an authentic document. It was created pretext and rationale for anti-Semitism and for anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda in the first half of the 20th century.

Read This (http://www.masonicinfo.com/protocols.htm) before you discard it as a masonic source, check out the facts stated. They are all true.

Or even try the ever useful Wikipaedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion)

Do you guys check out anything before you post it up?

Drew_J
12-09-2005, 02:12 PM
Okay, you asked for it and now you're going to get it pal.

Protocol 1
Political freedom is an idea but not a fact. This idea one must know how to apply whenever it appears necessary with this bait of an idea to attract the masses of the people to one's party for the purpose of crushing another who is in authority. This task is rendered easier if the opponent has himself been infected with the idea of freedom, SO-CALLED LIBERALISM, and, for the sake of an idea, is willing to yield some of his power. It is precisely here that the triumph of our theory appears: the slackened reins of government are immediately, by the law of life, caught up and gathered together by a new hand, because the blind might of the nation cannot for one single day exist without guidance, and the new author merely fits into the place of the old already weakened by liberalism.
So brainwash the people into thinking they are free so that they will easily give up rights because they still have it in their head that they are free. Nah, couldn't happen. Not today. :-D

Protocol 1
Men in masses and the men of the masses, being guided solely by petty passions, paltry beliefs, customs, traditions and sentimental theorism, fall a prey to party disension, which hinders any kind of agreement even on the basis of a perfectly reasonable argument.
Such as being blinded by the false left right paradigm?

Protocol 2
In the hands of the States of to-day there is a great force that creates the movement of thought in the people, and that is the Press. The part played by the Press is to keep pointing out requirements supposed to be indispensable, to give voice to the complaints of the people, to express and to create discontent. It is in the Press that the triumph of freedom of speech finds its incarnation. But the goyim States have not known how to make use of this force; and it has fallen into our hands. Through the Press we have gained the power to influence while remaining ourselves in the shade; thanks to the Press we have got the gold in our hands, notwithstanding that we have had to gather it out of oceans of blood and tears. But it has paid us, though we have sacrificed many of our people. Each victim on our side is worth in the sight of God a thousand goyim.
Funny how life immitates fiction since Jews do control significant portions of the media. The following is a clip from a Rense article. (http://www.rense.com/general38/brits.htm)

The Zionist Jews have an almost total grip on the media in Britain, systematically, constantly and intensely feeding their propaganda and example to almost everyone in Britain, which is nothing new. With this media, they are uniformly, deliberately, systematically, constantly and intensely promoting both the transformation and permanent destruction of Britain into a multiracial, "multicultural" state, and also the interests of the so-called "state of Israel", against the wishes and interests of the native British people. All of the following powerful controllers/owners are Jews:

And here is another clip from another article. (http://www.rense.com/general44/sevenjewishamericans.htm)

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

I could add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel".

All the owners of major American media are Jewish. But of course stating a fact of reality makes me racist. Hey, guess what, most of you on here are Americans. I guess saying that makes me racist against Americans. I'm an anti-American apparently. But I'm not the only one who is willing to point out the facts about media control. Here is what now dead Israeli journalist Israel Shahak has to say:

"An Israeli journalist points out that the "news" isn't a business; it's a way
of keeping the "sheeple" in line with carefully-placed propaganda.
"

Protocol 3
The goyim have lost the habit of thinking unless prompted by the suggestions of our specialists.
Can't disagree here. Goyum means idiot masses or sheeple.

Protocol 3
After a thorough study of this knowledge the peoples will voluntarily submit to authority and accept such position as is appointed them in the State. In the present state of knowledge and the direction we have given to its development the people, blindly believing things in print - cherishes - thanks to promptings intended to mislead and to its own ignorance a blind hatred towards all conditions which it considers above itself, for it has no understanding of the meaning of class and condition.
Propaganda by the media? But that's what going on by the jewish owned media. Life immitates fiction.

Protocol 3
The word "freedom" brings out the communities of men to fight against every kind of force, against every kind of authority, even against God and the laws of nature. For this reason we, when we come into our kingdom, shall have to erase this word from the lexicon of life as implying a principle of brute force which turns mobs into bloodthirsty beasts.
"Kill them arabs. They blew America up. The government says so. Evidence be damned. Hit them before they hit us."

Protocol 4
Gentile masonry blindly serves as a screen for us and our objects, both the plan of action of our force, even its very abiding-place, remains for the whole people an unknown mystery.
Well lookie here. Our good old friends the freemasons.

Protocol 4
In order to give the goyim no time to think and take note, their minds must be diverted towards industry and trade. Thus, all the nations will be swallowed up in the pursuit of gain and in the race for it will not take note of their common foe. But again, in order that freedom may once for all disintegrate and ruin the communities of the goyim, we must put industry on a speculative basis: the result of this will be that what is withdrawn from the land by industry will slip through the hands and pass into speculation, that is, to our classes.
That smacks of corporatization and capitalistic greed. Reminds me of McDonalds. :-D

Protocol 5
We shall create an intensified centralisation of government in order to grip in our hands all the forces of the community. We shall regulate mechanically all the actions of the political life of our subjects by new laws. These laws will withdraw one by one all the indulgences and liberties which have been permitted by the goyim, and our kingdom will be distinguished by a despotism of such magnificent proportions as to be at any moment and in every place in a position to wipe out any goyim who oppose us by deed or word.
Forget milk. Got Patriot Act?

Protocol 5
Moreover, the art of directing masses and individuals by means of cleverly manipulated theory and verbiage, by regulations of life in common and all sorts of other quirks, in all which the goyim understand nothing, belongs likewise to the specialists of our administrative brain. Reared on analysis, observation, on delicacies of fine calculation, in this species of skill we have no rivals, any more than we have either in the drawing up of plans of political actions and solidarity. In this respect the Jesuits alone might have compared with us, but we have contrived to discredit them in the eyes of the unthinking mob as an overt organisation, while we ourselves all the while have kept our secret organisation in the shade. However, it is probably all the same to the world who is its sovereign lord, whether the head of Catholicism or our despot of the blood of Zion! But to us, the Chosen People, it is very far from being a matter of indifference.
What does the pope/papacy have to do with the Illuminati? Oh nevermind. I saw a thread in here recently about Vatican assassins and how it's been infiltrated by Satanists. Sorry. Had retrograde amnesia there for a second. Life immitates fiction once again.

Protocol 5
Nowadays it is more important to disarm the peoples than to lead them into war: more important to use for our advantage the passions which have burst into flames than to quench their fire: more important to catch up and interpret the ideas of others to suit ourselves than to eradicate them.
Pretty good for a piece of fiction wouldn't you say? What with the United Nations, which was Rockefeller funded constantly calling for a universal ban on handguns. Wait a second. This week Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin called for a ban on handguns. Life immitates fiction. Martin is also completely controlled by Jews. He once said Israel's interests are Canada's.

Protocol 5
In all ages the peoples of the world, equally with individuals, have accepted words for deeds, for THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A SHOW and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance. Therefore we shall establish show institutions which will give eloquent proof of their benefit to progress.
FEMA. Congress. Education. FDA.

Protocol 5
IN ORDER TO PUT PUBLIC OPINION INTO OUR HANDS WE MUST BRING IT INTO A STATE OF BEWILDERMENT BY GIVING EXPRESSION FROM ALL SIDES TO SO MANY CONTRADICTORY OPINIONS AND FOR SUCH LENGTH OF TIME AS WILL SUFFICE TO MAKE THE GOYIM LOSE THEIR HEADS IN THE LABYRINTH AND COME TO SEE THAT THE BEST THING IS TO HAVE NO OPINION OF ANY KIND IN MATTERS POLITICAL, which it is not given to the public to understand, because they are understood only by him who guides the public. This is the first secret.
Confuse people into apathy? Nah, that'll never happen. :-D

Protocol 7
We must compel the governments of the goyim to take action in the direction favoured by our widely conceived plan, already approaching the desired consummation, by what we shall represent as public opinion, secretly prompted by us through the means of that so-called "Great Power" --THE PRESS, WHICH, WITH A FEW EXCEPTIONS THAT MAY BE DISREGARDED, IS ALREADY ENTIRELY IN OUR HANDS.
You mean they want to use the media to trick us into war with other countries? Nah, couldn't happen. That whole Afghanistan and Iraq thing was nonsense. Iran probably is too. Wait. No it's not. (http://www.georgecarlin.com/snitz05/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1874)

Protocol 8
We shall surround our government with a whole world of economists. That is the reason why economic sciences form the principal subject of the teaching given to the Jews. Around us again will be a whole constellation of bankers, industrialists, capitalists and - THE MAIN THING - MILLIONAIRES, BECAUSE IN SUBSTANCE EVERYTHING WILL BE SETTLED BY THE QUESTION OF FIGURES. For a time, until there will no longer be any risk in entrusting responsible posts in our States to our brother-Jews we shall put them in the hands of persons whose past and reputation are such that between them and the people lies an abyss, persons who, in case of disobedience to our instructions, must face criminal charges or disappear -- this in order to make them defend our interest to their last gasp.
Jews and money...I don't need to go there again.

