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w102pdc
10-15-2005, 11:48 PM
A Closer Look
October 10, 2005

Hour 1 and 2::
Michael Corbin interviews Paul David Collins and Phillip Collins. The
focus of the program provides further research from October 3, 2005,
and a disturbing relationship with the Minuteman Project leadership
and neo-Nazi factions. The Collins brothers discuss John Tanton, a
major benefactor of anti-illegal immigration national groups.

http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/101005a-collins.ram
http://www.4acloserlook.com/realaudio/101005b-collins.ram

Thumper
10-16-2005, 12:59 AM
what is this bullshit

AgentOrange
10-16-2005, 06:07 AM
Its about the minutemen being controlled by the globalists. Very interesting information!



Manufactured race war anyone?

w102pdc
10-16-2005, 09:33 AM
Agent Orange: You are right on the mark. The co-opting of the Minute Men movement by white supremacists represents another step in the elite's project of promulgating racial dialetics If they can radicalize the Minute Men, then they can pit them against the Aztlan movement. Such a manufactured race war would provide the ruling class with a readily exploitable threat and a pretext for the implementation of police state policies.

Thumper: Sorry you don't like it. However, it is a reality. It is very important for humanity to start getting over its hang-ups. Racism is one of them. We have a common enemy and they don't owe their allegiance to any particular ethnicity. They wish to subjugate all of us. The new world order is an equal opportunity oppressor.

igwt
10-16-2005, 09:51 AM
w102pdc

Good on you for posting the links. Very informative.

Thumper
10-16-2005, 12:25 PM
the enemy is globalist sponsored illegal immigration, not 'racism'. Even if the minutemen weren't co-oped by 'nazis' there's no way the US could survive such a balkanizing effect of tens of millions of people speaking another language (not just spanish).

you've just played into the hands of the mainstream media who themselves call the minutement neo nazis.

your post deals at the very very surface of the problem. By subscribing into your 'anti-discrimination' message, the western nations effectively resign their right to control their borders, and self determination for their people. it reminds me of when liberal arts types say 'don't hate' or 'don't discriminate' (i.e. don't have a value system) when they shove a new perverse idea of theirs.

balkanization, multi-cult, mass migration, ethnic cleansing, and lowering the living standard are all goals of the NWO.

the pillars of human identity against one worldism tyrany in the exclusive forms of race, nation, family, and religion are indeed 'hang ups'. As are heterosexuality, and belief in one God.

A volatile reaction against mass foreign immigration is to be expected, except you're calling that the 'disease' when in fact it's the auto-immune response.

Treat the real disease (Globalist sponsored illegal immigration), not the symptom.

w102pdc
10-16-2005, 08:49 PM
Evidently, you did not even listen to the interview. If you had, you would have taken note of the historical precedents concerning racial dialetics, which further the globalist agenda.

"the enemy is globalist sponsored illegal immigration, not 'racism'."

Wrong. Racism is globalist-sponsored because it facilitates divisive identity politics. Yes, illegal immigration is a problem. However, a racist backlash against it is NOT the solution. Racism only further confuses the issue of border integrity and national sovereignty.

"A volatile reaction against mass foreign immigration is to be expected, except you're calling that the 'disease' when in fact it's the auto-immune response."

Wrong. Expected or unexpected, a volatile reactions is neither acceptable nor helpful. Responding with hate is just as bad as allowing the problem to persist.

"the pillars of human identity against one worldism tyrany in the exclusive forms of race, nation, family, and religion are indeed 'hang ups'."

The contention that human identity is derived from race is inherently collectivistic. It presupposes that one derives their intrinsic value from some ethnic group instead of themselves. This is not antithetical to "one worldism." In fact, it synchronizes rather comfortably with the new world order's neo-tribalism.

As for nation, religion, and family, these only define one's personal identity to certain extent. Moreover, while they are valid institutions, none of them are designed to justify irrational hatred towards others.

"it reminds me of when liberal arts types say 'don't hate' or 'don't discriminate' (i.e. don't have a value system) when they shove a new perverse idea of theirs."

To be sure, some worthwhile value systems prescripe some hatred, but only of evil principles and precepts. The Devil is an equal opportunity employer and his agents are of all races, colors, and creeds. To attempt to relocate evil within a single ethnicity is to presuppose that evil has an exclusively genetic (and, by extension, material) cause. This is materialism of the most depraved sort. It ignores the spiritual origin of man's woes and attempts to restrict the battle between good and evil to this ontological plane. Hence, we have the numerous seek and destroy campaigns of this century (the war on drugs, the war on guns, the war on class distinctions, etc.).

"Treat the real disease (Globalist sponsored illegal immigration), not the symptom."

You do not specify any real "treatment." Yet, you seem very comfortable with border violence and racism. If these are your "treatments," then don't expect the problem to go away. Instead, you are providing the power elite with a politically expedient racial dialectic. Such racial dialectics effectively camouflaged the conspiracy behind the OKC bombing.

The real treatment is immigration policy reform, not anti-immigration racism.

You are entitled to your views. However, I fail to see how they help to solve the problem.

Thumper
10-16-2005, 11:57 PM
You do not specify any real "treatment." Yet, you seem very comfortable with border violence and racism. If these are your "treatments," then don't expect the problem to go away. Instead, you are providing the power elite with a politically expedient racial dialectic. Such racial dialectics effectively camouflaged the conspiracy behind the OKC bombing.Why don't you talk about the fact that illegal immigrants make up 30 percent of the population in LA county prisons? How about the true border violence that is los zetas gangs killing people on both sides of the border, which according to prisonplanet have amounted to over 600 deaths IN ONE MONTH. What imaginary violence have the minutemen ever perpetuated?

