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rushdoony
02-20-2005, 08:26 AM
The Enigma of Hitler
by Leon Degrelle
"Hitler -- You knew him -- what was he like?"

I have been asked that question a thousand times since 1945, and nothing is more difficult to answer.

Approximately two hundred thousand books have dealt with the Second World War and with its central figure, Adolf Hitler. But has the real Hitler been discovered by any of them? "The enigma of Hitler is beyond all human comprehension," the left-wing German weekly 'Die Zeit' once put it.

Salvador Dali, art's unique genius, sought to penetrate the mystery in one of his most intensely dramatic paintings. Towering mountain landscapes all but fill the canvas, leaving ony a few luminous meters of seashore dotted with delicately miniaturized human figures: the last witness to a dying peace. A huge telephone receiver dripping tears of blood hangs from the branch of a dead tree; and here and there hang umbrellas and bats whose portent is visibly the same. As Dali tells it, "Chamberlain's umbrella appeared in this painting in a sinister light, made evident by the bat, and it struck me when I painted it as a thing of enormous anguish."

He then confided: "I felt this painting to be deeply prophetic. But I confess that I haven't yet figured out the Hitler enigma either. He attracted me only as an object of my mad imaginings and because I saw him as a man uniquely capable of turning things completely upside down."

What a lesson in humility for the braying critics who have rushed into print since 1945 with their thousands of 'definitive' books, most of them scornful, about this man who so troubled the introspective Dali that forty years later he still felt anguished and uncertain in the presence of his own hallucinatory painting. Apart from Dali, who else has ever tried to present an objective portrayal of this extraordinary man who Dali labeled the most explosive figure in human history?

The mountains of Hitler books based on blind hatred and ignorance do little to describe or explain the most powerful man the world has ever seen. How, I ponder, do these thousands of disparate portraits of Hitler in any way resemble the man I knew? The Hitler seated beside me, standing up, talking, listening. It has become impossible to explain to people fed fantastic tales for decades that what they have read or heard on television just does not correspond to the truth.

People have come to accept fiction, repeated a thousand times over, as reality. Yet they have never seen Hitler, never spoken to him, never heard a word from his mouth. The very name of Hitler immediately conjures up a grimacing devil, the fount of all of one's negative emotions. Like Pavlov's bell, the mention of Hitler is meant to dispense with substance and reality. In time, however, history will demand more than these summary judgments.

Hitler is always present before my eyes: as a man of peace in 1936, as a man of war in 1944. It is not possible to have been a personal witness to the life of such an extraordinary man without being marked by it forever. Not a day goes by but Hitler rises again in my memory, not as a man long dead, but as a real being who paces his office floor, seats himself in his chair, pokes the burning logs in the fireplace.

The first thing anyone noticed when he came into view was his small mustache. Countless times he had been advised to shave it off, but he always refused: people were used to him the way he was.

He was not tall -- no more than was Napoleon or Alexander the Great.

Hitler had deep blue eyes that many found bewitching, although I did not find them so. Nor did I detect the electric current his hands were said to give off. I gripped them quite a few times and was never struck by his lightening.

His face showed emotion or indifference according to the passion or apathy of the moment. At times he was as though benumbed, saying not a word, while his jaws moved in the meanwhile as if they were grinding an obstacle to smithereens in the void. Then he would come suddenly alive and launch into a speech directed at you alone, as though he were addressing a crowd of hundreds of thousands at Berlin's Tempelhof airfield. Then he became as if transfigured. Even his complexion, otherwise dull, lit up as he spoke. And at such times, to be sure, Hitler was strangely attractive and as if possessed of magic powers.

Anything that might have seemed too solemn in his remarks, he quickly tempered with a touch of humour. The picturesque world, the biting phrase were at his command. In a flash he would paint a word-picture that brought a smile, or come up with an unexpected and disarming comparison. He could be harsh and even implacable in his judgments and yet almost at the same time be surprisingly conciliatory, sensitive and warm.

After 1945 Hitler was accused of every cruelty, but it was not in his nature to be cruel. He loved children. It was an entirely natural thing for him to stop his car and share his food with young cyclists along the road. Once he gave his raincoat to a derelict plodding in the rain. At midnight he would interrupt his work and prepare the food for his dog Blondi.

He could not bear to eat meat, because it meant the death of a living creature. He refused to have so much as a rabbit or a trout sacrificed to provide his food. He would allow only eggs on his table, because egg-laying meant that the hen had been spared rather than killed.

Hitler's eating habits were a constant source of amazement to me. How could someone on such a rigorous schedule, who had taken part in tens of thousands of exhausting mass meetings from which he emerged bathed with sweat, often losing two to four pounds in the process; who slept only three to four hours a night; and who, from 1940 to 1945, carried the whole world on his shoulders while ruling over 380 million Europeans: how, I wondered, could he physically survive on just a boiled egg, a few tomatoes, two or three pancakes, and a plate of noodles? But he actually gained weight!

He drank only water. He did not smoke and would not tolerate smoking in his presence. At one or two o'clock in the morning he would still be talking, untroubled, close to his fireplace, lively, often amusing. He never showed any sign of weariness. Dead tired his audience might be, but not Hitler.

