View Full Version : Does George Bush Represent a Rift in NWO?

11-28-2004, 10:37 AM
Rather than saying "A satanic criminal cabal controls the US government and thanks to the mass media, masquerades as the defender of God and freedom.",I would say "a satanic cabal WAS CONTROLLING the US govt... through the so-called neo-cons political lever. As a result, the USA are now trapped in the Iraqi war from which they are trying to get out.

Many of the "neo-cons" pretend to be Jews but they did not work really for Israel. Fundamentally, they represent the interests of cabbalist billionnaires who are planning to get rid of all sovereign nations (at this
very moment Ukrain) in order to establish a feudal-cabbalist NWO entirely under the control of the giant trusts they already own. The USA were used by them to destroy the Iraqi sovereignty in order to, PRINCIPALLY:

1. Close the Iraqi oil taps in direction of China, Russia, France and Germany which must be economically weakened since they are opposing the feudal-cabbalist NWO.
2. Involve the USA in a UN opposed dirty war which would give strong arguments to politically empower this UN (and its NATO sheriff forces)
already controlled by the NWO planners. Did you notice that the UN opposed the Iraqi war for so-called humanist reasons while it did nothing to oppose the Rwanda genocide (more than two million civilians slaughtered)? The final objective of this involvement is to destroy the US sovereignty by making it appear publicly as a danger for the world peace.

For short-term reasons of economical war, the US govt was agreeing on depriving China, Russia, France and Germany from the Iraqi oil but did not take in account the medium/long-term danger of the Iraqi war for the US sovereignty itself.

This plan was having a second shutter: Iran. Exactly for the same reasons than for Iraq, the cabbalist billionnaires wish to destroy the Iran`s sovereignty too, with a little help of their first enemy the still sovereign USA. If I am right in stating that G. Bush is no longer on
the wrong side, the USA will not attack Iran. If G. Bush is still on the wrong side, then God save us from the feudal-cabbalist NWO.

11-28-2004, 06:56 PM
I would like to know wht the USA gave the Pqanama canal to China if they are supposed to be such enemies. I don't have any suggestions. I do hope China and USA are opposed. It may be the only thing that reigns in the 4th Reich.

12-07-2004, 12:13 AM
Answers may be here:

roon wrote:
I would like to know wht the USA gave the Pqanama canal to China if they are supposed to be such enemies. I don't have any suggestions. I do hope China and USA are opposed. It may be the only thing that reigns in the 4th Reich.

12-07-2004, 03:10 PM
wow Nestor , some real hard-core stuff there ... some of it is pretty accurate , I think , except the part about the black pope . I couldn't quite swallow the idea that the Catholic church is the power behind the NWO .

12-07-2004, 08:35 PM
Anonymous.. No wonder you hide your identity.. you are on top of it.. Sovereignty is what the NWO wants to destroy.. night on.

I Think the Bush bunch has been involved so long in the development of the NWO that there is no doubt about what side they are on.

It is true, it appears that there is a schism between the Bush bunch and the U.N.... However remember that the powers that be including the Bush's have supplied weapons to both sides of all wars in the past century..

I suspect Bush's job is to bankrupt America so that the oligarchs can buy up our natural resources and privatize our infrastructure, like they have always done, every time they set out to destroy a nation in order to own the vulture rights... These people have done this for centuries... They are good at it.

12-07-2004, 08:58 PM

Yes I totally agree that this could be what is happening now. The globalists really thought they could get the Rothschildís man Kerry into power and every paper was on the case. The lies ran thick and fast but I think they under estimated the electorate. Thatís what convinced me something was up when all of a sudden they all switched support away from Bush. Now what appears to have become the overwhelming trend since Bush won is he has replaced most of the top neo cons with people who are very close to him. People who have been long term friends and you have to ask the question that if the Neo cons were all so great why so many have resigned or been sacked. Also lots of pressure from the government on the UN at the moment (oil for food). Oh and check whatís going on with the RIIA, which is considered to be one of the most powerful military talk shops in the world. They were instrumental in lying to the public about WMDís etc but now there has been anti Bush noises coming from them.

12-08-2004, 10:17 AM
If I read correctly, the Jesuits (the military order of the Church), via the Jesuit General is in control of the Roman Catholic Church and the Vatican. But think about it, this power structure dates back to the middle ages where they yielded enormous power. Forward in time to the Inquisitions and Crusades you begin to understand the power of the Vatican (or those who pull her strings behind the scene). Seems that the men behind the White Pope (the visible pope) is the one with the real authority and power. This manís name is Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, the Black Pope. The story of the Jesuits is very intriguing on many levels.

billiard wrote:
wow Nestor , some real hard-core stuff there ... some of it is pretty accurate , I think , except the part about the black pope . I couldn't quite swallow the idea that the Catholic church is the power behind the NWO .

12-08-2004, 11:07 AM
As to there being a rift, I feel that this is not so. Kerry would not have seceded so quickly and quietly. Both Kerry and Bush would have taken the same course albeit in different time frames. The goal is to overextend and possibly have American troops deployed on two fronts possibly leading to the destruction of American forces. Had Kerry won, the attack on Iran would have taken longer but it would have happened regardless. Since Bush was allowed to remain, that means that an attack on Iran will be forthcoming shortly. If anything, NWO plans seem to be ahead of schedule.

12-08-2004, 11:52 AM
BvL.. I don't notice any neocons quiting or leaving this administration.. I see this administration getting rid of voices that go against the neocons and their objectives.. The neocons are being promoted upwards.. The State department will soon be under their control.. The CIA is bing cleansed of truthful voices.. I see the triumph of the neocons, and the end of America in this new administration.

12-08-2004, 01:10 PM
billiard wrote:
wow Nestor , some real hard-core stuff there ... some of it is pretty accurate , I think , except the part about the black pope . I couldn't quite swallow the idea that the Catholic church is the power behind the NWO.

