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11-16-2005, 10:06 AM
"In whatever country Jews have settled in any great number, they have lowered its moral tone; depreciated its commercial integrity; have segregated themselves and have not been assimilated; have sneered at and tried to UNDERMINE THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION..; built up a state within the state; and when opposed tried to strangle that country to death financially, as in...Spain and Portugal.
Jews are vampires, and vampires do not live on vampires. They cannot live only among themselves.
They must subsist on Christians and other people not of their race. If you do not exclude them from the United States.., in less than 200 years they will...change our form of government, for which we Americans have shed our blood, given our lives our substance and jeopardized our liberty. If you do not exclude them our descendants will be working in the fields to furnish them substance, while they will be


in the counting houses rubbing their hands. I warn you.., if you do not exclude Jews for all time,
YOUR CHILDREN WILL CURSE YOU IN YOUR GRAVES." from
http://www.u-r-next.com/mediaCC-a.html

Barbara
11-16-2005, 11:50 AM
Ben Franklin was not a prophet, he was a student of history and human nature and an acute observer. The accuracy of his statements are all around us, should we be willing to look and truthfully admit what we are seeing.

The 13 families who make up the International Banking Cartel are jewish. How better to control a country than through it currency. Any country can be "strangled" by their currency manipulation.

Freemasonry at it's apex is still under the control of a "higher" group known as the B'nai Brith. Any jew may enter a masonic temple at his leisure but no goy (non-jew) may enter a chapter of B'nai Brith without a jewish escort.

In the interest of fairness, take any of the "talking points" from the above post, or any other quotes made by historic personages regarding the jews and we will enter into debate.

igwt
11-16-2005, 11:58 AM
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

While claiming to represent "the interests of the worldwide Jewish Community" the B'nai B'rith is in fact a Masonic Order that represents British Freemasonry, and shifts blame for its Luciferian "world government" agenda onto Jews in general. Thus while pretending to fight anti- Semitism, it actually puts Jews in jeopardy.

The B'nai B'rith has no mandate to represent the Jewish people. But by equating opposition to the globalist agenda with anti-Semitism, it ensures that Jews are blamed for the emerging New World Order.

Savethemales (http://www.savethemales.ca/001211.html)

Barbara
11-16-2005, 12:22 PM
Well, there you have it. The poor "hoodwinked" members of B'nai Brith have no mandate from the jewish people and are, in fact placing the jewish people in danger.

Bull excrement. The membership is all jewish. Jewish money goes to support it. How many other jewish organizations that exist "have no mandate" from the jewish peope? They are constantly springing up like mushrooms in cow patties.

The American Freemasons have no mandate from the American people, yet they exist and carry on their dirty work. They are definitely placing the American people in danger.

The two organizations are the pits, IMHO, they cover their dirty deeds with good works and, at least in the American Freemasons, keep the bulk of the membership (32nd degree and below) in the dark as to their true purpose.

In the final analysis, ignorance will not get them out of their obligations.

Personally, the only "hoodwinked" people are those who stupidly support such secret societies and make excuses for them, jewish or otherwise.

igwt
11-16-2005, 01:23 PM
Here is another perspective.

Independent Order Of B'nai B'rith

Founded 1843

B'nai B'rith means "Sons of the Covenant", the Covenant being that of circumcision practiced according to Mosaic law. Hence the Independent Order of the B'nai B'rith only admits Jews as members.

This rite was founded in New York in 1843 by a number of German Jews, headed by Henry Jones.

Its constitution, Distric Lodges, Grand Lodges, stamp it as a Jewish Masonic Society.

Like most societies, it covers its political activities under the cloak of benevolance and philanthropy.

From its inception, until the present time, its main contact has been with Germany and its chief aim the establishment of the supremacy of the German Jews in all world affairs through the channel of "Internationalism"

In 1882, the strength of the I.O.B.B. in the United States warrented the opening of lodges in Germany by Moritz Ettinger, and the growth of the order was so rapid there that in 1885, Julius Bien, President of the Order in New York, went over and inaugurated the first German Grand Lodge of the I.O.B.B.

The political activities of the leaders of the order in Romania, Austria and Hungary are a matter of record, although the chief centre of their power is in the United States where they have lately attained supremacy in the Jewish World by absorbing "national" Zionism and submitting it wholly to their own "international" policy when the Jewish World Agency was created in October 1928.

It will be well for the reader to bear in mind that, however united a front the Jews may present to the Gentiles, yet among themselves they are divided, and the fight for supremacy and the attainment of world power is less bitter between their various camps than it is among the different sects of Freemasonry.

Rabbi Dr. Leo Bach was the president of the B'nai B'rith of Germany in 1928.

The Grand Master for Russia of the International Order of the B'nai B'rith at the time of the Russian revolution of 1917 was Sliozberg. He was one of the inspirers of Kerensky, the leader of the first revolution of 1917. Alexander Kerensky, real name Aron Kirbiz, Kerensky having been the name of his stepfather, was a member of the Socialist revolutionary party and a 32nd degree Scottish Rites Mason.

There is little doubt now that the B'nai B'rith seems to be the supreme body, shaping and directing for the attainment of its own ends, the policies, what-ever they may be, of all Freemasonry beginning with the Grand Lodge of England, The Grand Orient and Scottish Rites, and ending in the O.T.O, which is Illuminism under another name.

Source: Occult Theocrasy, Edith Miller.

Barbara
11-16-2005, 04:00 PM
Great post IGWT, but we can't debate if we are on the same side!! :lol:

It amazes me that the world at large does not demand debate on the jewish question. I KNOW why the jews don't want debate. The debate would be over in less than an hour and they would lose their "cash cow," the holohoax. That is their not-so-secret weapon by which they will destroy civilization.

They are the No. 1 tool in the Dark Master's tool box.

They would stand convicted of their misdeeds on the world stage while everyone pointed and said they had no clothes! (As with the Emperor)

Allow yourself the joy of imagining how many plots and plans against civilization would suddenly come to light if the jew no longer had special protection.

Imagine the nations kicking off the bonds of Central Banks once they came to understand who owned them and how they worked to bankrupt everyone but their jewish owners.

Religions could begin to right themselves once the "fog" of the impostor state of Israel as containing the chosen of God was removed. They could begin to see readily just which god chose them, the god of this world, the Dark Master.

Can anyone name me one time the jew has been a blessing to anyone but themselves? An unselfish act from which they did not stand to benefit?Think about it.

nomad
11-16-2005, 05:54 PM
Barbara ... I always like to play the devil's

advocate ... now again is it their fault that

the goyim are so stupid ... the non Jews HAVE

to take responsibility for the situation as well.

Barbara
11-16-2005, 07:02 PM
Oh, no doubt about that, Nomad, but having BEEN stupid doesn't mean we have to STAY stupid.

Strangely enough, the jewish reach has always exceeded it's grasp. That has been their downfall many times in history. Always the forgiving stupid goyim let them come back and do them in again.

We can thank Christianity for that. The myth of the "chosen" is evaporating - people are doing as admonished and judging a tree by it's fruit.

The jewish thirst for vengence at any price, usually for someone telling the truth about them or stopping one of their schemes, may find the jew reaching his collective hand into a hornets' nest. They cannot jail us all and those of us that are left will keep sounding the alarm.

When times get bad enough, people will start listening. This time they may not be so forgiving, especially when it becomes clear who the culprits are.

nomad
11-16-2005, 07:59 PM
The Rothschild would love you ... once all the

Jews run to the "holy land" to escape

persecution, they can get rid of all of them in

one move and rule the Earth with no opposition.

Barbara
11-16-2005, 08:14 PM
Puh leeeese, Nomad. You gotta do better than that.

King jew wants to get rid of his cohorts in crime and worker jews?

NOT

madkhao
11-16-2005, 09:18 PM
Can anyone name me one time the jew has been a blessing to anyone but themselves? An unselfish act from which they did not stand to benefit?Think about it.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Barbara, when are you going to stop pointing your finger at everyone unlike you?

You are responsible for your own serenity no matter how bad the world gets.

Where is your faith?

11-16-2005, 09:38 PM
madkhao wrote:
Can anyone name me one time the jew has been a blessing to anyone but themselves? An unselfish act from which they did not stand to benefit?Think about it.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


Barbara, when are you going to stop pointing your finger at everyone unlike you?

You are responsible for your own serenity no matter how bad the world gets.

Where is your faith?

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/Watcher.jpg

Barbara
11-17-2005, 09:18 AM
Madkhao, first of all, I am not a Christian so all your Bible thumping and quoting has no effect on me. Deal with it, or can YOU not deal with those who are unlike you?

Secondly, there are those who say Jesus was not a jew but a Judean. Very few jews had red hair, fair sin and blue eyes in that day and time.

Third, are you saying that God is a jew? The way your quote reads it was God who gave his only begotten sun.

