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madkhao
12-06-2004, 12:30 PM
Just interested in knowing what fellow members think about this theory. WARNING very very long
http://www.beyondweird.com/ufos/Branton_The_Dulce_Files_Chapter33_Phil_Schneider_V s_The_New_World_Order.html
I must say, long before I ever heard of the NWO and when I was a unbeliever about UFOs myself, I saw one with my very own eyes. So I understand skeptism but I haven't thrown this theory into the trash.

sablefish
12-09-2004, 02:17 PM
Strange as it seems I read the whole thing.. (that's how bored it I am) It reminds me of David Icke.. From my point of view this, as wild as it sounds, this may be closer to the Big picture than anthing else.. I mean it's so tinfoil hat, it's probably very close to the truth.

The last part of it where the guy says that the greys tell him he is the prophet sounds a little far fetched.. other than that.. very interesting.

marypopinz
12-09-2004, 03:07 PM
I seiously question an information from any participant of Aleister Crowley "Magic" or the Goldren Dawn. Them boys are into Lucifer and the "Dawn" is all over that site.

Always keep an open mind...
And be aware

Mary XXX

thokhanCep
12-09-2004, 05:08 PM
I've read about NWO and the UFO's or IFO's.
President Ronald Reagen,(watch out for another actor turned President Arnold the Barbarian in08)
Reagen would have UFO's in his speeches and was into/interested/belonged? to the Occult. I do not have the exact quote but it was along the lines of an extraterrestrial threat and humanity fending off the ET invaders... kinda like that Independence Day movie (illuminati propaganda)
It would be the NWO-Satan-Illuminati wild card to be played when their power structure is close to complete collapse.
So far they have defeated the Dictator mass murderer Hitler (which "they" all helped fund) Next enemy was communism (russia and china) and the cold war that controls the population through constant fear of MAD (mutual agreed destruction). Russia lost its "money" to an insane arms race and internal sabotage. NOW the US trades with China like they've been friends for a century. Next enemy please ... in comes Osama and terrorism .. who knows when this will end?? I don't have a clue ... I guess when the Axis of Evil meets its demise.

Germany was a place of pillaging after WW2. USA got its project paperClip .. the Nazi scientist and blueprints for new technology.
On a personal basis I have seen questionable objects in the sky with and without other witnesses. If you know of Nicola Tesla there is nothing, it seems , that is impossible.

Anyways here are some search tools, names places and times to check out for yourself:
google KeyWord search: nazi 3rd reich ufo
http://www.violations.dabsol.co.uk/secrets/secretspart1.htm
aircraft designer Rudolph Schriever

His claims are backed up by a 1975 Luftfahrt International Report that noted that after Shriever’s death in the late 1950s, papers found amongst his belongings revealed incomplete notes for a large flying saucer, a series of sketches of the machine and several newspaper clippings of himself and his alleged flying saucer. Up to his death, Schriever had repeatedly claimed that the UFO sightings since the end of the war were proof that his original ideas had been taken further with successful results.

That these events occurred is also supported by former CIA agent Virgil Armstrong who commented "We know that in the early parts of the war there were certain factions of the Allied forces that did not believe he had a secret weapon and it wasn’t until the Americans made much emphasis of this that they began to look at it seriously and indeed did discover that Hitler not only had a secret weapon, he had what we would call today a UFO or spacecraft.



Reagen:
http://www.presidentialufo.com/reagan_ufo_story.htm

The efforts to maintain silence on the subjects of UFOs, ghosts, astrology, and Armageddon by White House staffers, however, were not always successful. Reagan was a big fan of the occult, so from time to time these items would appear in Reagan speeches. In a February 11, 1988 speech called, Remarks at the Annual Conservative Political Action Conference Dinner Reagan was able to get both ghosts and UFOs in the same speech. In the speech written for Reagan by Pulitzer Prize winning speech writer Tony Dolan Reagan said:

...By the way, something odd happened just before I got here tonight that I think you should know about. I got a message from Dave Keane reminding me that this was the eve of Lincoln's birthday-and suggesting I go upstairs and check on the ghost in Lincoln's bedroom. I did. And what do you know, there was Stan Evans dressed as Abe Lincoln. And he kept saying, "Listen to Jesse Helms.". . . Well, we conservatives have been in Washington now for a while and we occasionally need to remind ourselves what brought us here in the first place: our unshakable, root-deep, all-encompassing skepticism about the capital city's answer to the UFO, that bizarre, ever-tottering but ever-flickering saucer in the sky called "The Prevailing Washington Wisdom.


