View Full Version : why are people so hostile to white nationalists, or white separatists? Is it Pavlovian?
10-29-2005, 11:05 PM
I peruse another NWO board and the issue of white separatism was brought up, and the theme was that we can't let these 'evil and hateful' people have their way. The hyperbole really betrayed a sense of fear.
So what is it?
I mean if they find these people so disagreeable, why react so violently that they want to self-segregate, especially if it is mutually beneficial? Is this a statist worldview?
because as a libertarian I really could not care who seeks self determination. I say all the power to them, whether they be mormons, satanists, whites, blacks, etc.
10-30-2005, 07:16 AM
Spoken like a true lover of liberty, Thumper, and a very good question whose time has come to be answered. Sorta makes you wonder why no one has asked it before, doesn't it? Therein lies a big part of the answer.
Nobody questions the right or wrong of races wanting to live amongst their own, unless they're white, of course. Then it becomes a downright sin of major proportions and not to be tolerated. Ask anyone, it is about the only thing on which everybody can agree.
Visit any city and you will find it is divided into ethnic/racial enclaves; Chinatown, 'hoods, Little Mexico, Little Havana, the jews own most of the businesses in the rest of the town so they just carve out a nice neighborhood in which to live with restrictions in place. Now, ask yourself, when was the last time white people tried to break into and thereby break up this racial hegemony? Doesn't happen. Live and let live.
Yet that courtesy is NEVER extended to whites wishing to live amongst their own kind. The government subsidizes "block busters" to go in and buy houses in all white neighborhoods, checking for evidence of racism . Woe unto the white family that doesn't want loud music and cars coming and going all night long and druggies hanging out in their neighborhood, not to mention the shitty disposably baby diapers that are thrown from the windows of moving vehicles onto your front lawn so they don't have to deal with it when they get home two doors down. Same goes for beer cans, bottles, cups and wrappers from McDonald's, Taco Bell, etc.
Don't tell me I'm wrong, I lived it. My house was in a once clean, quiet, predominantly white formerly Italian neighborhood inside the 610 Loop in Houston, Texas, and I watched helplessly along with the other homeowners as new streets were cut through the neighborhood, over our protests, for easier access to transient apartments and the big and boistrous Fiesta food store which played mariachi music all day and most of the night through loud speakers placed around the outside perimeter of the huge store.
First one house, then two, then ten were bought (read given) to minorities in the city's "scattered housing" program. Only white neighborhoods were chosen for this purpose and only minorities got the houses. It was a "lottery" and only minorities could play. I had to replace all the glass in the front of my house with 1/2" plexiglass to protect my children from drive-by shootings which happened on a regular basis.
Nothing movable could be left outside because it would not be there the next morning; children's toys, hanging baskets, statuary, all gone; Christmas decorations - forget it.
Please don't insult my intelligence by saying that poverty caused this. The most grinding poverty this country has ever known was the Great Depression and it didn't turn people into thieves and murderers. Within less than one (1) year the neighborhood looked like a third world country.
Those who are willing to move out of cities in order to separate from what they consider undesirable conditions are persecuted and called white separatists. How did that get to be a dirty name? What the hell is wrong with wanting to get away from all the crime and noise of cities or even towns? Nothing, unless you're white.
Take Randy Weaver as a for instance. He bought land, built a small house and moved his family to Ruby Ridge. Didn't bother anyone, made a little bit of money repairing guns and modifying shotguns to within 1/4 inch over the legal length for the barrel. His wife, Vicki, home-schooled their children.
The government trumped up charges against him and sent in their snipers and shock and awe troops, killing his 14 year old son, his wife (blew her head off while standing in the front doorway holding their infant daughter), killed the family pet, and wounded a friend of the Weavers' who happened to be there the day of the "raid." Randy's biggest crime was that he was a white separatist and didn't like government. He had committed NO crime.
The same sniper who killed Vicki Weaver was at Waco shooting the people who were trying to run out of the burning buildings with their clothes and hair on fire. He proved his worth at Ruby Ridge. I would hope that I don't need to recount the fiasco at the Branch Davidian Church at Waco. Another group of predominantly white people who wanted to worship in their own way and live separately from everyone else. Most of them worked in Waco but wanted to come home to peace and quiet.