Fourth, assuming that Jesus was a jew in the flesh, his unselfish act occurred nearly 2000 years ago and was one in a row for the jews.

To illustrate the attitude of the jew, when Jesus came first to them they crucified him for his trouble. They are doing the same thing today, ask the Evangelicals.

Last but not least, Toots, don't sweat my serenity, I can be serene after I am dead. As long as I live I will try to awaken my fellow human beings to the danger they face and give them some idea as to who their immediate enemy is.

Not that it is any of your business, but in answer to your question, my faith is in God, right where it belongs, not in man or wo/man or the scribblings of men I did not know and in whom I have no trust. Too much man-handling at the various Councils with ulterior motives.

Here's a suggestion for you, if you don't like me, my attitude, my posts, my finger pointing, etc., then stay away from my posts and, thereby, me. Your attitude is so pollyannaish that it make me cringe. You probably vote, too. Just please don't procreate.

I trust we understand each other now.

As for you, 623542643468, I assume you are showing an overhead view of a pyramid, perhaps suggesting Jesus as the capstone. Not original, but what the hell, that's par for the course.

I refer you to the first line of this reply.

11-17-2005, 09:21 AM
igwt wrote:
By Henry Makow, Ph.D.

While claiming to represent "the interests of the worldwide Jewish Community" the B'nai B'rith is in fact a Masonic Order that represents British Freemasonry, and shifts blame for its Luciferian "world government" agenda onto Jews in general. Thus while pretending to fight anti- Semitism, it actually puts Jews in jeopardy.

The B'nai B'rith has no mandate to represent the Jewish people. But by equating opposition to the globalist agenda with anti-Semitism, it ensures that Jews are blamed for the emerging New World Order.

Savethemales (http://www.savethemales.ca/001211.html)

You ought to check out the whole site

Conspiracy theorists like myself believe modern history reflects a long-term conspiracy by an international financial elite to enslave humanity.

Like blind men examining an elephant, we attribute this conspiracy to Jews, Illuminati, Vatican, Jesuits, Freemasons, Black Nobility, and Bildersbergs etc.

It's actually the bankers (http://www.savethemales.ca/000447.html)

11-17-2005, 09:28 AM
As for us, we show no overhead of a pyramid, we show ourselves and have now made it our self-portrait as igwt suggested. We are no players of this religious game. We are here to watch and comment as we see fit. Invite us to partake in your discussions on a deeper level and we will.

igwt
11-17-2005, 09:29 AM
623542643468 wrote:
As for us, we show no overhead of a pyramid, we show ourselves and have now made it our self-portrait as igwt suggested. We are no players of this religious game. We are here to watch and comment as we see fit. Invite us to partake in your discussions on a deeper level and we will.

What are you?

11-17-2005, 09:42 AM
Regular folk just as you are seeking to help our fellow travelers. We came to this site at the invitation of BlueAngel. We greatly appreciated the invitation.

igwt
11-17-2005, 09:48 AM
623542643468 wrote:
Regular folk just as you are seeking to help our fellow travelers. We came to this site at the invitation of BlueAngel. We greatly appreciated the invitation.
Say hello to BlueAngel :-)

When she coming back?

11-17-2005, 10:11 AM
Sadly, we have no information on this. Her invitation was sufficient for our requirement and we do appreciate that. We can always participate on a closer and more personal level if we are invited. Just a simple rule of courtesy we follow.

igwt
11-17-2005, 10:18 AM
623542643468 wrote:
Sadly, we have no information on this. Her invitation was sufficient for our requirement and we do appreciate that. We can always participate on a closer and more personal level if we are invited. Just a simple rule of courtesy we follow.

Can you elaborate?

Barbara
11-17-2005, 10:43 AM
Bondi, I think just about everybody on this forum is aware that the hierarchy of the New World Order is the real and true enemy. Give me the opportunity with them in my sites and I would gladly and, without a moment's hesitation, take them all out and thereby solve the world's problems.

No doubt they are aware that the majority of informed individuals would gladly do the same thing; therefore they use surrogates, much as the old Soviet Union did. Besides, they are few in number and couldn't directly do diddly without their surrogates.

Let me remind you that you are just as dead if taken out by a surrogate as you would be by one of these above mention cowards. What are we supposed to do, refuse to protect ourselves from these surrogates, telling them that we will wait for a clear shot at the real culprits? I think not.

I am going to disagree with you, IGWT, about the bankers; the very fact that we can see them and know some of their faces and names tells me they are not at the top. They and those of their race are the No. 1 tool in the hierarchy's tool box, that is for sure. They make all the others possible. That is the reason they were chosen for the job. It fits their nature perfectly and they think they will be part of the ruling elite someday.

Sorry, boys, I don't think so. You're expendable. Your grandiose plans for Jerusalem as the center of World Government will ultimately come to nothing, the whole place will end up glowing in the dark for millennia while the Dark Master you have served so faithfully howls with laughter and glee. It's the nature of the Beast. He, too, is a destroyer of the first order. You could take more lessons.

If only all the surrogates could come together and realize who their real enemy is, we wouldn't be having this discussion. There would be no need for it. We would know that we are all in the same chickenwire canoe up Shit Creek without a paddle. The odds of that happening are a gazillion to the tenth power to one. Not good betting odds.

So, on we go, quote:

*Like blind men examining an elephant, we attribute this conspiracy to Jews, Illuminati, Vatican, Jesuits, Freemasons, Black Nobility, and Bilderbergs, etc.*

All tools in the Dark Master's tool box, every one of them.

Shadow boxing, tilting with windmills, whatever, to get through another day, in a situation where the control of our own destiny is at most arm's length. What are our choices?

I have already dealt with the B'nai Brith in an earlier post and will not repeat myself. My opinion of that group and their deeds has not changed. Tools in a tool box.

11-17-2005, 11:04 AM
For us a most interesting comment: the Dark Master you have served so faithfully howls with laughter and glee. It's the nature of the Beast. He, too, is a destroyer of the first order. You could take more lessons.

11-18-2005, 04:22 AM
Barbara wrote:
Bondi, I think just about everybody on this forum is aware that the hierarchy of the New World Order is the real and true enemy. Give me the opportunity with them in my sites and I would gladly and, without a moment's hesitation, take them all out and thereby solve the world's problems.

Go one then. If you know the heirarchy, you know who sits in the seats of power.

Go solve the worlds problems, but then what will you have to complain about?


Barbara wrote:
No doubt they are aware that the majority of informed individuals would gladly do the same thing; therefore they use surrogates, much as the old Soviet Union did. Besides, they are few in number and couldn't directly do diddly without their surrogates.


Which is it that is the problem, the pawns or the kings. You need to make up your mind.

Is it the top of the food chain, or those who feed them.


Barbara wrote:
Let me remind you that you are just as dead if taken out by a surrogate as you would be by one of these above mention cowards.


True dead is dead, regardless of cause.


Barbara wrote:
What are we supposed to do, refuse to protect ourselves from these surrogates, telling them that we will wait for a clear shot at the real culprits? I think not.


What you need to do is stop playing "pin the tail on the donkey" it's all very well pointing the finger at every group you know about, but if these groups are so power hungry and evil, by nature they do not want to share. So which group is the powerful one, which one hungers for supremecy most.

The Nazi regime incorporated racial groups to help tackle the jews and the coloured, but they were not going to share the power, they wished to rule.

By the same principle, if your theory of NWO is true, there will be only one, and not a collective.


Barbara wrote:
I am going to disagree with you, IGWT, about the bankers; the very fact that we can see them and know some of their faces and names tells me they are not at the top.

So you do not know who the NWO is then, would explain the feverent finger pointing, use a machine gun and one bullet will hit the target, you just never know which one from the chamber it was.


Barbara wrote:
If only all the surrogates could come together and realize who their real enemy is, we wouldn't be having this discussion.


Do you think.

If your scenario is correct, and the surrogates stood together, they would become your NWO.

Always the victim, that is the character of the conspiracist.


Barbara wrote:
So, on we go, quote:

*Like blind men examining an elephant, we attribute this conspiracy to Jews, Illuminati, Vatican, Jesuits, Freemasons, Black Nobility, and Bilderbergs, etc.*


As the saying goes, "infinite monkeys would type the entire works of shakespeare.



Barbara wrote:
All tools in the Dark Master's tool box, every one of them.


So who is, are, the Dark Masters. A simple acronym doesn't count as an answer.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 11:49 AM
In the short time I have been posting on CC, I have seen assholes like you come and go. Those jerks who take up space with their specious comments or ravings, who have nothing constructive to offer except their limited comic relief. You are not even funny.

When "Bondi" disappears, another nick will appear. Too bad no one has yet invented an insecticide for computers to get rid of pests like you.

