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Ahmad
12-11-2004, 05:26 AM
In the name of God, The Gracious, The Merciful

Peace all,


The three main religions of the world are hoaxes developed by Satan to control the human beings (no insult intended). And to distort the original religion of God, Submission.

In order to control a country, a nation or all the human beings, it's important to divide them first, after that it will be easy to control and eventually destroy them by their own hands (divide and rule).

Satan has successfuly carried out this age old plan to divide, now that we are divided the time comes for the final stage of his plan, destroying the human being, his enemy once and forall.

If we look closely at the series of events, we can see that the three major religions have been driven against each other, this was trigerred by some writers who developed the "conflict of civilizations" theory. Modern religions are tools of control, used to eventually destroy the human being.

This is an excerpt of an article i found on the internet about Mel Gibson's mind-control "Passion" movie:

( Trauma-based mind control programmers and Satanic ritual abusers know that viewing graphic violence triggers dissociative states in their victims. This is especially true when victims are forced to watch the torture and/or death of a loved one. Dissociation is a disconnection from full awareness of self, time, and/or external circumstances––a mental condition that is fertile ground for altered states of consciousness.)


I believe that these "multiple personalities, or dissociation" stands for when the Jinn-companion (along with other evil Jinns) take over the mind of the victim, thus distorting God's design of (the human being in charge, with his Jinn invisible companion subservient). The Jinn-beings (you can find more about them on my website) are more apt to embrace polytheism (obsession with things and people, or unjustified fear or hate) both cases mean assigning independent powers to a thing or a person other than God (some Jinns are righteous though). Once you accept Satan's trauma, and let your Jinn companion take over with fear or obsession, you are stepping out of God's kingdom of mercy and love into Satan's kingdom of misery and chaos.


Quran (the final testament) tells us how Satan controls his followers, through instilling fear:

[3:175] It is the devil's system to instill fear into his subjects. Do not fear them and fear Me instead, if you are believers.


Mind-control though doesn't work with those devoted to GOD ALONE, those who know that there is no independent power (to harm or benefit) in anything or anyone other than God.

The test of life is based on "freedom of choice", the mind-control victims are actually not victims, they consciously choose to buy the Satanic creed, they assign powers to the tool he uses to bind them in slavery, and thus they fall victim to his control. Some of those "victims" eventually break free of his control by realizing that there is no REAL power in anything or anyone but God.

Before this make up test began, God said to Satan:

[15:42] "You have no power over My servants. You only have power over the strayers who follow you.


The choice is yours, either to buy the satanic propganada and become enslaved in a thing (money, status, beauty, NWO..etc) or a person (Jesus, Muhammad, Bush, Jackson, Spears...etc).

Once you realize that the choice is yours, you will also realize that the weapon to defeat satan and his agents is only that "Faith", the belief that ONLY God can harm or benefit you. Without this huge first step, no strategy will ever be able to save you from satan.

Abraham took this huge step out of the illusion, he became free by his own choice (nobody can take that away from you):

[6:80] His people argued with him. He said, "Do you argue with me about GOD, after He has guided me? I have no fear of the idols you set up. Nothing can happen to me, unless my Lord wills it. My Lord's knowledge encompasses all things. Would you not take heed?


Nothing to fear after becoming a Submitter:

[2:112] Indeed, those who submit themselves absolutely to GOD alone, while leading a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord; they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.

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Now what about Crucifixion ?


In order to bind poeple in slavery to him (instead of God), satan tries to traumatize them. One of the most successful hoaxes was the crucifixion.

Imagine you are following a righteous human being, whom you love and respect (without idolizing him), and then suddenly the guy gets caught and tortured infront of everybody, including you, you feel helpless, unable to do anything to save him, here comes Satan's whispers to enslave you:

When Fear (of the same fate) and love (love of the human messenger being tortured) mix together, a new obsession emerges, an obsession with the tortured, loved victim to the extent of idolizing him, calling him infallible, divine and eventually a god!. This satanicly guided process, takes time, but gradually it spreads and establishes roots.

It wasn't untill the year 325 AD that Jesus was finally declared a god for all the Christians (in the Nicene conference held by the Roman empror Constantine in an attempt to unite his kingdom around one creed).