He was depicted as a tired old man. Nothing was further from the truth. In September 1944, when he was reported to be fairly doddering, I spent a week with him. His mental and physical vigor were still exceptional. The attempt made on his life on July 20th had, if anything, recharged him. He took tea in his quarters as tranquilly as if we had been in his small private apartment at the chancellery before the war, or enjoying the view of snow and bright blue sky through his great bay window at Berchtesgaden.

At the very end of his life, to be sure, his back had become bent, but his mind remained as clear as a flash of lightening. The testament he dictated with extraordinary composure on the eve of his death, at three in the morning of April 29, 1945, provides us a lasting testimony. Napoleon at Fontainebleau was not without his moments of panic before his abdication. Hitler simply shook hands with his associates in silence, breakfasted as on any other day, then went to his death as if he were going on a stroll. When has history ever witnessed so enormous a tragedy brought to its end with such iron self control?

Hitler's most notable characteristic was ever his simplicity. The most complex of problems resolved itself in his mind into a few basic principles. His actions were geared to ideas and decisions that could be understood by anyone. The laborer from Essen, the isolated farmer, the Ruhr industrialist, and the university professor could all easily follow his line of thought. The very clarity of his reasoning made everything obvious.

His behaviour and his life style never changed even when he became the ruler of Germany. He dressed and lived frugally. During his early days in Munich, he spent no more than a mark per day for food. At no stage in his life did he spend anything on himself. Throughout his 13 years in the chancellery he never carried a wallet or ever had money of his own.

Hitler was self-taught and made no attempt to hide the fact. The smug conceit of intellectuals, their shiny ideas packaged like so many flashlight batteries, irritated him at times. His own knowledge he had acquired through selective and unremitting study, and he knew far more than thousands of diploma-decorated academics.

I don't think anyone ever read as much as he did. He normally read one book every day, always first reading the conclusion and the index in order to gauge the work's interest for him. He had the power to extract the essence of each book and then store it in his computer-like mind. I have heard him talk about complicated scientific books with faultless precision, even at the height of the war.

His intellectual curiosity was limitless. He was readily familiar with the writings of the most diverse authors, and nothing was too complex for his comprehension. He had a deep knowledge and understanding of Buddha, Confucius and Jesus Christ, as well as Luther, Calvin, and Savonarola; of literary giants such as Dante, Schiller, Shakespeare and Goethe; and analytical writers such as Renan and Gobineau, Chamberlain and Sorel.

He had trained himself in philosophy by studying Aristotle and Plato. He could quote entire paragraphs of Schopenhauer from memory, and for a long time carried a pocked edition of Schopenhauer with him. Nietzsche taught him much about the willpower.

His thirst for knowledge was unquenchable. He spend hundreds of hours studying the works of Tacitus and Mommsen, military strategists such as Clausewitz, and empire builders such as Bismark. Nothing escaped him: world history or the history of civilizations, the study of the Bible and the Talmud, Thomistic philosophy and all the masterpieces of Homer, Sophocles, Horace, Ovid, Titus Livius and Cicero. He knew Julian the Apostate as if he had been his contemporary.

His knowledge also extended to mechanics. He knew how engines worked; he understood the ballistics of various weapons; and he astonished the best medical scientists with his knowledge of medicine and biology.

The universality of Hitler's knowledge may surprise or displease those unaware of it, but it is nonetheless a historical fact: Hitler was one of the most cultivated men of this century. Many times more so than Churchill, an intellectual mediocrity; or than Pierre Lavaal, with him mere cursory knowledge of history; of than Roosevelt; or Eisenhower, who never got beyond detective novels.

Even during his earliest years, Hitler was different than other children. He had an inner strength and was guided by his spirit and his instincts.

He could draw skillfully when he was only eleven years old. His sketches made at that age show a remarkable firmness and liveliness. He first paintings and watercolors, created at age 15, are full of poetry and sensitivity. One of his most striking early works, 'Fortress Utopia,' also shows him to have been an artist of rare imagination. His artistic orientation took many forms. He wrote poetry from the time he was a lad. He dictated a complete play to his sister Paula who was amazed at his presumption. At the age of 16, in Vienna, he launched into the creation of an opera. He even designed the stage settings, as well as all the costumes; and, of course, the characters were Wagnerian heroes.

More than just an artist, Hitler was above all an architect. Hundreds of his works were notable as much for the architecture as for the painting. From memory alone he could reproduce in every detail the onion dome of a church or the intricate curves of wrought iron. Indeed, it was to fulfill his dream of becoming an architect that Hitler went to Vienna at the beginning of the century.

When one sees the hundreds of paintings, sketches and drawings he created at the time, which reveal his mastery of three dimensional figures, it is astounding that his examiners at the Fine Arts Academy failed him in two successive examinations. German historian Werner Maser, no friend of Hitler, castigated these examiners: "All of his works revealed extraordinary architectural gifts and knowledge. The builder of the Third Reich gives the former Fine Arts Academy of Vienna cause for shame."

In his room, Hitler always displayed an old photograph of his mother. The memory of the mother he loved was with him until the day he died. Before leaving this earth, on April 30, 1945, he placed his mother's photograph in front of him. She had blue eyes like his and a similar face. Her maternal intuition told her that her son was different from other children. She acted almost as if she knew her son's destiny. When she died, she felt anguished by the immense mystery surrounding her son.

