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Drew_J
12-06-2005, 04:26 PM
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Is Fritz Springmeier, author of Bloodlines of the Illuminati (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_satanic_bloodlines.htm), in fact Illuminati himself?

THE MASTER PLAN OF THE ILLUMINATED ROTHSCHILDS
http://www.heart7.net/master-plan.htm

RP: Have there been any repercussions, like threats on your life for helping Illuminati Rothschild survivors?

MK: Virtually none. The Lord has helped me to not be afraid and as long as he wants me to be alive and untouched, he won't allow anyone to get to me.

RP: What do you think of _______ (name of individual intentionally withheld), who is regarded as one of the foremost authorities on the Illuminati and mind control and has written several books on the subject matter?

MK: I think he's a double-agent working for the other side [the Illuminati]. ______ never gets to the bottom line of what it takes to get people free of this stuff. He tells alot of truth but complicates it and leaves alot of people feeling hopeless and confused... ... He says he's a Christian yet leaves his family and moves in with a MONARCH woman, who he says he's deprogrammed but the reality is she's still being controlled. And this is not just my opinion but also therapists who specialize in MPD or what they now call, DID [Dissociative Identity Disorder]. Some of these experts in the field who have evaluated him during his presentations say that he has the characteristics of a programmer and someone under mind control... He and ______ had gone to a church near Portland [Oregon] telling the pastor they have an Illuminati familiy in their congregation and would like to talk to them about it. My question is, "How did they know they were Illuminati without even knowing them?". What I think they are trying to do is gain trust by exposing the secrets but even in his book he says the Illuminati put out their secrets and plans up front.

RP: I have also read that book you are referring to and on one of the pages he discusses how programmers test young children at an early age to see what occupations they are best suited for. One of the specializations was that of a, "social and religious reformer". Interestingly, ______ was interviewed by Contact: The Phoenix Liberator, which is regarded as a CIA "front" tabloid. Anyhow, during the interview he was asked what his calling was and he replied: "to be a social and religious reformer".

MK: Yes, and I know of one survivor who drew a picture of a man at a ritual. Now this was several years ago before ______ became well known. I showed the drawing to his ex-wife and she knew right away that was him. She also showed it to her youngest son at he said, "that's daddy!"... I've seen the psychological evaluation of that young boy and it clearly shows PTSD [ Post Traumatic Stress Disorder] through sexual abuse.


Of course the name is blotted out but I could tell it was Fritz. I know he was written many books on mind control. He and Cisco Wheeler among their many works authored, The Illuminate Formula to Create an Undetectable Total Mind Control Slave It is a fact that Cisco Wheeler was a mind control slave of the MONARCH program. Fritz was in fact served with divorce papers and did spend a lot of time at Cisco's house.

FRITZ SPRINGMEIER – ANOTHER HUMAN TRAGEDY
http://www.eaec.org/expose/FritzSpringmeier1.htm

Springmeier became interested in the Jehovah’s Witnesses, even though he supposedly became a Christian during his ‘teen years. While attending Kingdom Hall, he met a woman who he eventually married and had a child together. This marriage did not last long, as his wife filed for divorce on the grounds of child abuse – a charge that was never proven. The custody rights of their young son went to her. Disgruntled over the court decision, Fritz kidnaped the boy and fled to Oregon from the mid-west. He eluded law enforcement for about two years and was finally captured by the FBI. Springmeier was sentenced and served an unspecified amount of time in a federal prison. Some time after his release, he went back to Oregon and became involved in a counter-cult ministry to JW’s called, Witness Inc.

Due to unresolved disagreements with the leadership of the organization, he abruptly left. Shortly thereafter, Fritz joined another ministry but departed for reasons unknown. Around this time period, Springmeier met a Christian woman and married for the second time. He jokingly told her the reason he married her was because of her bloodline, which comes from an Illuminati family. She later came to the realization that it may have been closer to truth than not.

In the early 1990's, Fritz decided to go into full time ministry, along with being a stay-home dad with their new born son. While doing research on the Illuminati, he came across a woman by the name of Linda Anderson, who uses the alias, Cisco Wheeler. She is reputed to be a survivor of MK ULTRA-MONARCH programming. Springmeier became fascinated by her vast wealth of information, which he used extensively in his newsletters and books. This fascination soon turned into an obsession as Fritz started regularly spending the night at her house in order to protect her from being accessed. Strangely, Cisco’s husband lived in another dwelling next to the house, but did not seem to mind Fritz staying there. Springmeier’s wife, however, was quite concerned and upset over her husband s close relationship with Cisco. He would tell those close around him that his wife did not understand how important it was that he stay close to Cisco because her life was in jeopardy and he was one of the few people that could truly help her.