Find it hard to swallow? Take a look at the below image...


12-08-2004, 01:30 PM
I notice a lot of discussion on many of the topics on these forums. It seems that a lot of you are just waking up. you have those early morning jitters that you feel something is not right, as though the sun is actually blue and for some reason, it's rising in the west and not the east.

However, you're still falling into the trap of the very evil power schema that is controlling the fate of the world.

ANYBODY in power is a threat to mankind. I could care less if George Bush is breaking away from the NWO, or that this Masonic lodge is at odds with this one or that one. The bottom line is absolute power corrupts absolutely. You're still trying to put faith in a person or group of people who you think and hope and pray have your best interests in mind. Sadly, nobody in power on this planet has your best interests in mind. They could care less if you and your family have your house demolished by an act of God. As long as they sit in their palaces and eat off a silver platter and drink from a golden goblet, they will not lift a finger to help you. Do you really think the pope cares about you? Or for that matter, George Bush?

Not to get socialist, but why do movie stars, professional musicians and atheletes make more money than any other profession? If these people actually cared about ordinary citizens, the true people that make this world go round, they would not own more than one modest house and drive more than one car. In other words, they would not live in excess.

Since I touched on the above groups of people, I should add that I know the answer to why these people are paid as much as they are. The yare the cake, the diversion given to us, the common people to keep us from questioning our world leaders. They keep us placated while the earth is raped and our fellow human being are exploited all in the name of profit. And what is profit, but living in luxury on the backs of the masses.

Do not trust in your current world leaders, no matter how glib of tongue they are. Ignore their false promises no matter how sweet they make them. New leaders will rise to take back this planet. Not in the name of a religion, or an ideology, but in the name of humanity, it's rightful inheritors. The new leaders will also know that humanity will not stand for corruption of power, and will depose them the same as we will depose those that now control us.

The coming human revolution will be brutal, and many will die on both sides. However, we must not give any quarter, for no quarter will be given us. The residents of Fallujah are being given the choice of National I.D. cards, retinal scans and fingerprints or death. If it is successful there, it will be successful in all of Iraq. And from a newly birthed police state under the guise of a democracy, our current world leaders will seek to institute this policy in the rest of the "free" world so that we may give up our liberties for security. To quote a forefather, "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty."

Anyway, I'm on a rant again. I'll leave you to think about what I have said.

Mr. Shady

12-09-2004, 08:32 AM
Here's the link to that site:

And even a picture of John Paul II with the Trilateral Commission :-o


Mr_Shady wrote:
billiard wrote:
wow Nestor , some real hard-core stuff there ... some of it is pretty accurate , I think , except the part about the black pope . I couldn't quite swallow the idea that the Catholic church is the power behind the NWO.

Find it hard to swallow? Take a look at the below image...


12-09-2004, 11:51 AM
Hey wait a minute.. That's an inverted cross in the background. A very bad sign.

12-09-2004, 04:07 PM
sablefish wrote:
BvL.. I don't notice any neocons quiting or leaving this administration.. I see this administration getting rid of voices that go against the neocons and their objectives.. The neocons are being promoted upwards.. The State department will soon be under their control.. The CIA is bing cleansed of truthful voices.. I see the triumph of the neocons, and the end of America in this new administration.

Yes the media say they are bad news but then whom do you believe. They are most likely to be more loyal than the others and hence the shake-up and the result is it puts more power in Bush's hands. Now what I see is a rift between the European elite and the American counterparts and thatís why over here there was a big push from the media for Kerry. A lot of America is controlled by people like the British as they have their people dug in and MI6 tends to give orders to the CIA rather than the other way round. So has Bush figured that he has been given wrong advice from the CIA and so on and did this 'advice' originate from MI6 and the RIIA? I suspect this could be the case and now itís all in Bush's hands so we will have to wait and see what he does next. Iran will be very telling but I don't see any firm plans to invade it or anything.

12-09-2004, 06:16 PM
I am not very religious, but I think hard core religion (black pope) and hard core satanism are heading towards the same destination maybe even car pooling! The satan evil mindset seems very unoriginal, you know grab a good idea a concept, infiltrate and tweak it towards the evil side.
Satan's one world total control grid is necessary to bring about the 2nd coming of Jesus.
Who in turn would now have the world's population under control for all the right reasons.
The final conflict, a power grab for your souls if you want. Who will stand up against the beast system? Who will submit and hence be micro-chipped? It's like the Yin-Yang and walkig that thin line that seperates Yin from Yang is not an option for this war.

p.s. that picture of the Pope and the upside cross?? very very strange indeed

12-09-2004, 10:02 PM
GWB's name in Skull and Bones is "Temporary" right? I think mostly NWO stage setting is happening right now through 2008. Arnold Schwarzenneger is already campaining to run for president. I mean, can you imagine "the terminator president"? That has all kinds of insidious implications does'nt it? :-o

12-09-2004, 10:18 PM
nohope... WHEN Arnie and not IF Arnie becomes the face of politics, the Pres/Prime Minister of Canuckistan, I think I'll migrate to the sunny shores of Cuba or some other friendly dictatorship.

I'm coming to think a marguarita on a beach watching the sun set and my children play is the best I can hope for. Trouble is I am having problems finding any suitable country with any sense or morality in which I would raise my children.

Two bedroom flats go for forty thousand pounds in Dubais, according to British sources. Perhaps a little too close to Iraq?

Is there anywhere in this Satan loving world I can simply live and raise my children?

I'm open to suggestion, offers and invitations. Canada is not where I want to be. I'm also partial to warm climates.

New Zealand keeps crossing my mind.

I am ashamed to be Canadian. What Canada stands for is drug shipments, money laundering, mafia and child molestation. What a sad state of affairs.