Throughout the years of his youth, Hitler lived the life of a virtual recluse. He greatest wish was to withdraw from the world. At heart a loner, he wandered about, ate meager meals, but devoured the books of three public libraries. He abstained from conversations and had few friends.

It is almost impossible to imagine another such destiny where a man started with so little and reached such heights. Alexander the great was the son of a king. Napoleon, from a well-to-do family, was a general at 24. Fifteen years after Vienna, Hitler would still be an unknown corporal. Thousands of others had a thousand times more opportunity to leave their mark on the world.

Hitler was not much concerned with his private life. In Vienna he had lived in shabby, cramped lodgings. But for all that he rented a piano that took up half his room, and concentrated on composing his opera. He lived on bread, milk, and vegetable soup. His poverty was real. He did not even own an over-coat. He shoveled streets on snowy days. He carried luggage at the railway station. He spent many weeks in shelters for the homeless. But he never stopped painting or reading.

Despite his dire poverty, Hitler somehow managed to maintain a clean appearance. Landlords and landladies in Vienna and Munich all remembered him for his civility and pleasant disposition. His behaviour was impeccable. His room was always spotless, his meager belongings meticulously arranged, and his clothes neatly hung or folded. He washed and ironed his own clothes, something which in those days few men did. He needed almost nothing to survive, and money from the sale of a few paintings was sufficient to provide for all his needs.

Impressed by the beauty of the church in a Benedictine monastery where he was part of the choir and served as an altar boy, Hitler dreamt fleetingly of becoming a Benedictine monk. And it was at that time, too, interestingly enough, that whenever he attended mass, he always had to pass beneath the first swastika he had ever seen: it was graven in the stone escutcheon of the abbey portal.

Hitler's father, a customs officer, hoped the boy would follow in his footsteps and become a civil servant. His tutor encouraged him to become a monk. Instead the young Hitler went, or rather fled, to Vienna. And there, thwarted in his artistic aspirations by the bureaucratic mediocrities of academia, he turned to isolation and meditation. Lost in the great capital of Austria-Hungary, he searched for his destiny.

During the first 30 years of Hitler's life, the date April 20, 1889, meant nothing to anyone. He was born on that day in Braunau, a small town in the Inn valley. During his exile in Vienna, he often thought of his modest home, and particularly of his mother. When she fell ill, he returned home from Vienna to look after her. For weeks he nursed her, did all the household chores, and supported her as the most loving of sons. When she finally died, on Christmas eve, his pain was immense. Wracked with grief, he buried his mother in the little country cemetery. "I have never seen anyone so prostrate with grief," said his mother's doctor, who happened to be Jewish.

Hitler had not yet focused on politics, but without his rightly knowing, that was the career to which he was most strongly called. Politics would ultimately blend with his passion for art. People, the masses, would be the clay the sculptor shapes into an immortal form. The human clay would become for him a beautiful work of art like one of Myron's marble sculptures, a Hans Makart painting, or Wagner's Ring Trilogy.

His love of music, art and architecture had not removed him from the political life and social concerns of Vienna. In order to survive, he worked as a common laborer sided by side with other workers. He was a silent spectator, but nothing escaped him: not the vanity and egoism of the bourgeoisie, not the moral and material misery of the people, nor yet the hundreds of thousands of workers who surged down the wide avenues of Vienna with anger in their hearts.

He had also been taken aback by the growing presence in Vienna of bearded Jews wearing caftans, a sight unknown in Linz. "How can they be Germans?" he asked himself. He read the statistics: in 1860 there were 69 Jewish families in Vienna; 40 years later there were 200,000. They were everywhere. He observed their invasion of the universities and the legal and medical professions, and their takeover of the newspapers.

Hitler was exposed to the passionate reactions of the workers to this influx, but the workers were not alone in their unhappiness. There were many prominent persons in Austria and Hungary who did not hide their resentment at what they believed was an alien invasion of their country. The mayor of Vienna, a Christian-Democrat and a powerful orator, was eagerly listened to by Hitler.

Hitler was also concerned with the fate of the eight million Austrian Germans kept apart from Germany, and thus deprived of their rightful German nationhood. He saw Emperor Franz Josef as a bitter and petty old man unable to cope with the problems of the day and the aspirations of the future.

Quietly, the young Hitler was summing things up in his mind.

First: Austrians were part of Germany, the common fatherland.

Second: The Jews were aliens within the German community.

Third: Patriotism was only valid if it was shared by all classes. The common people with whom Hitler had shared grief and humiliation were just as much a part of the fatherland as the millionaires of high society.

Fourth: Class war would sooner or later condemn both workers and bosses to ruin in any country. No country could survive class war; only cooperation between workers and bosses can benefit the country. Workers must be respected and live with decency and honor. Creativity must never be stifled.

When Hitler later said that he had formed his social and political doctrine in Vienna, he told the truth. Ten years later his observations made in Vienna would become the order of the day.

Thus Hitler was to live for several years in the crowded city of Vienna as a virtual outcast, yet quietly observing everything around him. His strength came from within. He did not rely on anyone to do his thinking for him. Exceptional human beings always feel lonely amid the vast human throng. Hitler saw his solitude as a wonderful opportunity to meditate and not to be submerged in a mindless sea. In order not to be lost in the wastes of a sterile desert, a strong soul seeks refuge within himself. Hitler was such a soul.