It is my opinion that the best way to treat with agitators and interrupters like you is to ignore them and anything they post. To attempt to enter into a debate with those like you is, on it's face, a waste of time and good space because your intent is simply to be a pain in the ass.

Your intellect, or lack thereof, prevents you from even being good at that. Just a nuisance, much like cockroaches, but then that insults the lowly cockroach.

Pick this apart as much as you like, it will keep you out of the pool halls and off the streets. When your short attention span causes you to tire of that, take the razor blades your mother gave you and go play on the freeway.

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Consider yourself ignored.

Thumper
11-18-2005, 12:21 PM
Barbara, I'm not denying that Jews are instrumental in the NWO, but how can we know that the the NWO serves Jewish interests and is a Jewish 'supremacist' group especially with all the pogroms and holocausts? And what about giving away of the Gaza strip that almost separates Israel in two?

Satan knows how the story ends. He just wants to take as many people down with the ship as possible.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 02:20 PM
Thumper, the pogroms you refer to were simply a reacton to the machinations of jews among native populations. A survival response on the part of those people, if you will.

What would your response be if your house were infested by rattlesnakes? Would you try to sit down with them and explain to them that you want to live and try to find some common ground whereby you could peacefully co-exist? How successful do you think you would be?

For you and your family to live in that house, you would have to clear out the rattlesnakes as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

As to the question involving holocausts, to date, there has not been even one single "holocaust" perpetrated against the jews. More lies to keep people blind to the truth, BTW, the definition of holocaust is destruction by fire or a sacrifice completely consumed by fire.

For goodness sake, READ!!! The evidence is out there, provided by brave men like Ernst Zundel, Gemar Rudolf, Robert Faurisson, David Irving and so many more!! Why else do you think the jews, working through the captive German, Austrian, U.S., Canadian, etc., governments have these people in jail for "thought crimes?"

The jews greatest enemy is and always has been the truth. Only lies can cover their dastardly Satanic acts down through history.

Surely you cannot still be unaware of their true history but, if so, let me recommend a good book that will answer all your questions. It is "The Riddle of the Jew's Success," by F. Roderich-Stoltheim, written in 1927. It is a history book, with no polemiics on the part of the author.

This book was banned and burned in Germany after the war but, as with all truth, copies remained in other countries and it as been translated and reissued for sale. Personally, I think you can see God's hand moving in this.

It was available on Amazon until a screener for the ADL had it removed. Beware book burners and banners, they have much to hide. Beware of those with the power to force governments to make laws stiffling debate on ANY subject, they have much to hide. They cannot abide the truth and glory in lies, teir very existance is made possible by lies.

As to the smoke and mirrors surrounding the "giveaway" of the Gaza Strip, all of the land now called Israel was 99% stolen/robbed from the Palestinian people who owned it. Lord Rothchild started what he called his Kasar settlements in the first quarter of the last century and warned the British who were in controll of Palestine at that time to keep their hands off them. Like obedient servants, the British did just that.

The Gaza strip is simply one big concentration camp for Palestinians. The IDF shoots Palestinians there like fish in a barrel and torment the residents with sonic booms from low-flying Israeli jets on a daily basis, causing everyting from nosebleeds to dementia and death, especially in children. Israel cuts off the power and water supply to the Gaza strip, thereby punishing the Palesenians for living.

Jews serve jews' interest. Today, as I've said seems like a hundred times, the jews and their organizations like the International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, political action committees and other jewish organizations, fifth columnists inside governments, etc., are the number one tool in the NWO tool box.

If you cannot yet see this, then you have to keep researching. See how money makes most things happen, or not. Power comes about as the result of having absolute control over the world's fiat debt money system.

Slowly but surely the truth is coming to light, but will it be in time save the world? I don't think so, too little time left.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 02:25 PM
Dr. Faurisson is not yet in jail, I erroneously included him in with Zundel, Rudolf and Irving to mean that his works should be included in theirs for learning true history.

Thumper
11-18-2005, 06:03 PM
Barbara wrote:
Thumper, the pogroms you refer to were simply a reacton to the machinations of jews among native populations. A survival response on the part of those people, if you will.

I think it can also be argued that the Jews were set up. Just look at the middle east and how you had Jewish minority populations residing in Iraq for literally a thousand years in relative harmony, and now suddenly 'Zionism' is the new buzzword, and they want the Jews off the face of earth.

What would your response be if your house were infested by rattlesnakes? Would you try to sit down with them and explain to them that you want to live and try to find some common ground whereby you could peacefully co-exist? How successful do you think you would be?

For you and your family to live in that house, you would have to clear out the rattlesnakes as quickly and thoroughly as possible.

While I don't consider all Jews bad, you do have a point there. It's unfortunate that many of them choose professions that are 'parasitical' to society, such bankers, pornographers, psychiatrists, etc.

Of course the ideal situation would be that we all have our independent nation states so don't have to 'accomodate' anyone.

As to the question involving holocausts, to date, there has not been even one single "holocaust" perpetrated against the jews. More lies to keep people blind to the truth, BTW, the definition of holocaust is destruction by fire or a sacrifice completely consumed by fire.

I dunno if I'd go that far Barbara. I go with what Myron Fagan said, a Jew himself, where the actual numbers were around 600,000. :-o But maybe you could convince me.

For goodness sake, READ!!! The evidence is out there, provided by brave men like Ernst Zundel, Gemar Rudolf, Robert Faurisson, David Irving and so many more!! Why else do you think the jews, working through the captive German, Austrian, U.S., Canadian, etc., governments have these people in jail for "thought crimes?"

The jews greatest enemy is and always has been the truth. Only lies can cover their dastardly Satanic acts down through history.

I used to think this way too, but Dr. Makow said it best when he suggested that this was extremely sophisticated provocation from the NWO. We have to remember that everything is designed to provoke a reaction.

Is the ACLU really acting in the best Jewish interests by attacking things like Christmas, but never drawing attention to Palestinian terrorist attacks? What better way to cement hatred towards all Jews by equating opposition to the NWO with anti-semitism? It doesn't make sense.

I really suggest you get both sides of the story, Barb. WNism is a good primer for getting the skinny on the Joos, but that's just half the story. I've started listening to an Israeli radio station and when you hear about how their government has betrayed them, it'll give you some perspective about how the whole human race is being played by the NWO, including the Jews.

http://www.israelnationalradio.com/

(I listen to Tamar Yonah)

Surely you cannot still be unaware of their true history but, if so, let me recommend a good book that will answer all your questions. It is "The Riddle of the Jew's Success," by F. Roderich-Stoltheim, written in 1927. It is a history book, with no polemiics on the part of the author.

This book was banned and burned in Germany after the war but, as with all truth, copies remained in other countries and it as been translated and reissued for sale. Personally, I think you can see God's hand moving in this.

hmmm, interesting. I'll look into that. But what if it's just like another Protocols type book that uses the Jews as a lightning rod?

It was available on Amazon until a screener for the ADL had it removed. Beware book burners and banners, they have much to hide. Beware of those with the power to force governments to make laws stiffling debate on ANY subject, they have much to hide. They cannot abide the truth and glory in lies, teir very existance is made possible by lies.

As to the smoke and mirrors surrounding the "giveaway" of the Gaza Strip, all of the land now called Israel was 99% stolen/robbed from the Palestinian people who owned it. Lord Rothchild started what he called his Kasar settlements in the first quarter of the last century and warned the British who were in controll of Palestine at that time to keep their hands off them. Like obedient servants, the British did just that.

The Gaza strip is simply one big concentration camp for Palestinians. The IDF shoots Palestinians there like fish in a barrel and torment the residents with sonic booms from low-flying Israeli jets on a daily basis, causing everyting from nosebleeds to dementia and death, especially in children. Israel cuts off the power and water supply to the Gaza strip, thereby punishing the Palesenians for living.

Jews serve jews' interest. Today, as I've said seems like a hundred times, the jews and their organizations like the International Monetary Fund, Federal Reserve, political action committees and other jewish organizations, fifth columnists inside governments, etc., are the number one tool in the NWO tool box.

If you cannot yet see this, then you have to keep researching. See how money makes most things happen, or not. Power comes about as the result of having absolute control over the world's fiat debt money system.

Slowly but surely the truth is coming to light, but will it be in time save the world? I don't think so, too little time left.

good point to ponder, Barbara, thanks :-(

Barbara
11-18-2005, 07:16 PM
Thumper, again repeating myself, the Eastern Roman Empire, it's culture intact, it's people at peace, lasted 1,000 years longer than did the Western Roman Empire for three reasons:

1. The jews living there, in peace, were forbidden any form of money changing, lending or banking activity.

2. The jews living there, in peace, were forbidden to take part in government.

3. The jews living there, in peace, were forbidden from teaching in the centers of education and learning.

Again I will say that manifestations of what is today dubbed "anti-semitism" is simply a survival instinct coming to the fore against a very real threat.