Mary XXX Peace!

12-10-2004, 01:18 PM
I figure a major nuke war might put the northern hemisphere in a nuclear winter for awhile.. Chile (Patagonia) has got a very long coastline, and a wide range of latitude.. And I've read that NWO money people are buying up huge tracts of it. Perhaps it a safety net to cling to after they have destroyed civilization.

Perhaps I will sail down that direction. I better do it soon before they put us all in lockdown.

BvL.. I still think it's the old divide and conquer thing.. I suspect that Bush/Blair/Sharon axis.. is all part of the overall plan for World Government.. It looks like a rift between the powers of Fascism and those of Communism, but it's just the Right Vs. Left thing where both sides are part of the overall strategy for dominance.

12-11-2004, 07:42 PM
Maybe it is a divide and rule situation, it certainly seems to have been that way with regard to Iraq where you had the Anglo American axis vs. the UN. However according to some report from Bilderburg last year there was said to be a real split that has been the first since the conference started. So I keep my eyes open but there is so little information at the top of the hierarchy that we can be sure of.

12-11-2004, 09:08 PM
BvL.. I'll keep my eyes open too.. we'll campare notes.. O.K?.. You are an informed dude and I like what you post and say... cheers.

01-10-2005, 12:57 PM
As much as I like to see anythng bad happen to the evil Dr. K, I think it is obvious that most of the CIA firings by Bush's new yes-man Porter Goss are of Rothschild devotees.
That is the rift currently ongoing in the NWO. I still believe that the Rothschilds duped Bush and the neocons into going along with 9/11, then doublecrossed them afterward. That is why there has been so much housecleaning, including the internal investigations ordered by Cheney after some Israeli double-agents were discovered within our intelligence apparatus. From that point, there would appear to be an obvious panic emerging from the Bush administration. (The recent Asian Tsunami may be one reaction to that panic, as they try to take a large number of Islamic Asian players out of the game before it further escalates.)
As Dr. Henry says, Bush is the "bad cop". He and his neocon controllers were conned into starting this whole war on terror mess with the promise of American hegemony. That was the carrot on the stick. The real plan all along was to weaken and discredit the U. S. to the point where it will be ripe for destruction. This destruction will have both an economic and military component, with maybe even an act of terrorism or natural disaster (earthquake in California) thrown in for good measure.
Bush was permitted to rig the election for these reasons, as fellow Bonesmen John Kerry took an obvious and intentional "dive". If there is any hope to forestall this plot, Bush must still be overthrown immediately by a regime not under the control of the Rothschild-controlled UN and NWO.
Only that woulld make them regroup and belay the current marching orders.

01-10-2005, 01:35 PM
Although we only see the surface of the ocean, some waves are quite significants. The firing of Kissinger out of the CIA business (by President G. Bush, of course) is indeed such a wave. Another as much significative even if passed unnoticed:


Those who know the place of Soros in the Rothschild hierarchy and thus in the international banksters` NWO planning, can only be optimistic about the George Bush presidency if Soros fears him. I am optimistic... everyday a little more.

01-10-2005, 01:45 PM
John, sorry, but that rumormill story about Soros divesting his American interests only further reinforces the scenario I most fear, that Soros and his Rothschild superiors know that the collapse of the American economy is imminent.
Soros has the influence to stave off any mere SEC investigation, unlike Martha Stewart. But like all Illuminati, he is not about to risk financial ruin himelf. If he is dumping his American investments...look out.

01-10-2005, 02:09 PM
freeman wrote:
John, sorry, but that rumormill story about Soros divesting his American interests only further reinforces the scenario I most fear, that Soros and his Rothschild superiors know that the collapse of the American economy is imminent.
Soros has the influence to stave off any mere SEC investigation, unlike Martha Stewart. But like all Illuminati, he is not about to risk financial ruin himelf. If he is dumping his American investments...look out.

I share your fear that the City banksters are on the brink to attack the Americam economy with all their forces. Sauron is preparing the decisive battle against the still sovereign USA... In the same time, it makes me hoping this attack will trigger the decisive hit against the banksters: the retaking of the FED by the American people. Great times are coming Freeman... I believe everything shall be clear soon.

01-15-2005, 12:33 AM
I agree John.

Enough people know now. When the shit hits the fan there will be trouble and enough people know who the enemy is.

These are dangerous times but also the decisive point.

I wonder how it will unravel?

After all, whats money? Whats the 'economic system'?

If the money dries up the wheat will still be in the fields, the car you loaned money for will still exist. The Japs cant dig up Manhatten and take it home.

I beleive the secret to their chaos will be the energy system.

They are going to creat a mammoth energy crisis under the pretext of "Peak Oil" and hold the world to ransom. War will be central to this.

Nothing will scare the peasants more than freezing or the lack of transport that will precipitate a food shortage.

Whatever they come up with the internet community is not making it easy for them.

I still hold out hope they may come to the brink but back off.

They must realise by now they cant win bar turning the Earth into an asphalt car park.

The doco "The Corporation" is a best seller. Others like it dealing in the subject matters discussed here do well also.

Too many people are clued up...i hope.


01-15-2005, 07:02 AM
Great post, truebeliever.

These are dangerous times but also the decisive point.

I agree. I am close to formulating my own general itinerary of what to expect. I agree with John that a showdown between the two NWO factions is imminent, but I believe the Rothschild's objective is to undermine the U. S. through Bush's fanaticism in order to make us ripe for attack.
Svali, the Illuminati defector, outlines much of what America can come to expect in her disclosures of her training and indoctrination in one of Dr. Henry's previous articles:

Military Takeover

Svali: "Briefly, each region of the United States has "nerve centres" or power bases for regional activity. The United States has been divided up into seven major geographical regions. Each region has localities within it that contain military compounds and bases that are hidden in remote, isolated areas or on large private estates.