The lightning in Hitler's life would come from the word.

All his artistic talent would be channeled into his mastery of communication and eloquence. Hitler would never conceive of popular conquests without the power of the word. He would enchant and be enchanted by it. He would find total fulfillment when the magic of his words inspired the hearts and minds of the masses with whom he communed.

He would feel reborn each time he conveyed with mystical beauty the knowledge he had acquired in his lifetime.

Hitler's incantory eloquence will remain, for a very long time, a vast field of study for the psychoanalyst. The power of Hitler's word is the key. Without it, there would never have been a Hitler era.

Did Hitler believe in God? He believed deeply in God. He called God the Almighty, master of all that is known and unknown.

Propagandists portrayed Hitler as an atheist. He was not. He had contempt for hypocritical and materialistic clerics, but he was not alone in that. He believed in the necessity of standards and theological dogmas, without which, he repeatedly said, the great institution of the Christian church would collapse. These dogmas clashed with his intelligence, but he also recognized that it was hard for the human mind to encompass all the problems of creation, its limitless scope and breathtaking beauty. He acknowledged that every human being has spiritual needs.

The song of the nightingale, the pattern and color of a flower, continually brought him back to the great problems of creation. No one in the world has spoken to me so eloquently about the existence of God. He held this view not because he was brought up as a Christian, but because his analytical mind bound him to the concept of God.

Hitler's faith transcended formulas and contingencies. God was for him the basis of everything, the ordainer of all things, of his Destiny and that of all others.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p22_Degrelle.html

john
02-20-2005, 09:56 AM
That A.H. wasn`t worst than the kabbalistic "international" banksters who have financed him, I agree. But I certainly wouldn`t assert that he was a "nice" man. He was a ruthless power-obsessed man who made slaughter several millions to set up a "thousand year`s" empire (reich). Until the very last moment of the war, he was keeping to send thousands of children -the "Hitler Jugend"- to a hopeless bloodshed and one of his last statement was that the German people deserves to be destroyed since it wasn`t able to win the war.

nomad
02-20-2005, 10:14 AM
Hitler is definitely an enigma. One detail I find

interesting is how much Hitler knew about the

dangers of smoking and how he enacted laws to save

the population from this cancer. He was about 60

years ahead of the western world in this

regards ... or should we say that at least he

told the truth while all along we were

subjected to this hidden holocaust

in the name of profits.

AISB_Watch
02-20-2005, 05:16 PM
What a crock of shit!

The guy makes him out to be a messiah.

Yes he had a lot of respect for Christianity but only in context of a gnostic occult interpretation promulgated by his mentor Madame Blavatsky. The Secret Doctrine was his real Bible, he had a copy of it by his bedside and read from it every night.

Hitler was a medium in the extreme. He was history's greatest virtuoso of channeling satanic forces. He came into contact with the Vril Society, the Black Order, the Ahnenerbe Society and later the Thule Society and was chosen because of his uncanny nature to become suceptible to influence. Mediums are ordinary, insignificant people and suddenly they are endowed with supernatural powers and uncanny abilities. The powers are something that is outside their true personality. The medium is possessed. Once the crisis is past, they fall back into mediocrity. It is this quality of Hitler that the author is so enraptured by, the same quality that swayed an entire country.

Read the Morning of the Magicians (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0812885325/ref=ase_conspiracyarc-20/104-8924776-1297547?v=glance&s=books) for the full story of the occult rise and fall of the Third Reich - especially useful for a full recounting of the whacked out beliefs that the "Aryans" of the turn of the century held. The absolute best book I have ever read.

nohope187
02-20-2005, 05:46 PM
I imagine Hitler was one of those nice guys who could shake your hand with a warm smile and in the same instant, run a knife right through you while keeping his composure. Sociopathic indeed.

DoctorX
02-20-2005, 09:02 PM
AISB_Watch wrote:
What a crock of shit!

The guy makes him out to be a messiah.

Yes he had a lot of respect for Christianity but only in context of a gnostic occult interpretation promulgated by his mentor Madame Blavatsky. The Secret Doctrine was his real Bible, he had a copy of it by his bedside and read from it every night.
How did he have respect for Christianity when he was having people killed left and right? a better way of saying this is HE USED christianity. Just like the prez of the USA who claims to be a christian and uses it for votes yet is involved in the skull and bones death cult, invented a false war that led to thousands of innocent people dying, and I could go on and on!

AISB_Watch
02-20-2005, 11:48 PM
DoctorX wrote:
How did he have respect for Christianity when he was having people killed left and right? a better way of saying this is HE USED christianity. Just like the prez of the USA who claims to be a christian and uses it for votes yet is involved in the skull and bones death cult, invented a false war that led to thousands of innocent people dying, and I could go on and on!

Sorry for the confusion. I did say "only in context of a gnostic occult interpretation promulgated by his mentor Madame Blavatsky." That's the important distinction. Theosophy's satanic interpretation of the mystical meanings in the Bible is what appealed to Hitler - and why, in his own twisted way, he had a certain respect for it.