There were a great number of these UFO, ghost, and Armageddon references written into Reagan speeches. Whether the UFO comments were planned or slips of the tongue by Reagan, the first controversial UFO comment would not be made by Reagan but by a senior member of the National Security Agency, writing on Reagan’s behalf.

On September 28, 1981, President Reagan received a letter from Major Ret. Colman VonKeviczky. VonKeviczky was the Director of the International UFO Galactic Spacecraft Research and Analytic Network (ICUFON). This group held that UFOs "represented an intergalactic task force that will destroy earth unless world leaders band together to end their hostile actions against UFOs."

The idea of a war against beings of another world also went back many years before Reagan became President. War hero General Douglas MacArthur spoke of "an ultimate conflict between a united human race and the sinister forces of some other planetary galaxy." Mayor Achille Lauro of Naples, Italy, quoted MacArthur as telling him, "the earth would have to make a common front against attack by people from other planets."

During the Nixon administration, there was open discussion inside the government about the potential threat from aliens coming to Earth. An article written by Michael Michaud, a career diplomat in the State Department, pointed out the Nixon administration’s worry about extraterrestrials:

Aliens from other solar systems are a potential threat to us, and we are a potential threat to them. Scientists and others have often postulated that extraterrestrial societies more advanced than ours would be less warlike. Regrettably, the stereotypes of the benevolent, super intelligent alien may be as unrealistic as the stereotype of the bug-eyed monster carrying off shapely human females. Even if a species had achieved true peace within its own ranks, it would still be worried about us, and would take the measures it felt were necessary to protect itself. This includes the possibility (not the inevitability) of military action . . . Our basic interest will be to protect ourselves from any possible threat to Earth’s security . . . "

sablefish
12-10-2004, 01:41 PM
I think this war against "terrorism" is self protection for the war against the elites.. I think 9/11 was an inside job and that al Qaeda is is employed by the NWO. I think all these Patriot Acts that are put in place are to protect politicians, governments, and the corporations that control them against their own citizen/subjects.

I wish the powers that be would have chosen to attack the U.F.Os instead of us...
Any enemy would have been fine to cause more public debt.. Why did it have to be us?

madkhao
12-10-2004, 02:50 PM
Phew! I am so glad I finally got some opinions on this topic.

I was thinking...Ohhh great! I had to be the one to bring Sci-Fi BS into this "seriously political conspiracy dicussion"

Sablefish,

I pretty much thought the same thing that you did. I mean...the little greys and the big greys? That WAS too much. But it makes me wonder...this story had the movies Alien, Predator, Alien vs Predator, Dreamcatcher and a few others.

What came first the chicken or the egg?

God tells us that Satan is the father of lies.
At best he tells a half truth.
In the garden of Eden he told Eve, "..you shall not die...your eyes will be opened and ye shall be as gods knowing good and evil"

I know Satan is truly creative when it comes to lies - but could it be a half truth?

I believe that spirits, good and bad, are unseen and able to manifest themselves in us. Then we ourselves start living like angels or demons. Now when one becomes illuminated with the WRONG light, posessing too much knowledge of mostly EVIL, who knows what they are capable of creating or building. A piddly little thing like a ufo when God created the Heavens and the Earth.

ThokhanCep, what did the unquestionable objects that you saw look like? The one I saw looked like this . . . . .
Great picture huh? Five red lights moving across a starry sky when I used to live outside the Toronto area. It was too slow to be a shooting star and it was too fast to be a plane. They were in perfect line with each other and the only words that ever comes to my mind to describe its flight is fast and SMOOTH!

marypopinz
12-10-2004, 04:40 PM
Shag Harbour, Nova Scotia is an interesting UFO story. Apparently, a UFO crash landed and another ship came to its aid. Seems there was some jockying for position when it came to intelligence. Canada, America, U.S.S.R..

A very interesting story and there are too many people saying the same story, there must be truth(too many witnesses). I have met newfies who have seen UFO's. The people I have been told these stories by have nothing to gain. They are almost embarassed to admit what happened.

It could make a very interesting Hollywood plot that could be played out to the Sheeple.

Due to theft of alien technology, Arnie the president of the free new world order defending the pseudo onslaught of UFO's which are real and manned by black-ops.