Protocol 9
You may say the goyim will rise upon us, arms in hand if they guess what is going on before the time comes; but in the West we have against this a maneuver of such appalling terror that the very stoutest hearts quail - the undergrounds, metropolitains, those subterranean corridors which, before the time comes, will be driven under all the capitals and from whence those capitals will be blown into the air with all their organisations and archives.
We'll be attacked from bunkers? Wow. FEMA has bunkers all over the place. Cheney even hid in a bunker when he was directing the war games on the morning of 9-11 to get NORAD to stand down. The writer must have been clairvoyant or something. Also pay no attention the the secret underground catacombs. (http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/catacombs_restaurant.htm) The news stories in these are the real conspiracy. What was that? What underground military bases? What are you talking about? (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2276&forum=13&PHPSESSID=3837f93f33144e75d20c3eacd6263979)

Protocol 9
We have got our hands into the administration of the law into the conduct of elections, into the press into liberty of the person, BUT PRINCIPALLY INTO EDUCATION AND TRAINING AS BEING THE CORNER-STONES OF A FREE EXISTENCE.
So they want to commit election fraud? Naaahhh. That'll never happen. It's too absurd to think of.

Protocol 10
When we have accomplished our coup d'etat we shall say then to the various people: Everything has gone terribly badly, all have been worn out with sufferings. We are destroying the causes of your torment - nationalities, frontiers, differences of coinage.

United Nations anyone? Euro anyone?

Protocol 10
Independently of this we shall invest the president with the right of declaring a state of war. We shall justify this last right on the ground that the president as chief of the whole army of the country must have it at his disposal, in case of need for the defence of the new republican constitution, the right to defend which will belong to him as the responsible representative of this constitution.
So they want to control our presidents and give us ones who will give us war? Nah, that'll never happen. Well if you ignore Vietnam and Iraq. Oh never mind. Never gonna happen. And forget about Afghanistan too. Never gonna happen.

Protocol 11
This, then, is the programme of the new constitution. We shall make Law, Right and Justice (1) in the guise of proposals to the Legislative Corps, (2) by decrees of the president under the guise of general regulations, of orders of the Senate and of resolutions of the State Council in the guise of ministerial orders, (3) and in case a suitable occasion should arise-in the form of a revolution in the State.

Having established approximately the "modus agendi" we will occupy ourselves with details of those combinations by which we have still to complete the revolution in the course of the machinery of State in the direction already indicated. By these combinations I mean the freedom of the Press, the right of association, freedom of conscience, the voting principle and many another that must disappear for ever from the memory of man or undergo a radical alteration the day after the promulgation of the new constitution. It is only at that moment that we shall be able at once to announce all our orders for afterwards, every noticeable alteration will be dangerous for the following reasons: if this alteration be brought in with harsh severity and in a sense of severity and limitations, it may lead to a feeling of despair caused by fear of new alterations in the same direction
The goyim are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock? . . .

There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties....
So the fictional Zionists want to get around Congress? Nah that'll never happen. Well if you ignore Kennedy and Johnson sending troops into Vietnam without Congress' approval. And taking away freedom of speech? Like with the Patriot Act and UN control of the internet? Nah, that'll never happen. Ignore those things. Also ignore how Congess wasn't allowed to read the Patriot Act. And pay no attention to them wanting to making the Patriot Act permanent. (http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/permanent_patriotact.htm) Pay no attention to how the ADL is trying to declare the bible anti-semitic (http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/09-17-05/discussion.cgi.39.html) or trying to shut down Universities (http://www.davidduke.com/?p=468) that expose Jewish racism.

Protocol 11
For what, indeed, if not in order to obtain in a roundabout way what is for our scattered tribe unattainable by the direct road? It Is this which has served as the basis for our organisation of secret masonry which is not known to, and aims which are not even so much as suspected by, these GOY cattle, attracted by us into the "show" army of Masonic lodges in order to throw dust in the eyes of their fellows.
I guess earlier they were talking about the masons. Freemasons involved in a plot to destroy us? So what if their symbolism is on the back of the American money. Just ignore it. It doesn't mean anything. Hey look. Wrestling is on. Time to get another Budwiser.

Drew_J
12-09-2005, 02:14 PM
Protocol 12
Freedom is the right to do that which the law allows. This interpretation of the word will at the proper time be of service to us because all freedom will thus be in our hands, since the laws will abolish or create only that which is desirable for us according to the aforesaid programme.

We shall deal with the press in the following way: What is the part played by the press to-day? It serves to excite and inflame those passions which are needed for our purpose or else it serves selfish ends of parties. It is often vapid, unjust, mendacious, and the majority of the public have not the slightest idea what ends the press really serves. We shall saddle and bridle it with a tight curb: we shall do the same also with all productions of the printing press, for where would be the sense of getting rid of the attacks of the press if we remain targets for pamphlets and books? The produce of publicity, which nowadays is a source of heavy expense owing to the necessity of censoring it, will be turned by us into a very lucrative source of income to our State: we shall lay on it a special stamp tax and require deposits of caution-money before permitting the establishment of any organ of the press or of printing offices; these will then have to guarantee our government against any kind of attack on the part of the press. For any attempt to attack us, if such still be possible, we shall inflict fines without mercy.
Like when Howard Stern was fined by the FCC for saying Bush may know more than he lets on about 9-11? And they also want to control the media? No way. It's nuts. Ignore my last post. Yeah, it's all impossible. Pay no attention to that Zionist over there acquiring a big part of Al Jezerra. (http://english.pravda.ru/world/20/91/366/14319_deal.html) But of course this is just reinforcing the nasty "stereotype" about Jews and money. And I don't wanna go there again since stating a fact of reality makes me a bigot. [;)]

Protocol 12
Literature and journalism are two of the most important educative forces, and therefore our government will become proprietor of the majority of the journals. This will neutralise the injurious influence of the privately owned press and will put us in possession of a tremendous influence upon the public mind... If we give permits for ten journals, we shall ourselves found thirty, and so on in the same proportion. This, however, must in nowise be suspected by the public. For which reason all journals published by us will be of the most opposite, in appearance, tendencies and opinions, thereby creating confidence in us and bringing over to us our quite unsuspicious opponents, who will thus fall into our trap and be rendered harmless.

In the front rank will stand organs of an official character. They will always stand guard over our interests, and therefore their influence will be comparatively insignificant.
You mean like Pentagon lies about not knowing planes could be hijacked despite confirmed CIA drills months before 9-11 and even on the morning? You mean like the FBI confiscating tapes which caught what really happened at the Pentagon? You mean like the 9-11 Commission lying about there being any black boxes found? Nah. Never gonna happen. Hey look. Wrestling is on again.

Protocol 12
All our newspapers will be of all possible complexions - aristocratic, republican, revolutionary, even anarchical - for so long, of course, as the constitution exists.... Like the Indian idol Vishnu they will have a hundred hands and every one of them will have a finger on any one of the public opinions as required. When a pulse quickens these hands will lead opinion in the direction of our aims, for an excited patient loses all power of judgment and easily yields to suggestion. Those fools who will think they are repeating the opinion of a newspaper of their own camp will be repeating our opinion or any opinion that seems desirable for us. In the vain belief that they are following the organ of their party they will in fact follow the flag which we hang out for them.