Thumper, I don't listen to Israeli OR American radio, I don't need the propaganda.

I have a library of books of my own, only a thousand or so now because I gave so many to friends when I moved here from Texas, and I assure you I have a very good understanding of history.

You say the jew has been set up. That would have to mean that the nasty old NWO was at work setting them up from the beginning of recorded time because their nature and actions have not changed appreciably since recorded history began.

freeman
11-18-2005, 07:40 PM
Sorry, Barbara, but I have to agree with Thumper on this one.
Jews may be overrepresented in the conspiracy, they may have been involved in it longer than any other single group including my fraternal friends, but to suggest that they are the highest level players and the pinnacle of the pyramid is to insult the very deviousness with which you credit them. Why, oh why would they leave themselves so exposed and visible in areas like banking, politics, legal and medical professions, in virtually every powerful and influential position where they can provoke the hatred and disrespect of the profane goyim?
They would have to be an entire culture of idiot savants to fulfill that scenario.
They are the ultimate scapegoats inasmuch as they are the ultimate oppressors simultaneously; and if you could wipe them all off the face of the earth tomorrow, nothing would change. The Evil One would just find someone else to do his bidding.

Barbara
11-18-2005, 07:49 PM
well, the job is certainly filled.

The right peeople for the job are in place.

Finally, we can agree. :-?

55132
11-18-2005, 07:53 PM
I beleive that Christians who belive the holocoust have not read the bible. all Christian belive that the hebrews had a special relationship with God that still is on going dispite the fact that the present hebrews are for the most part anti God or serve satan.

the bibile states that God will punish his people if they got out of line like they did many times in the old scriptures so if the holocoust did exist it could have only been God aligning his people and therefore we could not condem it however there is no proof of mass genocide so to many of us it is just a hoax constructed to serve the zionist agenda.

now as much as i despise jewdom and there actions i fully reconize the hebrew's God given right to the land and to the full share of Gods promise to them. But i know that Gods promise is not for the zionist nor the talmudic kabala lover.

So we must be carefull (and i include myself) of not confusing Gods hebrews and the statanic jews, The real hebrews live among them.

lets talk freely about what happened what is happening and will happen and yes lets blame those that are to blame but let us not become party to the powers that be by becoming less descrimiate and start accusing any that carry the torah.

This does not mean that we cannot wack a jew or hebrew if he had it comming on a personal level (after using up you cheeks)

remeber that dr markow is one of them and at the same time one of us

Barbara
11-18-2005, 09:18 PM
55132, I'm so glad you stated your post the way you did. The present day jew is NOT the Biblical Hebrew. Those people were never called jews but Judah. Today's jews are 99% Kasars who adopted the jewish teachings and were circumcized around 800 AD.

The "right of return" does not apply to them. Check out Dr. Makow's website, I'm pretty sure he has written on this subject before.

In the Bible it is written that, in the last days, God would call forth the tribe of Judah, which included Benjamin and Levi, and join it together with the 10 tribes of Israel to form one "stick." Then and only then would He give them a land of their own again.

Better still, read Exekiel 37:15-28. It is all laid out there.

The present day state of Israel is a counterfit of the Homeland that is to come. Ironic though it may seem, probably the bulk of the Biblical Hebrews are to be found amongst the Palestinians. The Devil does love a good joke, doesn't he?

So as not to run under any false flags, I am not Christian but I have studied the Bible and know it fairly well. You'd be surprised how many Christians have NO IDEA what is in their Bible.

Keep that open attitude, 55132, it has been most enjoyable reading your post and discussing this with you.

psholtz
11-18-2005, 09:28 PM
nomad wrote:
Barbara ... I always like to play the devil's

advocate ... now again is it their fault that

the goyim are so stupid ... the non Jews HAVE

to take responsibility for the situation as well.
Don't confuse honesty w/ stupidity, nomad..

Just b/c (at least some) goyim have a code of honor by which they choose to live, and just b/c there are others who may choose to exploit that, does not mean that they're "stupid", nor does it mean that they are ignorant of the treachery that is brewing about ..

Shakespeare said it best: "I like not fair terms, and a villian's mind"..

Thumper
11-19-2005, 12:47 AM
has anyone noticed the backlash with the Irving arrest in Austria? I peruse a few forums and people are reacting negatively to it. Again, 'anti-semitism' used as an excuse to stifle free speech is causing more Jewish hatred.

Barbara
11-19-2005, 01:34 AM
This is not the first time their reach has exceeded their grasp.

They never learn.

freeman
11-19-2005, 05:57 AM
They've kept it out of the American lamestream media so far...wonder if that will be enough?

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 09:18 AM
Again, 'anti-semitism' used as an excuse to stifle free speech is causing more Jewish hatred.

This is easy fixed.

Time for the freakin "Joooooooooooooooooze" ( i am so sick of talking about the silly little Satan worshippers) STOOD UP!!!!!!!! and decryed and spoke out against these arrests!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem will be solved.

But "Da Jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeeeeeeee eeeeeee" seem not able to note the difference between content and the right to express that content. Except Chomsky of course and our dear Henry.

God i am sick of hearing those freakin words..."The Jews".

Anti-semitism will end when Joooooooooooooooooozzzzzzzzzzzzzzeeeee stand up and call for an end to the bullshit. They dont so they will get what they deserve. Between them and the stupid Muzzies i'm sick of the whole subject. The idiots have obtained a notoriety beyond their chutzpah!

Why is it they're all up for revoloution and defending against the evil conservative state but they cant get up the guts to speak out against this shit?

freeman
11-19-2005, 09:36 AM
Why is it they're all up for revoloution and defending against the evil conservative state but they cant get up the guts to speak out against this shit?

You noticed that, too?
Kind of clues one in on who is behind the revolution and the subsequent agenda, doesn't it?

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 09:37 AM
A letter to Leon.

Dear Leon,

You claim you were an IDF fighter pilot. Your family live in Israel. You have a very strong Australian accent...why is that?

You now work for the ADI - Australian Defence Industries. You have just written the code for Oz's new Collins Class subs weapons and sensor syatems. I've seen all the pics you took of the inside. Very nice. Apparently you dont give a shit who knows. Why is that? Feeling confident? Our subs are fitted out with Israeli modified weapons and sensor systems as the Yanks wont let us work on their version with out sending it back. How long before your mates in Israel sell the info to the Chinese for a dollar?

You shy away from talk about computers and work. You defend the right of Israel to exist. I also believe pilots in the IDF are recruited from the Elite of the Zionist club. You hate the Arabs. Your family are ardent (read nutty) settlers.

Where are your loyalties? With this land of sport loving slobs? Or elsewhere? Are you a Mossad man Leon? A sayanan?

You are regarded as a nice guy. You seem so. Your wife is a hoot. I met her over lunch. She's an Aussie.

You went with my friend to an Airshow today, just outside Perth. Here's one of the B1 bombers from the U.S.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/B1.jpg

Here is you with face blurred. Thats a nice t-shirt Leon. I like the bit on the front.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Blurred.jpg

Here is the box that the bottle shop man was putting my alcoholic beverages into just before meeting you.

http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga/Eye.jpg

Is God trying to tell me something?

I would kindly ask the Australian Federal Police to stop following me around and kindly avail themselves of the info here on the conflicting loyalties of highly placed defence force personel. Then you can actually do something useful and run the Zionist scum out of this country. Now!

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 09:54 AM
You noticed that, too?
Kind of clues one in on who is behind the revolution and the subsequent agenda, doesn't it?

Why FREEMAN, i simply dont know who you're referring too. :roll:

11-19-2005, 10:02 AM
Not God.

Thumper
11-19-2005, 11:41 AM
Barbara wrote:
This is not the first time their reach has exceeded their grasp.

They never learn.Barbara, imagine what the reaction would be if the powers that be started publicly arresting people like Alex Jones or anyone else who ever mentioned "New World Order" or the banking cartel.

If they're smart enough to not raise a stink everytime the "official story" was challenged to validate the patriots, why would the Jews be this dumb? :-P

Barbara
11-19-2005, 05:42 PM
Oh, let me think, Thumper, hmmmmm.

Genetics, maybe, greed, powerhungry, boastful now that they think they have everything sewn up and locked down tightly.

They may be a little surprised that the sheep and cattle dare to still make noise but, bet the farm, they do not fear us.

There are many reasons, but you would have to be a jew yourself to know for sure.

Ask one of them. I'm not jewish, fancy that!!

Overlord
11-19-2005, 06:31 PM
It's a very sad opinion to have and reeks of hatred. All this and reading from all the other threads spewing so much contempt reminds me exactly of the eagerness to follow a mental idea of one special people being better ot worse than another in the Balkans.

But as it has been said; That which you seek, you shall find.

Meaning: If you get your info from the internet, where every fable and possible alternative has been jotted down in alarming detail, and you spend hours every day searching for it... voilá!