They are trying to prepare the sheeple of Hollywood consumerism for just such an event. Hollywood has been preaching the Arab plane terrorist for how long???

These idiots are getting dumber and dumber themselves. Because they keep getting away with things because they have removed the checks and balances, they feel comfortable in always pushing the boundaries just that little bit farther. They are getting caught. They are scared.

There is life elsewhere. Some have seen the signs. Whether the Hollywood NWO and Arnie will attack or the real deal UFO little grey men is the question that begs asking in this propogated world of propaganda. I say we worry about the here and now and the real threat that is our government. If the aliens come hopefully they will be friendly. If they are hostile, divided as we are, we would not have a hope in hell bar the grace of God.

My bets on the here and now. My bets on the people cluing into the con and exposing it. Think of all the vast amounts of truth that have been revealed, just on this one little site?

Maybe God is the father of a much bigger picture. With humanity as racist as it as, watching genocide after genocide in country after country, going to work to make the donuts... How could God ever introduce us to another world of peoples?

"Hello, these are my human children. Must have been deprived of intelligence in childhood. They don't know how to get along, can't think for themselves and I am offering my apology for the future damage they will surely incur in your beautiful home. There's one rotten relation, Satan, and he has been placing all kinds of foolish notions in my families heads."

"Your children have learned to communicate telepathically? We can't even communicate with words let alone thoughts or emotions..."

"Where did I go wrong as a parent. I thought I taught them right from wrong. It's time to disown satan. He's been nothing but trouble. I've been excusing him forever and it's high time he learnt the hard lesson that he's had coming to him."

"I don't care was made to care and all the people who followed."

"Maybe the next time I come to visit, my children will learn to behave. I keep trying. Sooner or later they will learn and then maybe they can play with your kids? That would be nice, wouldn't it?"

Me and my imagination?

Mary XXX

thokhanCep
12-14-2004, 10:51 PM
Hey madkhao
The UFO or IFO's that I witnessed have varied over the years.
1st time I saw one was when I was 10. My friend and I were outside, we ran around the side of his house and stopped, looking in awe at this "other world". It was where the power lines and trees should have been but instead we were looking at this spherical bundle of energy. It stayed in one place and was about the size of a meter stick in diameter. That was the 1st and last time I've seen anything like that!
2nd and 3rd sighting of suspicious air vehicles happened in the same general area.
2nd one would have been when I was a few years older - riding bikes with my friend we had a race down the new street where a subdivision was underconstruction. At the end of the street we both saw a black tri angle hovering at tree level. ( side note could be military - check Rense.com the Eye witness accounts on that site seem a lot like mine and my friends )
Needless to say we rode our bikes faster away from the thing than our race that got us there.
3rd Would be my friend ( the same that saw the tri angle ) and I on our bikes again , this time on a hill in the same subdivision proabably a few weeks later. While on the hill we heard a slight almost airplane like whine , we looked up to see this ball of light traveling a low altitude. It seemed alive and had a tapered tail on it. It didn't "light up the sky" but it seemed to have fallen to earth 10km's away. Being around 13 at the time I thought i'd see/hear about that event the next day but nothing came about. So that was the end of that.

Now there are a few others that are strange. The one that freaked my Ex-girlfriend out one night was the ultimate for a non believer like her self .. haha ( we are no longer together , but I know she remembers this event like it was yesterday. ) I was the D.D. at a party , we were on the way home from sherkston shore's ( near fort Erie ) I was driving West on high way 3 and I noticed this hovering light with an orangish glow in and around the area of Nickle beach. I mentioned to her that one of my friends is out over the water , and that I was going to call it over to me. She freaked out and I ended up pulling off onto snyder rd. ( a dead end road ) I went roughly 100 meters up the road and did the universal 3 blinks with the high beams( try it for your self its like a light code ...
1 blink 2 blink pause and for as long as your pause hold your high beams on and re-do the process over again ) After the light show was over, maybe 3 times into it , this "ufo" with great speed was right in front of us. My ex-girlfriend lost it screaming like a banshee. I consider my self an excellent driver in the art of rally racing SO I did a reverse 180 and drove as fast as a Ford Escort would let me. It shadowed my car right into "lidsville" on the eastside of Port colborne. Once inside the mini city it broke off its pursuit. The aftermath of this experience was an ear-full from my exgirl-friend , who probably looks at life in the same light as I do.
I guess it comes down to your beliefs. I believe there are UFO's and IFO's , obviously .. I have seen them flying, been chased by them and have changed a person through experiencing them.
What I do question are the people-beings who a driving these advanced air vehicles???

thokhanCep
12-15-2004, 04:15 AM
Here's some more ifo's and a website that has library of pic's

http://www.laesieworks.com/ifo/lib/index-AVRO.html

AVRO/USAF

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
A.V. Roe Canada Limited.
(located at Malton near Toronto, Canada)
and the
United States Air Force.
These two build a lot of VTOL discs, most still a secret.