Jews/Zionists and the media...been there.

Protocol 12
THESE ATTACKS UPON US WILL ALSO SERVE ANOTHER PURPOSE, NAMELY, THAT OUR SUBJECTS WILL BE CONVINCED OF THE EXISTENCE OF FULL FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND SO GIVE OUR AGENTS AN OCCASION TO AFFIRM THAT ALL ORGANS WHICH OPPOSE US ARE EMPTY BABBLERS, since they are incapable of finding any substantial objections to our orders.
Freedom of the press will be an illusion? No way. Never gonna happen.

Protocol 13
Who will ever suspect then that all these people were stage managed by us according to a political plan which no one has so much guessed at in the course of many centuries?
Teacher I know. Pick me.

Protocol 14
The whole force of our principles and methods will lie in the fact that we shall present them and expound them as a splendid contrast to the dead and decomposed old order of things in social life.
Death to the old order so you can bring in a new one world order? Nah never gonna happen. Ignore the back of your one dollar bill Americans.

Protocol 14
IN COUNTRIES KNOWN AS PROGRESSIVE AND ENLIGHTENED WE HAVE CREATED A SENSELESS, FILTHY, ABOMINABLE LITERATURE. For some time after our entrance to power we shall continue to encourage its existence in order to provide a telling relief by contrast to the speeches, party programme, which will be distributed from exalted quarters of ours.... Our wise men, trained to become leaders of the goyim, will compose speeches, projects, memoirs, articles, which will be used by us to influence the minds of the goyim, directing them towards such understanding and forms of knowledge as have been determined by us.
Are they saying they made porn? If so, then there's one thing these fictional Zionists are good for.

Protocol 15
With this purpose we shall slay without mercy all who take arms (in hand) to oppose our coming into our kingdom. Every kind of new institution of anything like a secret society will also be punished with death; those of them which are now in existence are known to us, serve us and have served us, we shall disband and send into exile to continents far removed from Europe. In this way we shall proceed with the goy masons who know too much; such of these as we may for some reason spare will be kept in constant fear of exile. We shall promulgate a law making all former members of secret societies liable to exile from Europe as the centre of our rule.
Stabbing masons in the back...I guess it serves them right for all the satanic crap and the child sex. But please don't take away my porn.

Protocol 15
WE EXECUTE MASONS IN SUCH WISE THAT NONE SAVE THE BROTHERHOOD CAN EVER HAVE A SUSPICION OF IT, NOT EVEN THE VICTIMS THEMSELVES OF OUR DEATH SENTENCE, THEY ALL DIE WHEN REQUIRED AS IF FROM A NORMAL KIND OF ILLNESS... Knowing this, even the brotherhood in its turn dare not protest. By such methods we have plucked out of the midst of MASONRY the very root of protest against our disposition. While preaching liberalism to the goyim we at the same time keep our own people and our agents in a state of unquestioning submission.
Let's kill the masons if they ever suspect anything too great...wow. What cold blood these fictional zionists have.

Protocol 15
Our government will have the appearance of a patriarchal paternal guardianhip on the part of our ruler. Our own nation and our own subjects will discern in his person a father caring for their every need, their every act, their every inter-relation as subjects one with another, as well as their relations to the ruler. They will then be so thoroughly imbued with the thought that it is impossible for them to dispense with this wardship and guidance, if they wish to live in peace and quiet, that they will acknowledge the autocracy of our ruler with a devotion bordering on apotheosis, especially when they are convinced that those whom we set up do not put their own in place of his authority, but only blindly execute his dictates. They will be rejoiced that we have regulated everything in their lives as is done by wise parents who desire to train their children in the cause of duty and submission. For the peoples of the world in regard to the secrets of our polity are ever through the ages only children under age, precisely as are their governments.
A state that will seduce you by claiming to take care of you...nah never gonna happen. Those people in the FBI and Homeland Security demanding you give up your rights to they can protect you from the big bad arabs? Nah, never gonna happen. This is too close to reality. Stop scaring me you fictional zionists. [;)]

Protocl 16
The occasional genius has always managed and always will manage to slip through into other states of life, but it is the most perfect folly for the sake of this rare occasional genius to let through into ranks foreign to them the untalented who thus rob of their places who belong to those ranks by birth of employment.
You mean like how Arnold Schwarzenegger, a puppet of the Rothschilds was supposed to slip into the Presidency even though he's foreign born? (http://www.georgecarlin.com/snitz05/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2203) Nah. That's not part of his campaign. It's bullshit. Hey look, wrestling is on again.

Protocol 18
When it becomes necessary for us to strengthen the strict measures of secret defence (the most fatal poison for the prestige of authority) we shall arrange a simulation of disorders or some manifestation of discontents finding expression through the co-operation of good speakers. Round these speakers will assemble all who are sympathetic to his utterances. This will give us the pretext for domiciliary perquisitions and surveillance on the part of our servants from among the number of the GOYIM POLICE...

Patriot Acts 1 and 2...Homeland Security...FEMA...Internet Control, Warrantless taps and arrests...I'm gonna shit my pants.

Protocol 18
As the majority of the conspirators act out of love for the game, for the sake of talking, so, until they commit some overt act we shall not lay a finger on them but only introduce into their midst observation elements
So as long as we don't challenge them, they won't get upset. Wait a second. What was that in the Patriot Act about wanting to kill you? (http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/patriotact_deathpenalty.htm) Oh nevermind. It's nothing. Turn the wrestling back on again. That cage match looks awesome.

Protocol 18
Criminals with us will be arrested at the first more or less well- grounded suspicion; it cannot be allowed that out of fear of a possible mistake an opportunity should be given of escape to persons suspected of a political lapse or crime, for in these matters we shall be literally merciless.
Lifetime jail without a trial. (http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/us_preps_lifetime_jail_terror_suspects.htm) cough cough cough.

Protocol 19
Sedition-mongering is nothing more than the yapping of a lap-dog at an elephant. For a government well organised, not from the police but from the public point of view, the lap-dog yaps at the elephant in entire unconsciousness of its strength and importance. It needs no more than to take a good example to show the relative importance of both and the lap-dogs will cease to yap and will wag their tails the moment they set eyes on an elephant.

In order to destroy the prestige of heroism for political crime we shall send it for trial in the category of thieving, murder, and every kind of abominable and filthy crime. Public opinion will then confuse in its conception this category of crime with the disgrace attaching to every other and will brand it with the same contempt.
Protestors will get death. (http://infowars.com/print/ps/partiort2_puzzle.htm)

Protocol 19
YOU ARE AWARE THAT THE GOLD STANDARD HAS BEEN THE RUIN OF THE STATES WHICH ADOPTED IT, FOR IT HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SATIFSY THE DEMANDS FOR MONEY, THE MORE SO THAT WE HAVE REMOVED GOLD FROM CIRCULATION AS FAR AS POSSIBLE
FDR was a mason who made allusions to world government.

Protocol 21
But when the comedy is played out there emerges the fact that a debit and an exceedingly burdensome debit has been created. For the payment of interest it becomes necessary to have recourse to new loans, which do not swallow up but only add to the capital debt. And when this credit is exhausted it becomes necessary by new taxes to cover, not the loan, but only the interest on it. These taxes are a debit employed to cover a debit...

Later comes the time for conversions, but they diminish the payment of interest without covering the debt, and besides they cannot be made without the consent of the lenders; on announcing a conversion a proposal is made to return the money to those who are not willing to con- vert their paper. If everybody expressed his unwillingness and demanded his money back, the government would be hooked on their own flies and would be found insolvent and unable to pay the proposed sums. By good luck the subjects of the goy governments, knowing nothing about financial affairs, have always preferred losses on exchange and diminution of interest to the risk of new investments of their moneys, and have thereby many a time enabled these governments to throw off their shoulders a debit of several millions.
Countries in debt and currency with decreasing value? Nah, that'll never happen.