That should have been the wake up call for the nation but because a pudgy faced FBI liar went before the cameras and lied through his teeth every day of the "siege," the nation's reply was, "Go on in there and bring them out and end this BS. I can't watch my soaps with this stuff on every day." With each day that passed, this was the consensus the country was being herded toward. Lies about child abuse, lies about illegal weapons, lies, lies, and more lies.
When the FBI, BATF, foreign nationals(British Harrier Jets), Texas Rangers, Sheriff, National Guard and God only knows who else were told the time was right, they stood by and watched the Feds as they pulled off a massive assault using tanks, incendiary devices pushed through the sides of the buildings, against virtually unarmed and innocent men, women and children, setting fire to the wooden structure, slaughtering the vast majority of them and jailing the survivors. No crime had been committed as was later proven but it didn't keep them from going to jail.
Evidence was forged, some of it was stolen - it was another f__k up of major proportions. Their crime was Worshiping While White and wanting to live apart.
Have you forgotten the church day care centers that were chained and padlocked, supposedly because they were "illegal" by virtue of not meeting State mandated guidelines? Uh Uh. They were an attempt on the part of church members to keep their children out of harm's way in crime-ridden integrated schools so they could get an education without paying for it with their lives. Learning while white is a crime, too.
You see, the problem is, when you are deceived you DON'T KNOW that you are deceived. Sometimes you find out later, but the harm has already been done while you stood by with your thumb up your rear. Look at Bush's former supporters; it only took them a little over two years and 2,000+ dead Americans to find out they had been deceived. Wonder how much difference that makes to the dead, wounded, scared for life physically and mentally individuals who paid for that deception and the numbers are still rising.
We white Americans, individually and collectively, are the most brainwashed people on the face of the earth, with Western Europeans coming in a close second. Should we be made to feel guilty and have to pay for situations that existed 50-100 or more years ago? How many of you owned slaves? How about your mothers and fathers? Grandparents? How many of you helped enslave and eradicate the American Indians? Come on, 'fess up! How many of you got up this morning and said, "I can't wait to discriminate against the first person of color that I encounter"? Here's the biggest question of all because it involves the biggest sin of all - how many of you were concentration camp guards? Hmmmmm? Served in the Third Reich? Bought soap made from cc inmates? Have souvenir lamp shades made from human skin? BTW, these claims on the part of concentration camps "witnesses" have been successfully proven to be lies but way too many years after Nuremberg to make a difference.
See, that's where the brainwashing comes in. We have been told repeatedly that the white man (especially) is bad, no redeeming qualities. He is the cause of all that is wrong with the world. He should be made to pay for all that wrong, whether he personally committed any part of it or not.
Apply this bullshit line of reasoning on any other race and see what you get for your efforts.
Now, how can you tell when someone is brainwashed? Be observant and watch people who act against their own best interests and see how they are praised as the other brainwashed bobble heads around them nod their approval. Watch the talking heads on your government approved TV stations. They are well-versed in the art of manipulation of the masses. "If it bleeds, it leads" is fine but when the criminal, IF S/HE IS CAUGHT and shown, will never have their race mentioned, unless s/he is white. Watch the facial expressions and body language as the lines are read and really listen to the ad-libing. This has been played out in front of your eyes and on top of your head for so long that it only registers subconsciously; more brainwashing.
Remember the blond haired, blue eyed news reader who watched the riots in Ohio start? She kept asking, "Where are the police? Why don't they stop them? Why aren't they doing something?" as gangs of blacks looted and burned white businesses and houses. The police stood by and let it go on for some time before stepping in and making a few arrests. The station took a hasty commercial break and when they came back she was gone, replaced by Mr. Suave and Debonair who assured everyone there was no reason for concern, it came about as a result of racist Neo Nazis who were demanding more police protection in the neighborhood. Horrors!!!
END OF STORY. Only slight mention of the "incident" appeared on the regular news and only the white men who were removed from the scene almost an hour before the looting and burning started were shown and castigated for causing all the problems.
Forget multiculturalism, we are very quickly being overrun by minorities from all over the third world. It is an invasion just as surely as if it were done by a foreign military. As I have said before, it is not about racism, it is about finite space and finite resources. We have a right to exist in our own country, free from fear and intimidation. As more and more states go minority majority the first thing they mandate is that "whitey" leave. If you are still in denial, plan your next vacation in beautiful downtown Los Angeles, San Diego, San Antonio, Brownsville, Corpus Christi or that heaven on earth, Laredo. IF you make it back, then we can talk.