There may well be a "German connection".
Towards the end of WWII, some allied fighter pilots reported that strange luminous globes sometimes followed their aircraft during sorties over Germany. To this day, it is not known exactly what the objects were.

In April of 1950, the Joint Intelligence Council investigated the matter of flying saucers. In a report sent to the Canadian Defence Research Board (DRB) in 1953, the American Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) noted that German engineers had filed patents for flying-saucer-like craft they had supposedly developed towards the end of the war.

A number of former German soldiers claimed of having worked on saucer-like aircraft. In 1959, a book entitled, "German Secret Weapons of the Second World War," claimed the "Foo Fighters" were the product of Hitler's war machine. One individual who believed the Nazis had developed such, devices was aeronautical engineer John C. Frost of A.V. Roe Canada Limited.

Suddenly, on February 20, 1959, all AVRO projects were canceled (not just VTOL discs), Avro Canada was closed. This immediately put over 50,000 people out of work at the plants and outside suppliers. A large number of engineers were immediately recruited to NASA.

Top secret reports recently declassified from the U.S. show they had a real concern that the West might be lagging behind the Soviets in this type of development, especially if the latter had inherited the work of captured German aeronautical specialists.

Born_To_Die
12-15-2004, 04:54 AM
Interesting free video on page 2 of this site

... 400 government insiders come out with UFO

knowledge and experience.

http://www.illuminatinews.com/

madkhao
12-15-2004, 12:04 PM
That was the first I heard of them trying to control the weather. Although I have heard about their earthquake machine.


What I do question are the people-beings who a driving these advanced air vehicles???


Why do they always describe aliens as looking like the ancient chinese?

That's what I wonder.

thokhanCep
12-15-2004, 11:29 PM
Why do they always describe aliens as looking like the ancient chinese?

Do you mean like the "greys" big black eyes and smaller body type? Aleister crowley's one book had a picture on it of an entity he called LAM and it looked like the "grey" alien seen/witnessed by people....

Have you heard of the Vril?
SS troops in Tibet looking for ET technology?
Could be the ancient chinese connection?
http://www.burlingtonnews.net/hitlersufo.html
Nazi Germany’s Pre-War Programs to Develop ET Inspired Technology
Adolph Hitler’s fascination with Occult Sciences, Esoteric philosophies and exotic technologies led him to exploiting whatever avenues he had in gaining access to and developing weapons technologies that would allow Nazi Germany to gain its rightful place, in Hitler’s view, as a leading global power. [5] As a student of occult sciences, Hitler was well aware of the possibility of communicating with extraterrestrial races through methods such as ‘psychic channeling’ whereby an individual could establish communication with non-physical and/or distant life forms and transmit information. Such communication was well known among the Occult societies scattered throughout Northern Europe who studied the work of mystics such as Helena Blavatsky, who wrote extensively of her esoteric communications with other ‘life forms’ and how to develop these communication abilities. [6]

While such a phenomenon in the contemporary era struggles to be taken seriously by the general public, there is compelling evidence that not only did Hitler take it seriously, but devoted considerable resources of the Nazi state into converting information gained from such efforts into technology development and weapons production. [7] Much of the information gained in such ‘psychic communications’ led to Nazi expeditions in the period before the Second World War to remote locations such as Tibet, Antarctica, South America, Iraq and elsewhere in search of buried ET artifacts from earlier civilizations.

One of the principal Nazi Occult societies that were supported by Hitler was the Vril Society that “was allegedly ‘channeling’ messages from an alien civilization in the Aldebaran solar system and planned to develop a craft that could make physical contact with the civilization there.” [8] Another significant Occult Group was the Thule Society that was similarly claiming to be in communication with an advanced race; rather than an off-world ET race, however, this was an advanced human race with Nordic features from an ancient Earth civilization that inhabited subterranean territories that were accessible from the polar regions and other secluded areas around the planet. [9]

thokhanCep
12-30-2004, 09:23 AM
Well if the Tibetan Monks are controlled by the NWO I am going to go hide in a dry well!!!