Protocol 24
According to the testament of Montefiore, Zion is not sparing, either of money or of any other means, to achieve its ends. In our day, all the governments of the entire world are consciously or unconsciously submissive to the commands of this great Supergovernment of Zion, because all the bonds and securities are in its hands; for all countries are indebted to the Jews for sums which they will never be able to pay. All affairs - industry, commerce, and diplomacy - are in the hands of Zion. It is by means of its capital loans that it has enslaved all nations. By keeping education on purely materialistic lines, the Jews have loaded the Gentiles with heavy chains with which they have harnessed them to their "Supergovernment".

The end of national liberty is near, therefore personal freedom is approaching its close; for true liberty cannot exist where Zion uses the lever of its gold to rule the masses and dominate the most respectable and enlightened class of society.
They indeed control money and industry. The Rothschilds and the Warburgs, both Jews, set up the FED. The ownwership of the Federal Reserve is mainly Jewish. Chase Manhattan bank is headed by David Rockefeller (the Rockefellers are in fact Jewish).Funny how this was written decades ago but you'd think someone could have concocted it after 9-11 and the news leaks of Israeli spying and foreknowledge for example.

The Protocols. (http://www.iahushua.com/BeWise/protocol.html)

And another thing pal, I have stated the Protocols have their origin with Rothschild, not at the Zionist Congress in Bazle. Although, there was Rothschild presence at the Congress. You'll also do well to note that it was Rothschild money and frontmen that toppled the Czar.

Des Griffin
Undaunted by their initial failures to destroy the United States, the international bankers pursued their objective with relentless zeal. Between the end of the Civil War and 1914, their main agents in the United States were Kuhn, Loeb and Co. and the J. P. Morgan Co. (1 (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm))

Johnny Silver Bear
By the end of the 19th. Century, the Rothschilds had controlling influence in England, U.S., France, Germany, Austria and Italy. Only Russia was left outside the financial sphere of world domination. England, through the Bank of England, ruled most of the world. Jacob Schiff, president of Khun Loeb Bank in New York was appointed by B'nai B'rith (A secret Jewish Masonic Order meaning "Bothers of the Convenent") to be the Revolutionary Leader of the Revolution in Russia. A cartel, made up of the Carnegies, Morgans , Rockefellers, and Chases would contribute to the manifestation of communism. On January 13, 1917, Leon Trotsky arrived in the United States and received a U.S. Passport. He was frequently seen entering the palatial residence of Jacob Schiff. (2 (http://www.red-ice.net/specialreports/2005/08aug/redshield.html))

David Duke
The Russian May Laws were the most conspicuous legislative monument achieved by modern Anti-Semitism...Their immediate result was a runious commercial depression which was felt all over the empire and which profoundly affected the national credit. The Russian minister was at his wits end for money. Negociations for a large loan were entered upon with the house of Rothschild and a preliminary contract was signed, when...the finance minister was informed that unless the persecutions of the Jews were stopped the great banking house would be compelled with withdraw from the operation.(67)

In response to the economic and other pressures put upon Russia, the Czar issued an edict on September 3 1882. In it he stated:

With few exceptions, they have as a body devoted their attention, not to enriching or benefiting the country, but to defrauding by their wiles its inhabitants, and particularly its poor inhabitants. This conduct of theirs has called forth protests on the part of the people.(68)

There was thus ample reason to attempt to overturn the Czarist government of Russia, and there is direct evidence they did just that. The Jewish Communal Register of New York City of 1917-1918, edited and published by the Jewish community, profiles jacob Schiff, who at that time was one of the wealthiest men in the world as head of the huge banking house of Kuhn, Loeb & Company. in the article it states how the firm of Kuhn, Loeb & Company "floated large Japanese War loans of 1904-1905, thus making possible the Japanese victory over Russia." It also goes on to say,

Mr. Schiff has always used his wealth and his influence in the best interests of his people. He financed the enemies of autocratic Russia and used his fanancial influence to keep Russia away from the money market of the United States.(69)

Jacob Schiff actually gave somewhere between $17 million and $24 million to finance the Jewish-Communist revolutionaries in Russia, a sum that would be the equivalent of many hudreds of millions of dollars by today's dollar value. Rabbi Marvin S. Andelman, in his book To Eliminate the Opiate, cites two scources documenting Schiff's financial support of the Communist revolution and ultimate repayment by them.

Jacob Schiff is credited with giving twenty million dollars to the Bolshevik revolution. A year after his death the Bolsheviks deposited over six hundred million rubles to Schiff's banking firm Kuhn & Loeb.(70. 71)
...

In 1975, I read a book called Trotsky and the Jews, written by Joseph Nevada and published by the Jewish Publication Society (Philadelphia, 1971). The book points out that before the Russian Revolution, Leon Trotsky used to play chess with Baron Rothschild of the famous Rothschild banking family.

A Jewish journalist (M. Waldman) who knew Trotsky from the period of his stay in Vienna ("when he used to play chess with Baron Rothschild in Cafe Central and frequent Cafe Daily to read the press there")(72)

67. Encyclopedia Britannica. (1947). Vol 2. p.76.
68. Latimer, E.W. (1895). Rusia and Turkey in the 19th Century. A.C. McLury & Co. p.332
69. Jewish Communal Register of New York City (1918). p.1018-1019
70.New York Journal American (1949). February 3.
71. Andelman, M.S. (1974). To Eliminate the Opiate. New York-Tel Aviv: Zahavia. Ltd. 26
72. Nevada, J. (1971). Trotsky and the Jews. Philadelphia. Jewish Publication Society.


Spare me your hollow apologetics and try looking at history.

Drew_J
12-09-2005, 03:44 PM
About Protocol 19 and FDR. He moved America off the Gold Standard. I forgot to say that. True, gold was stolen from Americans and is now in the hands of the Illuminati, but at least the money was once backed by something. Now the FED notes are backed by dick all.

nomad
12-09-2005, 04:44 PM
Drew_J wrote:
About Protocol 19 and FDR. He moved America off the Gold Standard. I forgot to say that. True, gold was stolen from Americans and is now in the hands of the Illuminati, but at least the money was once backed by something. Now the FED notes are backed by dick all.


beautiful post and complete silence from bondi

nomad
12-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Bondi wrote:
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion "Sion" is a fake, fraud, it is not an authentic document. It was created pretext and rationale for anti-Semitism and for anti-Semitic and anti-Masonic propaganda in the first half of the 20th century.

Read This (http://www.masonicinfo.com/protocols.htm) before you discard it as a masonic source, check out the facts stated. They are all true.

Or even try the ever useful Wikipaedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priory_of_Sion)

Do you guys check out anything before you post it up?


please do your homework and think for yourself

next time !

truebeliever
12-09-2005, 05:16 PM
Yes, but WHAT a fraud!

Every single thing in their appears like clock work before us. I guess you can get lucky?

As for people being mad to lay out their "manifesto" on paper indicating their plans for world domination...hmmmm...i can guess a couple of other people who've done that. ;-)

The Protocols are DEFINATELY the combination of three previous works. But then what would we expect from those who aspire to Elite Judaism and theive everything else off the Goyim?

Thumper
12-09-2005, 05:27 PM
truebeliever wrote:
Yes, but WHAT a fraud!

Every single thing in their appears like clock work before us. I guess you can get lucky?

As for people being mad to lay out their "manifesto" on paper indicating their plans for world domination...hmmmm...i can guess a couple of other people who've done that. ;-)

The Protocols are DEFINATELY the combination of three previous works. But then what would we expect from those who aspire to Elite Judaism and theive everything else off the Goyim?what previous documents?

Drew_J
12-09-2005, 06:45 PM
nomad wrote:

Drew_J wrote:
About Protocol 19 and FDR. He moved America off the Gold Standard. I forgot to say that. True, gold was stolen from Americans and is now in the hands of the Illuminati, but at least the money was once backed by something. Now the FED notes are backed by dick all.


beautiful post and complete silence from bondi
Thanks Nomad. I'm sure he'll respond with something. Just give him time.

truebeliever
12-09-2005, 09:52 PM
What previous documents?

http://emperors-clothes.com/antisem/protocols-1.htm

I think arguing over their "validity" is a false argument. Simply read them and laugh as it unfolds before you.

Besides, "Da Jooooze" are not above simple stealing of ideas. Does anyone think that a single thing that I have written on this forum is a COMPLETELY original idea?

