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10-14-2005, 10:01 AM
http://www.who.int/csr/disease/avian_influenza/updates/en/index.html

Draken
10-14-2005, 04:27 PM
<a href="http://www.cqs.com/horowitz.htm">Avian Flu Fright: Politically Timed for Global "Iatrogenocide"</a>

A Public Health Warning and Political Essay by a Harvard-trained Author of Fifteen Books Including the American bestseller, Emerging Viruses: AIDS & Ebola-Nature, Accident or Intentional?

Leonard G. Horowitz, DMD, MA, MPH

Abstract

If avian flu becomes more than a threatened pandemic, it will have done so by political and economic design. This thesis is supported by current massive media misrepresentations, profiteering on risky and valueless vaccines, gross neglect of data evidencing earlier similar man-made plagues including SARS, West Nile Virus, AIDS and more; continuance of genetic studies breeding more mutant flu viruses likely to outbreak, inside trading scandals involving pandemic savvy White House and drug industry officials, curious immunity of these pharmaceutical entities over the past century to law enforcement and mainstream media scrutiny, and published official depopulation objectives. With the revelations and assertions advanced herein, the public is forewarned against this physician assisted mass murder best termed "iatrogenocide."* This genocidal imposition is expected to serve mainly economic and political depopulation objectives.

* The term "iatrogenocide" is derived from the combination of words "iatrogenesis," meaning physician induced illness, and "genocide," defined as the mass killing and/or enslaving of people for economics, politics, and/or ideology.

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Now add to this information: a small percentage of people who are treated with vaccines actually get the full-blown illness. This still happens with all the vaccines for childhood illness, even with polio vaccine. Since Avian Influenza supposedly kills more than 50% of its victims, and since there is no natural immunity in the rest of the population, this is an extremely serious matter. How would they prevent those unfortunate enough to get the full-blown illness from spreading it to the mostly-unprotected population?

After reading Dr. Horowitz's article, I remembered that there have been recent press releases about experimental vaccines that are being prepared - right now - for Avian Influenza, and federal authorities were concerned that not enough will be available if there is an outbreak or epidemic. But something doesn't make sense: other articles have stated that the Avian Flu hasn't mutated yet to be able to spread from human to human easily. So how are they creating a vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist yet? And how are they testing such a vaccine, for a virus that supposedly kills more than 50% of its victims?

The answer was even more horrifying than the question: two U.S. companies have been contracted to create and test Avian Flu vaccines on 450 voluntary human subjects in three cities: Rochester, NY, Baltimore MD, and Los Angeles, CA, using a culture of H5N1 Avian Flu isolated in China in 2004. In this article published by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), there is no mention of quarantine for the test subjects: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2005/niaid-23.htm

What does this mean? They are playing with fire. 450 people in three major cities are being "vaccinated" with an "experimental" vaccine with a supposedly "inactivated" virus that kills more than half of its victims if it is fully active, and for which there is not yet any natural immunity. If a minor error is made in the "inactivation" of the virus, many of those volunteers could contract full-blown Avian Influenza. And, statistically, even if no errors are made in vaccine creation, it is likely that at least one of them will contract the illness and may spread it to others.

Finally, even if the vaccine is "successful" and then used to vaccinate thousands or even millions of people, a small percentage of people who are vaccinated will likely become ill, and likely to spread the virus to others who are not vaccinated. In other words, this experimentation is likely to CAUSE AN EPIDEMIC.

What to do?

From the information above, it now seems likely that there WILL be an Avian Flu epidemic this winter, either carried here from the Far East or caused by vaccine experimentation. Please read and refer people to the Avian Flu protection article at http://www.cqs.com/influenza.htm. Stock up on the immune-boosting supplements suggested in the article. Tell people that it is not necessary (or even advisable) to seek the vaccine or anti-viral drugs currently being promoted by the government. Finally, if forced vaccinations and quarantines come to pass, the suggested acute illness regimen in that article can offset the toxic effects of the vaccine and likely protect against contracting illness from it.