You'll find what you're looking for. If you are a Jew-hater, as many on this forum clearly are, then you will get your need filled sooner or later.

There is no point in debating hate. Hate feeds on itself.

I am a somewhat successful businessman, not Jewish, though, and have dealt for many many years with extremely powerful people all over the world. The only thing that strike me about them is that many are afraid and lonely, obsessed with work to protect them from social life.

Many of the texts, like for instance the "Scrolls of Zion" and similar writings, that keep cropping up here as references on the forum, are actually clumsy and badly written copies of other works, like the Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, for instance.

It is very impressive, the time you spend researching web-sites and David Irving, but it is a totally incomprehensive conclusion that you holocaust-deniers take. It truly is.

Therefore, it cannot be debated.

Personally I am faced with a much larger and more real conspiracy, that of the Religious global movement, of fundamental christians, muslim, jewish and hindu, as well as non-religous fundamentalism like that of the capitalist non-regulation movement all cooperating without understanding it to destroy the world - and THAT is a REAL one. It is very dangerous, and it is increasing. It is not a conspiracy guided by a group of people, it is guided by the lack of communication and self-obsession inherent in man. It is being fed by the desperation ond fear of poverty that we are all constantly faced with. Even when we are not close to it.

Just like the madness of the crusades, the conquistadors and the inquisition, we see the ignorance of communication today.

Can't you see?

55132
11-19-2005, 06:36 PM
Barbara wrote:
55132, I'm so glad you stated your post the way you did. The present day jew is NOT the Biblical Hebrew. Those people were never called jews but Judah. Today's jews are 99% Kasars who adopted the jewish teachings and were circumcized around 800 AD.

The "right of return" does not apply to them. Check out Dr. Makow's website, I'm pretty sure he has written on this subject before.

In the Bible it is written that, in the last days, God would call forth the tribe of Judah, which included Benjamin and Levi, and join it together with the 10 tribes of Israel to form one "stick." Then and only then would He give them a land of their own again.

Better still, read Exekiel 37:15-28. It is all laid out there.

The present day state of Israel is a counterfit of the Homeland that is to come. Ironic though it may seem, probably the bulk of the Biblical Hebrews are to be found amongst the Palestinians. The Devil does love a good joke, doesn't he?

So as not to run under any false flags, I am not Christian but I have studied the Bible and know it fairly well. You'd be surprised how many Christians have NO IDEA what is in their Bible.

Keep that open attitude, 55132, it has been most enjoyable reading your post and discussing this with you.

HI B,

True Hebrew Israli blood can be found all over the world specialy among the mediteranean basin which include all southern europa, their descendants in south america the antilles. I am sure that among the muslim there may millions and even many kazars could have the right Godly genetic material.

The book of revelation tells us that at the end times 144,000 virgen hebrew men will have the task of preching the coming Gods kingdom to earth.

The world dictaor that will rule at the time will try to stop them but they will be inmune to any attack. In fact many people will here the message and revolt against this final dictator (Lucifer himself)

Then this dictator will kill millions before the celestial armies come and put an end to the iluminati kingdom.

11-19-2005, 06:45 PM
Overlord wrote:
It's a very sad opinion to have and reeks of hatred. All this and reading from all the other threads spewing so much contempt reminds me exactly of the eagerness to follow a mental idea of one special people being better ot worse than another in the Balkans.

But as it has been said; That which you seek, you shall find.

Meaning: If you get your info from the internet, where every fable and possible alternative has been jotted down in alarming detail, and you spend hours every day searching for it... voilá!

You'll find what you're looking for. If you are a Jew-hater, as many on this forum clearly are, then you will get your need filled sooner or later.

There is no point in debating hate. Hate feeds on itself.

I am a somewhat successful businessman, not Jewish, though, and have dealt for many many years with extremely powerful people all over the world. The only thing that strike me about them is that many are afraid and lonely, obsessed with work to protect them from social life.

Many of the texts, like for instance the "Scrolls of Zion" and similar writings, that keep cropping up here as references on the forum, are actually clumsy and badly written copies of other works, like the Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, for instance.

It is very impressive, the time you spend researching web-sites and David Irving, but it is a totally incomprehensive conclusion that you holocaust-deniers take. It truly is.

Therefore, it cannot be debated.

Personally I am faced with a much larger and more real conspiracy, that of the Religious global movement, of fundamental christians, muslim, jewish and hindu, as well as non-religous fundamentalism like that of the capitalist non-regulation movement all cooperating without understanding it to destroy the world - and THAT is a REAL one. It is very dangerous, and it is increasing. It is not a conspiracy guided by a group of people, it is guided by the lack of communication and self-obsession inherent in man. It is being fed by the desperation ond fear of poverty that we are all constantly faced with. Even when we are not close to it.

Just like the madness of the crusades, the conquistadors and the inquisition, we see the ignorance of communication today.

Can't you see?

We see, but can you not see that nothing is accidental or of coincidence. The very structure that supports your realm is a precision of such magnitude that you call it chaos. It is only chaos to earthly minds. You are all that calls yourself the supreme creation. Each tick of your time you are used and fed upon. Your world is in quarantine and bounded by barriers you will never cross in your present form. When you were introduced to this pleasant word your corruption became apparent. Each day there are those who make ready for a final legal filtering of this segment of creation. Hate is of fear and in the case of humanity there is much to fear.

this
11-19-2005, 06:55 PM
OL wrote: It is very impressive, the time you spend researching web-sites and David Irving, but it is a totally incomprehensive conclusion that you holocaust-deniers take. It truly is.

Therefore, it cannot be debated.


Try it, you might like it. There's a theory that the more suppressed a thought or feeling is (the more a person is in denial) the more afraid they are that what they fear might just be true.


Personally I am faced with a much larger and more real conspiracy, that of the Religious global movement, of fundamental christians, muslim, jewish and hindu, as well as non-religous fundamentalism like that of the capitalist non-regulation movement all cooperating without understanding it to destroy the world - and THAT is a REAL one.


What is this 'capitalist non-regulation movement' you speak of?


It is very dangerous, and it is increasing. It is not a conspiracy guided by a group of people, it is guided by the lack of communication


But you apparently depise communication - what gives OL?


and self-obsession inherent in man. It is being fed by the desperation ond fear of poverty that we are all constantly faced with. Even when we are not close to it.


Would that have something to do with capital regulation?


Just like the madness of the crusades, the conquistadors and the inquisition, we see the ignorance of communication today.



How are you contributing to our collection of ignorance when speaking so vaguely?


Can't you see?

11-19-2005, 07:16 PM
What you fear is true and you have been warned of it for over 6000 years. The school term is coming to an end and you will be faced with graduation or failure. The universe was not placed here for you to endlessly debate your place in it and who on your little world is at fault. You are babes in the nursery and your capabilities are severely limited. The ANIMALS of your world are indeed better than you. Argue, war, death, the asinine belief that the creator of the universe could do no better than you leather bags of fecal matter and urine. Tolerance for you is running low and some of you may proclaim to be the devils advocate, but even your real advocate is growing weary.

truebeliever
11-19-2005, 08:23 PM
THIS! I am impressed! It seems I can take the day off! Nah, stuff that, we'll tag team him...

Only joking OVERLORD.

Wow! You are the archetypal "informed, but not really informed" lackey that the Elite REALLY love! What you say comes accross as PERFECTLY reasonable and 5-6 years ago I was saying EXACTLY the same thing! This little peice is the "creme de la creme" of you're well written, well thought out peace...

"Personally I am faced with a much larger and more real conspiracy, that of the Religious global movement, of fundamental christians, muslim, jewish and hindu..."

Yes, i guess we should ban religion and replace it with a more "rational" form of Earthly worship. Say, hmmmm, i dont know; hey! How about secular humanism? It used to be called "Dialectical Materialism" but thats all in the past.;-)

..."as well as non-religous fundamentalism like that of the capitalist non-regulation movement all cooperating without understanding it to destroy the world."

I guess international binding agreements will be needed to curb the excesses of the "free market"? These agreements will require enforcement to ensure a more "balanced" and "managed" world. Which organization will that be? Who financed the setting up of that same organization? Who are the funders of the Universities where the "economic rationalist" drivel comes from that you say must be curbed? They are the same. Are you getting it?

"It is not a conspiracy guided by a group of people, it is guided by the lack of communication and self-obsession inherent in man".

Yes, humans. They are pesky anoying things and more trouble than they're worth. How about a population reduction? That should help things become more "stable" and "managed"?

Lack of communication? Well i've got an idea! Lets provide a forum where everyone can meet and give that forum enough power to enforce laws that prevent these "pesky" humans from messing things up. What do you think?