If in the future someone wanted to say that "I" did not write stuff on "Peak Oil" and it was a "forgery" because if you go to Dave McGowans website you will find similar lines and references...that would be a bit silly would it not? Would we doubt Marx and Co writing the Communist Manifesto laying out the groundwork for world domination of the Proletariet if we could show he "stole" large tracts of ideas and lines from other works? What of Hitlers "Mein Kampf"? Look at the large tracts taken from other works...will we say this "manifesto" is a fake?

Let the "Protocols" speak for themselves.

I care personally not one wit on the EXACT origens, as the notion that they inspire are PURE Masonic/Occult principals of social manipulation.

Whoever wrote them did a great service to humanity. It stands perfectly with history that people in the grip of a demonic ideology will happily put it to paper...as if God allows it...and has a sense of humour.

ignt
12-09-2005, 10:00 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/Helal17.jpg

Thumper
12-09-2005, 10:07 PM
It's funny how the plans for world domination are passed around like a hot potato, blaming everyone but Satan himself.

First we have the protocols, than we have the communist manifesto, the Wabbahists, and now we have the laughably obscene New American Century.

Taking over the world is nothing new. Perhaps figuring out who is behind it all is the only thing worth our efforts.

Bondi
12-13-2005, 04:49 AM
nomad wrote:

please do your homework and think for yourself

next time !

Bit rich, seeing as ever claim here is a copy post from elsewhere, there isn't a single original claim made that hasn't been made many times before. People even copy paste it as their own thoughts rather than linking to the article, like you're supposed to.

If it's already done, why do it yourself, link it.

And seeing as if I write long posts, counter acting ever point made in yours I get banned for aggrevating the board.

What ever you write it doesn't take away the fact that the Protocols of Zion are fiction! It doesn't matter how much you can find relations in every day life, the protocols are still FICTION.

You can find many people and organisations that adopt similar traits, but the Protocols of Zion are still a product of fiction, imaginary, a hoax, a fraud.

Bondi
12-13-2005, 04:53 AM
nomad wrote:
beautiful post and complete silence from bondi

Not exactly beautiful, opinion, personal insight maybe, but nothing worth repsonding to. There is no actual fact as to the accuracy of the Protocols of Zion being a legitimate piece of history, which merely coincides with my statement and therefore a need to respond is not really necessary.

I'm glad the poster could drag themselves away from wrestling long enought to post it, another true life experience.

nomad
12-13-2005, 06:05 AM
Bondi wrote:

nomad wrote:
beautiful post and complete silence from bondi

Not exactly beautiful, opinion, personal insight maybe, but nothing worth repsonding to. There is no actual fact as to the accuracy of the Protocols of Zion being a legitimate piece of history, which merely coincides with my statement and therefore a need to respond is not really necessary.

I'm glad the poster could drag themselves away from wrestling long enought to post it, another true life experience.


Bondi why not try to disprove the Protocols

one by one instead and we can then judge whether

or not it is fiction or not for ourselves ?

Bondi
12-14-2005, 05:00 AM
That throery is the same as reading your horoscope the day after and applying things that have happened to whats written.

I have no interest in the application of todays activities with the possible meanings of the fictional Protocols, or whether what the fictional protocols imply are actually in existance today.

My post was regarding the legitimacy of the Protocols as an actual document and the way in which they are implied to be legitimately the protocols of zion, which they are not.

You should know my posting style by now, I merely point out the errors statements so, if you bothered to rather than trying to slam me all the time, you could fine tune your arguments and remove the elements that make it easy to rebuttle your claims. Alas most are only interested in arguing, and not actually finding anything out.

Drew_J
12-14-2005, 11:24 AM
Bondi wrote:
I have no interest in the application of todays activities with the possible meanings of the fictional Protocols, or whether what the fictional protocols imply are actually in existance today.
In other words, you have no desire actually test the claim that they are forgeries. Therefore, why are you here?

Let's see what was going to come under control of the Zionists: The media? Check. Money? Check. Political parties? Check.

Pretty good for a forgery.

Drew_J
12-14-2005, 11:27 AM
Bondi wrote:
Alas most are only interested in arguing, and not actually finding anything out.
Pot meet kettle. Oh excuse me. That actually implies that I'm something that you are - which I am not.

nomad
12-14-2005, 06:31 PM
Bondi wrote:
That throery is the same as reading your horoscope the day after and applying things that have happened to whats written.

I have no interest in the application of todays activities with the possible meanings of the fictional Protocols, or whether what the fictional protocols imply are actually in existance today.

My post was regarding the legitimacy of the Protocols as an actual document and the way in which they are implied to be legitimately the protocols of zion, which they are not.

You should know my posting style by now, I merely point out the errors statements so, if you bothered to rather than trying to slam me all the time, you could fine tune your arguments and remove the elements that make it easy to rebuttle your claims. Alas most are only interested in arguing, and not actually finding anything out.


Bondi you have no interest in seeking the truth

so please and politely stick your head

in where your brain is located.

You were asked to prove your point with the

actual words of the Protocols and you declined.

I don't even think you ever read this document.
:-D

Drew_J
12-14-2005, 11:48 PM
Although he has read large sections of it - the ones I quoted. He did catch on to the parts where I talk about wrestling, signifying one of the many distractions in our lives.

I still can't fucking get over how protocol sixteen talks about the foreign born slipping into political positions of power. Arnold the terminator, a front man of Jacob Rothschild - who comes from the same line that authored the protocols no less - was supposed to do just that. :-o

nomad
12-15-2005, 04:16 AM
Drew_J wrote:
Although he has read large sections of it - the ones I quoted. He did catch on to the parts where I talk about wrestling, signifying one of the many distractions in our lives.

I still can't fucking get over how protocol sixteen talks about the foreign born slipping into political positions of power. Arnold the terminator, a front man of Jacob Rothschild - who comes from the same line that authored the protocols no less - was supposed to do just that. :-o


Drew_J, Like it has been said before whoever wrote

the Protocols was a genius with an incredible

understanding of history and economics amongst

other things. Prophetic is the only way to describe

it.

Bondi
12-15-2005, 06:05 AM
nomad wrote:
Bondi you have no interest in seeking the truth

Of this you are truly mistaken, I merely have no wish to waste time on issues that have already been done to death. As previoulsy mentioned I only stated that the Protocols were not a real document, which is fact. You can't get much more truth than that.

If the original post was made in the context that present day "groups" have incorporated the direction of the fictional Protocols of Zion it would of been quite accurate and I wouldn't of disagreed with the post.

In fact I can quite plainly see what the poster is getting at, and I was merely correct a part of it, as to the authenticity of the document at the centre of the topic.



nomad wrote:
so please and politely stick your head

in where your brain is located.

I would ask you kindly engage yours.


nomad wrote:
You were asked to prove your point with the

actual words of the Protocols and you declined.

I was asked to prove that individuals/groups were not acting in concordance or inline with the Protocols, a point I never made.


nomad wrote:
I don't even think you ever read this document.
:-D

My source of information regarding the Protocols would be Herman Bernstein, he writes books, it's not something I read online.

Highly recommend it actually, it reproduces the complete text of the book of Joly, the text of the news articles that appeared in the Times Newspaper, the complete text of the Protocols, and other authentic documents (that would be paper items, not screen produced sites with flickering images)

The main problem with the Protocols of Zion, which are meant to be the production of the "Elders of Zion" also known as the "Wise of Zion" is that the group never existed, there is no shred of evidence of such a group.

The Protocols that were "discovered" were the minutes of a meeting of this group, that is the original claim and the only true claim to the document and it's reason for existance. Anything else has been added through time.

Now even at the time of the supposed "meeting" minutes were already much the same as they are today, attendees, apologies for absence, agenda, brief notes on discussion and resolution etc etc and at least a secretaries signature, although at the time if was customary for all attendees to sign as verification that all detailed was correct.

Now simple argument would be if they were secret they would name, sign etc, but in the same principle they would be more secretive of their agenda than anything else.

The Protocols themselves are a hash of previously created items, depicting the Jewish conspiracy for world domination, such as Biarritz and Le Juif, le judaïsme et la judaïsation des peuples chrétiens (french in origin, although I think you can get a tranlsated version to read online somewhere).