This article is available at http://www.cqs.com/epidemic.htm.

Jonathan Campbell
Health Consultant
http://www.cqs.com

igwt
10-14-2005, 04:56 PM
Interesting the EU is saying it's not a issue. So what is the story?

ABC News (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1482935.htm)

10-14-2005, 06:14 PM
"The answer was even more horrifying than the question: two U.S. companies have been contracted to create and test Avian Flu vaccines on 450 voluntary human subjects in three cities: Rochester, NY, Baltimore MD, and Los Angeles, CA, using a culture of H5N1 Avian Flu isolated in China in 2004. In this article published by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), there is no mention of quarantine for the test subjects: http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/mar2005/niaid-23.htm"


Hello!!

Mr. President, can you hear me?

I have some sound advice based on this writer's article regarding the Avian Bird Flu.

Before you initiate a plan for quarantine of those persons who will most likely become infected with the bird flu due to the testing on 450 voluntary human subjects, a vaccine for H5N1, I would highly recommend that you quarantine the subjects.

This, Mr. President, would be a very wise decision so that the risk of these volunteers actually becomming infected with H5N1 cannot pass it onto the general population and create a PANDEMIC.

If this is not your plan; however, I fear that it is, then there shouldn't be any reason why these volunteers are not quarantined.

This would be in the best interest of the health, safety and welfare of the citizens of this country.

I understand you do not have our best interest at heart; however, the "powers that be" better heed the warning.

Yours truly,

and

igwt
10-14-2005, 07:59 PM
Now apparently the EU is concerned about a species jump or possible mutation.

BBC News Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4338490.stm)

igwt
10-15-2005, 07:38 AM
BBC Link (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4344448.stm)

igwt
10-15-2005, 01:54 PM
ABC News (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1483194.htm)

Arjuna
10-15-2005, 10:16 PM
A Bird Flu Protection Forum (http://birdfluprotection.com/bird_flu_forum/viewforum.php?f=1) discussion group has been created.

Here is an interesting article: THE SPANISH INFLUENZA EPIDEMIC OF 1918 WAS CAUSED BY VACCINATIONS (http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf1.html)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/nwowatcher/birdflu1.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/nwowatcher/birdflu2.jpg

10-16-2005, 10:16 AM
Where in the hell are our representatives?

Where in the hell is CONGRESS?

Hands tied behind their backs I assume. Certainly they don't want pictures of themselves having sex with children released to the public!!!!

igwt
10-20-2005, 07:51 AM
It has been detected in domestic cats!

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2004_02_20/en/

Shannow
10-20-2005, 04:07 PM
7 pigeons that arrived in Australia from CANADA are being destroyed today, after showing positive antibodies.link (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16987132%255E2702,00.html)

igwt
10-20-2005, 04:20 PM
Shannow wrote:
7 pigeons that arrived in Australia from CANADA are being destroyed today, after showing positive antibodies.link (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,16987132%255E2702,00.html)

Bad news

truebeliever
10-20-2005, 08:39 PM
If EVER there was a bigger beat up...well there is'nt.

Whats so terribly funny is that to ACTUALLY make a viable immunization shot...wait for it...it's REALLY ironic...the "scientists" have to "make" a version of the virus that ACTUALLY jumps from bird to human! :-D

So in order to fight the "thing" they fear most...the scientists have to actually "make" it...

Oh the irony!

Is'nt it strange how all of a sudden these things are appearing now. For thousands of years bird flu has been around but apparently only now it has become a problem.

"They" must think we're really fucking stupid...

Shannow
10-22-2005, 03:58 AM
dead parrot sketch (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/HEALTH/conditions/10/22/birdflu.main/)

well it's in South America AND the UK now.

10-22-2005, 11:24 AM
Someone please explain why the pigeons were transported from Canada to Australia to be killed.

igwt
10-23-2005, 09:30 PM
BlueAngel wrote:
Someone please explain why the pigeons were transported from Canada to Australia to be killed.