Crying about racism is a total Red Herring in light of an ILLEGAL INVASION OF TENS OF MILLIONS.

The treatment is simple. Support the minutemen, deport the illegals, and stop parroting the whorish corporate media.

Ahmad
10-17-2005, 05:14 AM
peace all,

This is a typical Satanic scenario, setting the two extremes on a collision course, the first extreme is the liberals (globalists) who encourage open society, and the second is the conservatives who are too stuck in their race/dogma to see the truth.

The truth is neither the liberals nor the conservatives are right, if we really worship the one god, we should be balanced and avoid these extremes of Satan.

w102pdc
10-17-2005, 12:49 PM
"Support the minutemen, deport the illegals, and stop parroting the whorish corporate media."

Again, you have not listened to the interview. The informaion presented in it is not something you will hear on CNN or MSNBC. I am not parroting the "whorish corporate media."

I wish I could support the Minute Men. The cause initially appeared genuine and, no doubt, many of the lower level adherents are genuine. However, men like Glenn Spencer have been tied with individuals like John Tanton, a major proponent of population control. Spencer has absolutely no qualms with Tanton's Malthusian rhetoric.

Tanton was a member of Zero Population Growth, an organization devoted to global depopulation efforts. ZPG was founded by Paul Ehrlich, who peddles phony eschatological claims of an impending Malthusian catastrophe. Ehrlich's wife is also a member of the Club of Rome, another elite machination.

Tanton also acted as president of Michigan's Planned Parenthood, which is historically connected with the eugenics movement. With the continuity of the population control and eugenic themes running through Tanton's work, I think it becomes clear what his true agenda concerning illegal immigration is.

Tanton's network of organizations are gradually subsuming the Minute Men movement. Thus, what began as a genuine cause in maintaining America's border integrity is in danger of being perverted.

It would be incredibly helpful if Jim Gilchrist would come forward and denounce such individuals. Why he hasn't is beyond me. Meanwhile, the Minute Men continues to follow a dangerous trajectory.

"Crying about racism is a total Red Herring in light of an ILLEGAL INVASION OF TENS OF MILLIONS."

To assert that racism is a "Red Herring" is to overlook not only a legitimate problem, but elite criminality as well. The power elite have been employing racial dialectics for years. To assume that the Minute Men movement is immune to such subversion is the height of hubris.

"What imaginary violence have the minutemen ever perpetuated?"

I never asserted that they were guilty of any violence. Evidently, in addition to not listening to the interview, you also did not read my post. No, the Minute Men have not perpetrated any acts of violence. Let's hope it stays that way. However, the potential for the Minute Men being radicalized is real. White supremacists are historically militant individuals. If they successfully co-opt the Minute Men, then the organization could develop a paramilitary auxillary.

"How about the true border violence that is los zetas gangs killing people on both sides of the border, which according to prisonplanet have amounted to over 600 deaths IN ONE MONTH."

You're only making my argument. These gangs and other Chicano supremacists are being financed by the Ford Foundation and other elite organs. If the Minute Men are radicalized, then they could be pitted against the radical Marxist Chicano movements. This would facilitate a politically expedient racial dialectic.

You don't have to take my word for it. Do the research for yourself.

Thumper
10-17-2005, 01:13 PM
trying to figure out all this cloak and dagger stuff will make your head spin. That's why I don't bother with smear campaigns, or other strawman attacks that allegedly ties ONE PERSON to population reduction program. I look at POLICIES.

Of all the things you acknowledged, such as border violence, ethnic violence, balkanization, etc. whom is it being promulgated by?

The minutemen whom you're focusing an inordinate amount of attention on, or the Ford Foundation backed illegal immigration and 'Reconquista' movement?

Again, if the minutemen were not genuine and were indeed a NWO front, why the hell does Bush himself call them radicals and vigilantes like you're doing right now???

w102pdc
10-17-2005, 07:28 PM
Thumper,

In all fairness, I am attempting to see your point. However, you are not making one.

I NEVER said that the Minute Men was an "NWO front." I said that there is a distinct possibility that it is being co-opted by white supremacist groups. In turn, these groups are tied to the power elite. You are oversimplifying this topic with populist pseudo-intellectualism. You cannot write it off as "cloak and dagger." It is reality.

And no, I did not focus an inordinate amount of attention on the Minute Men. In fact, I have written extensively on the radical Marxist Aztlan groups. You can read about them in my article "War of the Worldviews." It is here:

http://www.newswithviews.com/Collins/phillip1.htm

Moreover, that knife cuts both ways. One could equally argue that you focus an inordinate amount of attention on the immigration question, which suggests a racial bias.

Yes, Bush decried the Minute Men. So? Bush is not the center of the onion. He is not aware of what all the other factions of the ruling class are doing. Nor is he completely aware of what the other neo-cons in his own administration are doing. Command topology is constantly shifting. Absolute power never resides within a single entity. You are overlooking elite factionalism.

Thumper
10-17-2005, 07:46 PM
"You are overlooking elite factionalism."

I see the NWO as a monolithic thing, no competing camps. That's probably the schism in our thinking.

As well, the 'white supremacist' label has lost all meaning, especially when the multi-kult lobby uses to that term against its critics to Islamify Western Europe and turn it into a police state/refugee camp.

If by 'white supramecist' you mean a group that's actively looking to enslave/exterminate a non-white ethnic group, than that's a legitimate grievance. It does not apply however, to maintaining national or racial character through control of immigration or other forms of self determination (as all non-western nations are afforded), and on this we must disagree.