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Unfortunately for Satan, Quran the final testament of God, exposes this mass trauma based event to be a hoax propagated by Satan's ministers of disinformation.

I will reproduce here the complete article of the late messenger of the covenant (Rashad Khalifa) who was specifically sent to restore the religion of Submission to its original Abrahamic, monotheistic, pure form (1980's).

So if you want to know tha truth that the NWO and the professional religionists don't want you to know, please take 10 minutes to read the following:






Appendix 22 available online
of the Authorized English translation of the Quran by Dr. Rashad Khalifa (the messenger of the covenant)


Jesus, the Quranic view.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

The Quran, informs us that Jesus was a human messenger of God whose sole mission was to deliver God's message; he never possessed any power, and is now dead (4:171, 5:75, 117).
Those who consider Jesus to be God, or Son of God, or part of a trinity are "pagans" (5:17, 72, 73). Outstanding Christian scholars have reached these same conclusions (THE MYTH OF GOD INCARNATE, John Hick, ed., The Westminster Press, Philadelphia, 1977 & THE MYTH MAKER, Hyam Maccoby,Harper & Row 1986). Christianity is the product of Nicene (AD 325).
The Bible's Jesus

Jesus proclaimed aloud: ``Whoever puts faith in me believes not so much in me as in him who sent me; ..... For I have not spoken on my own; no, the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to speak. Since I know that his commandment means eternal life, whatever I say is spoken just as he instructed me.'' [ John 12:44-50 ]

"I cannot do anything of myself. I judge as I hear, and my judgment is honest because I am not seeking my own will but the will of him who sent me." [ John 5:30 ]

Jesus said: ``My doctrine is not my own; it comes from him who sent me.'' [ John 7:16 ]

"Men of Israel, listen to me! Jesus the Nazorean was a man whom God sent to you with miracles, wonders, and signs as his credentials. These God worked through him in your midst, as you well know."
[ Acts 2:22 ]

``...The man who hears my word and has faith in him who sent me possesses eternal life.''
[ John 5:24 ]

"Whoever welcomes me welcomes, not me, but him who sent me."
[ Matthew 10:40, Mark 9:37, Luke 9:48, & John 13:20 ]

``...I have not come of myself. I was sent by One who has the right to send, and him you do not know. I know him because it is from him I come; he sent me.'' [ John 7:28-29 ]

Jesus looked up to heaven and said, ``...Eternal life is this: to know you, the only true God, and him whom you have sent, Jesus Christ.'' [ John 17:1-3 ]

All who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
[ Romans 8:14 ]

Jesus looked upward and said, ``Father, I thank you for having heard me. I know that you always hear me but I have said this for the sake of the crowd, that they may believe that you sent me.''
[ John 11:41-42 ]

As he was setting out on a journey a man came running up, knelt down before him and asked, ``Good Teacher, what must I do to share in everlasting life?'' Jesus answered, ``Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.'' [ Mark 10:17-18 ]

``None of those who call me `Lord' will enter the kingdom of God, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven."
[ Matthew 7:21 ]

``...Go to my brothers and tell them, `I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' '' [ John 20:17 ]

``God is my Lord and your Lord; you shall worship Him alone. This is the right path."
[ Quran 3:51, 19:36, & 43:64 ]

Trinity, the doctrine of God taught by Christians that asserts that God is one in essence but three in ``person,'' Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such,
appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: ``Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one'' (Deut. 6:4).
[ Encyclopedia Britannica, 1975 ]
Jesus' Death

This has been the single most controversial subject in the world. The Quran's miraculous mathematical code has now provided the final answer to this topic:

Jesus' soul was raised, i.e., he was put to death prior to the arrest and crucifixion of his body. Thus, his persecutors arrested, tortured, and crucified an empty body - Jesus was already gone to the world of souls (3:55, 4:157).

They plotted and schemed, but so did God, and God is the best schemer. Thus, God said,
``O Jesus, I am putting you to death, and raising you to Me; I will save you from the disbelievers.''
[ Quran 3:54-55 ]

They claimed that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of God! In fact, they never killed him; they never crucified him; they were led to believe that they did.
[ Quran 4:157 ]

Mercifully, God has given our generation a living example of a person whose soul departed this world, but his body continued to live for 19 months. On November 25, 1984, doctors at the Humana Hospital of Louisville, Kentucky removed the diseased heart of Mr. William Schroeder and replaced it with a plastic and metal pump (THE NEW YORK TIMES, Monday, November 26, 1984).