According to the media,the birds were imported racing pigeons.

10-23-2005, 09:36 PM
That's really not how I understood the article, but perhaps I misread.

If you have a parrot that has been imported to another country, fine, I get that.

But, what I thought I read was that the birds with the virus were taken from Canada to another country to be killed.

I'm wondering why?

If they've got the virus, isn't it best to leave them in one place? KILL THEM THERE.

Seems to me, if you're moving them from place to place you are potentially spreading the virus.

Oh, yeah, but that was probably their reasoning.

What was I thinking?

igwt
10-23-2005, 09:48 PM
From The ABC

Last Update: Friday, October 21, 2005. 2:37pm (AEST)
Vets call for ban on bird imports

The Australian Veterinary Association is urging the Federal Government to ban all live bird imports after the discovery in Australia of three birds that have been exposed to avian influenza.

The pigeons were imported from Canada and, after quarantine inspectors in Melbourne identified the birds were carrying antibodies to the virus, imports from that country were banned.

ABC (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200510/s1487757.htm)

igwt
10-23-2005, 11:41 PM
Link (http://www.eubusiness.com/Health/051022074335.p0ckyom3)

truebeliever
10-24-2005, 01:49 AM
Grahem Laver. Molecular Bilogist and discoverer of Avian Bird flu just ripped all the experts to bits!

It was BRILLIANT!

SBS in Oz just had a debate. Here are some extracts. Just a note. As Grahem Laver mocked the shit outta these "experts" and their doom and gloom, the "experts" hung their heads and took their beating. It was glorious to watch! I fucking HATE these bastards who have the nerve to think they can railroad people into the arms of the State with talk of inevitable DOOM based an ABSOLOUTLY NOTHING!

Truly, this WHOLE episode is a beat up from start to finish and I think the media are just about to catch on.

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JENNY BROCKIE: Graeme, do you agree?

GRAEME LAVER: The other thing is this genetic mixing business, the number of instances that bird flus and human flus could infect a cell together over the last 40 years must have been many, many millions of times. We've had no new pandemics for 40 years or 38 years, why?

JENNY BROCKIE: Why?

GRAEME LAVER: Yeah, why? Nobody knows.

JENNY BROCKIE: Well, you answer, I don't know.

GRAEME LAVER: I don't know, it's a mystery.

JENNY BROCKIE: Tell me why.

GRAEME LAVER: It seems in nature at any rate, to form new reassortment hybrid viruses is for some reason very difficult. It can be done very easily in the lab but apparently in nature it doesn't happen, at least between human and bird viruses. In bird-to-bird viruses there's a lot of reassortment but human and bird viruses...

JENNY BROCKIE: So you're not as fearful as, say, Alan is?

GRAEME LAVER: No, no, I don't think so. I don't think bird flu's going to take off but I'm 100% certain there'll be another pandemic some time in the future of some other virus.

JENNY BROCKIE: That's cheerful. We can do a program on that when it happens.

GRAEME LAVER: So get prepared for it.
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I cant get SBS on my digital T.V tuner card otherwise I would have recorded it. You had to see Grahem Laver speak! The video is available on the Insight web site. Also note the "all seeing eye" that Jenny Brockie stands on.

NOTE!!!!

JENNY BROCKIE: So you're not as fearful as, say, Alan is?

GRAEME LAVER: No, no, I don't think so. I don't think bird flu's going to take off but I'm 100% certain there'll be another pandemic some time in the future of some other virus.

I say again...the discoverer of Avian Bird Flu just mocked the hell out of the "experts" but insinuated quite obviously that a MAN MADE virus would be released. Go and watch the video and read the transcript, decide for yourself.

http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/mmarchive.php#

Shannow
10-24-2005, 03:50 AM
truebeliever,
Thanks, I missed the article.

I can't beleive how many people at work are scared out of their wits about the disease.