Actually the funny thing is I watched a TV show about psychomanteums and an array of people who had the same illusion of aliens and 2012.

Raymond Moody, the world's foremost expert on psychomanteums.
http://www.angelphotography.com/Psychomanteum%20Info.html

http://www.montalk.net/misc/95/research-notes
http://seekers.100megs6.com/Whistling%20in%20the%20Dark.htm


http://www.rense.com/general61/tibert.htm
Tibetan Monks See ETs Saving
Earth From Humans In 2012
N.K. Subramanium
Special Correspondent
12-28-4

Remote viewing is nothing new in Tibetan monasteries. For thousands of years remote viewing in the middle of other spiritual activities have dominated Tibetan culture. What some Indian tourists came to learn from a few Tibetan monasteries under the current Chinese rule is extremely alarming and fascinating.

Remote viewing is nothing new in Tibetan monasteries. For thousands of years remote viewing in the middle of other spiritual activities have dominated Tibetan culture. What some Indian tourists came to learn from a few Tibetan monasteries under the current Chinese rule is extremely alarming and fascinating.

According to these tourists remote viewers are seeing world powers in the course of self-destruction. They also see that the world will not be destroyed. Between now and 2012 the world super powers will continue to engage in regional wars. Terrorism and covert war will be the main problem. In world politics something will happen in and around 2010. At that time the world powers will threaten to destroy each other.
Between 2010 and 2012, the whole world will get polarized and prepare for the ultimate dooms day. Heavy political maneuvers and negotiations will take place with little progress.
In 2012, the world will start plunging into a total destructive nuclear war.

And at that time something remarkable will happen, says, Buddhist monk of Tibet. Supernatural divine powers will intervene. The destiny of the world is not to self-destruct at this time.
Scientific interpretation of the monks, statements makes it evident that the Extra Terrestrial powers are watching us every step of the way. They will intervene in 2012 and save the world from self-destruction.
When asked about recent UFO sightings in India and China, the monks smiled and said the divine powers are watching us all. Mankind cannot and will not be allowed to alter the future to that great extent.
Every human being though their current acts in life called "Karma can alter the future lives to some extent, but changing the destiny in that large extent will not be allowed to that great an extent.

Monks also mentioned that beyond 2012 our current civilization would understand that the final frontier of science and technology is in area of spirituality and not material physics and chemistry. Beyond 2012, out technologies will take a different direction. People will learn the essence of spirituality, the relation between body and the soul, the reincarnation and the fact we are connected with each other are all part of "God.

In India and China UFO sightings have increased in many folds. Many say the Chinese and Indian Governments are being contacted by the Extra Terrestrials.

In recent days most UFO activities have been seen in those countries who have indigenously developed Nuke capabilities.

When asked if these extra-terrestrials will show up in reality in 2012, the answers remote viewers are giving is: they will reveal themselves in such a way that none of us scared. They will reveal themselves only if they have to. As our science and technology progresses, we are destined to see them and interact with them any way.

According to the remote viewers, our earth is blessed and is being saved continuously from all kinds of hazards all the time that we are not even aware of. As our technologies progress we will realize how external forces saved us.

Born_To_Die
12-30-2004, 09:29 AM
My brother-in-law the Mason constantly tells

me to buy land up in northern Canada to

prepare for 2012. He says the Big One is

coming in 2012.

john
12-30-2004, 09:47 AM
I know this will irritate some of you but I am quite certain that the connection between the UFOs and the NWO was cunningly established by people who wants to ridicule the opposition to the orwellian NWO. For sure, these x-file kind of tales allows a certain "elite" to make discredit the hidden truth about the NWO. Let`s call it the "David Icke syndrome"...

Born_To_Die
12-30-2004, 10:12 AM
john wrote:
I know this will irritate some of you but I am quite certain that the connection between the UFOs and the NWO was cunningly established by people who wants to ridicule the opposition to the orwellian NWO. For sure, these x-file kind of tales allows a certain "elite" to make discredit the hidden truth about the NWO. Let`s call it the "David Icke syndrome"...