On the 19th day after this historic operation - Thursday, December 13, 1984 - Mr. Schroeder, the soul, the real person, departed this world. Mr. Schroeder died. But his body continued to function with the artificial heart implanted in his body. The world was told that he "probably suffered a stroke" (THE NEW YORK TIMES, December 14, 1984).

Significantly, only one day before Mr. Schroeder's departure, he talked with President Ronald Reagan on national TV, and demanded that the Social Security Administration send his overdue check. He was
perfectly alert. From the moment "he suffered a stroke," he did not recognize the day or time, nor his family members. In fact, Mr.Schroeder was no longer in this world.
The Gospels state clearly that the arrested body of Jesus was oblivious to the events surrounding it: The chief priests, meanwhile, brought many accusations against Jesus. Pilate interrogated him again: "Surely you have some answer? See how many accusations they are leveling against you."
But greatly to Pilate's surprise, Jesus made no further response. [ Mark 15:3-5 ]
Herod was extremely pleased to see Jesus. From the reports about him he had wanted for a long time to see him, and he was hoping to see him work some miracles. He questioned Jesus at considerable length, but Jesus made no response. The chief priests and scribes were at hand to accuse him vehemently. Herod and his guards then treated him with contempt and insult. [ Luke 23:8-11 ]

The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is the fleshly part. [Apocalypse of Peter, VII, 3, 81] from THE NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY (Harper & Row, 1977, James M.Robinson, ed, Page 339).

The facts that
(1) Mr. Schroeder's soul departed on the 19th day after the operation, and
(2) his body survived for 19 months, are uncanny reminders that God wanted the world to know the parallel between Schroeder's situation, and the proven account of Jesus' departure prior to the arrest, torture, and crucifixion of his soulless body.

Daniel
12-11-2004, 06:40 AM
For awhile now I've starting associating the sign of the cross as a reminder of what they will do to you if you don't watch out. Why is the cross a symbol of christianity. It seems more like the sign of persecution and murder.

Ahmad
12-11-2004, 10:00 AM
Peace Daniel,

The stress on the cross as a symbol has a significance, Satan wants to remind his followers of the trauma induced by him (the crucifixion) continously, so that they can't break free from slavery to him easily.

zanyzan311
12-11-2004, 10:26 AM
allright, here it is. this is the problem i have with islam. you cant just quote some verses from the Bible to prove your point while at the same disregarding other verses that discredit what you say. Jesus either was the Son of God or he was a complete madman. HE states this. Peter calls Him that. As He's casting out demons, they say as much. You cant just accept some of which he says. If he wasnt the Son, then he was a madman and a blasphemer. If He was just a man as you say and JUST a prophet as Islam states, then youre all terribly misguided. How could you accept a prophet who claims to have powers that God alone has. He would have to be delusional to say those things and probably possessed by a demon. There's no logical way Jesus could just be a prophet. And Ahmad what Bible are you using to quote those verses? I would like to know what translation that is

Ahmad
12-11-2004, 10:39 AM
Peace Zanyzan311,

Jesus was not a madman, he was an honorable messenger of God. God bestowed upon him profound miracles to support him and reassure his followers (those who believe his message) that he is indeed a messenger of God.

As for the references in the bible that says he was the son of God, or he is the lord and savior, they are satanic injections that were never delivered by Jesus.

How do i know that? because i believe in Quran, it is the final testament superseding all the previous scriptures and confirming them, which means that whenever we want to know the truth about something in the bible, we consult Quran.

As for which translation of the bible it is, i don't know! since the above are not my quotes, they are quoted by the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa in his appendices to the authorized english translation of Quran.

[5:116] GOD will say, "O Jesus, son of Mary, did you say to the people, `Make me and my mother idols beside GOD?' " He will say, "Be You glorified. I could not utter what was not right. Had I said it, You already would have known it. You know my thoughts, and I do not know Your thoughts. You know all the secrets.