Look into the trusting eyes of your children and then tell me how important it is to be politically correct to a point where you have given away their birthright and bequeathed them a virtual hell on earth that they will not likely survive. Their chances would be better in Calcutta.
These same minorities will be the ones taking to the streets, looting, burning and killing while you wonder where the police are and why they have suddenly disappeared the way they did when the poop hit the fan in New Orleans and Toledo. Too many were talked out of their right to keep a firearm for protection and most gave them up readily. After all, they are dangerous and the police will protect us. It is the politically correct thing to do.
There are well over two million gang members operating in this country right now, from El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, China, Russia - they walk through our porous "borders" with drugs, automatic weapons and possibly satchel nukes for all we know. If Americans form organizations like the Minute Men to try and slow down the flow, they are called racists and worse. Their property is confiscated and given to these illegal alien law breakers. Only in America, folks.
Yes, Thumper, the PTB do fear the white race. They are so afraid that the white man, dumbed down, brainwashed and deceived though he may now be, will wake up one morning and the scales will fall from his eyes allowing him to see what is being done to him and his race. IF that happens, the NWO can kiss it's arse good bye. They are a bunch of intellectual bigots, plotters and planers who need a compliant populace for their plans to come to fruition. There's a hell of a lot more of "us" than there are of "them."
That's it for now. There's a lot more but if you haven't "seen the light" by now, then you will surely feel the heat later on - unless you can afford to catch the next flight out to New Zealand or Australia. I hear they are going to be fairly safe if you have enough money for one of their new gated communities or can hire your own private security guards.
Oooops, I forgot. They aren't taking in any white people. Jews are going there, you say? Just as they can hold dual citizenship, they can also - when it serves their purposes - claim minority status also. Remember Barbra Streisand saying at Clinton's first inauguration ball, "Finally, we PEOPLE OF COLOR have our own President." Surprise!!
10-30-2005, 09:26 AM
Thumper, of course it is Pavlovian and as long anyone realizes and are AWARE of that, they'll be fine and immune to its effect.
Unlike Barbara here, who is brainwashed because she still watches too much television and is a perfect example of the collective emotions and responses designed to be experienced by the white (wo)man at this time.
Don't be so nervous about other people when you got a gun in your hand Barbara, you'll kill innocent people that way.
10-30-2005, 09:37 AM
So let me get this strait... excuse my ignorance, I’m terrible with sociology. If you are 'liberal', does that mean that you believe that everyone deserves his or her own opinion, no matter how heinous it is?
10-30-2005, 12:31 PM
multi-kult doesn't just affect whites. It reminds me of what Dr. Stan Monteith said about how the British and now the Americans intentionally force the Shiites and Kurds to live together in 'multi-cultural' democracy, instead of giving them their own countries, always playing one group off another, always forcing hostile groups to live together, justifying the police state.
The whole thing is just dialectics.
I don't know why the other 'patriot' groups can't figure out that self-determination is good for everyone, and using the 'logic' that the very nature of independance means you want to destroy every thing else is pure One World propaganda.
Look at how ape shit this lady gets:
it's beyond obvious that what "white separatists" would have to do to succeed, by their definition, is to take a piece of the earth by force...because it is beyond obvious that if there were ANY place on the planet where ANY sizable group of people wanted these pee-brains amongst them, then they'd already HAVE their little nazi heaven behind walls. how fucking long have these adult infants been muling and whining for their sick dream?
just how utterly stupid and suicidal is it anyway, to invite and entice the hatred of the skin color you wear on earth, when your numbers are declining and those other skin colors are increasing? oh, wait...you must, deep down inside, be truly convinced that the pigment in their skins makes them wiser and kinder... more advanced in both intellect and compassion than "whitey" has been, and thus they will, when they're at the helm someday soon, accord you respect and recognize your equal rights and celebrate diversity, even though you despised it.
wish i could share your belief in their extraordinary supremacy, but damn if i don't suspect they're no better than me.
no man is an island. no community is, either, bub. you want to go live unbothered by the rest of the world with all its horrid rainbow of colors? fine.
just be sure you leave behind every good thing you currently enjoy that's ever been done by anyone except a white racist. list us their accomplishments and then off with you to your heavenly exile, but you will not be allowed to take any of the benefits that have been created by societies of brown, black, red, or yellow peoples.
it's back to the caves for you, monkeyman, eep eep oop oop.
unless you can kill the rest of us, including most "whites". how many guns you got?
by all means keep talking. personally, i think stupidity ought to be studied, not ignored. do hold forth and let us see your fatal philosophy in all its glory be. :-P :-P :-P
10-30-2005, 08:20 PM
10-30-2005, 08:56 PM
Unlike Barbara here, who is brainwashed because she still watches too much television and is a perfect example of the collective emotions and responses designed to be experienced by the white (wo)man at this time.