I keep asking them "how many people have passed it on to another person ?"...None.

"What if the flu that went through work three months ago (i.e. higly transmissable) decide to mutate into deadliness ?"

"It couldn't, could it ?"

Shannow
10-24-2005, 03:54 AM
BlueAngel wrote:
That's really not how I understood the article, but perhaps I misread.

If you have a parrot that has been imported to another country, fine, I get that.

But, what I thought I read was that the birds with the virus were taken from Canada to another country to be killed.

I'm wondering why?

If they've got the virus, isn't it best to leave them in one place? KILL THEM THERE.

Seems to me, if you're moving them from place to place you are potentially spreading the virus.

Oh, yeah, but that was probably their reasoning.

What was I thinking?

nope,
a large number of pigeons were being imported into Australia for pigeon racing, and some of them tested positive for exposure to bird flu.

They got put down.

Wonder when the "equine flu" is going to hit, as we are currently importing racing horses for the Melbourne Cup etc, and using less than rigorous quarantine on these high performance animals.

nomad
10-24-2005, 04:21 AM
truebeliever wrote:
If EVER there was a bigger beat up...well there is'nt.

Whats so terribly funny is that to ACTUALLY make a viable immunization shot...wait for it...it's REALLY ironic...the "scientists" have to "make" a version of the virus that ACTUALLY jumps from bird to human! :-D

So in order to fight the "thing" they fear most...the scientists have to actually "make" it...

Oh the irony!

Is'nt it strange how all of a sudden these things are appearing now. For thousands of years bird flu has been around but apparently only now it has become a problem.

"They" must think we're really fucking stupid...


Their opinion of the intelligence of the world

is not very high at all ... and with the reaction

they caused can you blame them ???

The power of the monopoly media to make white

appear as black is indeed amazing. The media

lords are living the alchemist's dream.

truebeliever
10-24-2005, 04:31 AM
The power of the monopoly media to make white appear as black is indeed amazing.

And this is the point...people in the field are L-A-U-G-H-I-N-G at the media reporting. This is TRUELY white being sold as black.

I urge people to go to that link I posted and watch the discoverer of Avian Bird Flu - Grahem Laver, in no uncertain terms basicaly tell the panel of "experts" that they were talking S-H-I-T...i say again, S-H-I-T...and if you missed it one more time, S-H-I-T...and just for the record, S-H-I-T...did I mention S-H-I-T?

And what did these panel of experts reply to this mans total discrediting of the whole debacle? N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Thats right, after telling us we're all going to die horrible deaths hacking on our own lung tissue...and then having a fellow expert tell them they're full of it, they say N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Literally. They actually do NOT reply to this man. Right in your face.

truebeliever
10-24-2005, 05:58 AM
Really? Well, well, well. And we thought a spectacular mushroom cloud was required?

Bird flu crap is falling apart as we speak. Prepare for new "news speak" any day. How about "Swahili Pussy Cat Cough"...dont laugh! Many a pussy cat laughed and did not live to tell the tail. Scoff if you dare!

What about "Peak Oil"? Been done...hmmmm. I think they should bring back...

Super Volcano! Thats always had a ring to it.

Flu victims may be locked up

By Tanya Giles and Gerard McManus

October 24, 2005

Eskilstuna / AP
Dead duck ... a carcass on the water in the Eskilstuna River, near Stockholm, Sweden. A duck died in the river last week from bird flu / APhttp://network.news.com.au/image/0,10114,5065487,00.jpg

HEALTH officials and police have sweeping powers to confine people in their homes and fine them $20,000 for breaching orders if a deadly flu pandemic strikes here.

People suspected of coming into contact with the virus or showing signs of being infected could be forced into home detention and have their movements restricted under the plan.

In extreme cases, police would be called in to arrest people who refuse to comply with orders and detain them in quarantine to control an outbreak.

Blood tests could be conducted on those suspected of carrying the virus, by force if necessary.

Victorian health authorities are also prepared to close schools or limit large gatherings to control its spread.