As a result of all the turmoil within the Springmeier family, their youngest son was experiencing severe emotional problems. Fritz’ wife took him to a therapist for an evaluation. The therapist felt the youngster may have been traumatized through sexual abuse. Another counselor also evaluated the psychological report and drew the same conclusion.

One day, Fritz’ wife found a black box under their bed. To her astonishment, there were several fake ID’s with Fritz’ picture on many of them. He used such aliases as Ian McDiarmid, Peter Dunne, Amos Eicher, and Vernon Schwartz. Fritz’ wife could no longer deal with his deceptiveness, insensitivity and abandonment so she filed for a divorce.


Fritz Springmeier has in fact spoken in front of the Prophecy Club at least once. PrisonPlanet hosts that video in two parts (http://www.prisonplanet.com/121203bloodlines.html). It can be downloaded from this site (http://www.apfn.org/apfn/illuminati.htm) (scroll WAY down). I will have to go back through it over the holidays to see if it contains the following:
I saw a video of when he spoke at the Prophecy Club about the CIA programming Amish boys for assassinations. He slipped up and almost said, "we" do this and quickly changed it to, "they" referring to the CIA. It seemed to un-nerve him a little bit

It could be that he has spoken in front of the Prophecy Club more than once but he did talk about mind control in this particular lecture so going through this one is certainly a good start.

nomad
12-06-2005, 05:38 PM
Good info in the videos ... the NWO was good

in getting back at him. Looks like they framed

him good ... folks when someone gets it good by

the NWO it means the info is TRUE ! ! !


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Fritz Springmeier Gets 9 Years for " Bank Robbery "

Drew_J
12-06-2005, 05:48 PM
Yeah. I won't deny he's done some great work. It's just that this one page I came upon while googling the Rothschilds that posed the possibility I am posing is kind of eerie. Not only did he go to prison for a bank robbery he was most likely not involved in, but his ranch was at least once the victim of a government seige and then Fritz was smeared in the papers.

http://www.davidicke.net/newsroom/america/usa/030501a.html

nomad
12-06-2005, 06:05 PM
Here's a good link about Fritz and his info.

http://fritz-springmeier.dbs2000ad.com/

BvL
01-17-2006, 12:43 AM
He is one of the most knowledgeable and accurate people on the Illuminati that are alive today. Because of this he has damaged them badly. A lot of people involved with 'conspiracy' are unintentional spreaders of CIA psy ops so they get left alone but he delves deep into the mechanics of how their system works. He gives us the knowledge we need to put it out of action, so he is now sitting in jail. When he gets out he will be stronger I think, I wish him all the best because he is in quite a bit of danger.

Saturnino
01-17-2006, 06:05 AM
Fritz is one of the few people who points NAMES. His book on the bloodlines is excellent. The poor guy was so obviously framed.

Max
01-17-2006, 02:31 PM
He ... leaves alot of people feeling hopeless and confused...
Actually the complete opposite is true- he even addresses the point at length at the start of his Prophecy Club video. I suppose however there will always be some people that will feel hopeless and confused regardless of what is said but that's no reason to outcast a man who otherwise speaks the truth (not that I'm saying everything Fritz says is correct- nobody knows that).

Drew_J
01-20-2006, 11:19 PM
Nice to see this topic got some more attention recently. I like Fritz's work and it's not hard to see why he was framed. But again, I still can't get over what that child said about him.

RP: I have also read that book you are referring to and on one of the pages he discusses how programmers test young children at an early age to see what occupations they are best suited for. One of the specializations was that of a, "social and religious reformer". Interestingly, ______ was interviewed by Contact: The Phoenix Liberator, which is regarded as a CIA "front" tabloid. Anyhow, during the interview he was asked what his calling was and he replied: "to be a social and religious reformer".

psholtz
01-21-2006, 05:56 AM
After watching these videos, I think it'd be difficult to imagine a human being who is more ignorant and more uninformed of the NWO than Fritz Springmeister..

He should be classed in the same league as David Icke, and is nothing more than a danger only to himself and those who are foolish enough to listen to him..