But he did get support from the pope and he had genuine admiration for the Jesuits - the SS secret society, to a large extent, was modeled on them. They both - meaning the Nazis; Catholicism, the Vatican, the Jesuits and the Knights of Malta - used each other in their own way.

nomad
02-21-2005, 07:27 AM
Hitler had no respect for the Judaeo Christian

doctrine ... one reason he said he hated the Jews

was because they spread the idea of

the "conscious mind" ... in his view might

made right.

marypopinz
02-21-2005, 10:32 AM
Rush,

Your posts are most enlightening as to where your head is at - up your arse.

I am confused as to your definition of nice???

Nice is not a word I would use in any sentence describing the character or actions of Hitler. Me and you are definitely on a different wave-length of reality.

R U still at the center of your own universe?

rushdoony
02-21-2005, 10:55 AM
marypoppins,

I knew this one would make a good target for you
but posted it anyhow.

You are a disgrace to this site and Henry
should get rid of you permanently.
He must be aghast that the site he created is being
dominated by an extreme example of the awful
feminazi woman he writes about. Mary your
posts have very little substance to them.
You should go to a chat forum, not here.

I agree with this post by JackBnimble about you:

i agree, as a former guest who has read through most of the threads, i must say this chick is a problem. too bad there are those that come into this forum who are actually afraid of her. i smell me an alcoholic, or 'sybil' type personality going on with her.

marypopinz
02-21-2005, 11:18 AM
Sticks and stones, sweetie.

Try a little logic and reason - it might aid your cause.

Boo!

P.S. Am pleased to see so many agree with your pet monkey theories. It was me who rated this thread as excellant. An excellant example of :lol:

Institute
02-21-2005, 07:20 PM
Hitler has been pagan idolater KABBALIST- FIRST AND FOREMOST.

As a real pagan, Pharao and aryan he worshipped idols (“aryan race” for example) and He was idol (deity) himself (gnostic Demiurge ) for his followers.
Such combination and saturation of of magic and idolatry has not been witnessed from the times of pernicious Pharaos.

Hitler apparently hated Torah and Jews but he worsipped Kabbalistic Jewish idolaters’ occult and magic teaching and practice- that is Kabbala. We could say figuratively that Kabbalah and its secret magical practice (rather then theory) has created Hitler magical personality (“deity”) and nourished his satanic, idol-worshiping movement.

His main role should have been to establish the Jewish Kabbalist/masonic kingdom -that resembled Jewish Kabbalistic Khazaria of the seventh or eighth century (the first and the only pure Kabbalistic Kingdom).

(you might find interesting my posts
“Eurasia –contemporary Khazar Jews Kingdom”
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=473&forum=24&post_id=4393&PHPSESSID=dc0df029c53992e5af260aacc8c41c60#forumpo st4393
and “ Khezran Jews not Ancient Hebrews aryan supremacy and master –race casteism”
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=311&forum=23&post_id=2834#forumpost2834).

I believe that Hitler HAS NOT BEEN AWARE OF THE FACT AND IRONY THAT he has been the Grand Mason of the New World Order, Jewish Kabbalistic Kingdom, British Israel or “Divine” (pagan) World Kingdom.

As I indicated in my post “Kabbala –the Bible of NWO and the source of New Age pagan religion” –
(http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=743&forum=24&post_id=6545#forumpost6545)

from the ranks of the Jewish Kabbalists (actually pagan idolaters who call themselves Jews) have arisen some of the worst enemies of true faith and humanity that have ever lived as Jacob Frank (who inflamed blood libel against the Jews which brought slaughter upon them), Sabatai Zevi, creators of Stalin Gulags and particulary Kabbalistic Jewish theosophists such as Madame Helena Blavatsky and the theosophical circles of of Germany which eventually inspired the Nazi Party and created Hitler.

Hitler has been chosen by Kabbalists/Masonic illuminati to create pagan New World Order but he failed. Just like Napoleon,stalin or Lenin.

They plot ,but The Almighty God and his true believers and followers are wiser,stronger and superior to their plotting.

truebeliever
02-22-2005, 02:54 AM
I am a bit of a Hitler buff.

For real insights into Hitlers thinking read "Hitlers Table Talk" by respected historian Hugh Trever Roper.

A stenographer was present at evening meals and other meetings to record the banter. Absoloutly fascinating.

Hitler was indeed a Pagan but more specifically his talk was that of the 'Illuminist'.

He talks the Illuminati talk and walks the Illuminati walk though he had an absoloute fascination with European Royalty and was an ABSOLOUTE Anglophile. He L-O-V-E-D England and all she stood for.

He considered Christianity would "wither on the vine" after the war and society slipped into the National Socialist agenda.

Goebels was VERY busy chasing the chaplains from the German army and Hitler constantly wined about his Generals and their "moral/religious scruples".

Hitler was indeed a chamer and loved by all who new him personally...except those who disagreed with him.

For another fascinating insight get a hold of "Blindspot" an interview with Trudle Junge his secretery from late '42 onwards. Available on DVD. (I have it but have no web space to post it).

She describes him as gentle and quietly spoken. Charming. She states he NEVER talked like he did in his speeches.

Whatever.

Though the history of WW2 has yet to be written, lets not pretend he was nice. He was a servent of the omniscent State and a mass murderer.