The Protocols were first utilised in Russia to help increase hate towards the jewish population and lessen the political influence of Witte (Count)

The document wasn't even known as the Protocols until it was translated in France and was given the title.

Would be worth looking up Father Werchobsky regarding the Protocols, I believe he was the first one state out loud they were fake.

If you feel my knowledge is not worthy comment then fair enough, but I would be interested to see where your info on the Protocols comes from?

Drew_J
12-15-2005, 12:50 PM
Time for you to either wake up or go back over this thread. It has been said that this was not authored by the Zionists and Jews at Basle in 1897 like some White Naionalists claim. What I and others have said is the plan outlined in the protocols had it's birth with the Rothschilds and/or the Priory of Sion. We are saying that it was written in a way to inflame anti-semites to get us distracted from seeing the plan outlined in this document unfold over time.

You have shown yourself to be incapable of many things:

1. Remembering the stipulation of other posters including myself that the conspiracy is Luciferian/Satanic but not Jewish.
2. Realizing that the protocols were written in a certain way to frame Jews and shield the Luciferians.
3. Realizing the Luciferian protocols are in fact coming true and have been fulfilled by Zionist activity over the last one hundred years. I still can't get over protocols 16 and how it relates to Arnold the terminator.
http://www.the7thfire.com/images/bigwigs.jpg
(Jacob Rothschild on the right)
Arnold and Rothschild Rendevous (http://www.infowars.com/print/nwo/schwartz_roths.htm)

Given that the protocols have their origin in the Rothschilds, given that the Rothschild funded Bolsheviks murdered the Czar who was resisting a central bank (that would be a Rothschild one), and given that the Czarists were blamed for writing the Luciferian protocols, it only makes sense that the Rothschild money and media machine would blame the Czarists for the document that they wrote.
I came across something the other day that you really should look into. It's an extensive timeline of the Rothschilds and their activity regarding economics and politics.

The Rothschild Timeline (http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm)

Drew_J
12-15-2005, 11:29 PM
There is a new documentary about the protocols out right now. The filmmaker according to the website for this documentary, was concerned about how the protocols can still be popular. Obviously it's not going to be very objective. But if you're interested, take a look.

http://www.protocolsofzionmovie.com

Thumper
12-15-2005, 11:33 PM
hey drew you should post up that open hearing about the blown up levees on iidb.org :-)

Drew_J
12-16-2005, 01:04 AM
Here is my latest posting on that site of ridiculous loonie lefties who as you said like to masturbate about their intellects instead of facing up to the political reality. Maybe you'll see why I'm at least hesitant.

Enjoy Your Martial Law Americans (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?p=2978558)

Besides, I already made a topic way back when about FEMA obstructing relief efforts and beiefly touched on all those executive orders from the eighties that will put FEMA in control of the country when the time comes to put citizens into those hidden camps across America. They masturbated then and they would masturbate again were I to do what you suggested.

This must be what you're talking about.
Congressional hearing poses question of levee bombs (http://www.infowars.net/articles/december2005/131205Levees.htm)

Bondi
12-16-2005, 04:27 AM
Drew_J wrote:
Time for you to either wake up or go back over this thread.

I think maybe a time-out is in order here, as there seems to be some crossed wires and presumptions being made.

The original post by barbara was a very good one, including the phrase "While The Protocols have been thoroughly discredited the document is still being used to stir up anti-Semitic hatred especially throughout the Arab world." which keeps the Protocols exactly where they should be as a document, fictional. However amply implies and show the use of the protocols by people preceding their creation. It also depicts the reason for the hoax document. No problems.


I liked the thread which is why I popped back to see how it was going.

I only slung in my post because, IMO, the Protocols were beginning to be portrayed as something "real" and not made up.

Maybe be the way I read it, granted, but my post didn't contradict anything of the original and merely highlighted the FACT the protocols were a hoax document.



Drew_J wrote:
What I and others have said is the plan outlined in the protocols had it's birth with the Rothschilds and/or the Priory of Sion. We are saying that it was written in a way to inflame anti-semites to get us distracted from seeing the plan outlined in this document unfold over time.

When did the Rothschilds become a "power" family?


Drew_J wrote:
You have shown yourself to be incapable of many things:

1. Remembering the stipulation of other posters including myself that the conspiracy is Luciferian/Satanic but not Jewish.
2. Realizing that the protocols were written in a certain way to frame Jews and shield the Luciferians.
3. Realizing the Luciferian protocols are in fact coming true and have been fulfilled by Zionist activity over the last one hundred years. I still can't get over protocols 16 and how it relates to Arnold the terminator.

1) I have stated the document was a hoax, and used in Russia to fuel Jewish hatred. Don't recall saying it was a Jewish conpsiracy, or who's conspiracy it was.

2) Does not saying they were used to fuel hatred towards Jewish population not equate to "Frame Jews"?

3) Like I said before, applying details in hindsight is easily done. For the most famous of Nostradamus prediction you can apply a couple of world events that meet the criteria, doesn't mean they are the ones seen. Alot of it, if you think about it, are eventualities. There is a first for everything, when man first started looking to the stars many foretold that man would reach space, visit other planets.

It's progression, looking at todays world you could write 10 things you think will happen, man on mars, Ireland becoming one country, Europe becoming one nation under one rule, England winning a cricket match blah blah. All plausible and some more likely than others, England winning a cricket match is alittle far fetched maybe LOL, but that doesn't mean there is a plan to help these things happen.


Drew_J wrote:
Given that the protocols have their origin in the Rothschilds,

How have you come to this conclusion? Curiousity, that's all.

nomad
12-16-2005, 04:30 AM
Drew_J wrote:
There is a new documentary about the protocols out right now. The filmmaker according to the website for this documentary, was concerned about how the protocols can still be popular. Obviously it's not going to be very objective. But if you're interested, take a look.

http://www.protocolsofzionmovie.com


Hidden in plain view ... I haven't seen the movie

but I'll bet they won't cover any protocol

in detail.

Book
12-16-2005, 12:07 PM
Drew_J's posts speak a Truth that my own perceptions confirm. There IS a worldwide conspiracy by some elite group of Jews. They have the technological ability to now trace Drew_J's comments here back through his IP address and quietly [cough] make him silent.

I arrived at this website by clicking on a link button at Henry Makow's website. Henry there describes how his 91-year-old Jewish father disowned him. Henry states that not all Jews are behind this-only a very exclusive elite group going back centuries. Henry then makes the point of disavowing any fealty to those elite Jews. No longer a practicing Jew but now just one of us innocent sheeple victims. I exchanged an e-mail with Henry yesterday and he does indeed seem like a good fellow.

But if we take this conspiracy seriously-and I do-then we know that the unique quality that makes it even possible is their capacity for deviousness. A deviousness so unthinkable that decent people discount it out of hand. Nobody could be THAT immoral...evil.

So, if they really were that evil then they would have "programmed" Henry when he was in Israel to infiltrate groups such as this by first publically disavowing his Jewishness. By maybe even becoming a Leader in the resistence movement. Meanwhile their secret police is taking down IP and e-mail addresses here. Quietly culling the herd that Henry attracts. One by one ever so discretely so that this Forum never seems to ever grow past a certain small population. Odd that we must "register" here and that no anonymous posts are possible.

After all these years since Henry Ford distributed 500K free copies of the Protocols in America no resistance organization has ever been allowed. I wonder how they do it too during the commercial breaks while watching the wrestling on television.

[they are so devious that an innocent Henry can not now disprove it]

Drew_J has written very convincing arguements here and demonstrates a very rare sanity.

Drew_J
12-16-2005, 12:41 PM
Okay Bondi here's how I concluded the Rothschilds were involved in the protocols...

