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Ahmad
02-15-2005, 07:20 AM
Peace,

The main theme on the conspiracy websites is "the illuminati" are behind everything!
Yet this "illuminati" was never identified!
Who is behind the confusion? and why?
Some say they are the Rothchilds, some say they are the Jews, some say they are the Freemasons, or the neocons!
If this is true, why are they fighting teach other? why the devision?

What are we following?, nothing but conjecture and guesswork.

Rest assured that there is no such "united" front, and there shall never exist sucha unity among Satan's troops. Why? because Satan's ideology is based upon devide and rule, his main goal is the destruction of the human being. He developes bonds between his followers and false gods (mere mortals, power, status, money, women...etc) then naturally these attachments result in a conflict of interests.

Why Satan want to hide behind this "illuminati" propaganda? to distract us from the main issue, the main issue is that we individually have developed the same attachments like those potential suspects (aka: elite illuminati).

The Christians have a big idol, Jesus, the Sunni muslims also have an idol, Muhammad, the Shi'a muslims have another idol, Ali (Muhammad's cousin). As for the Jews, they have many, Rabbis, Isreal and their egoes.

this is not an attack on anyone, but rather a stating of facts. If all these religions have the same god, what are they fighting about? The messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa said it right, they are fighting because of the human factor. If there are no idols (false gods), if there were no false attachments (obsessions, addictions, phobias and hates) there would be no reason to fight.

So as you can see Satan thrives on this devision. Introducing this invincible elite propaganda will further distract us, we human beings from the fundamental issue, that we have disregarded God en masse in favor of human and material idols.

Don't believe me! ask yourself "what occupies your mind most of the time" and believe it or not, whatever it is (e.g:Jesus, illuminati, saints, women) It is your god.

[10:18] They worship beside GOD idols that possess no power to harm them or benefit them, and they say, "These are our intercessors at GOD!" Say, "Are you informing GOD of something He does not know in the heavens or the earth?" Be He glorified. He is the Most High; far above needing partners.

get_real
02-15-2005, 07:48 AM
Hello Ahmad. Just want to say, that I've read your posts througout the differenct topics, and really I can't help to ask the obvious, but... So, in other words you are sold on the idea that this satan is to blame for everything? Correct? Sorry, but I'm really having a difficult time accepting the existence of this satan creature/man/god or what have you. We have free will. Man has greed, lust, etc. Man is just working it to the max. I'm sorry, but I get tired of the satan thing. You give him/it/whatever too much attention, and credit. It seems to me you give this 'satan' life.

Ahmad
02-15-2005, 08:44 AM
Peace,

Saying that Satan is the real enemy, doesn't mean believing that he has power.

The main message of God throughout history was just that: " Satan has no power, only God has power".

You feed Satan when you buy his propaganda, a big industry that given this momentum will take over from mainstream media!, Alex Jones alone is said to have more than 2 millions of audience!

You feed Satan when you believe that he has a power to benefit you (thus buy his false promises of gratification) or harm you (thus become handicapped with fear).

The march to Victory and freedom begins here and now, no need to wait for a human savior to save you!. Look for your addictions, phobias and destroy them and return back to God, none except He can give us what we need.

Someone said that, the greatest trick of Satan is convincing us that he doesn't exist.

rangergord
02-15-2005, 11:19 AM
The main theme on the conspiracy websites is "the illuminati" are behind everything!
Yet this "illuminati" was never identified!
Who is behind the confusion? and why?
Some say they are the Rothchilds, some say they are the Jews, some say they are the Freemasons, or the neocons!
If this is true, why are they fighting teach other? why the devision?

What are we following?, nothing but conjecture and guesswork.

Division is a diversion

and

much of what passes as "scholarship" on the net is bunk.

get_real
02-15-2005, 03:03 PM
hell-o, why do we say hell-o

this
02-15-2005, 11:38 PM
'Hello' is probably a derivation of the German word 'heil' from 'zig heil' or 'hail' as in hailing a cab. The o suffix is probably a Britishism as in Cheeri-o! All speculation on my part.