[5:117] "I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.

zanyzan311
12-11-2004, 10:44 AM
Furthermore, in Mark15:2 Jesus answers Pilate. He was surprised at the fact that Jesus nothing more to defend himself after that. So Jesus did speak as he did later on on the cross. Mark 15:34. Now i would agree about some your issues regarding the cross. But just because man has screwed something up does not decrease its validity. And just because the majority of christians have christianity wrong does not make christianity wrong. Just because some Muslims practice Islam in a perverted way does not invalidate Islam. These types of discussions are wastes of time anyway, because youre just perpetuating the polarization. Anyone who is on this site obviously has spent time researching their beliefs and are not likely to be swayed. Cant we discuss more pressing matters. And why here even do we see attacks on Christianity? Christians never attack the tenets of Muslim faith. They may however question some actions of MUslims. Although the tenets of the Christian faith are attacked by all. Seems like Satan is at work. Youre just battin for the wrong team

zanyzan311
12-11-2004, 10:49 AM
Allright ahmad. But then how are we to know which verses are Satanic injections? If God allowed to Satan to penetrate one the "testaments" how do you know he didnt inject anything into the "final testament". ANd who decides what is or isnt a satanic injection. It seems to leave an issue that large open to interpretation would prove foolish.

Ahmad
12-11-2004, 10:59 AM
Peace Zanyzan311,


You asked: " how are we to know which verses are Satanic injections? If God allowed to Satan to penetrate one the "testaments" how do you know he didnt inject anything into the "final testament"



The final testament, Quran's text is built mathematically beyond our human ability. 19 is the common deniminator of the whole text, 19 stands for the Alpha and Omega (God), it is a sign that could be easily appreciated and verified by any Christian, Jewish or a believer to reassure his heart.

The first function of this miracle was that it exposed two short false verses in Quran, which were added to exalt Muhammad (the corrupt muslim's idol).

This miracle was reserved for 1400 years hidden in the text, untill the year 1974 when God revealed it to us through the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa.

For more info. please visit this link:

www.usn2161.net/19miracle.html

konock2u
12-11-2004, 01:13 PM
There is a lot of talk abut satan and God, and I wonder... what or who do you think Satan is, and what or who do you think God is? Are they spirits or powers inside of people or are they outside? Or are they people? Have you met them in person? Are they permeating forces that move people to do things? How do we know they exist?

Also, is there a "your truth" and "my truth", or is there truth. Let's say I walk outside and meet my neighbor and he says something and I slap his face. We both go inside our houses and I write down my truth and he writes down his truth, but the fact is - there is only one truth. The words that he said are a matter of truth - whatever was said was said. The slap that I gave him is a matter of truth - whatever was done was done.

Ahmad
12-11-2004, 01:49 PM
Peace konock2u,

Satan is everything evil on earth, he is a separate invisible entity made of smokless fire, he is arrogant, proud and determined to destroy the human being, by first enslaving him through sinful lusts, fear and desire.

God is everything good, God is a superhuman entity that is separate from His creation, yet He knows everything and controls everyone that exists on earth and in the universe.

He is the Lord of the east and the west and everything between them,

the Lord of the heavens and the earth,

He is the One who created you from nothing, He is the One who stabilizes the whole universe in its place, without His support everything will just vanish.

He is your Lord and the Lord of your ancestors, He controls every single happening in your life.

Nothing happens at random, there is a plan, there is order therefore God exists.

konock2u
12-11-2004, 03:26 PM
Peace, Ahmad.

Your knowledge of satan and God are based upon what - what you have read? or what you have experienced? or what you have received from revelation? How do you KNOW what you know about satan and God?

Ahmad
12-12-2004, 04:22 AM
Peace konock2u,


You asked: "How do you KNOW what you know about satan and God?"


My knowledge of Satan and God is based on deep feeling of the forces of good and evil in the work all around us. Then comes God's inspiration if we are really sincere, God inspires us of the truth, that He Alone has power to harm or benefit.

God also sent us a gift, a reminder, a book from outer space coded in an impossible to imitate numerical structure. The book reminds us of who is the Real God and who is the fake god.

I invite you to pick one chapter from the link below and start reading, perhaps your Lord will guide you to the truth.


Warning: I am not affiliated with this website because they idolize the messenger, and mix his message with their opinions in a confusing mix, so if you want to further read their website, i recommend that you read ONLY the authorized translation by the messenger Rashad Khalifa as well as the 38 appendices to it, may God guide you to the straight path.

http://www.submission.org/Q-T.html

Daniel
12-12-2004, 05:36 AM
Code knock?