What sort of a bullshit smart arse reply was that?
The woman is simply stating the PERFECTLY normal reaction to having your community over run by filth.
Just what P.C form would you like the reaction to take place in?
You Canadians sure like to bag the Yanks...it makes you feel better about your very cold and wet existence. If you dont like America then stop fighting with the Cubans for rights over Florida and stay home in Raincouver.
10-31-2005, 09:10 AM
What a load of Krap!
Take it as you will because "filth" - as beauty -is in the eye of the beholder.
Barbara is an obviously racist woman and how deluded she is, to say it's not about racism.
The both of you need to learn to see individuals and stop judging nations and races as a whole.
I speak for me alone and to barbara alone
I am not some representative of canada 'bagging' a yank and that comment makes it so obviously clear who is bagging who, you hypocrite
Barbara, you who are a "supposedly intellegent human being"
Who has supposedly awaken to the nwo
Think that the nwo can kiss its butt bye-bye when the white man decides to get carnal?
Your race plays a part in its manifestation just like your black and brown predecessors.
How awful to be in the same boat!
To everyone else on this site, this very matter,
This ignorant mindset is what precedes martial law.
10-31-2005, 10:51 AM
The NWO champions multiculturalism, inter faithism and homosexuality because they undermine the hitherto dominant European Christian heterosexual majority. This is necessary to create a world where no group is able to challenge the power of the wealthy Illuminati families.
Jews, homosexuals, feminists and ethnic minorities enjoy an official monopoly on persecution because these unwitting groups are being used to undermine society and bring about their tyranny.
What better way to persecute the majority than do it covertly, and deny that it is even taking place?
Let the majority think they are the oppressors. And if they realize the truth, they will be afraid to mention it for fear of appearing "intolerant."
10-31-2005, 11:37 AM
You guys all need a group hug (not too long, Thumper).
If C. S. Lewis were alive today he would turn over in his grave!
10-31-2005, 12:13 PM
The fear of white nationalists is only based on the history of whites. The history of whites is based on the destruction of all the other races. So it was never based on preservation. It was based on annihilation of anything nonwhite. The reason why whites are open to living with nonwhites now is only because, whites would simply be wiped out if they continued their history. So they give nonwhites an honorary white status, so they can live in peace. When a white zealot comes forth to state their concerns for race preservation. The wise whites attack them because they risk the destruction of the kingdom. You see only ignorant whites pick up the banner of white nationalism. The wise whites see that they are already in control and separate from the other races. Sure, there will be some whites to intermarry and be victims of nonwhites, but the wise whites feel that this is a small price to pay for their kingdom. They fear that the ignorant whites with talk of white nationalism would wake up the other races, especially the blacks who are in a deep sleep. So that is why there is hostility.
10-31-2005, 12:35 PM
Well, I think that ethnocentrism is just fine and dandy.
The supremacists are infected, however. It is just one strain of the HATE virus. Hatred is VERY infectious; it doesn't matter to the virus who you hate as long as you hate someone, maybe even yourself.
It's that simple.
10-31-2005, 01:06 PM
Since Madkhao leads me to believe that you are female, let me say first that you make me ashamed to share the same gender. You are a classic example of the brainwashed, deceived individual I discussed in my original post.
On the off chance that you are actually a "pissed off bull," let me say that you are a great disappointment as I find men to be much more intelligent than you appear to be, hence my preference for this forum which is predominantly male.
You seem unable to stay on point, even in discussing the content of my post. You prefer to generalize and write off first hand experience since it has not been yours. That is a strong indication of just plain ignorance, which I suspect is your major problem. Either that or a very strong bias of which I am unaware. Your knee jerk reaction reveals more than you know, none of it good, but it does go to illustrate the old axium that it is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
Yes, I am a separatist who happens to be white. I love and seek peace, quiet and harmony. To achieve this, I have often separated myself from some of my own race, should they prove to be detrimental to the above stated goals. Neither a joiner, organizer or agitator I grant to others that which I claim for myself which is the right to live the way I want with whom I please since I pay my own way.