Drew_J
01-21-2006, 11:42 PM
I'm pretty sure you can't put him with David Icke. For one thing, Fritz does not talk about reptilians. And another, Fritz was put in prison for what he wrote.

psholtz
01-23-2006, 12:49 AM
Drew_J wrote:
I'm pretty sure you can't put him with David Icke. For one thing, Fritz does not talk about reptilians. And another, Fritz was put in prison for what he wrote.
Are you sure he was in prison for what he wrote??

This stuff is both pretty tame and, at times, wildly inaccurate. Edward Griffin, author of "The Creature from Jekyll Island" writes far more explosive (and far more accurate) stuff than Fritz, and I don't think he's been thrown in the slammer yet..

Max
01-24-2006, 04:47 PM
psholtz wrote:
After watching these videos, I think it'd be difficult to imagine a human being who is more ignorant and more uninformed of the NWO than Fritz Springmeister..
Psholtz,

Could you please provide some analysis to illustrate you conclusion of Fritz’s ignorance. Is it the case that some of the information that Fritz presents is wrong? If so, it would be most helpful if you could list a few examples of bad information he presents in contrast to better sources. Is there another reason for your conclusion?


He should be classed in the same league as David Icke, and is nothing more than a danger only to himself and those who are foolish enough to listen to him..
Exactly how is listening to something of this nature dangerous? I suppose if you want to believe everything you hear you’ll end up with issues (like most people who listen to main stream news sources) but for those that reserve judgment, where is the issue? How is it dangerous?

BlueAngel
06-08-2008, 02:22 PM
Those persons who speak and/or write about Mind Control trauma-based programs are most probably disinformation agents and are not silenced through drastic measures that the powers that be deem necessary because they are not a REAL threat.

What mind control victim's story have you read, where you say to yourself, this is believable (mine?)or what mind control information have you read by those who profess to be "in the know" about this "cult," where you think to yourself this is believable?

How is it that Fritz, Icke and all the others have so much information about mind control programs if they are not disseminating truth and fiction because they are victims themselves?????

That is the most important QUESTION!?!

If they are not mind control victims themselves working as disinformation agents, how in the HELL do they know about these trauma-based programs?

Where did they receive their information?

If Fritz is a "mind control" victim/disinformation agent working for the NWO, perhaps he had a slip of the tongue and the FRAMING was a way to incarcerate him and use whatever means necessary in prison to get him back under control.

Framing was always used as a threat.

They can frame anyone they want.

Out of the Box
07-28-2008, 07:02 AM
I personaly find it hard to appreciate Christian conspirary theorists like Fritz Springmeier and Texe Marrs because they mix a lot of Christian mumbo-jumbo and a lot of hard to prove assumptions with their facts. Still, Springmeier doesn't seem like the kind of person to rob banks and his incarceration in 2003 for a bankrobbery during the '90s definitely smells like an attempt to silence and destroy the man for speaking out.... which makes me interested in re-evaluating his work :D

makaveli
10-01-2008, 12:54 PM
I personaly find it hard to appreciate Christian conspirary theorists like Fritz Springmeier and Texe Marrs because they mix a lot of Christian mumbo-jumbo and a lot of hard to prove assumptions with their facts. Still, Springmeier doesn't seem like the kind of person to rob banks and his incarceration in 2003 for a bankrobbery during the '90s definitely smells like an attempt to silence and destroy the man for speaking out.... which makes me interested in re-evaluating his work :D

agreed people should stop considering this as a christian vs illuminatti thing its iluminati vs the rest of us period. I've read a lil bit of his book online and he seemed to be talking a lot about the devils seed how the merovingan family was evolved from that and I am like uhh whateva.

However I think it was great he mentioned the thirtheen bloodlines by name.

By the way what makes you think he is in prison and not relaxing somewhere in the carribean??? I mean we are conspiracy therorits after all just because he supposedly went to jail doesn't nesecarly mean he is on our side. Possibilities are endless when speculating.

BlueAngel
10-01-2008, 06:04 PM
agreed people should stop considering this as a christian vs illuminatti thing its iluminati vs the rest of us period. I've read a lil bit of his book online and he seemed to be talking a lot about the devils seed how the merovingan family was evolved from that and I am like uhh whateva.

However I think it was great he mentioned the thirtheen bloodlines by name.