Your statement regarding truth is right on. I hate it when I'm explaining something to a friend and he'll say well thats your truth. or he'll say thats coming from how you were brought up, I was brought up this way and therefore.

Truth is truth, there can be no different variations of truth. Truth is truth.

Plain and simple.

billiard
12-12-2004, 10:28 AM
ahmad knows what he knows because he got it in the quran . and he believes it to be the last word in all matters religious . i,for one,do not. i agree that folks on this site have probably done sufficient thoughtful research and believe what they do and won't be swayed . while I respect your right to believe the quran ahmad , and am relieved that there are moslem people who don't want to blow me up or cut off my head ,i wish you would tone down your religious rhetoric a bit . have you gotten any converts here ? no . and you probably won't but what you will do is annoy people with your proselytizing . and you're beginning to annoy me .

konock2u
12-12-2004, 10:28 AM
Peace, Ahmad.

You have said that your knowledge of satan and God is based upon deep feeling and inspiration from God as well as a book.

When someone comes to me and asks me to believe what they believe about satan and God because they feel it and because of private inspiration that they have had, I'll have to say no thanks.

If I am going to believe something of such great importance, my belief will have to come from provable facts and deductive reasoning as well as verification of the facts within my own life.

I haven't experienced any force that can make me do wrong or any force that can make me do right other than my own will.

Daniel
12-12-2004, 01:51 PM
Your Will Power is your God Power. God does nothing for you, ONLY YOU can do for yourself.

marypopinz
12-12-2004, 02:53 PM
Billiard,I have to agree.

Please stop trying to convert everyone here.

Moslem dude - your faith is your faith and I sincerely believe you have found truth in your faith.

Please respect the right of the individual to find their faith too. Unfortunately, when I see I sight you have posted, I generally don't read it as I have quickly learned to expect endless quotations for the Quran.

I'd rather get to you as opposed to your book. You, my dear give meaning to your religion through who you are and what you do. Allow us to share your thoughts and feelings on life, and we'd learn much more about your religion.

If you may only preach conversion and quote the Quran, people will soon tire of your company, no matter how interesting what you have to say, might have been.

Life and God is all about relationships.

Howse about an inspirational story regarding how your faith has brought you through some crazy circumstance? Or what crazy thing you noticed in your neck of the woods?

Anything but endless quotes please.

Mary XXX

MrOtis
12-12-2004, 05:07 PM
Peace, Ahmad,

Your theory holds no water. It is documented from sources outside the Bible--hostile sources--that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem c. A.D. 33, and that His followers worshipped Him as God in places as far away as Rome and Asia Minor by the early 2nd century, 200 years before the Council of Nicaea.

Ahmad
12-13-2004, 04:39 AM
Peace MrOtis,

I didn't claim that Jesus was not crucified!, a message from God to all humanity say that God raised his soul to Him (saved him) just before the torture began.

How could you think for a minute that God won't save the faithful!

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I am sure that the hypocrites soon worshipped him as a god, same like the corrupt muslims did with Muhammad!, the Nicene conference though settled the disagreement on this crucial point and made it mandatory on every christian to worship Jesus as a god.

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Peace Billiard,

you said: "i agree that folks on this site have probably done sufficient thoughtful research and believe what they do and won't be swayed ."

I think it's better if we leave everybody to express his thoughts on his own!


you said: "i wish you would tone down your religious rhetoric a bit . have you gotten any converts here ? no . and you probably won't but what you will do is annoy people with your proselytizing ."

Again speak only for yourself please.

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Peace marypopinz,

You said: "when I see I sight you have posted, I generally don't read it as I have quickly learned to expect endless quotations for the Quran."

Well, that was my advice, i am glad you listened.
If you don't want to hear the words of your Lord, nobody can force you!

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Peace Konock2u,

You said: "If I am going to believe something of such great importance, my belief will have to come from provable facts and deductive reasoning as well as verification of the facts within my own life."


If you really need a physical proof, check this link:

www.usn2161.net/19miracle.html

You said: "I haven't experienced any force that can make me do wrong or any force that can make me do right other than my own will."

