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igwt
11-29-2005, 03:24 AM
Video on internet. Must see.



Link Here (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271&q=cia)

nomad
11-29-2005, 05:06 AM
Keep in mind there are about 2 dozen other

secret government agencies ! ... ie NSA, Naval

Intelligence etc etc ... so the situation is

20 times what we think it is. Plus let us

not forget the foreign agencies ie Mossad etc.

igwt
11-29-2005, 05:25 AM
nomad wrote:
Keep in mind there are about 2 dozen other

secret government agencies ! ... ie NSA, Naval

Intelligence etc etc ... so the situation is

20 times what we think it is. Plus let us

not forget the foreign agencies ie Mossad etc.

You have a very interesting point. When I was viewing it I thought how much don't we know? :-o

nomad
11-29-2005, 05:44 AM
igwt wrote:

nomad wrote:
Keep in mind there are about 2 dozen other

secret government agencies ! ... ie NSA, Naval

Intelligence etc etc ... so the situation is

20 times what we think it is. Plus let us

not forget the foreign agencies ie Mossad etc.

You have a very interesting point. When I was viewing it I thought how much don't we know? :-o


Listen to the sources such as Kay Griggs whose

husband was a top level INSIDER ... the CIA is

NOTHING compared to the other agencies.

http://www.gnn.tv/threads/4733/Griggs_video_amazing_interview

igwt
11-29-2005, 05:51 AM
Seen the Griggs interview, and she names, names, until she gets to the Z word, which. she is reluctant to mention!

truebeliever
11-29-2005, 07:42 AM
Lets not forget the "Private Security" companies.

I do not fear government agencies but in the back of my mind is a certain Israeli group who love putting videos on things they kill with.

Also, lets not forget the Italian gentlemans club.

There are so many of these thugs we would not have enough fingers and toes.

Still, the CIA plays a prominent role...i include all the other alphabet agencies under them.

Marsali
11-29-2005, 10:51 AM
About six months before the initial invasion of Iraq, I attended a talk given by an Iraqi (A Christian) who now lives in the U.S., but was very concerned about the probable invasion of his country.

I learned so much from his talk, but one of the interesting things that he mentioned is that the CIA helped to violently overthrow Saddam Hussein's predecessor (who was Hussein's cousin).
When Hussein's cousin still controlled Iraq,
Hussein worked as a hit man for the CIA in Iraq, killing, or helping to organize the killing of Iraqis who were unfriendly to American interests.

It comes as no surprise that Hussein continued to kill those who went against him in any way when he did come into power.

Saturnino
11-29-2005, 11:13 AM
Marsali,

This is widely known.

Ozzy_dopster
11-29-2005, 01:00 PM
Yes there is a story that any new agency is named by spooning a mouthful of alphabet soup.whatever it spells is the new name. HA! :-D
"Private Security" is truly a threat because industrial espoinage can be worse that the political kind sometimes. And what about private programming centers? Funded by the "Council"?

neenafoof
11-29-2005, 01:23 PM
Yes. But did you know that he spent two days in a room crying after that "initial purge". I think in his day, Saddam was the sh**t.
JFK of the middle east, he received international awards and lauds for what he did in that country.

Didn't have a pair of shoes until he was 12. Self made. I am impressed. I would vote him for the most facinating powerful man ever. He was not overly educated, BUT he had a photographic memory - and worked insanely long hours. Read the Saddam Hussein Reader. He had a vision he believed in. After reading his vision, I believed in it too. He was strict but fair. Hey, at Joe Stalin's funeral you could see the genuine affection people had.

You see the pictures when he was young and he looked happy and vibrant, really laughing. When he fell in love with Samira Shabandar, he looked like someone in love. He writes poetry for Pete's sake.

He knew how to build, to increase. He was ruined long before US pulled him out of a fox hole.
Not his fault; he did what he had to do to stay in power. His life was in danger constantly for all those years.