These bases are used intermittently to teach and train generational Illuminati in military techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd control, use of arms, and all aspects of military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists believe that our government, as we know it, as well as the governments of most nations around the world, are destined to collapse. These will be planned collapses, and they will occur in the following ways:

The Illuminati has planned first for a financial collapse that will make the great depression look like a picnic. This will occur through the manoeuvring of the great banks and financial institutions of the world, through stock manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most people will be indebted to the federal government through bank and credit card debt, etc. The governments will recall all debts immediately, but most people will be unable to pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause generalized financial panic, which will occur simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists firmly believe in controlling people through finances.

Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know the exact time frame for all of this, and wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to the government or credit debt, and can live self sufficiently, they may do better than others. I would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the income. Gold will once again be the world standard, and dollars will be pretty useless (remember after the Civil War? Our money will be worth about what confederate money was after the collapse).

Next there will be a military takeover, region by region, as the government declares a state of emergency and martial law. People will have panicked, there will be an anarchical state in most localities, and the government will justify its move as being necessary to control panicked citizens. The cult trained military leaders and people under their direction will use arms as well as crowd control techniques to implement this new state of affairs. ...Military bases will be set up, in each locality (actually, they are already here, but are covert). In the next few years, they will go above ground and be revealed. Each locality will have regional bases and leaders to which they are accountable. The hierarchy will closely reflect the current covert hierarchy.

Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy (http://www.savethemales.ca/141002.html)

That answers part of the puzzle. I believe there will be a window of opportunity created for resistance by true believers when this chaos unfolds.

01-15-2005, 06:06 PM
Sounds about it Freeman.

Interesting where that 3 trillion dollar Pentagon shortfall went...lots of underground bases perhaps?

The more I think about it the more I believe they will back off.

I agree about Bush.

His deliberate reckless actions and never ending references to religion tell me he is the classic Hegalian principle point man in action.

He is the religious nut proving that religion is dangerous and that this hard line religio/fascism is too much.

Finally, the people, brought to the point of dispair and possible nuclear exchange will be begging and screaming for a New Age/Secular/Liberal/Touchy Feely Commune living/Hudrogen Car Driving President perhaps with a foreign accent.

All the answers will pour out of his mouth. Every nightmare brought to us by Bush will be swept away by his loving hand... "Not to worry world! The U.N has finally gotton rid of that evil fascist Bush. We are the Good guys".

We will take our 'chips' and our retinal scans to get into our 'villiage' communities. We will wave as Lord Rothschild flies overhead in his private jet as we get onto our public transport.

Lord Sauron drives privately of course...he might catch one of those enginered viruses on public transport.

Oh yes! Fabian Socialism at it's best. Threaten to take the whole house then just take half and you'll feel like it's a good deal.


01-15-2005, 06:56 PM
Would'nt be suprised if GW Bush is a closet paedophile using his wife and two kids as a cover.
After all, if he keeps Skull and Bones and Bohemian Grove Club in the closet, how many skeletons must be in there? Just speculation,though. :-P

01-15-2005, 09:31 PM
Daddy Bush is a homosexual.


Do a search on google for franklin coverup.

There was also a documentary made about it

that was never broadcasted ... those of you

that believe that Michael Moore is out to

defend the American people are not aware of

the power of blackout that the elite have.

If that fat lying son of bitch Michael Moore

was truly detrimentral to them, pulling

him out of all media would be as easy as

flicking a switch to turn off the lights.

01-15-2005, 09:57 PM
If that fat lying son of bitch Michael Moore

was truly detrimentral to them, pulling

him out of all media would be as easy as

flicking a switch to turn off the lights.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Remember me telling about how disinterested he was when he was told about the Diebold voting machine scandal?
Seems like Moore is a diversionary agent, skimming the surface and then turning the focus in the wrong direction.

01-16-2005, 02:37 PM



01-16-2005, 03:17 PM
Hey guys!

When "Bowling For Columbine" first came out I actually wrote to Moore on his website. I thought he had "overlooked" a REALLY big point. All that talk about why "America" was sooo violent, compared to the peaceful Canadians - he was talkin' here, he was talkin' there - man he was allovertheplace, but not a single word about the deal between the educational system and Big Pharma to poison the kids with Ritalin and other Mind Altering or "Behavior Modification" Drugs.

So I wrote the man thinking he would care. Yeah, it sounds funny, right? ;-)

Not that I expected His Highness to answer but I sort of thought I would at least get an automated email answer back.

I mean, if the guy REALLY wants to put mustard up the Elites' arses then this really would do the trick, no? Go after Big Pharma?

He's a distraction alright. I know there are more serious, intelligent, well informed people than sad jesters like Michael Moore or Al Franken who would kick the shit out of the Rotschilds, Rockefellers, Bushes superefficiently but they're NOT ALLOWED.

For fun, check out this cold, thorough, complete and utter character assassination of Michael Moore. I might not agree with all conclusions drawn by the writers but it suuure is funny. ;-)

Oscar For Best Acting Out
Of A Personality Disorder?

01-16-2005, 06:52 PM
Hey Draken! Guess what! Moores new doco is exposing big pharma! See, that e-mail did work!

I dont believe he's a NWO stooge.

Realistically, he would NEVER have gotton F/9-11 out if he'd gone for the jugular. NEVER.

We'd like it all exposed tomorrow...it takes time and a few manouverings.

MM should lose some weight however. It may be he will 'self assassinate' with one more mint, ala Monty Python and the Meaning Of Life..."but Sir, it is only wafer thin..."

01-16-2005, 06:56 PM
BTW Mad, the pic of the lynching are fakes. Fun fakes.

Look at WW2 pics of hangings with the stretching of the neck. The neck does not plop forward.

There is a second thinner rope that is taught behind the main one supposedly strangling him. It is a harness.