By the way what makes you think he is in prison and not relaxing somewhere in the carribean??? I mean we are conspiracy therorits after all just because he supposedly went to jail doesn't nesecarly mean he is on our side. Possibilities are endless when speculating.

Now, that's something to ponder.

Let us speculate further.

If he wasn't FRAMED for a bank robbery and this is disinformation, and instead taken out of circulation, what would be the purpose?

Being framed is a "scare tactic" that they use on those who are incarcerated amongst them in the event they escape and decide to speak out against them.

If he was merely taken out of circulation and is not serving time in jail, it could be that they wanted to send a message to certain people who have VITAL information about them using this "scare tactic" as a measure to silence, neutralize and contain them.

If he is an accomplice to this ploy, than he certainly is not one of us, but one of them.

I can't tell you how many times this threat was thrust on me.

BlueAngel
10-01-2008, 11:10 PM
I re-read this thread from page one and I am aghast at the first several comments after Drew's initial post.

In Drew's initial post, he references Fritz being accused by his first wife of child abuse.

Fritz kidnaps the child and runs off with him.

He spent time in prison before the alleged bank robbery.

His wife found a handful of fake ID's under their bed.

Ah, the list goes on and on.

He lived with Cisco Wheeler, apparently an MKULTRA/Project Monarch victim.

That is suspicious in and of itself.

Sounds like Mark Philips and Kathy O'Brieon.

There's always a handler on the scene.

Like I said, I am aghast.

How could anyone read this and think that Fritz was a moral man?

emerging
06-09-2010, 06:13 PM
I tried following a link here to find MK and to find out who this man is.
I'm looking for help escaping from illuminati and am most interested in resources -- can someone provide the name of a person who is not, err, a part of the illuminati and helps people who want to get out?
Thanks!

BlueAngel
06-09-2010, 11:47 PM
I tried following a link here to find MK and to find out who this man is.
I'm looking for help escaping from illuminati and am most interested in resources -- can someone provide the name of a person who is not, err, a part of the illuminati and helps people who want to get out?
Thanks!

Emerging,

I don't know what your back-story is regarding your claim that you are a MONARCH mind controlled slave and incarcerated by the Illuminati because you haven't given any background or provided any information as to how this fate had befallen you.

I will help you in any way that I can, but you need to give me some more information as to your situation.

Thanks,
BA

emerging
06-10-2010, 01:19 AM
BA --
I can understand that the veracity of my claim is hard to ascertain from one or two posts.
I guess I don't know how to talk about this or how to explain what has happened --
I learned that I was a monarch slave (or likely so; I may have my terminology wrong here) by a woman who basically got me to open up about the desperation in my life and who did some research regarding many of the memories and much of the imagery I was encountering.
She encountered illuminati information in looking up something I was describing to her about feeling like I was constantly spinning at times -- She found the information on "spin programming" --
Many other pieces of my life seemed to fit this premise as well --
I've referred to myself as "butterfly" for years, never really understanding my deeper meaning there. I've come to some memories that really weren't supposed to surface that fit with illuminati programming -
I don't really know how to explain this all.
BlueAngel, do you think you could offer some questions that I could answer here that might help you to ascertain my veracity?
I just don't know where to start, and much of this is still not conscious to me.
Thanks.

BlueAngel
06-10-2010, 11:23 PM
BA --
I can understand that the veracity of my claim is hard to ascertain from one or two posts.
I guess I don't know how to talk about this or how to explain what has happened --
I learned that I was a monarch slave (or likely so; I may have my terminology wrong here) by a woman who basically got me to open up about the desperation in my life and who did some research regarding many of the memories and much of the imagery I was encountering.
She encountered illuminati information in looking up something I was describing to her about feeling like I was constantly spinning at times -- She found the information on "spin programming" --
Many other pieces of my life seemed to fit this premise as well --
I've referred to myself as "butterfly" for years, never really understanding my deeper meaning there. I've come to some memories that really weren't supposed to surface that fit with illuminati programming -
I don't really know how to explain this all.
BlueAngel, do you think you could offer some questions that I could answer here that might help you to ascertain my veracity?
I just don't know where to start, and much of this is still not conscious to me.
Thanks.

Sorry, but no, I don't think I can offer any questions that might help you to ascertain your veracity.

I asked you a couple of questions in another thread and you said you felt as if you were on trial.

No need for that.

Best regards,
BA