For those like you who are rabidly liberal and love multiculturalism, I say have at it. You won't bother me in the least. Why do you have such a problem with those like me who don't give a fig about it and wish to avoid it? Control freaks like you want everyone to get in line behind them and since I strongly resist control I will never be in anyone's line, least of all yours.
If your attention span will allow for it, go back and check my original post; you will see that I neither attacked anyone's country of origin or any individual in particular. My first hand observations simply dealt with actions and outcome. If you have a problem with that, it is your problem, not mine. Well, more than enough about your posts.
As for the quote in Thumper's post, my first inclination was to just say "Bite me" but I have heard raving and ranting like hers so much that I am thoroughly fed up with it.
With no name attached to it but from the content, I have good reason to believe she is either jewish or a wannabe.
...unless you can kill the rest of us, INCLUDING most "whites".
Where is this idea that separatists want to kill off everybody or ANYBODY, for that matter coming from? The people I know who own guns, as I do, keep them for two reasons only, namely to protect themselves and their family members and secondly, their property. The framers of the Constitution thought the right to keep and bear arms so important that they put it in as the Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights.
If you think white people are racists and want to "kill off" those who aren't, let me suggest that you cast your jaundiced eye toward Israel. Now there is racism personified. They are doing a very good job of killing off their minority, both nationally and individually.
Strange how that seems to missed your attention.
As far as separating and taking only that which white "racists" have made possible, that would include just about everything except "rap" music and ghettos. Believe me, we will be most happy to leave those with you. Enjoy. Hope you like your music acappella because electricity was (re)discovered by a white racist.
The UN will never carve out a country for white people, we don't need them to do that. We provided our own and are now the targets for takeover through unlimited immigration. Perpetual war for perpetual peace will take care of killing off many of our people. Whatever the outcome of all this will be only time will tell.
One thing is for sure, without the white race you would not be living in a country where your bullshit would be tolerated.
Scratch the surface and you find a communist every time.
Oh, I see Akbar has had a thought on the subject. To you I say, if the whites and their hatred and destructive ways are so feared, how do you explain the millions each year that leave their home paradises to get to formerly predominantly white countries? What a joke.
10-31-2005, 02:09 PM
I think all the hostility is indicative of how powerful the brainwashing has been.
no one would raise a stink if Tibetans started a separatist movement from China, and would even encourage their bid towards self-determination.
Again, this is all one world propaganda that independence leads to war, genocide, etc.
10-31-2005, 03:02 PM
Yes, there is a grande conspiracy to kill all the white people. For example, the military takes all the best and brightest and then sends them to their deaths in foreign lands for elitist profit.
10-31-2005, 03:40 PM
Oh, nohope187, I gently disagree about whites in the military because as you know our military is an equal opportunity killer.
Besides, a lot of the recruitment is targeted at urban youth who are offered the Army, etc., as a way to get a boost out of a lifetime of menial jobs, etc. "March your way to college!!"
And frankly I can't think of a better way to work your way into a free education. All you have to do is stay alive.
10-31-2005, 04:07 PM
Yes, there is a grande conspiracy to kill all the white people. For example, the military takes all the best and brightest and then sends them to their deaths in foreign lands for elitist profit.I'm not so sure about killing ALL OF THEM.
I think the illuminati uses whites as sort of an administrative body, kind of like how they used the British to build their empire. I believe some of the top illuminists are Aryan, but like the Zionists, have no problem with sacrificing their own and keeping them in bondage.
10-31-2005, 06:14 PM
Barbara I could not care less if you wanted to separate yourself to seek your peace, quiet and harmony.
Funny to achieve this, you have to rave and rant about multiculturalism and prepare for war.
Control freaks like you seek to remove what you hate from yourself rather than yourself from what you hate.
It's so much easier to change the world than it is yourself isn't it?
I don't think white people are racist - I think you are
As far as separating, don't forget to take your racist insults and comments with you. I do love nature and my music acappella.
It's racist to think that it is the white race alone who have the solution, who can oppose the nwo, and it is racist when the only solution you can think of is to separate your race.
Racism comes in all colors, so will the solution because so does the kingdom
There is not a grand conspiracy to kill white people, there is a conspiracy to kill the common people and that includes black, brown and white
Why can't you see that?