01-16-2005, 07:10 PM
I am now firmly convinced there is NO rift.

We all know how they operate.

Surely we ALL know how they operate?

It seems NWO lesson 101.

Kerry was the fall guy. He made no serious attempt to challenge Bush. He was simply another actor in the play.

I'd have serious reservations about anyone who could post that Kerry was a genuinely failed NWO challenge to Bush. RUBBISH.

The Blue Blood East Coast Establishment know their true MAsters.

Bush senior was recently cuddling up with Clinton and at another time endorsing Arnie.

There is no rift.

The only rift is between THEM & US.

Here is a previous post of mine.

Great article John. I agree almost completely...almost.

I cant quite believe China or indeed any of the manufactured Communiust States are beyond Western Elite control.

China lives and dies on Western Capital investment. Pull the plug and what will China do with the INSTANT 40million unemployed, all mostly lower middle class with nothing to lose peasants. We all remember the Asian Economic crisis? We've all seen "Rogue Trader" on DVD. Thats how easy it is to destroy an economy and sow chaos.

They are already having BIG problems with the peasantry.

I've heard they're spending big on non lethal crowd control equipment though i'd like to know from where.

Friends who travel regularly to China speak of the incessent government propaganda to prod the people to work harder and beat the U.S economically.

This is designed to keep the peasants occupied as is the incessent talk of war with Taiwan which will NEVER happen. An absoloute impossible task for the Chinese military.

My broad brush approach to the many signs of this and that we see happening is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

All over the world the Elites of all countries are combatting the cries of their 'peasantry' for economic and political reform.

Look at Iran. Think about it? The U.S invades and who then will they deal with? A very young and idealistic middle class who are VERY anti globalization and well educated in the way of things.

Who would U.S, European and British elites rather deal with? Corrupt Iranian Elites (Mullahs),their own kind; or millions of disinfranchised peasantry? The British invest heavily in Iran. So to Haliburton. Explain that one?

I have never believed 9-11 was about oil.

9-11 was about distracting peasants and so are all wars.

Controlling local populations is all the Elites one goal.

We meet at cafes to discuss methods of controlling ADD kids and teenage daughters.

'They' meet at Davos, and Bildibergers to discuss controlling the anti globalization movement and recalcitrant peasants who want a say in how the worlds run.

In this I agree with Jared Israel that the war for oil theory is a distraction. The public will buy wars for energy control. They wont like it but they'll buy it.

Endless war and threat of war is the game. 1984 is a classic for a very good reason. It sums it up beautifully.

All other things are a distraction from the main aim. Controlling a well educated middle class who know the jig is up.

The Elite still believe they can pull it off. But at what cost? 2/3 of the Earth destroyed? I dont believe they'll do it. They'll bow out gracefully. I hope.
I am convinced there are specific disinformation posters on this site. They write a reasonable article then post a twist in the last lines or a following article.

Some may think it me.

I have a keen eye. I do not believe it's simply a matter of lacking information. In my mind they could not write what they write with out knowing there following lines are bogus.

I am far...and i mean far...from the font of all knowledge particularly when it comes to the specifics of the NWO.

I think this site is being closely monitored by Western Intelligence Services and privately motivated individuals.

01-16-2005, 07:12 PM
BTW my paranoid ramblings do not include you John.

01-16-2005, 07:58 PM
Best way to maintain the world's population to a minimum?

Treat it as a global restructuring. Having too many people in one place are cost-prohibitive in terms of resource usages and living standard managements. An unwilling, non-compliant, non-contributing population is unacceptable to the NWO folks.

The tsunami disaster was accidental in nature and it gave the NWO folks a perfect opportunity to make drastic, if not so secret, changes to Southeast Asia and its economies by reducing headcounts through various applications of benign or sinister means.

The NWO folks wanted chaos and control in the southeast Asia in order to facilitate plans to transform much of southeastern Asian countries into globalized sectors for the planned future superstate, the Asian Union. The elimination of Islamic and non-compliant governments from Southeast Asia are also part of the plans.

01-16-2005, 08:11 PM
Here's an article about the Asian Union


01-16-2005, 09:04 PM
Well yeh ananamous. Thats the end game.

Rationalism carried to it's extreme ends.

The very essence of "Corporate Efficiency".

People as fooder. As cattle. As a commodity.

How could it be any other way in a society in love with the rational and the material world.

Satan at work. Dressed in a suit and tie.

I hope we do not have to learn one final lesson and are able finally to throw the ring of power back into the fires of Mt Doom.

If the trilogy LOR is anything to go by then there will have to be near catastrophe.

WW2 was not enough it seems. We lulled ourselves back to sleep.
Mad, thats a pretty reasonable article.

The restucturing of Asia will be under total control of the Western Financial Elite.

A Chines sage once wrote..."what is it with you Aryan birds of prey".

01-17-2005, 04:18 AM

I agree that if Moore would've gone full tilt he would've been unplugged, so to speak.

BUT the crux of the matter is to put two and two together at the same time, not put 'two' on the breakfast table and let it sit there for a year and then put another 'two' next to it, wait for, say, ANOTHER year and THEN start thinking about MAYBE adding the two 'twos' up, eventually.

Who knows, maybe his math is so bad he would add it up all wrong and get 3.67.

The point I'm trying to make is that ALL information is out there, right? I mean, we wouldn't be able to discuss these matters if we couldn't get hold of the information, right?
So what the lamestream media always has done is to give out isolated, tiny snippets of truth, (diluted with massive amounts of lies over long periods of time) - totally unconnected, but refrained from ADDING THEM UP.
The devastating impact of The Truth is only achievable if ALL the figures are presented while the issue is still hot, and ADDED UP right in front of the public.

As an example, look at the biggest maritime "natural catastrophe" since the Titanic: The Estonia. I don't know how familiar you are with the case.