I'm sure 'W' throws a great barbecue and is real friendly like.

Thats the point of the State and why it's so dangerous. It's far removed from it's actions and is capable of the most callous and cruel actions.

G'Day Poppinz!

For all the people who've responded to posts (agreeing or disagreeing) hav'nt had time to respond. If I start responding I'll stay at the keyboard all day!

Best to all...it seems things are hotting up. Stay on your toes. Whatever happens they'll fail.

Brendon...TB

marypopinz
02-22-2005, 07:30 AM
G'Day mate!

Excellant info and insight into Hitler from all! Well, almost all... :lol:

this
02-23-2005, 11:18 PM
this on rense today:
http://www.rense.com/general63/ride.htm

the article seems to bring up a lot of verified facts, none of them about Churchill too pleasant.

A riddle to figure out what the NWO was trying to do in WWII. They certainly extended WWI by 3 years to make profits.

Draken
03-04-2005, 05:41 AM
<a href="http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/hitlerengl.html">Hitler and the Secret Societies</a>

By Julius Evola (from Il Conciliatore, no. 10, 1971; translated from the German edition in Deutsche Stimme, no. 8, 1998)
It is remarkable that some authors in France have researched the relationship of German National Socialism to secret societies and initiatic organizations. The motivation for this was the supposed occult background of the Hitler movement. This thesis was first proposed in the well-known and very far-fetched book by Pauwels and Bergier, "Le Matin des Magiciens" (English ed., "The Dawn of Magic"), in which National Socialism was defined as the union of "magical thinking" with technology. The expression used for this was "Tank divisions plus René Guénon": a phrase that might well have caused that eminent representative of traditional thought and esoteric disciplines to turn indignantly in his grave.

The first misunderstanding here is the confusion of the magical element with the mythical, whereas the two have nothing to do with one another. The role of myths in National Socialism is undeniable, for example in the idea of the Reich, the charismatic Führer, Race, Blood, etc. But rather than calling these "myths," one should apply to them Sorel's concept of "motivating energy-ideas" (which is what all the suggestive ideas used by demagogues commonly are), and not attribute to them any magical ingredient. Similarly, no rational person thinks of magic in connection with the myths of Fascism, such as the myth of Rome or that of the Duce, any more than with those of the French Revolution or Communism. The investigation would proceed differently if one went on the assumption that certain movements, without knowing it, were subject to influences that were not merely human. But this is not the case with the French authors. They are not thinking of influences of that kind, but of a concrete nature, exercised by organizations that really existed, among which were some that to various degrees were "secret." Likewise, some have spoken of "unknown superiors" who are supposed to have called forth the National Socialist movement and to have used Hitler as a medium, though it is unclear what goals they could have had in mind in so doing. If one considers the results, the catastrophic consequences to which National Socialism led, even indirectly, those goals must have been obscure and destructive. One would have to identify the "occult side" of this movement with what Guénon called the "Counter-Initiation." But the French authors have also proposed the thesis that Hitler the "medium" emancipated himself at a certain point from the "unknown superiors," almost like a Golem, and that the movement then pursued its fatal direction. But in that case one must admit that these "unknown superiors" can have had no prescience and very limited power, to have been incapable of putting a stop to their supposed medium, Hitler.

A lot of fantasy has been woven on the concrete level about the origin of National Socialism's themes and symbols. Reference has been made to certain organizations as forerunners, but ones to which it is very difficult to attribute any genuine and factual initiatic character. There is no doubt that Hitler did not invent German racial doctrine, the symbol of the swastika, or Aryan antisemitism: all of these had long existed in Germany. A book entitled "Der Mann, der Hitler die Ideen gab" [The man who gave Hitler his ideas] reports on Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels (the title of nobility was self-bestowed), who had formerly been a Cistercian monk and had founded an Order that already used the swastika; Lanz edited the periodical "Ostara" from 1905 onwards, which Hitler certainly knew, in which the Aryan and antisemitic racial theories were already clearly worked out.

But much more important for the "occult background" of National Socialism is the role of the Thule Society. Things are more complex here. This society grew out of the Germanenorden, founded in 1912, and was led by Rudolf von Sebottendorf, who had been in the East and had published a strange booklet on "Die Praxis der alten türkischen Freimaurerei" [The practice of ancient Turkish Freemasonry]. Practices were described therein that involved the repetition of syllables, gestures, and steps, whose goal was the initiatic transformation of man, such as alchemy had also aimed at. It is unclear what Turkish masonic organization Sebottendorf was in contact with, and also whether he himself practiced the things in question, or merely described them.

Moreover, it cannot be established whether these practices were employed in the Thule Society that Sebottendorf headed. It would be very important to know that, because many top-ranking National Socialist personalities, from Hitler to Rudolf Hess, frequented this society. In a way, Hitler was already introduced to the world of ideas of the Thule Society by Hess during their imprisonment together after the failed Munich Putsch.