God gave you the freedom of choice ONLY. This means that your force is limited to CHOOSING, we get righteous inspirations from God (all the FREE, good thoughts), and we also get evil whispers from Satan (all the bad, DRIVEN thoughts), ultimately it's your call, however no choice can materialize except if God allows it to.

By the way, who created you?

666
12-13-2004, 10:21 AM
Can every letter in the Koran be converted to

a number for deeper analysis ?

marypopinz
12-13-2004, 10:50 AM
Ahmad... I can read my own Quran, peace and thank, as stated,I would rather get to know your religion and faith through you as a person, and not your quotations.

Mary XXX

Ahmad
12-14-2004, 09:18 AM
Marypopinz...I can't write without my quotations. You seem to have a problem with God's words, you should know better what's the consequences of ignoring God when He sends us a message.

Again you can always skip my posts.


Peace 666,

You said: "Can every letter in the Koran be converted to a number for deeper analysis ?"

We can convert every letter to a number, but i think the meanings come from words or passages, not from single letters. If your question is about the numerical values, yes there is a system that God revealed, you can find it on my website.

Did you know that the 666 is the numerical identity of Quran?

666
12-14-2004, 09:23 AM
Ahmad ...

The Torah is built on such a system.

With the Torah EVERY LETTER is a WORD and

a NUMBER simulaneously and both give DEEPER

meaning to the text.

Have YOU looked into it to SEE where it is

wrong ?

If it is inferior to the Koran how come

the Jews rule with such " poor " information ?

marypopinz
12-14-2004, 10:36 AM
Ahmad, dude

I don't have a problem with God's words. I do appreciate you keep telling me these words, are from God. All of them, every one.

If they are, so be it. Your point is... convert to your point or view? Or what? God loves me just the way I am, thank you very much. Jesus taught me that one. He wants me to be a better person. It's a dummy who walks away from a good teacher until they have learnt everything that teacher has to offer.

And if I have found what that teacher had said to always ring true in day to day life... I should worship the words of your book?... your perspective of God from your culture? I appreciate it and I am different. Can you appreciate the beauty of our differneces?

I have and do study your Quran so as to gain a broader understanding of humanity... something I thing Jesus would appreciate us all doing. Does Mohhamed say remain ignorant of those who don't think the same way and dress the same way and have different skin color than you?

You explain to me the difference between racism and religionism, please? I'm sick to death of my God is greater than yours, my religion is better, my house is bigger, my car is faster, my clothes are more expensive.

Materialism sucks. People believe more in the things of this world and the evil it has created... greed...religion...politics...what about God?

Your book may true from front to back for all I know. Only God knows the absolute truth. My faith is working for me. I am happy. I have peace in my life. I respect your faith.

Can you please offer what the promise of the Quran is? Is it similiar to the Bible in hoping for a time of peace?

That message got lost in the Christian religion "formerly known as" Satanism. In the West, it's a Hollywood Revelation - Armageddon - to average Christian sheeple: person who has been brainwashed to believe they may not think or act for themselves

Peace Bruv!

Mary XXX

marypopinz
12-14-2004, 10:43 AM
Daniel,I agree wholeheartedly: the message in the advertising is be prepared to suffer

What happened to preparing for peace? A dove with an olive branch perhaps?

Mary XXX

666
12-14-2004, 10:44 AM
Quote
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Materialism sucks.
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Yes it does, however from the Jewish point

of view prosperity is a sign that God is with

you (even though you may not be with him).


So if Islam is true why are so many Islamic

countries starving if God is on their side ?

Which father would want their childre to

go hungry ?

If you can master your material world doesn't

this give weight that you have a better

understading of the spiritual world ?

marypopinz
12-14-2004, 10:57 AM
666 you've played devil's advocate for both sides.

Money comes, money goes. Things come, things go. Life is always changing. It's about relationships, people, family, humanity and God - the constant in life.

Sometimes you have money and live a good life. Sometimes you are poor and live a good life.

What greater wisdom is there than kindness, 666?

Do you think God would deny any of his children food? Let alone a specific race or creed or colour? Bush and the NWO are doing the devil's work. We are standing by witnessing state sponsored terrorism with a "Christian Crusade" flavour. "They have stains on their souls", said that idiot military brainwashed dude. Do you think he hates their religion or their colour or both? Hate is hate.