28th September 1994, 852 people died when the ferry between Estonia and Sweden capsised and sank. A lot of so-called "conspiracy theories" sprang up as to why it sank; if it was sabotage; if there was secret miltary equipment onboard etc.

Now, TEN YEARS LATER, the lamestream media actually makes an investigative report and finds damning evidence that there WAS a coverup, there WAS secret military equipment onboard and the Customs in Sweden DID know and were ORDERED NOT to search a number of particular cars and vans.

What hasn't been addressed, which is the MOST crucial point, is the technical evidence of bomb blasts in the hull, along with witness reports of sounds of explosions!

In the TV report this question was asked of the man who after ten years couldn't live with being silent:

"What do you think would've happened if the general public would've found out THEN that there might have been secret shipments of military equipment onboard a civilian passenger ferry?"



Finding out ten years later - what happens?

You see my point?

Michael Moore is very cute, but in his new doumentary on Big Pharma I'll bet you my right arm he won't mention the poisoning of the young with drugs in America, that led to the Columbine shootings.

01-17-2005, 06:05 AM
I agree with you.

We'll have to wait and see.

The truth comes out eventually.

We must remember how far we've come.

The truth of the Reichstag fire was known in related circles in the 60's. It's become common knowledge now as has Hitler dressing political prisoners in Polish uniforms and shooting them near a German radio tower and blaming an attack by Poland to justify war.

There were endless lies in the German press EXACTLY like it is now in the press with Iraq.

But we're onto it straight away!

Everywhere I go in Oz I find people who dont even know how to use the net are talking of all the lies used to justify war including the covert op that is 9-11.

Thats a long way from 50 years ago.

Thanks an awful lot to the net.

I live in hope.

Moore will definately be talking about SSRI's. If he does'nt then i'll conclude the perhaps obvious.

01-17-2005, 06:24 AM
He might talk about SSRI's but NOT in relation to the Columbine killings!

Apropo Hitler and the ins and outs of WW2, (and WW1 for that matter!), the amount of disinformation, lies and manipulation we've been fed over the years is so massive that I don't dare make any statement about neither Hitler nor Mussolini.

I've read so many contrasting facts, it's mindboggling.

I can warmly recommend the Juri Lina book Makow is quoting as reference in his latest article, "Architects of Deception". He has found some very contoversial evidence about what happened behind-the-scenes during those years.

01-17-2005, 06:36 AM
Yes I'll definately look that up.

There are alot of holes.

No event in history has been shrouded in more lies and deceit than WW2.

So many events not even mentioned.

Fletcher Prouty writes well on that subject.

As for Moore and Columbine I'm sure he will. Again if not, well i guess he's outed. Remember though, he does'nt want to be sued.

It's very easy to bag Moore. He mortgaged his house to make Roger and Me. Give him credit where credit's due. We're making headway.

The fact that SSUI's (it's actually selective seritonin 'uptake' inhibitor) are dangerous have been known from the start.

Any chemical fiddling with the brain especially with a vulnerable person is asking for it.

'Science' and scientists are so full of shit sometimes it's laughable.

If only people new how totally ignorent these specialists were they would be shocked.

01-17-2005, 06:55 AM
'Science' and scientists are so full of shit sometimes it's laughable.

I'll drink to that anytime!!!

As if the only Science ever in existence is Western Science!

What about Ancient Indian and Chinese science?

01-17-2005, 05:44 PM
Draken wrote:

'Science' and scientists are so full of shit sometimes it's laughable.

I'll drink to that anytime!!!

As if the only Science ever in existence is Western Science!

What about Ancient Indian and Chinese science?

What! Those fools! What did they ever event that was useful!

I see no atomic bombs? What good can they be?
8-) 8-) 8-) :-D :-D :-D :-x

01-24-2005, 05:18 AM

you see no atomic bombs invented by Ancient Indian Science? Check out this article:

Part 1 | Part 2
- by David Hatcher Childress

"Some of the ancient ziggurats of Iran and Iraq also contain vitrified material, sometimes thought by archaeologists to be caused by the Greek fire. For instance, the vitrified remains of the ziggurat at Birs Nimrod (Borsippa), south of Hillah, were once confused with the Tower of Babel. The ruins are crowned by a mass of vitrified brickwork--actual clay bricks fused together by intense heat. This may be due to the horrific ancient wars described in the Ramayana and Mahabharata, although early archaeologists attributed the effect to lightning."

"If one were to believe the great Indian epic of the Mahabharata, fantastic battles were fought in the past with airships, particle beams, chemical warfare and presumably atomic weapons. Just as battles in the 20th century have been fought with incredibly devastating weapons, it may well be that battles in the latter days of Atlantis were fought with highly sophisticated, high-tech weapons."

"Consider these verses from the ancient Mahabharata:

"...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...

..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.

..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.

After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment."

In the way we traditionally view ancient history, it seems absolutely incredible that there was an atomic war approximately 10,000 years ago. And yet, of what else could the Mahabharata be speaking? Perhaps this is just a poetic way to describe cavemen clubbing each other to death; after all, that is what we are told the ancient past was like. Until the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, modern mankind could not imagine any weapon as horrible and devastating as those described in the ancient Indian texts. Yet they very accurately described the effects of an atomic explosion. Radioactive poisoning will make hair and nails fall out. Immersing oneself in water gives some respite, though is not a cure.

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:

Well, yes, in modern history."

I say, that's mighty intriguing, don't you think? :lol:

01-24-2005, 11:20 AM
Great point, Draken. But I think the ancient Indians and Chinese had less to do with "technology" and more to do with power of the mind to manifest changes in the world. The people of those days knew the effect of sound energy on the surrounding environment, and the entire science of "Mantra Shastra" was developed on this.