The revelations came as fresh outbreaks of avian flu were reported around the world, including in Britain where a parrot was confirmed to have died from the H5N1 strain of the virus.

A dead duck in Sweden was found to have carried the influenza, while Russia has also reported a fresh outbreak of the H5N1 strain that has killed 60 people in Asia.

There are also reports of new cases in Croatia.

Labor's Julia Gillard said yesterday Australia's hospitals were not equipped to deal with a large flu pandemic and said they should immediately be given more money.

"I think it's prudent to be preparing," the health spokeswoman said.

Ms Gillard said that although human-to-human transmission had not occurred, hospitals were already over-stretched.

Prime Minister John Howard said there was no need to spend more money on a possible pandemic.

However, he said a two-day test run of a human flu outbreak by state and federal agencies, and hospitals next month would reveal if the country was ready to handle a bird flu crisis.

Australia's Health Minister Tony Abbott is heading to Canada for a meeting with 30 other health ministers on how to deal with the threat of a bird flu outbreak.

Health workers and police have been already armed under the Victorian Health Act with powers to use "any force necessary" to make people comply.

A spokesman for the Department of Human Services said yesterday chief health officer Dr Robert Hall had emergency powers available to confine or quarantine people if there was a risk to public health.

Isolation orders are for a maximum of 28 days, with the option of extending quarantine for a further 28 days at a time.

Under the Act, people who knowingly or recklessly infect another person face hefty fines of up to $20,000.

The emergency powers are seen as the most effective way of restricting the spread of deadly viruses in the early stages of an outbreak.

If left unchecked, a pandemic affecting Australia in the absence of a vaccine or treatment over six to eight weeks could result in 13,000 to 44,000 deaths and 57,000 to 148,000 people hospitalised, according to health authorities.

The Federal Government's pandemic flu plan says "people may be quarantined in their own homes or in another facility. In most cases, quarantine is voluntary, however state, territory and the Australian governments have authority to compel quarantine to protect the public".

Premier Steve Bracks said yesterday the Victorian Government had protocols in place to deal with any outbreak of bird flu and would review them in consultation with the Federal Government if necessary.

Health authorities interstate and overseas are preparing similar emergency powers to halt the spread of the bird flu.

New South Wales is developing a disaster plan enabling emergency powers to be invoked to prevent suspected sufferers from leaving their homes.

Link (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,17014504-2,00.html)

The nerve!

In extreme cases, police would be called in to arrest people who refuse to comply with orders and detain them in quarantine to control an outbreak.

Blood tests could be conducted on those suspected of carrying the virus, by force if necessary.

Health workers and police have been already armed under the Victorian Health Act with powers to use "any force necessary" to make people comply.

How the hell are these fools getting away with this? This is some of the most over the top crap i have ever read. How many more of these furfies can we stand?

Arjuna
10-24-2005, 07:02 AM
The video PANDEMIC (http://news.sbs.com.au/insight/mmarchive.php#) is outrageous!

truebeliever's quotes of GRAEME LAVER appear in part 2 at time 7:30.

Here are some excerpts from BIRD FLU, LIBERTY, AND QUARANTINE (http://www.newswithviews.com/Cosman/madeleine15.htm)

President Bush is asking Congress to supersede the American traditional possee comitatus and allow federal use of armed troops to perform the police function of keeping sick people in and well people out of those streets, towns, cities, or sections of the country where Bird Flu will rage, sicken, and kill.