John I would have to agree ... they are

playing with a great diversion technique ...

if they would study what Nikola Tesla achieved

they would see that we don't NEED alien

technology for advancement because we already

have EVERYTHING we need already and that its

being suppressed by the NWO. ... like

the good man said, when you pray don't pray

for the obvious because God knows what

you need before you even ask ... implying

EVERYTHING is there ... ie free energy.

Tesla believed that the reason we have

so many poor (about half the planet lives on less

than a dollar a day) is because of the lack

of free energy which is AVAILABLE, just

like the air you breath is available to you ...

but then the NWO wouldn't be able to charge

you for dirty fuel and continue to have us believe

that wars are necessary.

freeman
12-30-2004, 11:06 AM
My question is why, if the elites have had access to this "remote viewing", do they still need to retain their army of freemasonic and illuminati flunkies to spy on everyone?
Just overkill?

thokhanCep
01-03-2005, 03:00 AM
I just re-discovered this thought process:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/skullandbones/index.htm
"Are the modern elite Masons (global elite) linked to the biblical Elohim?" Of course they are. They are one and the same! It wasn't Christ's Father who created the human race, it was the Elohim!

Genesis 1:26; "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: . . ."

The word "God" has to be a plural entity because the usage refers to more than one individual. Studying the Hebrew bible, which is the ORIGINAL, reveals that the creative act is attributed to a certain ELOHIM---- a plural term that at the least should be translated as "gods," not "God". You need to be aware that the quoted verse also explains why "The Adam" was created: "For there was no Adam to till the land." These are two important --- and unsettling --- hints to who had created Man and why.

Man was created by the Elohim as a slave. They are the ones spoken of by ancient civilizations as being "the gods".

The fact that we see the numbers which are linked to modern day Freemasonry encoded within our DNA only proves that the modern day global elite are the biblical Elohim. It also proves that Freemasonry is older than the human race!

With all the combined evidence we can honestly say that we know who created the human race and for what purpose. They left their calling cards all over the place and didn't do a good enough job hiding them."

-------------------------------------------------
and I started to think about it.....
Why not?
I mean we more or less run around all day for hours on end grabbing resources and piling them up for odd reasons.......For who?
Images of UFO's can be found in ancient paintings.
Places like atlantis , the Vril power and other links in this forum seem to point towards an entire seperate history that has been fragmented
and largely untold.
and while I wear the tin foil hat tonight
TELL me why reptilians can not exist?

ha ah haaa
later

sablefish
01-03-2005, 04:28 AM
thokhanCep.. "For there was no Adam to till the land" We don't so much till the land for them as we do extract precious metals and minerals. Perhaps we are a mining colony of slaves, who work harder when we think we are free.

I don't think I have ever seen a UFO.. but I have dreams of alien, otherworldly skies, and fleets of very advanced flying things.

And how I love those dreams.. It's almost like a rapture, except there is a sinister undertone to them.

Spielberg.. Is making a second version of 'The War Of Of The Worlds', perhaps to help prepare us for their coming.

thokhanCep
01-03-2005, 04:49 AM
Yeah eh sablefish!!
War of the Worlds Round two just in time for ww3?

If anyone wants to take a crash course on all things unexplained click HERE (http://www.freedomdomain.com/Catalog/catalog.htm)

Well maybe not all but IT has a nice rambling technique to it.

madkhao
01-04-2005, 02:16 PM
I think it was you Thor, who previously posted an article about the word dragon. In that article it said something about the word serpent being more about the mental characteristics of someone rather than the physical. I agree with that.

Reptilians, I'm sure, are just evil people or evil angels.

The bible tells us God sent 'evil angels' to Egypt just before the exodus. Perhaps this could explain why some people believe aliens built the pyramids.
Ps 78:49

I'm thinking aliens are just evil angels.

Hebrews 13:2 tells us angels look like normal human beings therefore evil angels (aliens?) probably look like normal people too.

As for Genesis 1:26; "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: . . ."
I truly believe that it is plural because there is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit speaking.

God made man to till the land because it was overabundant. Our only duty back in the garden of Eden was to eat food and keep nature from overgrowing. That's not slavery, that's life without government and taxes. That was our original place in the circle of life.

Please don't believe that Elohim are the Masons. They do not deserve that much credit. They are slave drivers and they may be aliens for sure but they are not gods.

Read what fritz has to say about elohim and aliens here.
http://www.whale.to/b/sp/for1.html#Foundation%20Step%202.

Once in a while I'll have a dream about UFOs.
They really are fun dreams leaving you in a funny state.
Kind of like the flying dreams.