"...self-obsession inherent in man." Hmmmm, i dont know if it's a given as the human race would never have survived 5 minutes if it was not capable of great love and empathy for fellow humans and even nature in general. Co-operation I would have thought was the order of the day. Have a look outside your window...still, you may be right so I guess we have again another excuse to cull the pesky bastards?

On the point of "self obsessed man"...have YOU ever started a war? Have you EVER enforced an embargo on a country of innocents killing millions? My friend, there are indeed "self obsessed" humans. That is the ELITE! The MOVERS and the SHAKERS who with a phone call subvert governments, condemn millions to death and suffering and foist evil satanic movements on the world through the use of PROPAGANDA and the high tech media machine. My neighbours are lovely and decent people. How are yours?

"It's a very sad opinion to have and reeks of hatred".

If I said I hated Hitler...would that be o.k?

"All this and reading from all the other threads spewing so much contempt reminds me exactly of the eagerness to follow a mental idea of one special people being better ot worse than another in the Balkans."

Really? And what would you know of the Balkans and the forces behind it? I happen to mix heavily in the Serb community here in West Oz. My friend runs a "Serb Night" where people from ALL over the balkans come including MANY Croations. They dance and drink in peace. I hear first hand accounts of the carnage REAL and the BULLSHIT made up from the LAMESTREAM media. For instance, a friend tells me how while watching the news he hears that ethnic violence has broken out in his home city. Fearing the worst he rings his Mother who laughs at the absurd media reporting as the city is COMPLETELY quiet and people are dancing in the srteets. That is just ONE small part of the bullshit of the Balkans so you must be careful on just where you get your info. This does not bode well for your ability to debate here as you will be using BULLSHIT media sources which include even the venerated less commercial stations and newspapers.

Meaning: If you get your info from the internet, where every fable and possible alternative has been jotted down in alarming detail, and you spend hours every day searching for it... voilá!

Are you saying the internet is "worthless shit" when it comes to information? That famous dickhead from the NYT called the Internet a "sewer". That is real cheap coming from one of the cocksuckers who supported a war on outright lies when they knew them to be so. It is the INTERNET that has exposed the bullshit of Bush and his Bolshevick cable! We knew it was bullshit the day it happened. Where were YOUR venerated sources? Bullshit takes many forms and the Church elders; as Luthar was condemning the Catholic Church for it's excess's, were CONDEMNING the cursed PRINTING PRESS as EXACTLY the same thing! POWER does NOT like competition for the minds of the masses.

"You'll find what you're looking for. If you are a Jew-hater, as many on this forum clearly are.."

Maybe it's genetic? Perhaps if we cull enough of the "Jew Haters" and identify them via DNA screening we can rid the world of this pesky disease? What if I "hate" polititions? Should we screen for the "hate gene" their? Why do you think this particular people who base their lives on a particular writing['s] seem to get hated WHEREVER they go for the last 3000 years or so? Is that the time around which the gene began expressing itself? How about Jesus? He hated "The Jews" too! He even threw a good portion of them out onto the street and called them the "children of Satan". Hmph! It seems even JC will need screening. He was so full of HATE he even used a whip! What a nasty peice of work! Boy did they need Prozac in those days to keep people calm! Thank God those good natured and jolly Pharisees dispensed with him before his ideas could catch on...

My friend is a senior medical scientist. Maybe we can come up with some screening questions to begin the cull of the "Jew Haters". What of your hatred for "Jew Haters"? We might have to screen for that too. Cant have people getting all emotional...they may begin thinking and asking relevant questions as to why the world is the way it is and just who are the mix of freaks pushing a basically "occult/Satanic" agenda. Whoops! Cant say that! Cant mention religion can i OVERLORD? he he he he.

"There is no point in debating hate. Hate feeds on itself."

Really? I prefer vigerous debate filled with "facts and figures" with the occasional emotional outburst. I take it you just prefer silence?

"The only thing that strike me about them is that many are afraid and lonely, obsessed with work to protect them from social life.

Thats what you get when you're a "Dialectical Materialist" - "Economic Rationalist" - "Manager". When you subserve yourself to power and conformity and deny the TRUTH and the spiritual, then you get depressed. The soul, the Anima cannot take this harsh materialist world.

One can only be subservient to God and God alone. That takes guts. Something a "conformist" manager has none of.

A true Capitalist is a go getter. A risk taker. An ideas man! Who puts his OWN money and ideas on the line...not someone elses. He COMPETES not for power but for business. The "powerful" people you speak of are NOT "business men" they are "bean counters" masquerading as Capitalists. They are numbers men obsessed with spreadsheets and reducing or ELIMINATING risk because they are gutless toadies at base. I dont blame them. Who wants to starve on the margins? The "powerful" people you speak of are in fact "Socialists in Capitalist Drag..." maintaining power positions and power relationships to eliminate competition and risk. Every time I see a suit I see a boy pretending to be a man, who's only attribute is "subservience" to POWER! That is o.k. But dont let them speak of themselves as being anything other than "lackeys" who's job it is to buy out and destroy the go getter small time competition. Bill Gates is a prime example.

"Many of the texts, like for instance the "Scrolls of Zion" and similar writings, that keep cropping up here as references on the forum, are actually clumsy and badly written copies of other works, like the Dialogues in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, for instance."

I agree. However, awfully strange that The Protocols mimic EXACTLY the unfolding we see before us today? Also, who is to say that the authors were who we think they were and simply copied from the relevant texts? When Hitler wrote "Mein Kampf", will we say it is a forgery because he borrowed heavily from other works? And as for writing things down...just go to a "think tank" site and peruse their plans for world take over. The darling of the Globalists at the Pentagon (Thomas Barnett) tells EXACTLY how International forces will take over the world using American cannon fodder in the first phase of Imperial Mobilization to bring the planet under a "one world government". He says it! Straight to you're face on a publicly available DVD which I have. Why should we doubt the Protocols? Power mad people are exactly that. Power Mad.

"...but it is a totally incomprehensive conclusion that you holocaust-deniers take."

The evidence is simply OVERWHELMING. The central doctrine of the "Holocaust", especially the use of "homicidal gas chambers" is SO absurd when the evidence is ACTUALLY looked at that you are left wondering how such bullshit has lasted so long.

I will repost ESPECIALLY for YOU on my little web site, a doco made by an athiest Jew named David Cole where he refutes one by one, on site at Auswitch, the ridiculous claims of the "Holohoax". It is only ONE of many excellent exposes made by people who's ONLY interest is the TRUTH. Again, get back to me and i will repost that in two parts in windows media format.

If you are interested in the TRUTH and debate then you will take me up...but I do not like my time wasted so please be sincere.

"Just like the madness of the crusades, the conquistadors and the inquisition, we see the ignorance of communication today."

It is NOT about communication. It is about people utilizing ONLY the propaganda of the powers of the day. You my friend are it's unwitting victim as we speak.

You are intelligent and worth spending time on. Stick around and forget the bullshit of the MSM. They are "owned" and have an agenda. Whether privately owned or privately owned through foundations and political pressure...they are "owned" and persue a specific agenda.

That is One World Government under the auspiciouses of the United Nations utilizing as it's "values base" NOT the Western Christian tenants that UNDERPIN Western Democracy but the banker inspired ideology of Secular Humanism...formerly "Dialectical Materialism" as espoused by the Satanist's Marx and Engels who were Elite funded...Marx is buried in Highgate cemetary. You try getting buried there.

There is plenty of info and links on this site to convince you. If you do not take up the offer to learn how the world works then do not have the fucking gall to insinuate that this forum is populated by a bunch of religious, intolerant whacko's. There are a couple...the 538428426 "nick" for one. That is a bipolar nutter. Ignore him.

Look forward to debating.

Regards,

Jew Hater.

11-19-2005, 08:34 PM
There are a couple...the 538428426 "nick" for one. That is a bipolar nutter. Ignore him.

NICK is right. We enjoy your hate.

Overlord
11-21-2005, 09:05 PM
Truebeliever again!

I am flattered, you have really put a lot of effort into this alter ego that you have.

I must put something straight here, you mention Dialectic Materialism in the same breath as Secular Humanism, and this is a complete conflict of subjects.

The Dialectic materialism describes the conflict between the undescribable reality and the need for communication between individuals (put alarmingly short).

The Secular Humanism is, commonly accepted as, the Atheist belief in the single human's quest for meaning in an altruist sense, which, of course, is intellectually very sound.

I do not see the connection you refer to, even though I can make up several via some rather time-consuming references. We are not here to battle over philosophical knowledge, are we? I did that over many years of University and it never amounted to anything.

Furthermore, it must be accepted that in order to be free, as an indiviual, you need an organization to support your freedom, a regulated system that protects your freedom. The neo-liberal idea that capitalism is a perfect system is very dangerous and unfortunately also a very attractive idea. As all other theories it looks wonderfully beautiful, except for the fact that nothing starts from Zero. All types of endeavours always start aquilter, later or earlier than another. Therefore there is an inbuilt injustice in all types of capitalist systems. This, unchecked, leads automatically to syndicated mafia-like monopolies and ineffective distribution-systems. It is a great problem in countries suffering the absolute adoptions of the early regulations of the IMF, for instance. Argentina is a great example of that.