William Guy Carr who made this statement served in the canadian armed forces for the two world wars. He had excellent intelligence contacts who knew how the world really ran.
Henry Makow "Lester Pearson, Illuminati Tool "
Canadian Navy Commander Guy Carr mixed with this clique of top civil servants in Ottawa in the 1930's and 1940's. They recognized each other by Masonic signals and indulged in "progressive" pursuits like wife-swapping. One told him: "Stop trying to save the human race. The vast majority aren't worth the time or trouble. Most will be better off under a totalitarian dictatorship; they will get what the government decides is good for them." (Satan: Prince of this World, p. 101. See also his Pawns in their Game and Red Fog Over America)


Henry Makow also made the same conclusion himself when he wrote his essay, "Did Rothschild Write the Protocols?" He made a point that I had once overlooked. "Researchers have speculated that Adam Weishaupt or Asher Ginzberg penned Protocols.At first I thought it was Rothschild himself. But because someone pointed out that the book refers to Nietzche and Darwin, it is more likely that Rothschild's grandson, Lionel Nathan Rothschild (1809-1879) or someone like him, is the author. Lionel is the infamous Jewish banker "Sidonia" of Benjamin D'Israeli's novel Coningsby(1844).

I came to this conclusion after reading Protocols 20-23, the "financial programme... the crowning and the decisive point of our plans." These lectures require a detailed knowledge of finance and profound psychological insight. Moreover the author states that all power ultimately will reside in the "King of the Jews," which is how the Rothschilds were known."
You are aware are you not that the Rothschilds were the most powerful banking house TO EVER EXIST? Heinrich Heine said, "Money is the God of our time, and Rothschild is his prophet."

And given how the Rothschilds were the funding forces behind Zionism and given how Zionists have been fulfilling the protocols through their political activity over the last one hundred years, it makes sense that the Rothschilds are behind it. If you read the protocols as I have, but DON'T notice how they are being fulfilled you are simply closing your eyes to reality. Do that if you want, but don't include me in your self induced insanity. Now as for your question, When did the Rothschilds become a "power" family?
They have always been powerful. You'd know that if you'd look into them. That timeline I gave out is a good start.
Abraham Lincoln was part Rothschild (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pandora.htm)
Hitler Was a Rothschild (http://www.reformation.org/adolf-hitler.html)
The Satanic Rothschild Dynasty (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_rothschild_bloodline.htm)
Rothschilds Conduct Red Symphony (http://www.savethemales.ca/000275.html)
Rothschilds and Frankfurt (http://www.bium.univ-paris5.fr/sfhad/iahd/iahd02e.htm)
The Rothschild role in the Brotherhood (http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/brotherhoodpart2.shtml#rothchild)
The House of Rothschild: Final Warning to the World (http://www.the7thfire.com/new_world_order/final_warning/house_of_rothschild_final_warnin.htm)
The Rothschild Dynasty (http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavindx.htm)
Gentile Folly: The Rothschilds (http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/The_Rothschilds_Leese.htm)


Thumper, guess what someone said on infidels in response to Bush Lifting Limits on Spying on Citizens after 9-11 (http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?t=147321)?
mshah2k
I don't think an empire and a republic are mutually exclusive.
See what I hate that place?

Indred
12-16-2005, 02:20 PM
I fail to see, except for historical reasons of documenting there origin, why one should care if they were real. They are very real now. They have had historical effect on the human race no matter where they came from. Hitler used them to his own devices resulting in quite an effect for a worthless writing. Why be so concerned with their origins when their existence and use now is what effects and will effect us. Someone is using them or either, for fakes, they are a great and profound prophecy.

nomad
12-16-2005, 05:17 PM
Indred wrote:
I fail to see, except for historical reasons of documenting there origin, why one should care if they were real. They are very real now. They have had historical effect on the human race no matter where they came from. Hitler used them to his own devices resulting in quite an effect for a worthless writing. Why be so concerned with their origins when their existence and use now is what effects and will effect us. Someone is using them or either, for fakes, they are a great and profound prophecy.


Most of us will agree with this viewpoint ...

for a "forgery" it is sure as hell too close

too reality and has been more accurate than

tommorrow's news.

Indred
12-16-2005, 05:58 PM
I can not say who, for sure, uses the protocols, but I can detect their use and these are the absolute enemies of humankind. I have suspicions as to who, and they are an amalgamation of people and maybe non-people, but I can assure you that my instincts do not indicate that they would give up their agenda. This of course means that for the first time in human history, we must act with total decisiveness or loose totally.

Drew_J
12-23-2005, 10:14 PM
Can't frickin' believe I missed this one...

Protocol 20
Economic crises have been produced by us for the GOYIM by no other means than the withdrawal of money from circulation. Huge capitals have stagnated, withdrawing money from States, which were constantly obliged to apply to those same stagnant capitals for loans. These loans burdened the finances of the State with the payment of interest and made them the bond slaves of these capitals .... The concentration of industry in the hands of capitalists out of the hands of small masters has drained away all the juices of the peoples and with them also the States
Holy shit. That's exactly what the mainly jewish instigated (Rothschild, Warburg) Federal Reserve does in America. This is too close to reality. Stop scaring me you fictional zionists. :-D

Thumper
12-23-2005, 10:20 PM
im not sure if i posted in this thread yet, but like i've said before, we should be suspicious of anyone who signs their name to their manifesto of world take over.

the nazis have done it, the communists have done, the americans have done it, hell, even the wahhabists have done it, and we all know that those were being controlled from a higher power. Perhaps the Jews are just another front?

Drew_J
12-23-2005, 10:21 PM
And like I've said before these are rothschild protocols; they are luciferian. Not necessarily Judaic.

Thumper
12-23-2005, 10:52 PM
there's always a man behind the screen behind the screen behind the screen.

i don't see the point in tracing bloodlines or the like. we're simply dealing with luciferianism and we have to be able to recognize it in the ideology and not the 'spokesman'.

AISB_Watch
12-24-2005, 10:27 AM
Drew_J wrote:
I like Henry Makow, believe the protocols has their origin with the Rothschilds. William Guy Carr in his book Pawns In The Game, makes the same assertion. Some besides making note of the Rothschild-Weishaupt connection say there is a priory of sion connection. That's it's really the protocols of Sion.

[...] I mentioned William Guy Carr's book which mentions this connection and I have found an entire chapter out of William Guy Carr's book Pawns in The Game who claims, like you, the Protocols have their origin in the Rothschilds.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/pawns.htm


The Protocols may have been written by a member of the Rothschilds (we can't say for sure, in a definite historical manner) but it certainly wasn't conceived of by the Rothschild patriarch in 1773. Carr's Pawns in the Game (on pp. 26-31) says that Rothschild and a group of 12 bankers met in 1773 and the former addressed the gathering. He even sums up the talk in 24 (convenient) protocols that were outlined for the conspirators to follow. Trouble is, this didn't happen. Carr is the only source ever for this meeting, and the startling revelations. He doesn't even provide his readers with a citation as to where he obtained the earth-shatering information. His book is sparse on notes anyway, but you would think that he would provide a fellow-researcher the opportunity to verify his information by including his original source. The whole book is like that. If you don't supply a source for such unfounded statements in a work purporting to be "historical" then we have but 2 conclusions: 1) he's ashamed of the source; or 2) he made it up and hope's that his readership is of the type that doesn't care anyway - because afterall, he knows that what he's saying is what they want to hear anyway.

When pressed on the matter, he said he got the info on the meeting from the documents confiscated after Weishaupt's companion was killed in that famous lightning strike which revealed those purported Illuminati documents in 1785. Complete BS! There was no documents recovered from the dead priest. The only documents we have of the real Illuminati conspiracy occured in 1786 and 1787 when the Bavarian government raided the residences of Zwack and von Bassus. Lots and lots of revealing info there, but the story of the recovered documents from the dead priest didn't happen at all. He died alright (from a lightning strike right next to Weishaupt himself), but no documents were recovered.

Futhermore, Rothschild wasn't an all-powerful nation-breaking banker in 1773. He was a young 29-year-old trader in coins. Sorry but he didn't finance Weishaupt, invent the Illuminati, or any proto-protocol cabal of 13 bankers. Carr is lying, plain and simple. He made the whole thing up.

We know the history of the Bavarian Illuminati through historical, factual documents - in which they incriminate themselves. Adding in the equation of the "Jewish peril" and the all-powerful Rothschild cabal doesn't do anything but muddy the waters. The former is proven, while the later are just fairytales without a shred of evidence to back it up. The 19th century was Rothschild all the way, they had next to no infuence on the 18th century at all.