One thing is for sure, without the white race you would not be living in a country where your bullshit would be tolerated
I could not agree more, neither would the millions of other immigrants you hate so why are you directing your hatred in the wrong direction?
Why do you hate period?
how do you explain the millions each year that leave their home paradises to get to formerly predominantly white countries? What a joke
What formerly predominantly white countries are you talking about? What a joke indeed.
Guess what - life is how each of us individually sees it, multicultural doesn't work for you, it does fine for me.
Probably because I see myself as part of the culture and not apart from it.
You are right Bouncer, it is about supremacy. Racism, nationalism, separitism it's all categorized under supremacy.
10-31-2005, 07:19 PM
supremacy is about domination.
I really don't get the feeling that Barbara wants to be some slavedriver, and keep the 'colored folk' under her boot. I think you guys are seriously reading eachother wrong. C'mon now :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
10-31-2005, 07:44 PM
WTF are you on about madkhao?
Are you reading the same posts as the rest of us?
You have mixed your dislike of the thuggish element of the professional haters with the simple observations of BARBARA and her defence of other peoples views.
Man, are you TYPICAL "left".
The biggest haters i have ever met are the lefties. "Rabid" is also a word i would use to describe them. They are also ALL in therapy or sucking on bongs or popping Prozac all day.
I have met a few honest to God old time fascists...i mean really hard core black shirts and i say this without a hint of exaggeration...the left leaves them for dead. It's just that the left consider themselves above all that "uncouth" stuff that makes them the most dangerous when the chickies come home to roost.
10-31-2005, 08:33 PM
This is relevant.
New World Order: Soloution Or Seduction? Am reposting this classic little lecture. made small enough so you can e-mail it. In 2 parts. I think it is easily the best lecture on the basics of the NWO and it's origins and is presented perfectly. Jeremy Lee is a brilliant speaker. He speaks mainly of Oz in the middle but the lecture is directly applicable to all people.
10-31-2005, 08:48 PM
well, it's undoubtedly high time the black people woke up....
there seems to be a common misconception that blacks are incapable of creating a prosperous economy and need the whites to make it happen for them. but nothing could be farther from the truth. in fact, blacks had a very prosperous economy and society in the state of oklahoma in the early 20th century, so much so that an area of greenwood, oklahoma came to be known as "black wall street", as it was powerful enough to rival the wall street of new york city.
and then came one of the worst holocausts perpetrated by the kkk. and what did the government of the "land of opportunity" do? looked the other way of course! and this is never taught in the history books either.
more details on the holocaust for those looking for more information....
the "land of opportunity" also enacted the "asiatic barred zone" that prevented orientals from immigrating to usa. initially asian indians were allowed to immigrate as they were scientifically classified as caucasian, but in course of time, the law was changed (thanks to the racist justice sutherland, who could not bear to see a darker-complexioned asian indian getting usa citizenship) in order that a person was not only required to be genetically caucasian, but also have a complexion that's light enough to be identified as caucasian by the "common man", in order to be eligible for immigration. so much so for the "land of equal opportunities"......
this continued for a very long time (as the racist self-righteousness was being fanned really well) until president kennedy annulled the above barbaric laws, and started giving a true meaning to the "land of opportunity". hence, the people of color ought to be grateful to president kennedy for opening the door for them.
now, this is not meant to persecute the whites of today's generation, and most whites of today are free from racial prejudices. but should there be a big surprise to see this backlash happening? i really don't think so! after all, what goes around comes around, as ordained by nature.
today nature has given the colored people an opportunity to regain their self-esteem and pride. they can accomplish this either by putting down the whites, or through a divine approach involving forgiveness, tolerance and self-introspection. and do the whites hold the responsibility of practicing forgiveness and lovingly persuading the colored people to follow the latter approach? i absolutely think so!
10-31-2005, 09:04 PM
The problem with current liberal dogma is not just 'white guilt' but the idea implanted in the heads of minorities that without full white acceptance (or 'non-discrimination'), they cannot be full members of a society, or even human beings. This paternalistic relationship should at first appear insulting to minorities, but the lefties have finaggled it to mean something 'empowering' when you can force other people to accept you.
The overt message is that whites control the resources, the subtext however, is that non-whites cannot prosper on their own.
It only creates feelings of low self-esteem, jealousy, hatred, etc. This is another class warfare technique.
We know that welfare was a tool used to destroy black society, and make it appear that they were eating out of the hand of whites. The same is true with affirmative action/forced integration. Self-esteem can only come through accomplishment and self-sustainance, and self-determination.