At all events, it must be emphasized that the Thule Society was less an initiatic organization than it was a secret society, which already bore the swastika and was marked by a decided antisemitism and by Germanic racial thinking. One should be cautious about the thesis that the name Thule is a serious and conscious reference to a Nordic, Polar connection, in the effort to make a connection with the Hyperborean origins of the Indo-Germans--since Thule appears in ancient tradition as the sacred center or sacred island in the uttermost North. Thule may just be a play on the name "Thale," a location in the Harz where the Germanenorden held a conference in 1914, at which it was decided to create a secret "völkisch" band to combat the supposed Jewish International. Above all, these ideas were emphasized by Sebottendorf in his book "Bevor Hitler kam" [Before Hitler came], published in Munich in 1933, in which he indicated the myths and the "völkisch" world-view that existed before Hitler.

Thus a serious investigation into Hitler's initiatic connections with secret societies does not lead far. A few explanations are necessary in regard to Hitler as a "medium" and his attractive power. It seems to us pure fantasy that he owed this power to initiatic practices. Otherwise one would have to assume the same about the psychic power of other leaders, like Mussolini and Napoleon, which is absurd. It is much better to go on the assumption that there is a psychic vortex that arises from mass movements, and that this concentrates on the man in the center and lends him a certain radiation that is felt especially by suggestible people.

The quality of medium (which, to put it bluntly, is the antithesis of an initiatic qualification) can be attributed to Hitler with a few reservations, because in a certain respect he did appear as one possessed (which differentiates him from Mussolini, for example). When he whipped up the masses to fanaticism, one had the impression that another force was directing him as a medium, even though he was a man of a very extraordinary kind, and extremely gifted. Anyone who has heard Hitler's addresses to the enraptured masses can have no other impression. Since we have already expressed our reservations about the assumption that "unknown superiors" were involved, it is not easy to define the nature of this supra-personal force. In respect to National Socialist theosophy [Gotteserkenntnis], i.e. to its supposed mystical and metaphysical dimension, one must realize the unique juxtaposition in this movement and in the Third Reich of mythical, Enlightenment, and even scientific aspects. In Hitler, one can find many symptoms of a typically "modern" world-view that was fundamentally profane, naturalistic, and materialistic; while on the other hand he believed in Providence, whose tool he believed himself to be, especially in regard to the destiny of the German nation. (For example, he saw a sign of Providence in his survival of the assassination attempt in his East-Prussian headquarters.) Alfred Rosenberg, the ideologist of the movement, proclaimed the myth of Blood, in which he spoke of the "mystery" of Nordic blood and attributed to it a sacramental value; yet he simultaneously attacked all the rites and sacraments of Catholicism as delusions, just like a man of the Enlightenment. He railed against the "Dark men of our time," while attributing to Aryan man the merit of having created modern science. National Socialism's concern with runes, the ancient Nordic-Germanic letter-signs, must be regarded as purely symbolic, rather like the Fascist use of certain Roman symbols, and without any esoteric significance. The program of National Socialism to create a higher man has something of "biological mysticism" about it, but this again was a scientific project. At best, it might have been a question of the "superman" in Nietzsche's sense, but never of a higher man in the initiatic sense.

The plan to "create a new racial, religious, and military Order of initiates, assembled around a divinized Führer," cannot be regarded as the official policy of National Socialism, as René Alleau writes, when he presents such a relationship and even compares it, among others, to the Ishmaelites of Islam. A few elements of a higher level were visible only in the ranks of the SS.

In the first place, one can see clearly the intention of Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler to create an Order in which elements of Prussian ethics were to be combined with those of the old Orders of knighthood, especially the Teutonic Order. He was looking for legitimation of such an organization, but could not obtain it, since these old Orders of Catholicism were openly opposed by the radical wing of National Socialism. Himmler was also seeking, without the possibility of any traditional connection, a relationship to the Nordic-Hyperborean heritage and its symbolism (Thule), albeit without those "secret societies" discussed above having any influence over it. He took notice, as did Rosenberg, of the researches of the Netherlander Herman Wirth into the Nordic-Atlantic tradition. Later Himmler founded, with Wirth, the research and teaching organization called the "Ahnenerbe." This is not without interest, but there was no "occult background" to it.

So the net result is negative. The French authors' fantasy reaches its high point in the book "Hitler et la tradition cathare" by Jean-Michel Angebert (Paris, 1971). This deals with the Cathars, also called Albigensians, who were a heretical sect that spread especially in Southern France between the 11th and 12th centuries, and had their center in the fortress of Montségur. According to Otto Rahn, this was destroyed in a "crusade against the Grail," which is the title of one of his books. Whatever the Grail and its Grail-Knights had to do with this sect remains completely in the dark. The sect was marked by a kind of fanatical Manicheism: sometimes its own believers would die of hunger or some other cause as a demonstration of their detachment from the world and their hostility to earthly existence in flesh and matter. Now it is assumed that Rahn, with whom we corresponded during his lifetime and tried to persuade of the baselessness of his thesis, was an SS man, and that an expedition was sent on its way to retrieve the legendary Grail which was supposedly brought to safety at the moment when the Cathars' fortress in Montségur was destroyed. After the fall of Berlin, a unit is said to have reached the Zillertal and hidden this object at the foot of a glacier, to await a new age.