Back on topic, I've always thought that an obsession with identifying numerology, for example, in all matters masonic, is sort of giving their deeds more life. Certain things are unavoidable to notice like WWI ending on Nov 11 at 11 am etc. but when people start getting into multiplying and dividing that seems counter productive.

I've always felt it was better to not label who was doing the damage, but what they were doing.

zanyzan311
02-16-2005, 01:13 AM
As for the hello stuff, it does come from german but not what the previous poster clamed. The german greeting Hallo- sounds like hollow with the accent on the the 2nd syllable goes back to 5th or 6th century. It comes from the mixed greeting of roman soldiers trading with the germanic peoples. So its half german- half roman. i cant remember the root words but thats the jist of it

Ozziecynic
02-16-2005, 05:58 AM
Ahmad:
:-? Why Dont you ask the man himself Mr Makow this one!
As for me!. It is my belief that too much pride in Ego is the factor that gives humanity its dark side! To discipline this tendencey is the role of must monotheist religions is it not!

The problem is that too many of us would all like to be our own Gods its as simple as that, rather than submit to the almighty!.Ahmad although you follow an interesting cult which i am not sure agree with 100%.I think you sincerely already have the answers more than many others here your a good man at heart i am sure!

I am no angel however I only explode when others insult me. A few have done this but they got back as much as they dished out!.

It is very easy to be Egocentric in western society for obvious reasons it pushs us to compete at the expense of social cohesion and respect for others as human beings.
Yes here I go again me the socialist.But you individualists should know my approach by now!.

The modest in my view who are most God like and get called weak and lazy.
They are targets for being tarred and feathered. There are no prizes for for being modest and without pride in western society is there!.The law of the Jungle applies we are the beasts!.Therefore we are encouraged to be beast like rather than civil 8-)

Ahmad
02-16-2005, 10:57 AM
Peace Ozziecynic,


I won't ask anybody because i know as you said the truth. The illuminati is Satan's propaganda to show us that they are united, when they are not.

In the scriptures,unity is an attribute of the sincere, meek or oppressed modest people as you call them. The egoistic creatures can not be united because of the different false gods they follow (mainly their egoes). If we all submit to the Almighty, He being the Most Merciful will forgive us and relief this blanket of misery from the face of the earth.

And you know what, it is us who follow our egos knowingly instead of the truth.

P.S: Forgive if you want to be forgiven, an equal revenge is jsutified though.


[45:23] Have you noted the one whose god is his ego? Consequently, GOD sends him astray, despite his knowledge, seals his hearing and his mind, and places a veil on his eyes. Who then can guide him, after such a decision by GOD? Would you not take heed?

ephesians6
02-16-2005, 06:26 PM
"Forgive if you want to be forgiven, an equal revenge is jsutified though," Ahmad says.

Here's a key point to notice about Ahmad's false religion.

"Revenge is justified," he says. This is totally opposed to Biblical teachings but to Arabs/Muslims this is central to their core thinking.

Getting even is a way of life with people who reject Biblical truth. They live by the law of the jungle, the law of the violent sword and this is reflected in virtually every Muslim nation on earth even down to including swords on their insignia.

"The Lord hates a crafty man."

Jesus said to "pray for your enemies"---NOT to take "revenge" upon them for this is how all evil men act and think. (Trust me, I know all about getting revenge on my enemies and it is satanic and evil to think this way.)

"Vengeance is mine," sayeth the Lord. When a man decides to 'get even' or to 'take revenge' on others he is violating God's word and walking into the domain of demons.

Jesus wants us to pray for our enemies so that they can be saved because they are lost and close to perishing.

Trust me, if you have enemies and you pray for them to find the Lord and find peace--you are pleasing the Lord.

And should your enemy reject the Lord and come after YOU--He will be setting himself against the Lord--and that's one battle he will lose.

"The Lord fights our battles for us" if only we will let Him do so.

AISB_Watch
02-16-2005, 08:32 PM
ephesians6 wrote:
"Revenge is justified," he says. This is totally opposed to Biblical teachings but to Arabs/Muslims this is central to their core thinking.

Getting even is a way of life with people who reject Biblical truth. They live by the law of the jungle, the law of the violent sword and this is reflected in virtually every Muslim nation on earth even down to including swords on their insignia.