Liberals need the constant tension of class warfare to keep their jobs, so instead they tell minorities that they have full rights to a white society, and when they feel rebuffed, they are being 'oppressed'. Whites in turn feel resentful. Both sides are being played off eachother.
10-31-2005, 09:12 PM
But crowneagle does make a good point that Blacks can be prosperous when left alone. I'm sure someone can dig up the stats later, but just look at how things went down hill after forced integration and the welfare state. Before they had professional sports teams, doctors, dentists, their own universities, mayors, etc. compared to now where their 'leaders' can just lobby for more money and 'acceptance' from the white majority.
They've essentially taken the black man's fishing pole away, and gave him a bowl to beg with instead.
11-01-2005, 09:02 AM
I agree with Thumper. Good post.
This book apparently documents fanatics from the far right.
*also called Into a World of Hate: A Journey Among the Extreme Right (USA/Canada)
'His style is bold, the reportage lively, and he makes the characters – some drawn with the power and detail of Dickens – menacing enough that you can hear them breathe heavily into your ears...Ryan took seven years to penetrate the dark world of fascism in the 21st century. He took great risks and clearly put the whole of himself into the project. He is a compelling witness. He writes furiously, at times brilliantly. He makes you share his fears and passions.'
The Independent, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown
We see them fleetingly. Men dressed in white sheets, paunchy figures in survival gear, throwing their Hitler salutes, almost unreal. We laugh or shake our heads, turn the page, and move on to less depressing or ridiculous news.
Like you, so I once thought. Sniggering at the TV, safe and comfortable, the world reduced to bite-sized headlines. After all, what have skinheads, hooligans and Nazi fanatics to do with the rest of us?
But what if – just if – these people represented something larger? Leading ordinary lives in and among us, with the same problems and fears. Not so different after all.
Homeland is the story of my journey into their world. A glimpse into a place most of us will not, or choose not, to see.
Neither investigation, history lesson, or political analysis, this book is one man's recollection of his time spent amongst these men and women. Six years of my life writ large, for better or worse. As much my story as theirs.
I hope you learn from it.
What is Homeland?
Homeland tackles the rise of the extreme right in a unique, often disturbing, adventure/odyssey. It's a mix of adventure, travel and extremism, all rolled into one.
Moving from British neo-nazi gangs to US Presidential candidates and Europe’s political zealots, Homeland is a gripping six-year adventure and social commentary, a truly unique account of the underbelly of modern society.
Describing how he builds trust with the men and women at the heart of such movements, Nick Ryan depicts a search for identity, belonging and belief, as he travels through an interconnected network of both violent and political extremists.
If you want to know about the coal face of extremism, how fundamentalism as dangerous and threatening as al-Qaeda in the East is now rising in the West – indeed, is inextricably linked to it – Homeland is the place to find it.
The work for the book led to Nick's involvement with the critically-acclaimed BBC drama England Expects (written by Frank Deasy), which he helped produce over a three-and-a-half year period.
Nick Ryan (http://www.nickryan.net/books.html)
11-17-2005, 01:03 PM
Well, goodie goodie, IGWT, another book on those evil Nationalists and skin heads.
Nick Ryan should not have taken 6 years to get his book to press, that evil has been supplanted by the evil de jour Muslims with their Molotov cocktails and cries of "Allah is great!" Guess you just can't depend on anything any more to sell books.
All that suffering in a place "most of us will not, or choose not" to see or go. Poor baby. Perhaps he will ensconce himself inside the radical left next, it beats working, huh? He will doubtless find it dull after the last 6 exciting years. Commies are not known for much but vicious deeds and murder. You might want to research that book in someone's archives, like say, Henry Kissinger.
All right, everybody, off with those sheets, I need them for the table. Nick Ryan has been invited over, we're serving grits and crow.
11-17-2005, 06:44 PM
Yeh, tuck in that "mullet" hairdo BARBARA and ring the bell for dinner.
Still, their is a heavy dickhead element in these movements. Encouraged of course by the Intelligence Services. Cant have articulate, middle class people in the movement. Might gain credibility.
11-17-2005, 07:03 PM
Truebeliever, my man, you KNOW you are right!
If you took out all the infiltrators and agents provacateur all that would be left is one lonely old bald-headed buy with a beer gut and tatoos looking around saying, "WTF, WTF?" :lol:
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