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02-24-2005, 01:19 PM

02-24-2005, 01:31 PM
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sounds interesting

02-24-2005, 01:48 PM
Sorry. The Washington Post doesn't like to have their articles transferred anywhere I see.
Anyway it was an article titled: Bush Gets Stoned By The World Media". Maybe it appears in our local paper. Let me see.

02-24-2005, 03:28 PM
You Mean Stoned By The Media, or “Stoned” In The Media - :-o :-o :-o

Private Discussions

After all, he is a mere "mortal"...

02-25-2005, 07:04 AM
Thanks Jimbo. The Washington Post published the actual interview a reporter (I forget from what country) had with Prez Bush. I'll still try to dig it up.--------get_real

02-25-2005, 07:09 AM
Bush Gets Stoned by the World Media
U.S. Press Less Interested in Drug Remarks

By Jefferson Morley
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Thursday, February 24, 2005; 6:00 AM

President Bush all but admits to illicit drug use for the first time.

Overseas it's the stuff of headlines. At home, the U.S. press has generally downplayed the story.

The divergent coverage of Bush's apparent drug use is a textbook study in the difference between the international online media and their American counterparts. On the issue of youthful illicit drug use, most U.S. news editors -- liberal, conservative or other -- defer to Bush in a way that their foreign counterparts do not.

The New York Times broke the Bush marijuana story Friday in a front-page report on Doug Wead, a Christian activist who has published a book based in part on conversations with Bush that Wead secretly recorded in 1998 and 1999. On Wead's tapes, whose authenticity the White House does not dispute, Bush came close to admitting he had smoked marijuana and avoided answering a question about whether he had used cocaine.

"I wouldn't answer the marijuana questions. You know why? Because I don't want some little kid doing what I tried," Bush said.

On a question about cocaine, Bush said he would reply, "Rather than saying no ... I think it's time for someone to draw the line and look people in the eye and say, you know, 'I'm not going to participate in ugly rumors about me and blame my opponents,' and hold the line. Stand up for a system that will not allow this kind of crap to go on,'" according to a transcript excerpt posted on ABC's "Good Morning America" Web site.

Since Bush has never acknowledged using drugs, the international media played up the marijuana angle.

The BBC emphasized Bush's discretion in addressing the subject, saying "Bush hints he tried marijuana." So did Aljazeera: "Tapes hint Bush smoked marijuana." Swissinfo, a news site in Geneva, asked "Did Bush smoke pot?"

In Australia, the Sydney Morning Herald focused on Bush's reasoning for not talking about the issue publicly. Bush worried young people would copy his cannabis use, the paper said.

From South America to the Middle East to Asia, other news sites concluded that Bush's statements amounted to a confession.

"Bush confessed to having smoked marijuana in his youth," declared Las Ultimas Noticias (in Spanish), a Chilean tabloid. "Bush's Marijuana Confession on Television," said Zaman, a leading Turkish daily. "Bush admits using marijuana," said Rediff, a news portal in India. In Tokyo, Japan Today said, "Secret tapes indicate Bush used drugs as youth."

A few foreign sites offered more light-hearted headlines. "Bush's own 'smoking gun'," said the South Africa broadcast outlet, News24. The Economic Times of India sounded less than shocked: "Oh boy! George may have puffed on marijuana" was their headline.

In contrast, most of the traditional leaders of American journalism -- the New York Times, The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times and the TV networks -- made no mention of drugs in their headlines, although all reported the substance of what Bush said on the tapes.

The Times' story carried the headline "In Secretly Taped Conversations, Glimpses of the Future President" and mentioned marijuana in the third paragraph. The Post followed up the next day with "Secret Tapes Not Meant to Harm, Writer Says." Bush's drug comments were mentioned in the fifth paragraph of The Post story. Among national U.S. news outlets, only ABCNews.com used the M-word in a headline declaring, "New Tapes Say Bush May Have Smoked Marijuana."

Other national news outlets were more indirect. The Los Angeles Times said "Secret Tapes Show Bush's Concern Over Past." National Public Radio reported, "Phone Tapes Suggest Bush's Unlawful Past." For these sites and many others, the news was not "pot" but the "past," a word choice that signaled that the accompanying news story was not really new.