That explains reports such as this:

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Muslim Websites Still Targeting Christians (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/067782.php)

A week ago we reported (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/066591.php) on an internet site that was tracking Christians who were bold enough to say things that Muslims believe is blasphemy. It seems that this thing is a bit more common than we had originally thought. Another site (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/barsoom.coolfreepage.com/copts/makamat1.html) is now doing the same thing. From Internet Hagganah (http://internet-haganah.co.il/harchives/003673.html) commenting on a page that lists targets:

...each paragraph starts with the target's chatroom nickname, followed by whatever personal information has been gathered about the target, e.g.

- one is a Taxi driver who used to live in Egypt but he left the country

- another is believed to be a dentist, likes to argue with Hamas sympathizers

- one lives in America and he is "worse than the Americans themselves..."

- two others are "Christians from Syria"

Daveed Gartenstein-Ross comments (http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/02/barsomyat_revis.html) on why this is so frightening:

Another page on Barsoom features rulings on those who curse God's prophet....For example, the page of religious rulings states that "the one who curses God deserves death." Another ruling states, "The one who curses God, his Prophet and [the Prophet's] companions or successors has denied the Qur'an and should be killed. Also anyone who defames Aisha, the Mother of the Believers. And they should have their heads cut off."

In light of the mass murder of a Coptic Christian family (http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/063624.php) in New Jersey, web threats which target individuals need to be looked into by law enforcement agencies. Hossam Armanious, his wife, and his two daughters, age 16 and 8, were found brutally murdered in their home on Jan. 14th. Mr. Armanious was an Egyptian Christian who spent his spare time at the PalTalk (http://www.paltalk.com/PalTalkSite/) website speaking out against Muslim persecuation of Christian Copts in Egypt. He had been singled out and threatened online for his criticism.

In the last several days the family and their representatives have spoken out. The NY Sun (http://www.nysun.com/article/9303) (via Robert Spencer (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005068.php)) reports today that the families believe the most probable method and motive for the slayings is a ritual murder for religious reasons. And yesterday a spokesperon for Christian Solidarity International (http://www.csi-int.org/) issued the following statement (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/005067.php) on the Armanious family murder:

From the perspective of ethnic and religious minorities who have fled religious persecution and violence by Jihadists in their native countries, this case is unnerving. Many non-Muslim immigrants have told me that they believed that when they fled to the United States from these pressures, they would be safe. This case has made them feel vulnerable. More than any other group, the Coptic community hopes that their fears are proven wrong, and that this was not religiously motivated or an act of micro-terrorism by extremists.

To show my solidarity with those who are being hunted down by good Muslims bent on following Allah's will by killing those that blaspheme Allah, Muhammed, or Aisha I offer the following statement.

There is no god named Allah and Muhammed is not a prophet. In fact, Muhammed was a child-molesting mass murder. Aisha? Nothing more than the victim of pedophelia with a bit of Stockholm syndrome.

Issue a fatwa against me. I dare you.

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Ahmad
02-17-2005, 06:23 AM
Peace,


For the newcomers i understand your confusion about me, i said before that i don't follow the religion of the so called "muslims" because it has been corrupted beyond repair.

Targetting innocent people because of (difference of opinion) is indeed a fact, if i said my religious opinions in a muslim country, most assuredly i will be killed or at least persecuted.

A good example is the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa (Malachi 3:1-3) who was commissioned by God to purify the religion of Abraham from corruption and restore it to its original pristine form, he was muredered in 1990 (Tucson, Arizona) by some corrupt Muslims who because of their inability to debate the message did this evil.

Anyway, what i want to say is that maybe i used a wrong word (revenge). The religion of Abraham was sent on stages, one of the stages (Moses) called for euitable punishment (eye for an eye), then Jesus was sent with a message to balance this law (forgive your enemies). Finally Muhammad gave us the final complete law from God which is summarized here,

[42:40] Although the just requital for an injustice is an equivalent retribution, those who pardon and maintain righteousness are rewarded by GOD. He does not love the unjust.

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The Law of Equivalence

[5:45] And we decreed for them in it that: the life for the life, the eye for the eye, the nose for the nose, the ear for the ear, the tooth for the tooth, and an equivalent injury for any injury. If one forfeits what is due to him as a charity, it will atone for his sins. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the unjust.




For a more detailed analysis of the "just requital" issue, please read the first part of my article here:

http://www.usn2161.net/quran.html

ephesians6
02-19-2005, 01:29 AM
AISB you might want to save this link and start using it:
http://www.dhs.gov/dhspublic/contactus

If you suspect that Muslims on forums are a little too close to spouting jihadtalk, or if you've been threatened by any of them fire off an email to HS.

My sources tell me that HS is quietly arresting scores of Muslims for death threats they've made on forums and for other jihad talk. Some of these jokers who are here illegally are being flown to Gitmo where they simply 'vanish' from view. (Who needs to waste taxmonies on trials for these people?)

The talk is that with certain precautions a jihadist can hide behind rerouters to block his actual address, but this is disinformation. If you're on the net making threats, you can and will be found.

And by all means, take precautions to protect yourself. Home security systems, a big barking Doberman or GermanShepard, (black preferably cause Muslims are afraid/superstitious of black dogs), and a large caliber handgun or shotgun with ammo smeared with pig grease.

Ozziecynic
02-19-2005, 09:39 AM
:-o Nice job of trying to inspire hatred suspicion ephesians.What do you want a patriot of the week medal from George himself!.Not very christian i might add either what goes on over their in camp x ray as two Aussies will testify!.

And no I am not afraid of your governmet and its intelligence tentacles they can go to hell!.
In Australia we are less with the U.S than our Puppet howard would have you believe!.
There are more none anglo immigrants in Australia these days than anglo aussies and they not very patriotic or pro U.S either. The concept of a fifth column comes to mind!. Some things to think about when your forces come to occupy us. :-?

AISB_Watch
02-19-2005, 03:27 PM
I have to agree with Ozziecynic. I would never snitch on anyone, not for a measily threat to myself in some forum - especially not so the stormtroopers can come and disappear them into the gulag. If I came across a terrorist plot of some sort, I would be inclined to alert someone though.

I have no fear of any muslims. Partly because I haven't warranted their attention and partly because in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada they would stick out like a sore thumb. I can count the number of Arabs here on the fingers of one hand.

Actually I have received death threats before, because of the writings on my site. These have come from Alice Bailey cult devotees and Freemasons. The masons have it in for me, they've even included me on their official anti-mason list. Any radical "brother" who might want to prove something to his brethren can easily get my address and number. In each case I tell them to give it their best shot (pun intended), cause me and Winchester would like nothing better :-x

Jimbo
02-24-2005, 02:34 PM
Divisions Among The Illuminati ? - :-o :-o :-o

Sort of like, the "Good Cop, Bad Cop" syndrome. Two sides of the same coin.

Also, amongst those ranks, there is a lot of competition. Not necessarily the kind we might understand, such as a “healthy competition”, if there such a thing, but the worst kind, the kind that has no scruples. The one that gets you to the top, whether you deserve it or not, the one that lies, & cheats, & kills if it has to, that kind of competition. So, yeah, we should expect to see a “hell” of a lot more of that amongst them.
8-)

55132
02-24-2005, 05:24 PM
AISB_Watch wrote:
I have to agree with Ozziecynic. I would never snitch on anyone, not for a measily threat to myself in some forum - especially not so the stormtroopers can come and disappear them into the gulag. If I came across a terrorist plot of some sort, I would be inclined to alert someone though.

I have no fear of any muslims. Partly because I haven't warranted their attention and partly because in Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada they would stick out like a sore thumb. I can count the number of Arabs here on the fingers of one hand.

Actually I have received death threats before, because of the writings on my site. These have come from Alice Bailey cult devotees and Freemasons. The masons have it in for me, they've even included me on their official anti-mason list. Any radical "brother" who might want to prove something to his brethren can easily get my address and number. In each case I tell them to give it their best shot (pun intended), cause me and Winchester would like nothing better :-x

To bring things in perspective no other religion has a book that clearly states the killing of non belivers by practitioners as way to achieve heaven as the muslim have. the belife by some that these are expurious satanic versus does not change the fact that many millions of muslims belive in them and are ready to die for the cause. so even though i might feel sorry or constrained we must keep a watch on their activity and report any thing.

when you have another culture moving into ours specialy a non western and highly antagonisc who wants to make our country too resemble theirs we must be more than atentive.

you guessed it i am no multiculturalist

55132

truebeliever
02-24-2005, 08:48 PM
Funny, but I believe the topic was division in the Illuminati?