My connection to the Balkan area and the information I have is most probably far greater than you would ever be able to get hold of, not only because of what I consider to be excellent sources but because of the extensive work I have done in this region. I have spent a great deal of time in Mostar and Sarajevo over a period of some years and even though I still have great difficulties because of it, I do not wish it undone.

And, yes,Truebeliever althrough it would be better if you were Unbeliever, the internet is 95% shit and the rest is tenable. There is so much crap that it is beyond belief. And there is so much even greater crap being built over that original crap and people believe just about anything because they have already decided what to believe and then google for stuff that supports that belief. People don't want the TRUTH! A truthseeker is never to be trusted. There is no truth, just people. People that want something. You want something. They want something. You won't tell the truth if it didn't gain you. Nobody would. People want their belly scratched like it was scratched by mom and dad. That's how humans work. I don't believe in anything, I just do things instead. I don't trust myself to tell the truth because sometimes it's just too pointless and meaningless. The most awful things happen for just no good reason, and that's too horrible to realize.

See, I've broken my leg so I sit here writing pointlessly on this website.

Regarding your absolutely AWFUL signature (I know, trying to be Ironic.. it's just not funny, makes me sick even though I'm used to it), it's not a discussion. If you see the actual evidence and read the SS-files, if you talk to friends whose uncles and aunts disappeared in those camps, what is there to discuss? You are living in a strange world. David Irving is admired by scholars and historians, yes, even I admired him in his early career, NOT because he was telling the truth, but because he has the amazing knack of finding documents and pieces of evidence that nobody else would think of. But his conclusions and his haphazard statements are still absolutely false and totally without merit. I followed his trial very closely and was shocked at how an intelligent person so could make a total fool out of himself. It is no wonder he lost. It was a self-goal. He thought he could bully her like so many others.

If you think Christianity is UNDERPINNING society then you are seriously in trouble.

If you actually read the bible with open eyes, you will see that GW is doing exactly what Jesus is telling him and all other christians to do. That is probably the most appaling of all, the fact that humanity have been decieved to believe that Jesus is benign and compassionate. It is right there in front of you and you refuse to see it. That he is the epitome of benevolence and compassion is the greatest literary and religious mass-hallucinatory sleight-of-hand of all time.

11-22-2005, 04:36 AM
Overlord wrote:
There is so much crap that it is beyond belief. And there is so much even greater crap being built over that original crap and people believe just about anything because they have already decided what to believe and then google for stuff that supports that belief. People don't want the TRUTH!

I have to applaud this comment.

truebeliever
11-22-2005, 05:24 AM
My nick is in the POlitical context. One who still believes and is not cynical. I had just watched a doco on former Oz Prime minister "Hawkie". People from Oz will understand.

I am 35.

Have been a shotfirer, fire assayer, brickies labourer, night club bouncer, drug dealer, Registered Nurse and muscle for sex workers. I currently build computers for a living after living off my drug money for 5 years.

I have crammed more into my life than you ever will. Do not attempt to stereotype me.

I have not attended church since i was 11.

I live in Australia.

Is that out of the way now.

Neither of you have a clue what you're talking about.

Some of your statements shock me as beyond ignorence to the point of me shaking my head in amazement.

As for the Balkans. Name the place and the event and we'll go toe to toe. I know HUNDREDS from the area and you speak shit.

Again. Name the place and the event and lets go.

As for any other subject...OVERLORD, you do not even know the difference between the Nationalistic Fascism of Germany and the Communist thuggery of Soviet Russia for fucks sake. Geeeeeeeezuzzz mate. That is embarressing and is indicative of your SIMPLE PARROTTING of received truth which may impress your friends but will just embarress you here.

One more thing...name SPECIFICALLY the information that I provide that is shit. I am not interested in ANYONE elses claims. Just my own. Now, NAME the point that is "shit built on shit"...

Do NOT waffle.

Quote the point and provide your counter view. Point....by point....by point...

Saturnino
11-22-2005, 05:37 AM
<quote>
If you actually read the bible with open eyes, you will see that GW is doing exactly what Jesus is telling him and all other christians to do. That is probably the most appaling of all, the fact that humanity have been decieved to believe that Jesus is benign and compassionate. It is right there in front of you and you refuse to see it. That he is the epitome of benevolence and compassion is the greatest literary and religious mass-hallucinatory sleight-of-hand of all time.
</quote>

Man, you don't nothing about the Bible. Jesus said that he came not to judge the world, but to offer salvation. His coming is a sign of how compassionate He is. If He was not, he could simply have destroyed this evil, sinful planet instead of coming to die for us. That's the basics of the basics of Christianity and you missed it.

Jesus is also just, and that's why He will judge those who rejected Him and His teachings...but before that, He gives us many many chances.

GW is not following Jesus at all. He is a blasphemer, a murderer and a liar. Only God can judge us with fairness. Bush never received a mandate from God to do anything, much less judge anyone.

The Bible says that the devil came to steal , murder and destroy, and that's what Bush ahs been doing.

11-22-2005, 05:38 AM
Can we pick any claim you have made that is total bull, or do you specifically want Overlord to do.

I am sure you know which one I will pick Oh the masonic influenced flag! (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2647&forum=26&PHPSESSID=3070caef469846726664667d0eb507d5)

truebeliever
11-22-2005, 05:58 AM
You're right.

I looked it up and forgot about the post.

There is NOTHING their with regards Masonry. But that was the point of posting...to find that out. Kapeshe? Whats your fucking problem?

I write reams and this is ALL you can come up with?

Fuck you BONDI. I have been nice but i will get as nasty as one can get on a forum if you cant play the post and point out EXACTLY what i write that is "bullshit, built on bullshit".

I repeat. I have LITTLE interest in the esoteric symbology of Masonry. To be honest I could'nt give a fuck as neither do the majority of top level Masons involved in running the planet.

How do I know that? Coz i've drunk with them and been invited to lunch. Even been asked to fuck their wives.

Theirs a WORLD of darkness out their BONDI. A world you know LITTLE of. The top levels of your craft are involved in shit that you can not even begin to imagine.

Again, you are simply NOT in the loop.

Do not think that Western Australia is far removed from the movers and shakers. Their are more here on the sly than you can imagine including Gates, Ray Croc, Murdoch, English royalty and various "Lords" etc...never in the news.

Saturnino
11-22-2005, 06:03 AM
Scusi, TB:

Capicce ? capisco !
Bondi will never "capiscono".

11-22-2005, 06:43 AM
truebeliever wrote:
Fuck you BONDI. I have been nice but i will get as nasty as one can get on a forum if you cant play the post and point out EXACTLY what i write that is "bullshit, built on bullshit".

You're right.

I looked it up and forgot about the post.

There is NOTHING their with regards Masonry.

But that was the point of posting...to find that out. Kapeshe? Whats your fucking problem?



Get as nasty as you like, but I did point out a post that was bullshit, as you requested.

The title of the thread is "Tell Me I'm Wrong" if you wasn't sure or were enquirying you would of ask "Is this" not made such a bold opening.



truebeliever wrote:
I write reams and this is ALL you can come up with?

Didn't see much point in quoting every post, wastes bandwidth.



truebeliever wrote:
I repeat. I have LITTLE interest in the esoteric symbology of Masonry. To be honest I could'nt give a fuck as neither do the majority of top level Masons involved in running the planet.

Haven't even discussed the Esoteric side. You haven't even got the basics correct yet.


truebeliever wrote:
How do I know that? Coz i've drunk with them and been invited to lunch. Even been asked to fuck their wives.

Go Here (http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=2790&forum=26&PHPSESSID=3070caef469846726664667d0eb507d5)


truebeliever wrote:
Theirs a WORLD of darkness out their BONDI. A world you know LITTLE of. The top levels of your craft are involved in shit that you can not even begin to imagine.
Again, you are simply NOT in the loop.

I dont think you are in touch with this world at all.



truebeliever wrote:
Do not think that Western Australia is far removed from the movers and shakers. Their are more here on the sly than you can imagine including Gates, Ray Croc, Murdoch, English royalty and various "Lords" etc...never in the news.

Do you mean Bill Gates?

Whats McDonalds got to do with anything, other than make most nations over weight.

And would you me Rupert or Bill?

Yep, all those prove Masons are invovled in the evil empire.




Saturnino wrote:
Bondi will never "capiscono".

You mean "capire" :-P, or is "Bondi will never they understand the phrase you were going for?

Controllare le sue informazioni dapprima almeno.

truebeliever
11-22-2005, 08:59 AM
BONDI...pull one leg of your trouser up and get in line for the Mason conga.