The truth is that there was talk of a commando unit, which however had a less mystical commission, namely the rescue and concealment of the Reich's treasures. Two further examples show what such fantasies can lead to when they are given free rein. The SS (which included not only battle units but also researchers and scholarly experts) mounted an expedition to Tibet in order to make discoveries in the fields of alpinism and ethnology, and another one to the Arctic, ostensibly for scientific research but also with a view to the possible situation of a German military base. According to these fantastic interpretations, the first expedition was seeking a link to a secret center of the Tradition, while the other was seeking contact with the lost Hyperborean Thule...

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 06:46 AM
Short of everything written being a lie, one of the themes present throught is Hitlers Illuminist thinking.

He considered his religion like that of the Grail Legend and the tale of Parsifal's search for it. That he was in no need of a God and he himself created his own destiny.

I gather in some quotes he was well aware of the work of Carl Jung.

I believe Hitler may of had a 'transcendent' experience during WW1 or perhaps before.

This set him apart in his own eyes.

He was known as 'the white crow' by his comrades during WW1. Often fearless and certainly brave. It was said that his entire company was practically wiped out during an attack with Hitler not recieving a scratch.

He believed in divine providence here and there, that he was special.

He was well read on Plato and loved his work 'The Republic', especially the idea of a special caste of man...'The Philosopher Kings', the intellectual, business and political Elite.

It is verified (as far as that goes) that over 30 specific attacks on Hitlers life took place between 1939 and 1945. He escaped every one.

His cap was made of Tungsten and weighed a ton. Hitler felt he could be removed at any moment and feared assassination greatly. He took extreme precautions.

Obviously, not all of Deutschland was in love with the Fuhrer. Especially the Prussian Masonic Officer Class.

Himmler was certainly more of an occultist.

Hitler prefered his architecture.

It may be 50-100 years before the truth of the greatest slaughter in history comes to light.

P.S Hitler also had a drug habit. Sparodic use of 'Pervitin' (benzedrine) tablets at first but as the war went on and things got bad he was a heavy user of I.V Methamphetamine which was invented by German chemists in 1933.

He also took Cocain eyedrops.

Hitlers eyes certainly 'shone' as would your off your tit's on Meth.

Draken
03-04-2005, 09:27 AM
I seem to have read that he was totally controlled through drugs by a small army of "doctors" who seem to have been of the Kabbalist type...

Isn't it funny how behind every great mass murderer/world politician there seem to be a shady "doctor" or two to supply him with the necessary "treatment" for whatever "condition" said mass murdererworld politician seems to suffer?

From Napoleon to the last Russian tzar, Stalin, Hitler, JFK, that guy after Churchill...<a href="http://amphetamines.com/anthony-eden.html">Anthony Eden...</a>

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 09:51 AM
Yeh...how come they get all the good drugs!

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 09:54 AM
Thats a good little site.

I remember reading about Hitler back in 1990 and saying to myself..."this guy is on Meth"!

It really was'nt written about that much.

Nothing like good old drugs including Prozac to keep the doubt and fear of God from the door.

I'm boring...i just use coffee.

Jimbo
03-04-2005, 12:59 PM
Hitler Is Dead – :-o :-o :-o

And that’s about the only "good" he’s ever offered the World…
8-)

truebeliever
03-04-2005, 08:44 PM
Yet again...armed only with a small hammer...Jimbo strikes the nail in deep.

Draken
03-18-2005, 04:45 AM
<a href="http://www.revisionisthistory.org/jewishnazi.html">Hitler's Jewish Army</a>

"Not every victim was a Jew but every Jew was a victim." --Elie Wiesel speaking of World War Two.

"If there were Jews in (Hitler's) armed forces...who served knowing what was going on and made no attempt to save (lives), well then that is unacceptable and dishonorable." --Rabbi Marvin Hier, director of the Simon Wiesenthal Institute.

Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called 'full Jews' served in the German military with Adolf Hitler's knowledge and approval.

Cambridge University researcher Bryan Rigg has traced the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler's soldiers, including two field marshals and fifteen generals (two full generals, eight lieutenant generals, five major generals), "men commanding up to 100,000 troops."

In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded Germany's highest military honor, the Knight's Cross.

One of these Jewish veterans is today an 82 year old resident of northern Germany, an observant Jew who served as a captain and practiced his religion within the Wehrmacht throughout the war.

One of the Jewish field marshals was Erhard Milch, deputy to Luftwaffe Chief Hermann Goering. Rumors of Milch's Jewish identity circulated widely in Germany in the 1930s.

In one of the famous anecdotes of the time, Goering falsified Milch's birth record and when met with protests about having a Jew in the Nazi high command, Goering replied, ``I decide who is a Jew and who is an Aryan.''

Rigg's research also shed light on stories surrounding the rescue by German soldiers of the Lubavitcher grand rabbi of that time, who was in Warsaw when the war broke out in 1939.

Joseph Isaac Schneerson was spirited to safety after an appeal to Germany from the United States. Schneerson was assisted by a German officer Rigg has identified as the highly decorated Maj. Ernst Bloch, whose father was a Jew.

Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police (Ordnungdienst) and concentration camp guards (kapos).

So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

Sources:

William D. Montalbano, "The Jews in Hitler's Military," Los Angeles Times, Dec. 24, 1996.

Tom Tugend, "Grad student uncovers Jews who fought for Adolf Hitler," Jewish Telegraph Agency, Dec. 26, 1996.

Lenni Brenner, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators.