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truebeliever
12-02-2005, 12:37 AM
http://www.thegodmovie.com/images/DVD-front125x177s5k.jpg

http://www.thegodmovie.com/index.php

Oh boy! The best yet with ROCKING soundtrak!
another..."The Jesus story is NOTHING BUT..."

And the facts? Well, i've only seen the trailer but from the brief glimpse it would appear the usual stuff is aired...

1. Story of Jesus is similar to "other" myths and stories.

2. Commentator says..."it's doubtful Mark thought he was writing history."

Oh well, i guess that wraps it up.

Such PENETRATING analysis.

My fave is the one that it's just "another Hero myth".

Heard the one about the hero who is offered power over others but instead fights for truth and justice...yadda, yadda, yadda...

Well i note that the "myth" of George Washington who was offered a "Kingship" over the new America's but rejected it in favour of a Republic by and for the people.

Quite clearly this story mirrors quite closely "other" myths about earthly temptations being over come. I think i'll do a doco "proving" the 'other' George actually did'nt exist. I'll put a seriously rocking soundtrak to it and that should get the young 'uns in.

Will try to get a hold of it and post.

Downloading now from torrent.

Here are some quotes from the torrent site!!!!!!!

Holding modern Christianity up to a merciless spotlight, this bold and hilarious new film asks the questions few dare to ask. And when it finds out how crazy the answers are, it dares to call them crazy.

Your guide through the bizarre world of Christendom is former fundamentalist Brian Flemming, who unflinchingly explores the absurdity of belief and believers. Along the way, you will discover:

* Jesus Christ is likely a fictional character, a legend never based on a real human.
* Christian doctrine contradicts itself at every turn, and encourages immorality when it serves the religion.
* The beliefs of moderate Christians make even less sense than those of extremists.
* And God simply isn't there.

The God Who Wasn't There may delight you or anger you. Perhaps it will do both. But you'll never look at Christianity the same again.

Hold on to your faith. It's in for a bumpy ride.
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Great movie, there's no god or Allah or the holy spirit, there's just you and the people around you and anyone says differently is full of shit because they can't prove it
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This documentary was fantastic, simply amazing! I hereby deny the holy spirit - I am not afraid! This piece really helped me clear up some personal issues, I now much better see that I too was indoctrinated to believe - protestant, christianity lite, truly meaningless ;) Thank you so much for sharing, I'll never delete this, I'm watching it with my family if I can convince them to ignore the lack of subtitles.
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Wow! These comments are really hurtful! I think i'll head off to the U.N. See if Kofi cant get a new "hate law" enacted to protect my sensitive feelings. :-(

Saturnino
12-02-2005, 05:10 AM
The name of this crap comes from the book:
"The God Who Is There" by Francis Schaeffer. The book is so profound, that you have to read it twice so you can understand it.

Schaeffer was a philosopher and a pastor. His discussion is extremely cultivated. He was probably one of the best minds of the XX century. He destroyed existencialism for me. One can not deny God's existence after reading the book. Buy it NOW. At Amazon it costs US$ 0,98 used. Or stay in ignorance forever.

But...reading Schaeffer takes time and brains. Easier to watch a rock and roll video. Duhhh...

It is this attitude of pride and lack of humility that I despise. A bunch of kids without ANY understanding of anything, now decided to tell the world that we have been wrong for 2,000 years.

We should worship these geniuses.

George_Bush
12-02-2005, 05:11 AM
Thanks for the link, TB. It's not only hurtful, to me it is the most asinine bane and infuriating notion in existance.

They have made an open challenge. These are the mockers that 2 Pet. said would come in the later days. And 2 Tim. 2 comes to mind immediately.

It is infuriating because I actually have studied the Gnostic documents in Theology school. They are clearly the works of 2nd and 3rd century Neo-Platonists. They can even be accurately dated by paleography.

I guess MTV is helping to make Docetic Gnosticism 'chic' again.

So, they've declared their final war. All the cards are on the table. It's an open challenge before all heaven and earth.

If any of you have read the Jesus Mysteries, you will know how pernicious these people really are. The casual reader is likely to be fully deceived by the Jesus Mysteries.

I can say this much about Jesus Mysteries and all works like it, Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy are two of the biggest liars in the world today. That book is full of errors of every kind. It is the epitome of the dialectic craft.

However, in the end, I know of no greater center of falsehood, pseudo-scholarship, and blatent antichristianty than that brood of vipers that calls itself the 'Jesus Seminar'.

Folks, these people are in league with one another, I assure you. They are ALL members of the same occult circles. And they a vomiting out the flood of lies from the mouth of the Red Dragon himself.

I commend to the Word of God.

George_Bush
12-02-2005, 05:19 AM
I'll add one more thing:

If you read any work of non-fiction this year concerning this issue, I suggest that you read

Hidden Gospels: How the Search for Jesus Lost its Way (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0195156315/104-2799580-6316737?v=glance&n=283155)

Jenkins goes into depth concerning the theoretical gospel of Q, and the Gnostic 'gospels' that the Jesus Seminar has been promoting for the last several years.

Jenkins' thesis is devistating. It completely and wholly obliterates the very foundation of the Jesus Seminar.

truebeliever
12-02-2005, 05:40 AM
You know it's such a BEAUTIFUL scam.

Just as George is on the downward run. The evangelicals have made fools of themselves. The "Christian" support of the war in many U.S circles has shown them as frauds...now we can expect a FLOOD of these things and I expect a heck of a lot of books too.

Relax, it's quite entertaining. Hell, i dont even know half the bible but I wish like hell, being a former Jungian, someone would ask me some of their questions about Greek myths and Jesus as they did in one of the clips.

These "New Age Humanists" will read Jung and Joseph Campbell till the cows come home and yet forget one thing. Jung never doubted the historical reality of Jesus Christ and I have never read of Joseph Campbell directly saying that he believed Christ a "figment" of peoples imaginations and a mere rendering of old myths in some new form.

Myths are direct representations of "archetypal" patterns of behaviour. Like patterns of numbers, or the beat of classical music they "last" because they "resonate" in the very core of a human being.

Christ WAS and IS the walking/talking archetypal pattern of God incarnate in the 3 dimensional world. That many similar "myths" precede him means only that we are seeing a "divine" work in motion. Close to the archetypal core.

Whatever the ACTUAL "exact" truth of things...the arguments used by these people are as transparent as hell, even to a Gospel neophyte like myself.

I could'nt give a stuff that they question things...it's as you say SAT...the SHEER arrogance!

Me thinks the move against Christianity in America inparticular has a lot to do with the Christian extremists bringing up an EQUALLY extremist position in the Humanists.

Now just WHO is behind the Christian extremist Bush? :roll:

"Sniff, sniff...i smells me a Humanist female President on the way...maybe a grey haired male one by the name of Clinton heading the U.N too..."

Oh the symmetry!

George_Bush
12-02-2005, 05:52 AM
Yep. Quite true, TB. The right wing and evangelical support of Bush has sealed the case. There's no way out now. They've already 'sold their souls' to America as it were.

And as far as Cambell and Jung, you are correct again. These were trying to analyse the historical Jesus. They didn't question the historical reality of a Jesus of Nazareth.

This is actually even worse then 1st century gnosticism that John writes again in his 1st Epistle.

This is 100 times more brazen. These people even go where the Jesus Seminar is affraid to go - the denial, not only that Jesus was the Son of God, but that 'Jesus of Nazareth' himself never existed.

The utter folly of a such a statement is on par with someone claiming that Nero Caesar never existed; that Alexander the Great was just another Greek Myth..etc.

These people are pure fools! And they are dishonest at that.

But where did this really come from?

The Ivory Towers of acedemia and atheism? Close, but not quite.

It came straight out of Satanic occultism.

This little informational video, which takes an 'irreverant' look at the 'Jesus Myth', comes directly from Satanists and nothing less.

Oh, yes..I almost forgot, this pendulum swing has in fact paved a BEAUTIFUL HIGHWAY for...

my soul shudders...

my heart melts...

my mind turns to branchwater at the very hint...

It has paved a HIGHWAY for.....

She who must not be named!


truebeliever wrote:
You know it's such a BEAUTIFUL scam.

Just as George is on the downward run. The evangelicals have made fools of themselves. The "Christian" support of the war in many U.S circles has shown them as frauds...now we can expect a FLOOD of these things and I expect a heck of a lot of books too.

Relax, it's quite entertaining. Hell, i dont even know half the bible but I wish like hell, being a former Jungian, someone would ask me some of their questions about Greek myths and Jesus as they did in one of the clips.

These "New Age Humanists" will read Jung and Joseph Campbell till the cows come home and yet forget one thing. Jung never doubted the historical reality of Jesus Christ and I have never read of Joseph Campbell directly saying that he believed Christ a "figment" of peoples imaginations and a mere rendering of old myths in some new form.

Myths are direct representations of "archetypal" patterns of behaviour. Like patterns of numbers, or the beat of classical music they "last" because they "resonate" in the very core of a human being.

Christ WAS and IS the walking/talking archetypal pattern of God incarnate in the 3 dimensional world. That many similar "myths" precede him means only that we are seeing a "divine" work in motion. Close to the archetypal core.

Whatever the ACTUAL "exact" truth of things...the arguments used by these people are as transparent as hell, even to a Gospel neophyte like myself.

I could'nt give a stuff that they question things...it's as you say SAT...the SHEER arrogance!

Me thinks the move against Christianity in America inparticular has a lot to do with the Christian extremists bringing up an EQUALLY extremist position in the Humanists.

Now just WHO is behind the Christian extremist Bush? :roll:

"Sniff, sniff...i smells me a Humanist female President on the way...maybe a grey haired male one by the name of Clinton heading the U.N too..."

Oh the symmetry!

truebeliever
12-02-2005, 07:04 AM
It's downloading at a fair rate of knots. Will post by Monday.

Saturnino
12-02-2005, 12:33 PM
I was just reading an oath that Satanist Jack Parson took (the jet propulsion lab guy, friend of Crowley and Hubbard) and he says in one point something about the Babalon Whore Hilarion...

Yes, Hilarion...is it a coincidence ? Does anyone knows what Hilarion means ?

truebeliever
12-02-2005, 06:02 PM
Just watched the first 15 minutes. DISGUSTING!

I hope they do a little better for the rest of it.

Try to bash the nutty Christians by using Charles MAnson as an example of a person who thought he was Christ. Wha!

Pathetic.

Saturnino
12-03-2005, 12:05 PM
Charles Mason could be an antiChrist, not Jesus !!!

The man belonged to a known Satanist group in California...the same one that guy in New York who killed all those women did. During his trial he kept flashing Masonic signs in the hope that the judge would free him.

One must be VERY ignorant in order to swallow the association of Mason with fundamentalist Christians. But aren't they indeed ?

truebeliever
12-04-2005, 09:34 PM
It's pretty amaturish and is filled with a man who is pissed at his fundamentalist schooling and general upbringing. So would I be.

The usual suspects...yawnnnnnnnn...

With Bush on the homeward run to undermining completely the U.S economy and social fabric. With Bush completing the icing on the cake of confirming for people that religion is a dangerous ideology that must be banned...we get this. It's fairly amateurish and will only be speaking to the confirmed Liberal choir. After all, how hard is it to "bash" the idiot evangelicals and other extremist elements of Christianity?

I cant help but feel the gift that keeps on giving - Problem/Reaction/Solution, is being played out here between two diametrically opposed world views...the extreme "fundamentalist" Christian movement and the extreme "fundamentalist" materialist/rationalist (Liberal aka: Satanism/Communism with flowers) movement. Actually, when you think about it, they are one in the same as they are both wed to "literal", materialist type - dogma, that is woefully lacking in the finer points of spiritual insight.

There is some serious disrespect here also. Some of the things hinted at are ridiculous. Especially at the start.

www.members.iinet.net.au/~falluga

Ya know what I find MOST amazing about the so called "Left". While they get justifiably pissed at the worst of "fundamentalism" they simply CANNOT make the distinction between the failings of the church and individual men responsible for various bastardizations of holy texts.

If any one can point out the evil and "controlling" aspects of the 4 Gospels...please let me know.

Also, can the so called "Left" please stop blaming religion for wars and horrors and begin to blame the men who pull the strings in the various Elite banking houses or are they afraid of losing their foundation sponsorship if they point this out?

igwt
12-04-2005, 10:53 PM
Thanks for posting True Believer. The documentary makers forget a known principle. Can't recall the exact name but I can give you an example.

A number of witnesses can observe an event. When recalling the event, a very short time afterwards, each witness will describe it in terms that may contradict the other witnesses. Does that mean they are lying? It's understood (psycologically speaking) it is the way the brain retains data and then recalls it.

See the following:

Interviewing (http://www.law.indiana.edu/webinit/tanford/archive/interviewing.html)

A. INTRINSIC PROBLEMS OF PERCEPTION, MEMORY, AND RECALL:

Witnesses to an event do not remember it either accurately or completely.

What causes such distortions in memory? The answer is found in the nature of the memory process. Psychologists divide memory into three states: acquisition, retention, and retrieval of information. Events at any of these stages can be the cause of memory failure. The information simply may not have been perceived in the first place because the witness was not looking, the lighting was bad, the event did not seem important, or many events took place in a very short time. Alternatively, the event initially may have been perceived incorrectly because the witness was under stress or because the witness interpreted the event consistently with his or her expectations and stereotypes.

nomad
12-05-2005, 04:06 AM
Any mention of the fact that both the revered Jewish

Talmud AND the Holy Koran both talk about

Jesus and his mother ? ... how can these great

religions talk about someone who never existed ?

It would negate them both.

nomad
12-05-2005, 04:27 AM
stupid movie made by someone who obviously doesn't

know the basics of Christianity nor of other belief

systems ... however I believe we should support

these kinds of movies for all religions ...

if for nothing else to open up the discussion of

all them ... and may those that are proved false

die.