The one medium where the drug angle was emphasized was local TV news, long regarded as the most sensationalist sector of American journalism. Stations from Los Angeles ("Tape Released of Bush's Wild Party Days") to New Orleans to Johnstown, Penn., highlighted Bush's apparent drug use.

What explains the difference between the elite American media and the rest of the world?

Admission of drug use by a national leader has made front-page news before. When Bill Clinton admitted in the 1992 presidential campaign to smoking marijuana both the Times ("Clinton Admits Experiment With Marijuana in 1960's") and The Post ("Clinton Admits '60s Marijuana Use") ran the story on page one. But that was during the heat of a presidential primary campaign when such revelations can be more consequential. It could be argued that the Wead tapes, coming to light after Bush's reelection, are unlikely to alter the political equation in Washington.

The Bush administration and its supporters have never shied from criticizing news outlets like The Post and the Times for a perceived liberal bias. On tape, Bush complained about a media "campaign" against him. "It's unbelievable... they just float sewer out there," he's quoted as saying.

If the big-name newspapers had played up the drug angle it's reasonable to assume that Republicans and conservatives on talk radio would renew such accusations. They might say liberal editors were dredging up an old story from a disloyal friend to thwart the agenda of a popular conservative president.

Foreign editors (and local TV) have no such worries. They have a simpler view: George Bush using illegal drugs is worth a headline.

02-25-2005, 07:17 AM
I get the feeling this is a friendly diversion tactic similiar to the Clinton's Little Rock property deal and Oh no - let's talk about a pecker track on some chick's dress. But hey, Bill is cool, he plays the sax.

Maybe they are trying to sell Bush as cool? Who knows?

What we are not talking about in reference to Bushy-boy is cocaine, Skull and Bones and snuff videos.

The history books will be kind to Bush the pothead of his youth, as the media is leniant in their rationing of the truth. Just a little will do.

BTW They are trying to legalise pot so they can tax it and stop folks growing it for free. Advertising is advertising and Canada is on the way to legalization - not a good idea in my mind. Martin is a moron too, not only Bush.

It's lowering the bar, just like dropping the age limit. They start younger and experiment more... this we already know, if we are honest. Children will generally rebel that one step further.

"The one medium where the drug angle was emphasized was local TV news, long regarded as the most sensationalist sector of American journalism. Stations from Los Angeles ("Tape Released of Bush's Wild Party Days") to New Orleans to Johnstown, Penn., highlighted Bush's apparent drug use."

They are advertising something cuz just like Michael Jackson, you can be assured this is a three ring circus where all entertainment is planned and co-ordinated, including local TV news. This was outed for a purpose and a gain - no less.

02-25-2005, 01:45 PM
Altered States Of Mind - :-o :-o :-o

Personally I could care less what anyone chooses to drink or smoke. And besides, "mind altering drugs" are part of the "natural landscape." Indians & shamans from many different cultures have used them throughout history for all sorts of things including healing, enlightenment, & as "Carlos Castaneda" puts it, to "move" the "assemblage point" & then be able to "escape" the "reality matrix" & have access to "other worlds" or "dimensions" & “to free the self from the confines of ordinary perception” & thus to have “access to other bands of emanations or reality.” The literature covering these topics is more than extensive. For example, "The Adventure of Self-Discovery" (ISBN 0-88706-541-4), by Stanislav Grof, M.D. covers such topics as "shamanism, mysticism, psychedelic states, spontaneous visionary experiences, & psychotic episodes", & not to forget about "LSD Psychotherapy". Most, if not all of the "elite" have access to mind altering drugs & secret “pharmaceuticals”. Why do you think they are still cultivating the “opium” fields in Afghanistan? This is nothing new. The war on drugs is again, a war on the "peoples" of the world. It's another control mechanism by which they not only perpetuate their "control," but continue make "more money". They make money selling drugs & punishing the use of drugs. That’s what many people have yet to realize. The world they see on TV, brought to you by the “media” is not the “real world”. It’s all fake. The same way they sell weapons to “all sides” of those fighting a war. It's a "win-win" situation. Money.

This Is Your President's Brain On Drugs

What I care about is what they are doing w/ our country & the future of our world. That's what matters most. Our future.

02-25-2005, 04:55 PM
The "Bush Smokes Pot" headline is big news over at NORML.com.