At least he depopulated in an expedient fashion in Kurdistan, those people just dropped where they were, died in minutes.

Look how horrible people die in Iraq now. Oh, and it was okay for Winston Churchill to advocate the use of poison gas. DEAD IS FREAKEN DEAD. A QUICK CHEMICAL DEATH IS BETTER THAN BEING BOMBED!! They Kurds wouldn't stop fighting with Bagdad. Why send troops in when you can spray and have it over expediently.

He was good for the people of Iraq would have been good for the entire middle east. I guess no torture happens anywhere else there - gives new meaning to rock and roll.

Things got dicey only after the usurpers drained him economically then came in for the kill.

Rotten thieves. God love you Saddam. He did his best. Look at Iraq now. Hell. Hell on earth.

Saddam built it up from a freaken desert; that is what is wrong with the world, people have no respect.

In the 1970s, those Iraqi's had it so made. Great incomes, free healthcare, perks if you were a loyal party member. Women were physicians, lawyers and scientists.

But, that was his OIL. Problem, others wanted it.
So his little part of utopia was ruined because of the usurpers. When, he TRUSTED US initially.
When he was a lad, selling cigaretts, a jewish man was always kind to him. He didn't judge that man as a jew, he judged him as a person, a friend. He was not unreasonable. Years and years later when he was vice president and happened upon this man in a prison, he freed his friend immediately. He had a capacity for kindness too. His wives and daughters loved him.

What would have been better for the world would have been to let Saddam have the whole ball of wax there. A secular socialist Pan-Arabia. Bitchin!

truebeliever
11-29-2005, 10:29 PM
I agree. Well said.

Taken in the context of what a "leader" must be in an Arab country, still well and truly based in tribal custom and loyalty...he was a godsend to his people.

Ironically, though i admire him to some extent, i would have been the first aginst the wall with my mouth.

Glad I live in Oz where I can call John Howard the whiny, sycophant bitch that he is.

Again, great points. Though I disagree about the gassing of the Kurds. I remember the news reports of the time...you had Iraqi Generals showing Western media around the town filming. Through my profound sense of logic, I will conclude that Saddam was unlikely to gas his people then allow the media to snoop around, unless of course the obvious...Iran did it.

I put the "gassing of the Kurds" right up their with the gassing of another minority. Bullshit. And whats more, bullshit that should have been turned into the Earth long ago...but then, why spoil a good "yarn" with the truth when you're on a role?





;-)

igwt
11-29-2005, 10:47 PM
Interesting news story regarding EU sanctions against CIA prisons on foreign land. USA is looking like 'toast' more and more, in so many arenas...

dw-world.de
European Union Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini has responded to allegations of secret CIA prisons on European soil by threatening to impose sanctions on any EU nation found to be housing clandestine camps.

Story Link (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1796111,00.html?maca=en-rss_english_top-388-rdf)

nomad
11-30-2005, 05:08 AM
igwt wrote:
Interesting news story regarding EU sanctions against CIA prisons on foreign land. USA is looking like 'toast' more and more, in so many arenas...

dw-world.de
European Union Justice Commissioner Franco Frattini has responded to allegations of secret CIA prisons on European soil by threatening to impose sanctions on any EU nation found to be housing clandestine camps.

Story Link (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1796111,00.html?maca=en-rss_english_top-388-rdf)


All is good and under control ... the UN will

take over and restore the confidence in government.

truebeliever
11-30-2005, 06:16 AM
What other option is there? :lol:

nomad
11-30-2005, 06:20 AM
truebeliever wrote:
What other option is there? :lol:

None ... aren't they so BRILLIANT ?

Ozzy_dopster
11-30-2005, 11:11 AM
This is a bit non-seq but i think that one of the Council of Five is messing around and going unilateral on the rest. He probably won't be killed by his associates, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's spotted drooling and shuffling his feet in a private institution somewhere after a few ECT's to his Broca's area.
Like they are so fond of saying: play by the rules or we replace you.