There is no chosen race. This I believe. God chose us all. That's love. He did not want to leave not one behind... that's kindness.

You have to follow your heart to heaven and let your conscious and kindness be your guide. If you can recognize the "conscious" mind of Christ... you'll have all the love in the world behind you. That is the spirit of God: the power to do good and create for the better.

Peace to all nations

What is Islam's promise for the future please?

Mary XXX

marypopinz
12-14-2004, 11:02 AM
Zany, saw this and thought it applied

"Those who dance appear insane to those who can't hear the music" Mark Kleiman

Ahmad
12-15-2004, 05:02 AM
" God loves me just the way I am"

This is a satanic logic (no insult intended), God's love is conditional. If a person idolizes a creature (e.g: Jesus, Muhammad) and hold him high in a level rivaling God, then He is promised the wrath of God in all the scriptures.

You keep saying, "Jesus taught me that..", "Jesus wants me to do this..", Do you think God, The Initiator of the heavens and the earth like to be equated with a creature of His!?. God is the source of Jesus's knowledge, Jesus on his own is 100% powerless to benefit or harm anyone, he is a creature like you and me who is in need for God's support.

If you have a bit of reverence to God, you should really repent and start devoting yourself to God ALONE.

I never called for a "fake" religion, i am calling to the true original religion of God, that has been subverted and divided into 3 main corrupt religions. This religion is called "Submission".

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And for 666,

Isalm has been corrupted by the same forces that has corrupted Judaism and Christianity.

That's why they are defeated in every aspect of life. As for the Jewish, Quran says that they are being tested by this vast wealth and control, however the prophecy says that because of their misuse of these powers, they will be soon annihilated, and that's the reason God is gathering the hardcore zionists in Israel.

[17:4] We addressed the Children of Israel in the scripture: "You will commit gross evil on earth, twice. You are destined to fall into great heights of arrogance.

[17:5] "When the first promise came to pass, we sent against you servants of ours who possess severe might, they invaded your homes. The promise was indeed fulfilled.


[17:6] "Afterwards, we gave you a turn over them, and we supplied you with a lot of wealth and children; we gave you the upper hand.

[17:7] "If you work righteousness, you work righteousness for your own good, but if you commit evil you do so to your own detriment. Thus, when the second time comes to pass, they will defeat you and enter the masjid, just as they did the first time. They will wipe out all the gains you had accomplished."

[17:8] Your Lord showers you with His mercy. But if you revert to transgression, we will counter with retribution. We have designated Gehenna as a final abode for the disbelievers.

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The myth of God's Chosen is shattered by the following verses:


-Indeed God has chosen the children of Israel,

[44:30-32]
Meanwhile, we saved the Children of Israel from the humiliating persecution.
From Pharaoh; he was a tyrant.
We have chosen them from among all the people, knowingly.
We showed them so many proofs, which constituted a great test.



-But they failed to uphold their covenant with God, and disregarded the Torah in favor of the Talmoud (same like the Muslims did with Quran, they favored "Hadith").

[62:5] The example of those who were given the Torah, then failed to uphold it, is like the donkey carrying great works of literature. Miserable indeed is the example of people who rejected GOD's revelations. GOD does not guide the wicked people.

[62:6] Say, "O you who are Jewish, if you claim that you are GOD's chosen, to the exclusion of all other people, then you should long for death if you are truthful!"

[62:7] They will never long for it, because of what they have committed. GOD is fully aware of the wicked.

[62:8] Say, "The death that you are trying to evade will catch up with you sooner or later. Then you will be returned to the Knower of all secrets and declarations, then He will inform you of everything you had done."

madkhao
12-15-2004, 09:34 AM
The Torah is built on such a system.

With the Torah EVERY LETTER is a WORD and

a NUMBER simulaneously and both give DEEPER

meaning to the text.


If the equivalent of the quaran is 666 (by the way, thank you very much for the warning)
what is the equivalent of the Torah? Also, does the New Testament have an equivalent number?

Born_To_Die
12-15-2004, 10:29 AM
The number system in the Torah demonstrates the bewildering array of computations involved in
putting the Torah together ... once you see this yourself you quickly realize that man could not have written it ... in fact you don't have to read much of the Torah to come to this conclusion ... in my case the first 7 Hebrew words of Genesis was enough to prove that the Torah is not of this world ... as a sidenote ... the world " religion " does not exist in the Hebrew language ... 1. because you don't need it. 2. because it is destructive to man as we can all testify to.