The Patriot Act has a clause that allows a Governor to declare a state of medical emergency that imposes martial law, requires each person’s submission to the National Guard, demands relinquishing of personal firearms, and mandates involuntary vaccination, treatment, or quarantine. The President wants to commandeer each state’s National Guard and with the military perform those acts in case of Bird Flu.
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Finland will vaccinate its entire population against Bird Flu even though the precise flu strain is not known. Current vaccines may be partially or totally ineffective. Apparently Finnish medical authorities decided that partial immunity with a premature vaccine is better than no preparation. Finns also might need less new vaccine when one is finally created if they already have built up some immunity to earlier Bird Flu variants. They may be “teaching” Finnish immune systems to be better prepared when the actual mutational variant is discovered that will create a more exact antigen against the disease.
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One major problem with the H5N1 vaccine is that it takes two huge shots separated by a few weeks to create immunity. The large doses of H5N1 vaccine require about 90 micrograms each injection. That is about 12 times the usual flu shot vaccine dose. If the current flu vaccine capacity is a mere 300 million doses, the gigantic quantity per dose required for current Bird Flu H5N1 yields a paltry 25 million doses. Furthermore, one is vulnerable to infection between the two flu vaccine doses.
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What about side-effects? What about individual allergic reactions to eggs and to adjuvants? What about adverse drug reactions? What about drug interactions for diabetics and people immuno-suppressed with chemotherpy? What about injuries caused by vaccination? What about deaths caused by vaccines? By vaccines plus adjuvant? All such questions remain unknowns since we do not even know which strain of H5B1 flu will be the base inactivated virus for the vaccine.
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In his October 4 Rose Garden news conference, President Bush announced that in case of the potential disaster of a Bird Flu epidemic, he favored the military rather than local and state responders because, as he stated, quarantines would be necessary.
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In case of a Bird Flu epidemic, President Bush intends to preempt state and local officials, assure a declaration of martial law, and force people to be imprisoned in their quarantines with the armed force of the American military. Contemplate what that means to you and to this nation.

LaDominio
10-24-2005, 08:04 AM
I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.

Its just another ploy to take away even MORE power from 'the Sheeple'. (Marshal law, police state and all that crap...)

More Bioterrorisim for us to 'choke' on... What did you expect?

madkhao
10-24-2005, 09:47 AM
LaDominio wrote:
I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.



One sunny day I was biking home from work when suddenly a bird attacked my head. I was surprised and caught off guard but I did not fall off my bike. I continued to bike with one hand while my other hand tried to shoo away the bird but it kept on attacking my head until finally it got too far away from its nest and gave up. I guess this kind of stuff doesn't happen often but it happens.

10-24-2005, 10:02 AM
madkhao wrote:

LaDominio wrote:
I sense a conspiracy behind this "Bird Flu" 'pandemic'. Its only contagious through BIRDS. So unless you handle the critters, you dont have anything to worry about.



One sunny day I was biking home from work when suddenly a bird attacked my head. I was surprised and caught off guard but I did not fall off my bike. I continued to bike with one hand while my other hand tried to shoo away the bird but it kept on attacking my head until finally it got too far away from its nest and gave up. I guess this kind of stuff doesn't happen often but it happens.

What was on your head Madkhao?

Maybe the bird thought some of your hair would make a nice addition to his nest!!

:lol:

igwt
10-24-2005, 03:48 PM
Seems contrived. How did the bird flu stay in Asia for as long as it did, then suddenly sweep the world?

Shannow
10-24-2005, 04:10 PM
igwt,
I've had the same thoughts too.

Sits happily in Asia for years, then appears in neighbouring countries (no problem to me there...migratory birds and what not).

Then an identical strain emerges in South America and Canada ?

truebeliever
10-24-2005, 08:45 PM
And thats the point.

It sits around their for thousands of years minding it's own business and then decides to make a sudden appearence. It makes me just as mad as the Peak Oil bullshit and I gaze in amazement that they have the nerve to even put it over. And yet they do. So far successfully, though their are a few chinks in the armour.

I mean to have the world in a tiz over a dubious "flu" (coz thats what it is, plain old flu with a 2% mortality rate:-o) based on little or NO evidence, comparing mortality rates in the shithole called Asia with crap medical care with people who live in filth and sleep with their birds. I mean REALLY!

Did'nt we learn ANYTHING from SARS? Maybe NOMADS right? Just how stupid do people gotta be?