Nice job ephiseans 6! And some people e-mail and say 'I' work for the government!

Of course any tensions we now have between religious belief and other cultures is all the doing of said Illuminati and their social engineering academic twits.

We must respect ALL cultures and religions and preferably live seperately in our own enclaves visiting for a taste of the exotic on holidays.

Time to post and run again. Have to dig the bunker deeper :-D

The supposed division amongst the Illuminati or Elite masters or OWNERS of the planet is merely a diversion.

There may indeed be some middle manager dummy spitting that is all, over method.

The train rolls on.

I understand where you're coming from Ahmed. I agree on alot of what you say. The devil has his role to play and so do we.

The main focus should ALWAYS be on the O-W-N-E-R-S of the planet. Their one common enemy is the peasant who read somewhere that he/she was made in the image of God and had equal rights to live and love on the planet.

We can spend all day on other tit bits like how many gold windows in that new pyramid in Texas they built...it has a place, just dont get caught up in it.

In the end they are 'Luciferians'. They are worshippers of the 'bringer of light'. They are rationalists/managers, The Elite.

Many are homosexual, paedophile and heavy legal and illegal drug users.

Some are family men and very decent.

Just like decent men like Albert Speer, the armamnents minister during Hitlers reign, many of us will make pacts with the Devil and not even know it.

Sometimes the Devil comes to us in the most subtle ways but results in the most catastrophic results.

Getting caught up in the emotional images and religious fervour of the day will not help.

The devil in the end is always right in front of you in the mirror every morning.

Thankfully, you or I do not have access to the powers of the omniscent state to actualise our own destructive side, which always follows a human who believes God is dead and now apply's for the position.

w102pdc
02-24-2005, 10:23 PM
The mistake made by many researchers is not their recognition of some conspiratorial design intrinsic to the unfolding of history, but their attempts to explain the complexities of that design with simplistic unifying theories. Typically, such unifying theories presuppose the existence of a “master plan.” Although there are common conspiratorial objectives and discernible continuities of thought, such a “master plan” does not exist. It is a fiction, justifiably satirized by characters like Imperious Leader of Rocky and Bulwinkle fame.

Daniel Pouzzner accurately characterizes them as “a network of affiliations and alliances, some strong and some weak, some advertised and some secret.” While there is no “master plan,” there is a master objective. All of these groups share “a common goal of world rule by oligarchy.” However, their projects in establishing an oligarchical world government exhibit “varying degrees of coordination, coherency, and internal contention.”

As a “conspiracy of humans,” the conspiracy is replete with all of the inherent weaknesses of humanity. The Illuminati still exists, but only as a unifying religious doctrine shared among the elites. Even this, however, is not entirely galvanized. Just as the common churches have denominations, so do the Illuminati. There are different varieties of illuminism, but all have the same philosophical ends.

Hope that clears some things up for you.

truebeliever
02-24-2005, 10:31 PM
Could'nt agree more w102pdc!

Well said.

Whatever...if it walks like an Elite conspiricy, talks like an Elite conspiricy, and looks like an Elite conspiricy then thats exactly what it is.

Best.

Ahmad
02-25-2005, 07:52 AM
Peace 55132,

"To bring things in perspective no other religion has a book that clearly states the killing of non belivers by practitioners as way to achieve heaven as the muslim have."


If you are talking about the real religion of "Submission" (Islam in Arabic), the creed of Abraham, then you are totally wrong, because the final testament, Quran has no such thing as killing the non believers.

But if you mean the current corrupt religion of "Islam" then you are right, they have substituted Quran with the satanic "Hadith" man made books which are the equivelant to the Talmoud.

Here is an example of a "Hadith" (literaly means a "Saying" falsely attributed to Muhammad and collected over 200 years after his death) feel free to read this short article,

http://www.usn2161.net/nickberg.html