I had a dream once when I was younger that I was being choked by this dark shadowy figure. I couldn't breathe I couldn't scream.
Finally I was able to scream, that's when I woke up and found my arms crossed over my chest and my hands were on my neck
I guess I was choking myself in my sleep
The same year my father had the same nightmare but the person choking him was a monk in traditional orange/gold robing
I just thought I'd share.

Ahmad
01-04-2005, 03:37 PM
Peace,


I think there is strong resemblance between the accounts on alliens and what Quran tells us of the "Jinns".

I have lately read an article that proved my doubts,

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/possession_alien_abduction.htm


For one, the way the leaders talk (in the accounts of their victims) about their extraterrestial origins, rings a bell of supremacy and racism, which is a confirmed trait of Satan and his descendants (the Jinns) in Quran. Which means that those leaders are completely controlled by their Jinn-companions (Jinn-devils).

Satan said to God:

[38:76] He said, "I am better than he; You created me from fire, and created him from clay."


The Jinns are indeed alliens, they are invisible, made of smokless fire, however sometimes they may become visible by posessing something, as per the following verse:

The staff of Moses turned into a serpent, that he thought was a Jinn,

[27:10] "Throw down your staff." When he saw it moving like a demon, he turned around and fled. "O Moses, do not be afraid. My messengers shall not fear.


However they don't scare me a bit. Whether they are invisible or visible, they have no power.


The Jinns also in their original state (unbound by a human body they posess) can freely roam around this universe.

I think the satanist leaders have found a way to contact these evil entities directly and perform the kind of evil experiments they do. They are only bringing themselves trouble and problems.


One righteous Jinn said:

[72:6] " `Human beings used to seek power through jinn beings, but they only afflicted them with a lot of adversity.





Ahmad Nishitoba

ephesians6
01-04-2005, 07:40 PM
Ahmad, your Koran was inspired by Satan. Only Satan would inspire a book that instructs men to murder non-Muslims.

'Allahu Akbar,' means Allah is greater.

Greater than who?

Satan proclaimed to be "greater than God."

I've looked at your website and I believe that you are definately mentally ill/and or possessed.

Mohammed was also possessed.

BTW, what sect of Islam do you belong to?

Ahmad
01-05-2005, 08:35 AM
God is,

Greater than any powerless creature, being it Jesus, Muhammad, Satan, me or you.


Ahmad Nishitoba

thokhanCep
05-11-2005, 11:47 PM
I had a dream once when I was younger that I was being choked by this dark shadowy figure. I couldn't breathe I couldn't scream.

Woah Madkhao ... if you still visit here .. long time no chit chat ... i read that and the hair on my neck stood right up!!!


With in the last month I had two shadowy figure sights .. the 1st was on my way home from a friends house and i noticed a head and torso shaped thing in my rear view mirrior ... I really thought it was an eye illusion.

The next day how ever I was falling asleep around 4 30am and I had this feeling that someone was on the bed ... Not sure if it was a dream or not ... but I was looking over and the same figure was there ... I guess it didn't like me noticing its presence and .. it felt like my head was being pushed to the side .. I was awake in a second ... looked over to see nothing ... and told it to "Fuck Off" .. made me feel good

I dunno ... that was pretty damn strange though

have you had any other sightings?

truebeliever
05-12-2005, 01:20 AM
""I told it to fuck off"".

Well there goes the thriving Vatican 'exorcism trade'! Where's your license?
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I've had many of these. Thankfully they seemed to go away into my thirties after I'd had 10 years of looking at myself.

I also suspect MSG...seriously. Not as the main cause but definately a trigger.

The unconscious is powerful and I've usually found if I have been neglecting my 'inner life' the unconscious seems to manifest.

Try writing down and understanding a dream if they dont go away.

When I was 19 and miserable and in a job I hated far from home, I awoke in the middle of the night with a bright white young girl standing over me. She was about to touch my forhead but drew her hand up to her cheek in shock that I had woken up.

She was as real as anything for a couple of seconds.

A Hindu woman at my work told me in Hindu thought I was marked for death but awoke just in time? Hmmmm...hope not, i'm just starting to enjoy life.

Does anyone know about these things?

Also, in Astrology...yes, yes I know it's considered occult (i only do birth charts NOT predict the future)...if you have a strong Moon--->Pluto connection you will often have nightmares.