To Ahmad I would say that if 1 Billion had the
Truth ... Islam would rule the world ... because
the Truth IS Power want it or not.

madkhao
12-15-2004, 11:05 AM
Born_To_Die,

Thanks for not answering my question. I don't understand what your point is on this forum either. Could you be more clear for me please?
I am not as smart as the other members and I just don't get what you are trying to say.

Ahmad
12-20-2004, 08:03 AM
Peace btd,

This 1 billion Muslims unfortunately follow the wrong satanic version of Submission, everything has been distorted in the religion of God, that's why they are defeated.

God's religion was and is ONE religion, the religion of our father Abraham, Satan injected his false polytheistic beliefs into the three stages of it (Judaism, Christianity, Islam), not untill the messenger of the covenant Rashad Khalifa purified the religion from the injections (using the miracle of 19 in Quran in 1974) that we have recieved the true religion of God, Submission.

As for the numerical structure of the Torah, that's a fact confirmed in Quran, the final testament. However due to the magnitude of distortions it can't be restored, as for Quran only two verses were found not conforming with the overall mathematical composition.

Here is the reference to the miracle in the Torah, from appendix 1 to the authorized english translation of Quran,






A Witness From the Children of Israel [46:10]

Proclaim: "What if it is from God, and you disbelieved in it? A
witness from the Children of Israel has borne witness to a similar
phenomenon, and he has believed, while you have turned too arrogant
to believe. God does not guide the wicked." [ 46:10 ]

The following quotation is taken from STUDIES IN JEWISH MYSTICIM, (Association for Jewish Studies, Cambridge, Mass., Joseph Dan & Frank Talmage, eds., Page 88, 1982). The quotation refers to the work of Rabbi Judah the Pious (12th Century AD):

The people [Jews] in France made it a custom to add [in the morning prayer] the words: "`Ashrei temimei derekh [blessed are those who walk the righteous way]," and our Rabbi, the Pious, of blessed memory, wrote that they were completely and utterly wrong. It is all gross falsehood, because there are only nineteen times that the Holy Name is mentioned [in that portion of the morning prayer]... and similarly you find the word `Elohim nineteen times in the pericope of Ve-'elleh shemot.... Similarly, you find that Israel were called "sons" nineteen times, and there are many other examples. All these sets of nineteen are intricately intertwined, and they contain many secrets and esoteric meanings, which are contained in more than eight large volumes... Furthermore, in this section there are 152 (19x8) words.



Rashad Khalifa, Oh.D



So now that you can see the clear precedent in your book, would you believe in God's final testament?


Ahmad Nishi Toba

marypopinz
12-20-2004, 07:54 PM
"it's the many secrets and esoteric meanings..."

that doesn't sound like God to me.

Just my opinion
XXX

sablefish
12-20-2004, 08:36 PM
I believe in submission to the will of God/Allah/Jehovah.. or whatever you call the divine Being/Life-force.. and all I have to do is follow my heart.. and believe in the goodness of man.. his/her/it's creation... It's that simple to me..

Phooey on all these warmongering types... Religion (Even the Monotheists) have been used by politicians for centuries to divide and rule the suckers who do not believe that God is love... In it's purest form.

I believe in submission to the Devine... I also believe in resistance to evil... I trust my heart to discern the difference... Yet, I submit to my destiny not knowing my place in it, and not knowing the effect of my short and humble life, in the tapestry of time, and rug being woven, or what the pattern might be.. I don't care, as I am playing my part thru prayers and faith.

A small thread being woven into a large carpet.. It is not my place to know the eventual pattern of completion. Nore is it my place to care.

Ahmad
12-21-2004, 04:48 AM
Peace SB,

Very well said. There is a litmus test for anyone who proclaims or claims that he is a "Submitter" to God alone.

It is simply a miracle, a superhuman miracle that was found in Quran to reassure the hearts of the Jewish, Christians and the believers that Quran is the final testament to confirm and supersede the previous scriptures.

Without belief in Quran, without believing God's message to you, there is no Submission, at least not to God ALONE.

More on:

www.usn2161.net/19miracle.html


Ahmad Nishi Toba