Modern science has also made some headway into this, though it still has a long way to go. But the following sites seem to provide valuable information:



It looks like the ancients were way ahead of us, and it does make me wonder whether we're really progressing or regressing! In my opinion, all technology is derived from its mental blueprint, and I suppose the ancients knew how to directly access this mental blueprint and bypass the need for technology......just a food for thought.

01-24-2005, 12:23 PM

The Rabbis would agree with you because the

ancients were closer to the source, so they knew

MORE about how reality works.

01-24-2005, 02:00 PM
Very good observations, crowneagle.

Our need for technology is certainly degeneration of mental capacities. I will write more at a later stage on these issues. Also I'm very interested in hearing more about this from you! Mantra Shastra for example.

nomad, yes; the closer one is to the Source the more insight one has into how it all works. This "evolution" business I never really bought. It probably is much more like Michael Cremo says: "human devolution".

Check out his site: http://www.humandevolution.com/

Good night for now, guys! :-)

01-24-2005, 09:34 PM
It looks like the ancients were way ahead of us, and it does make me wonder whether we're really progressing or regressing!

I think the situation that we're in now answers that question.
If the level of knowledge and technology that the ancients possessed was really so superior, then why did the Golden Age ever end?
This, I feel, is the inherent trap that those who get too deeply involved with the occult or esotericism can too easily fall into: Worshipping this secret knowledge as a panacea unto itself, instead of acknowledging man's spiritual failings as the real root of all our misery.

Even King Solomon, reputedly the world's wisest man, offered these observations in Ecclesiastes mear the end of a life which had brought him more wisdom than happiness and had even caused him to turn away from God in his final days:

1:18 For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
12:12 And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh.
13 ∂ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

I think that from the Biblical story of Eve and the apple, man's dilemma has been the same: Until he is ready to responsibly utilize the knowledge of good and evil that he acquired prematurely (from eating the apple), he will never return to paradise, and he will only acquire additonal knowledge at the risk of additional catastrophe.

01-25-2005, 08:33 PM
ditto what Freeman said. :-x :-? :pint: :-o 8-) :hammer:

01-28-2005, 11:40 AM
After Richard Perle and many other less known Z neo-cons (the very worst kind), douglas Feith is now going to be booted out from the Bush Administration. Who`s the next?

Also, the US army is going to leave Irak very soon.

Times are changing.


01-28-2005, 05:50 PM
john wrote:
After Richard Perle and many other less known Z neo-cons (the very worst kind), douglas Feith is now going to be booted out from the Bush Administration. Who`s the next?

Uh, Douglas Feith is going to resign from working for his boss, Donald Rumsfeld, citing "personal reasons" relating to his own family. Rumsfeld have yet to accept his resignation but would support Feith's reasoning for leaving. He's planning to quit his post this summer.

john wrote:
Also, the US army is going to leave Irak very soon.

Perhaps, if the Iraqis have ask them. So far, they haven't. Maybe not yet.

01-28-2005, 06:18 PM
The troops in Iraq are going no where except to their unhealthy futures in more wars, wether it be onto Iran next or whatever country...

The soldiers will come home when Rome has no more money to support her troops... isn't that what is happening over there now? Who wants to bring home a sick military? The bastards who sent them over to be murderers and let them be poisoned alongside their "foe"?

Until the U.S. dollar collapses, those soldiers will remain and be joined by more...

The U.N. will pull off some bullshit thingy WWF style where we are the good UN and we are "drafting" good citizens from many nations to help rape Iraq. I have a funny feeling Martin is Bushy's new bed-buddy. Blair has an election to rig and a population to bullshit. He's busy right now.

Palestine is working for the NWO just fine. Iraq too. They are murdering civilians indiscriminantly. That is the truth and it is very grave indeed.

What if our racist police force, here in Nova Scotia with its Masonic leadership and its KKK ties to government policies turned on Nova Scotian civilians? Are we foolish enough to believe that this is not a very real possibility? If it can happen there in Iraq and Palestine, not to mention many other countries, it can happen anywhere.

Is Venezualen oil calling Uncle Sam's army somewhere again? Remember Rome and think about the U.S.A. Visions of burning flames comes to my mind.

Mary XXX

01-29-2005, 02:56 AM
Wait and see...

Meanwhile, read these:


Keep optimistic, folks. Times are REALLY changing.

The kabbalist banksters (called "illuminati") know that they have not much time left to fulfill their rotten plans for an elitist-fascist world government ("The Union") since TOO MANY PEOPLE KNOW NOW and also the growing resistance from a large part of the planet (China, India, Russia, Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela,...). Time is no more working for them! Thus, they are going to make more and more mistakes and force the main political leaders to the following choice: follow the illuminati in what is their emergency plan or make war to them.

The emergency plan? Trigger the third world war in order to destroy China and Russia while weakening the USA.

01-29-2005, 06:30 AM
John, I would love to share your optimism about these events, I really, really would, but at best I must temper it.
First, Svali and other Illuminati defectors have detailed that exit plans for the ruling elites has already been factored into the scheming for America's destruction and NWO takeover:

But a lot of the current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when the change occurs, and many have homes there. They will be "changing nationalities" overnight, as it were.

Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive Conspiracy (http://www.savethemales.ca/141002.html)

The second part about Feith is somewhat more sanguine to consider. It has been obvious that Cheney and others in the Bush administration have been alarmed by Israeli security leaks in recent months, and investigations have even been ordered. I find this intriguing, since there was no compulsion on the part of the administration to investigate the covert details emerging about 9/11. Therefore I can only conclude that Bush and the neocons knew about 9/11 in advance, maybe were even in on the planning. Perhaps they were sucked into a larger Illuminati conspiracy with the promise of American hegemony and control of the Middle East. Now that they are hopelessly bogged down in Iraq, they are beginning to smell the rat. This could be a positive development if they react appropriately, withdraw from Iraq, lick their wounds and patch up the floundering Ameican economy as best they know how, maybe even addressing the perpetual debt machine generated by the Federal Reserve. Since that hasn't happened yet (just this blatantly superficial plan to spike the stock market temporarily by privatizing Social Security), I still have to fear the second scenario: That Bushco will decide to go hellbent for leather and push on with the original plan to concquer all of the Middle Eastern oil-producing countries. At this point, that can only be accomplished with weapons of mass destruction (ironic, eh, based on our rationale for beng in Iraq?), triggering a deadly retaliation from the rest of the world.