The joke of an initiation ritual should be enough to write you off as an idiot from the beginning.

Didn't see much point in quoting every post, wastes bandwidth.

Thanx, thats all i needed to know. The tail looks good between your legs by the way ;-) :-P

11-22-2005, 09:05 AM
Not only does your demented ego require you to write ad infinitum, but now you got to make the words big as hell. Are you blind as well as dumb. Like I said bitch slapping , dog fucking, cunt chewing, snot sucking nurse (angel of mercy my ass) go to hell. Oh thats right, Satan said you were to ignore this and he didn't have any more room for a super turd. So stay on earth till you get fired again and tell all about your boring fucking life. In the wordiest cock sucking way you can. It ain't that we hate your guts muller fucker its just that you haven't ignored us like that Jew hating bitch Barbara BlueAngel) ordered your big ass to do.
COWARD

LaDominio
11-22-2005, 10:49 AM
BlueAngle wrote:
Not only does your demented ego require you to write ad infinitum, but now you got to make the words big as hell. Are you blind as well as dumb. Like I said bitch slapping , dog fucking, cunt chewing, snot sucking nurse (angel of mercy my ass) go to hell. Oh thats right, Satan said you were to ignore this and he didn't have any more room for a super turd. So stay on earth till you get fired again and tell all about your boring fucking life. In the wordiest cock sucking way you can. It ain't that we hate your guts muller fucker its just that you haven't ignored us like that Jew hating bitch Barbara BlueAngel) ordered your big ass to do.
COWARD

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

Overlord
11-22-2005, 04:20 PM
I just realized what kind of forum this is. It is not informed debate but no-holds-barred cage-fighting.

I cannot discuss with people who constantly explode into a rage for no apparent reason. If Mr Truebeliever will be insulted by the mere mention of another point of view or a rather different habit of discourse ( Except on mission, I am used to much more critical debate where there is actually an intellectual exchange rather than constant blasts of gall that is typical of uncontrolled web-sites, i.e. chaotic ones) then what's the point of staying.

At the moment it has become a freakshow.

And I can't help myself, but I have to point out that the Teutonic Fascism of which you speak and that I compared with IN PRACTICALITY (NOT theory) the Revolutionary Communism, should certainly not cause alarm. It was an opening for debate and you just closed it, I'm afraid.

That you, with your base temper and insulting vocabulary could even imagine that I would enjoy further attempts of communication with you (other than barbs and taunts, which is FUN but childish) tells me quite a lot about your own mental capacity.

Yes, I had a whisky.

But you are ugly.

Tomorrow I am sober.

this
11-22-2005, 05:54 PM
OL you are constantly stroking your ego, which only gets you so far. There is much on this site over the past year that you are ignorant of. That's why TB is shaking his head in disbelief of a real live edjucated feller who comes along and exposes his controlled mind.

If you have the patience, what was the regulated capital stuff you mentioned? It sounded like a really big conspiracy, and something I could comment on.

Overlord
11-23-2005, 04:40 PM
Dear "this",

you got it, I'm a bit Egotistical, but hey, look at all these fancy names on this site! I just thought I would blend in. And I hurt my foot badly and have nothing better to do. And aren't we all here just for a laugh, really? I mean, what will any of this matter when the computer is turned off? It's not going to change the world and it's all just disgruntled people shooting the breeze. I don't think anyone here dares to talk publicly about their opinions, because it's too "shocking". What the hell, if you just know how to respect other peoples opinions, you can say anything. If you don't care what other people think, then yeah, duh! You will get yourself into a pile of trouble.

If you walk around saying that all fat people should be force-starved because they destroy our economy with their medical-bills, that's going to get you into trouble. If you however adopt the attitude that there is a large menacing future with the way the western world is overfeeding, then you are getting somewhere.

OK, damn I'm long-winded...

You were asking about something..

Can't see what you're referring to. I can, however, state again, that the largest threat to all society today is fundamentalism. Especially christian fundamentalism. It is a driving force and an extremely strong supporter of the continued strife between Muslim findamentalists and Jewish Militants. There is a vast movement in Israel to come to a very reasonable peace-settlement and it is not supported or even tolerated by the Religous Right Christian Movement. THey are not and have no need for support from the Jewish community, since they are , by far, more numerous, stronger and have a far older heritage than any other existing religous strain.

And since the bible is globally accepted as a moral guideline, and the very crude and insensible figure Jesus (who coined the aggression-phrase; If you're not with me, you're against me)that specific religion has a unique handhold over all of the worlds society. The Jewish society is just a patsy, an easy target.

11-24-2005, 08:45 AM
Maybe GOD is crude and insensible, but GOD is still GOD and you are very small. I suppose you could choose to play in some other place since GOD owns this place. Then again the choice may not be yours.

Overlord
11-24-2005, 05:50 PM
Oh, I see. GOD is now appeared on this fora. This is now a religous forum!
Hmmm. Getting cosier and nicer every day.
I've read that fascism is really a preferable archy of governmental fascia, I have read that I will be judged harshly by GOD and I have read that Jews are eternally hated of all through the ages..

Let me guess about the prominent achievers of this here site;

religous
anti-gay
pro weapons/self armament
Anti-jewish
Anti-abortion
Male
Unhappy with job situation/position

Will say:
-Let them fend for themselves
-Give me what's rightfully mine, that I deserve, but aint getting

True? False? "Way off?"

truebeliever
11-24-2005, 05:57 PM
you got it, I'm a bit Egotistical, but hey, look at all these fancy names on this site!

"Nicks" are NEVER simple chance. They reflect an unconscious attitude. You should look into that. ;-)

Also...when are you ACTUALLY going to ANSWER some of the direct points and questions levelled at you instead of questioning peoples "character"? You see OL, when we are threatened by the unknown as you are on this site, we revert to "pigeon holing" the opposition in an attempt to "whisk away" the uncomforable feeling of ones world view being challenged.

Here is my website...

www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

Their is a short doco (part 1) of the lie that are the homicidal gas chambers of Auwshwitz. Had a gander yet or are you just here for the shit stir?

Keep the leg elevated. ;-)

P.S People who do NOT answer my points directly are one of two things. Professional agitators or ignorent twaddlers who deserve a good verbal thrashing. You STILL do not know the basic difference between so called fascism and comuunism. If you cannot grasp this high school concept, then you are SEVERELY lacking in ANY capacity to "intellectual debate".

Is that clear "Hoppy"?

Drew_J
02-04-2006, 12:51 AM
I don't know if the Franklin quote is accurate.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/8815/what_they_said.html


RESPONSE (1)
The quote alleged to be by Franklin is a forgery. It is discussed in "They Never Said It" by Boller and George, p.27

[Reference: "They Never Said It", Paul F. Boller Jr. and John George, New York, Oxford University Press, 1989, ISBN 0-19-605541-1 and ISBN 0-19-506469-0 -DSM]


"The Franklin quote apparently first turned up on February 3, 1934 in William Dudley Pelley's pro-Nazi sheet, _Liberation_, published in Asheville, North Carolina. According to Pelley, it was taken from notes made by Charles Cotesworth Pinckney, delegate to the Constitutional Convention from South Carolina... But there is no Pinckney diary, and historian Charles Beard, after a thorough investigation... concluded: "This alleged `Prophecy' ascribed to Franklin is a crude forgery.. . There is in our historical records no evidence whatever of any basis for the falsehood."

"On one occasion, when the Hebrew Society of Philadelphia sought to raise money for a synagogue, Franklin signed the petition appealing to "citizens of every denomination" for contributions. Nevertheless, during the 1930s and 1940s, the Franklin forgery was cited time and again in the Nazi press in Germany, broadcast over the Nazi radio... It was popular, too, in neo-Nazi circles in the United States."


RESPONSE (2)
http://www.netizen.org/arc-hive/par_0038.txt
Another good source for a discussion of the Ben Franklin hoax is Morris Kominsky's excellent (but hard to find) book, "Hoaxers: Plain Liars, Fancy Liars and Damned Liars" Branden Press 1970. [..]

Mr. Kominsky notes the hoax reported in a 1966 issue of THUNDERBOLT, a publication of the National States Rights Party. He notes the rumor made the rounds in 1934 by William Dudley Pelley, professional anti-Semite, leader of the Silver SHirts (SS--get it?). He attributed it to the diary of Charles Pinckney of South Carolina who was a delegate to the Constitutional Convention of 1787. When challenged, Pelley claimed to have taken it from a copy of the diary which was the property of an unidentified descendent of Pinckney. Historian Charles Beard made a search for this 'diary' and Henry Butler Allen of the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia issued a statement in 1938 that the diary did not exist and based on an analysis of the language in the anti-semitic speech attributed to Franklin, the language used was not Colonial English.

-Danny Keren.