Don't get me wrong there are links with the Rothschild patriarch and important members of the original Illuminati (as historical documents testify too), but the Order wasn't a Rothschild enterprise (conceived in 1773) and Weishaupt wasn't appointed by anyone but himself (in 1776) - he was the sole founder and absolute dictator.

Drew_J
12-24-2005, 12:33 PM
Good post. I never did buy the story of the lightning strike though. It sounded too far out. But as it turns out it did happen minus documents being found.

The 19th century was Rothschild all the way, they had next to no infuence on the 18th century at all.
This must be why Henry Makow thinks Lionel Rothschild wrote the protocols. And you make a good point. Nathan's Waterloo scam brought in a shitload of money to the Rothschild family. Thanks for clarifying the nature of Carr's book.

The only documents we have of the real Illuminati conspiracy occured in 1786 and 1787 when the Bavarian government raided the residences of Zwack and von Bassus. Lots and lots of revealing info there, but the story of the recovered documents from the dead priest didn't happen at all...

the Order wasn't a Rothschild enterprise (conceived in 1773) and Weishaupt wasn't appointed by anyone but himself (in 1776) - he was the sole founder and absolute dictator.
Do you know of any books on this?

AISB_Watch
12-24-2005, 01:59 PM
Drew_J wrote:

Do you know of any books on this?

The best so far published in the English language is Barruel's Memoirs Illustrating the History of Jacobinism (http://rcm.amazon.com/e/cm?t=conspiracyarc-20&o=1&p=8&l=as1&asins=0964115050&fc1=000000&IS2=1&lt1=_blank&lc1=0000ff&bc1=000000&bg1=ffffff&f=ifr). Barruel translated and excerpted large sections of the Original Writings which the Bavarian Elector had published. The basic timeline goes like this:

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1786

On October 11 police search Xavier Zwack's residence in Landshut. A number of books and over two hundred letters, between Weishaupt and the Areopagites, were confiscated. The documents were published by the Bavarian government under the title Einige Originalschriften des Illuminaten Ordens. [VS, TM]

The evidence discovered at Zwack's residence was considerable: besides the secret communications between the Illuminati Adepts, the authorities found tables containing the Order's symbols and the Persian calendar; membership rosters, statutes, instructions for recruiters, ceremonies of initiation and imprints of the Order's insignia; a eulogy of atheism and a copy of a manuscript entitled Better Than Horus; a proposal for a branch of Illuminism for woman; 22 several hundred impressions of Government seals (with a list of their owners, princes, nobles, clergymen, merchants, etc.), for the purposes of counterfeiting; instructions for the making of the poison Aqua Toffana, poisonous gas and secret ink; "an infernal machine" for the safeguarding of secret papers - apparently a strong box that would blow up, destroying its contents; and receipts for procuring abortion and a formula for making a tea to induce the procedure. [VS, JR, MA: 51, NW: 228, AB: 692-93]

In the space of a few months, in 1786 - in order to save face - Weishaupt pens 9 different apologetic pamphlets, most notably: Apologie der Illuminaten, Frankfort and Leipzig, 1786, and Vollständige Geschichte der Verfolgung der Illuminaten in Bayern, Frankfort and Leipzig, 1786. [VS]
1787

As a result of further police searches of Baron Bassus' castle at Sondersdorf, the Bavarian government published more secret documents of the Order: Nachtrag von weiteren Originalschriften ... [VS]

August 16. The third and final edict against the Order is put into effect by the Duke of Bavaria. The former edicts were reemphasized "and in addition, to give maximum force to the sovereign's will, criminal process, without distinction of person, dignity, state, or quality, was ordered against any Illuminatus who should be discovered continuing the work of recruiting. Any so charged and found guilty were to be deprived of their lives by the sword; while those thus recruited were to have their goods confiscated and themselves to be condemned to perpetual banishment from the territories of the duke. Under the same penalties of confiscation and banishment, the members of the order, no matter under what name or circumstances, regular or irregular, they should gather, were forbidden to assemble as lodges." [VS]

From: Illuminati Conspiracy Part One: A Precise Exegesis on the Available Evidence (http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/Illuminati.htm)

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You can still get copies of the Original Writings published in German on the antiquarian book market. But they are still rare and will run in the high hundreds to over a thousand dollars per volume. They still exist in select libraries such as the British Museum and in certain places in Germany. Look for these titles as primary source material:

Einige Originalschriften des Illuminaten Ordens, Munich, 1787.
Nachtrag von weiteren Originalschriften, Munich, 1787
Der ächte Illuminat, oder die whren, unverbesserten Rituale der Illuminaten, Edessa (Frankfort-on-the-Main), 1788
Cosandey, Renner, and Grünberger, Drei merkwürdige Aussagen die innere Einrichtung des Illuminatenordens, Munich, 1786
Same (with Utzschneider), Grosse Absichten des Ordens der Illuminaten mit Nachtrag, I, II, III, Munich, 1786.
Der neuesten Arbeiten des Sparticus und Philo, Munich, 1793.
Illuminatus Dirigens, oder Schottischer Ritter. Ein Pendant, etc., Munich, 1794.

I had a chance to buy my own copy of Einige Originalschriften ... not too long ago but declined as it cost too much and would of cost even more for a professional translator. Anyway, I'm writing a book on the real aims of the Order (to be published in 2006) - no speculation, just the facts. I have some good primary source material I found in a dissertation by a German professor and some other stuff too, pictures and representations of real Illuminati seals. I will concentrate mostly on bios for 300+ members (with illustrations, and likenesses of most of them). This has never been done before. The membership mainly comes from another German professor who uncovered a large list of members (from 1782) in the 1970s so it is well overdue to tackle the life of each individual. While investigating these members I have uncovered many things not known before. You can get a sense of the seeds of discovery in the article I wrote, and linked to above.

Drew_J
12-24-2005, 02:13 PM
I'd like to grab that book when it comes out. Will you keep this board posted and up do date as to when you book is actually published?

AISB_Watch
12-24-2005, 02:33 PM
Drew_J wrote:
I'd like to grab that book when it comes out. Will you keep this board posted and up do date as to when you book is actually published?

Most definitely! I'll make the rounds in various places let everyone know. It is basically a reference book on every little detail known--and previously unknown till now--about the Illuminati. The membership/bio section alone is enough for a book in itself.

Drew_J
12-24-2005, 10:22 PM
Although I had reservations about Mayer Amschel writing the protocols I had thought it was at least possible. Mayer did say in his will that if his sons interbred to maintain the wealth, NOT A HOUSE IN THE WORLD WOULD COMPETE WITH THEM. Look at that. He has worldly, global thoughts and ambitions; coin collector or not. Although, I do have that infamous quote of him in my signature.

I thus thought surely someone with this mindset is at least capable of authoring something like the protocols. So at the bare minimum, I could only suspect Mayer wrote them on circumstantial evidence, or hearsay.

Clearly he understood the ramifications of the power over a nation's money. But so did his sons.

nomad
12-25-2005, 01:18 AM
Drew_J wrote:
Although I had reservations about Mayer Amschel writing the protocols I had thought it was at least possible. Mayer did say in his will that if his sons interbred to maintain the wealth, NOT A HOUSE IN THE WORLD WOULD COMPETE WITH THEM. Look at that. He has worldly, global thoughts and ambitions; coin collector or not. Although, I do have that infamous quote of him in my signature.

I thus thought surely someone with this mindset is at least capable of authoring something like the protocols. So at the bare minimum, I could only suspect Mayer wrote them on circumstantial evidence, or hearsay.

Clearly he understood the ramifications of the power over a nation's money. But so did his sons.

interesting that he would reveal his method as per

your signature ... can anyone explain why it was

revealed ?

Drew_J
12-25-2005, 11:30 AM
I've often wondered why criminals brag. The point is, they do. Perhaps as Alex Jones always says, "They love to throw it in our face." Besides, if you have power that no one can take away from you, what does it matter if you brag about it? His son Nathan bragged about controlling the British money supply.

789
02-15-2006, 11:36 AM
William Guy Carr,
Pawns in the Game


on-line

http://www.yamaguchy.netfirms.com/carr/pawns_index.html