01-29-2005, 08:42 AM
The rats know the ship is sinking...

They are scurrying up the tie lines to safer ground with new feed...

The good ol' U.S. of A. is in for one hell of a roller-coaster ride of economic purging - dump your debt folks, the ship is sinking, the rats leaving is a good a sign as any!

Rome can't pay or feed her armies that are too scarcely scattered... same song, different tune/time...

Scrrrrrrrrrratchhhhhhhhhhhh it.........
Throw out the record.
Keep the stereo.
Play a better tune

American citizens are gonna have to take over the federal reserve and pray for God's divine intervention and grace in this matter. Pray for a peaceful path and be prepared for violence...

It is most bizarre to be very reasonable and rational and somewhat logical and believe in the fairytale that is Jesus Christ and God.

I truly believe that God can and will intervene... somehow - some way. Am I a mad woman for thinking this way?

Mary XXX

02-07-2005, 08:33 AM

Been away.

Ancient nooklar bombs?

What are you? Some kind of conspiricy theorist?

Shit I just got laughed at with a pamphlet explaining the mainstream tracking technology they're using...using mainstream news articles...and I was still laughed at!

I'll keep the ancient nooklar wars to myself after that experience.

02-07-2005, 08:55 AM
Freeman. You sound like a SGT Skull man! Good analysis.

I have serious doubts about this NWO rift.

Bush and Co are well known Europe loving East Coast Blue Bloods.

I am almost positive about what is going on.

Hell, even old Bush Snr was sucking up to Arnie on the telly!

The U.S is the bad cop and no one else could have pulled off the invasion of the M.E.

Currently Europe is tut, tuting those brash Americans and there itchy trigger fingers.

I just watched an interview weith Joska Ficsher, the German foreign minister. If ever there was an example of a NWO stooge their it was.

Over and over we heard the same thing..."the past is done, we must work for a positive outcome....the past is done we must work for a positive outcome".

The U.S plays bad cop...Europe plays good cop. They foster the myth of the rift. The U.S is the terrible fascistic/imperialistic/religious nut case lunatic who must be stopped. Europe is the voice of reason.

Arnie was set up as the saviour. After Bush had trashed the good name of Christianity and ruined completely the U.S economy and bought the world to the brink of war, Arnie was to be roled out at the end of Bush's second term.

Arnie will be the voice of reason. He will be SECULAR. He will say all the right things.

People will breathe a sigh of relief.

The Police State infrastructure will be in place. For all the talk, none of it will be removed. So relieved will the average peasant be after 8 years of Bush, few will complain.

It's CLASSIC Hegel. Absoloute problem-reaction-soloution.

When you want to screw someone out of twenty dollars first demand $100. Shout and scream and beat your fists...then calm down and ask to borrow $20 as if you're backing down...fabian socialism.

Whatever the exact method, we are being duped into beliving there is a NWO - Europe/U.S rift.

The only rift is between 'them' & 'us'.

Foster chaos all around the globe. From the chaos will come a synthisis.

Destroy the U.S from within, economically and culturally. Make the U.S the enemy. Then offer the soloution...

A benevolent, socialist, statist command and control economy run by an Intellectual, political and business elite. Plato's philosopher Kings who worship Reason - Lucifer - the bringer of light.

The planet will be run like an efficient company.

These Satanists will not appear as horned devils but will be dressed in the garb of the clean cut and dapper business man and woman.

They will have no need of silly mysticism, mystery, cultural icons, silly religious rituals and other irrational peasant behaviour.

Just the sweet hum of the machine.

No waste, no dead weights. Just pure reason guiding us into an abyss...god help us...and he will.

02-07-2005, 10:26 PM

you wrote:

'It is most bizarre to be very reasonable and rational and somewhat logical and believe in the fairytale that is Jesus Christ and God.'

you are saying that Jesus Christ is a fairytail?
aren't you talking about God all the time in here ? which God are you talking about ?


02-08-2005, 06:05 AM
Well said, truebeliever!

I don't have the time now to comment other than I wholeheartedly agree. Don't have access to my own computer at this time, but in a few days I'll have one.

Cheers until then!

Truth, Beauty, Love

02-09-2005, 12:29 AM
It's funny Draken but the instant I hit the 'enter' key after writing that i had some doubts about NO rift.

I have noted in the media here in Australia short snippets which point towards alot of tension between the Howard government and the NWO adherents.

He's threatened the Reserve Bank not to raise interest rates (unheard of! Back before the election) in quite a nasty tone. I've heard from sources there is a great deal of tension between the government and the banking elite.

2 of Howards immediate deputies are devout Catholics or Christians. Tony Abbot, John Anderson and quite a few others in the back bench. Howard himself is quite religious.

The Treasurer, Peter Costello, is Brother to the highly respected Religious Minister Tim Costello who voices regularly his dislike of the NWO manifestations.

Couple it with his extreme 'suck holing' to Bush and who knows? Maybe there is an honest to God rift?

If there is, I suspect the middle managers of the world are having a tif.

I suspect the CEO's are quietly gathering around the Chesterfield leather lounges, cognac in hand debating the next step. Possibly including keeping the appearence of a rift going to cancel out a true opposition.

Only time will tell.