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Akbar
12-16-2005, 07:49 PM
Indonesian Muslims to Guard Churches on Christmas


Indonesians in Jakarta, ahead of Christmas celebrations.(Reuters)

JAKARTA, December 9, 2005 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Muslim volunteers in Indonesia will guard churches on Christmas Eve after warnings of attacks on the religious places during the holiday season, a Muslim group said Friday, December 9.

Members of a youth wing – Banser group -- affiliated with Indonesia's largest Muslim group Nahdlatul Ulama (NU) will be posted to churches across the world's largest Muslim-populated nation to guard against possible attacks during Christmas festivities.

"It's our tradition. It is our obligation to protect one another as members of the nation," NU deputy chairman Masdar Masudi told Agence France Presse (AFP).

Masudi did not say how many volunteers would be deployed in the country but said Banser had about 4,000 members nationwide who could help.

Indonesia's intelligence agency warned Wednesday that information indicated that attacks may be planned by extremists over the Christmas-New Year period in large cities across the sprawling archipelago, including Jakarta.

Indonesia has 87 to 90 percent of its population that follows Islam while lesser than 7 percent follows Christianity. The rest are indigenous people.

Collaboration

The Muslim group had persuaded youths from other religions to join protecting the churches, Reuters reported.

"We have an annual program to set up posts to secure Christmas. For this year, I have contacted groups from other religions like the Hindhus and Buddhists and they have responded positively," said Tatang Hidayat, national coordinator of NU's Banser group, known for its military-like uniform.

Hidayat said the volunteers would closely collaborate with existing police operations and the churches' own security.

Jakarta police said Thursday they would deploy 18,000 officers over the Christmas-New Year season.

In 2000, several small bombs exploded at churches, killing 19 people, including a Banser member guarding a church in East Java, and injuring many more in what was seen as an attack against Christianity.

The Muslim nation was rocked by a series of blasts in recent years, the most recently was on the tourist island of Bali in October when suicide bombers killed 20 people.

Although Indonesia has been relatively calm in recent weeks, many security analysts say threats of attacks still run high because police have yet to catch one of the alleged masterminds of previous bombings, Malaysian-born Noordin M. Top.

redrat_
12-18-2005, 04:36 PM
Aren't you Muslims going to be protecting the Christian churches from other Muslims.

Marcos
12-18-2005, 05:57 PM
Exactly, But which muslims are real Muslims???

redrat_
12-18-2005, 06:00 PM
Well, isn't it a bit telling that you can't tell the difference.

Marcos
12-18-2005, 06:25 PM
It wasn't a statment or a question for that matter, Just for you to ponder over.

redrat_
12-18-2005, 07:20 PM
Having read the Koran as translated by N. J. Dawood and having understood the translation and the explicit tone, meaning, and style of the words recorded therein, I need spend no time pondering any statement that you could make concerning this post. Thank you for your interest and be assured I understand from where it comes. Now you ponder this.

Akbar
12-19-2005, 02:09 PM
redrat,
The same question could be asked about Christians when they were burning down black Churches in the south. The difference was that it was not Muslims burning down Churches in the south, but white Christians burning down black Churches all in the name of Jesus. The post was meant to share what mainsteam media purposefully ignore in their war on Islam.

redrat_
12-19-2005, 08:25 PM
What question?
I have read the Koran, I have read the Bible. I choose the Bible and The Messiah. I am not a Christian as is understood by the modern usage of the word. I fully understand Saturnalia and I fully understand the various pagan trappings added on to Christianity by Constantine and others. For instance the fir tree of Baal and on and on. Now learn this: I choose the Bible and Jesus Christ above the Koran and Mohammad not out of ignorance, but from study of both sources along with the Rig Veda and the Mahabharata of Hindu studies. The GOD I choose and the CHRIST I choose are of the Bible and not of the modern Churches. It is not my duty or place to try to change the belief of you are any other. I await my appointed destiny and feel disgust at most that I have seen the human race do to this earth and to the living beings upon it. Human, animal, insect, plant, and the mother Earth itself. If, in your opinion, my position is one that will effect me a place in Hell (since no traditional hell is ever mentioned in the Bible) then so be it. Is this something that you can understand. Remember, I have read the Koran and notice that I, no matter what my opinion about it is, have shown it respect.

Akbar
12-19-2005, 08:54 PM
redrat,
I respect your belief. The Quran states that those who are Christians that beleive in God and who perform good works will be awarded by Allah. My point is not to convert anyone to my religion. Only God can put Islam in your heart. My mission is to fight ignorance especially the type that is fed by the NWO in it's attempts to destroy the moral fabic of Islam like it has done Christianity.

redrat_
12-19-2005, 09:20 PM
And That I can respect. The Majority of Christians today listen to the Bible instead of studying it. Many could learn much from the study of Abraham (Abram), Issac, and Ishmael and the fact that not all Hebrews are Jewish and not all Jews are Hebrew. This is a study that few touch. They confuse the Tribe of Judah with the entire House of Israel even Taking the name of Israel as being exclusive to the Tribe of Judah alone. The Tribe of Judah (Jew) was one twelfth the House of Israel with the remnants of Benjamin and Levi (The levitical Scribes not High Priests).

Marsali
12-19-2005, 10:24 PM
Akbar,
You say that your point is not to convert anyone to your religion.
But this seems to contradict most of your posts, which appear to be designed to make white people feel guilty for being white, and if they happen to be a white Christian, then you really pour on the guilt trip. You never miss a chance to blame whitey for just about any issue that comes up on the forum.

In order for a Islamic cultural invasion to succeed here in the U.S., it's basically comes down to the same method that's being used for making sure that the NWO agenda succeeds. Both groups (though I don't believe that all Muslims are racists like Akbar) must try to convince Christians (especially white Christians) of their own intrinsic inferiority. We know how this is being done by the proponents of the NWO agenda, and Akbar is using the same methods.

Akbar
12-20-2005, 08:47 PM
Marsali,
You are mistaking my posts for yours. Most of your post are racist and are from racist sources like American Renaisance. When ever I challenge you white racists on my post you cannot repond with an intelligent reponse. On the other hand, when I repond to your posts, I tell you the source of where you got it and why it is another source of NWO propaganda. There is no need for me to play the white guilt card. I can care less how whites feel as long as you do not revert back to the werewolf and just start killing nonwhites on sight like the Aussies are currently doing.

Marcos
12-20-2005, 10:24 PM
I thought this is a place to discuss the conspiracies that are taking shape all around us, and the biggest one is that muslims and christians are ennemies and that they ARE intrinsically different religions.
If you are brainwashed into beleiving that then my freinds you are barking at the wrong tree.
This post was intended to show that muslims don't want to destroy churches but protect it, even from fellow misguided muslims.
Peace

Marsali
12-21-2005, 12:34 PM
Exactly, Marcos. This is a place to discuss the NWO agenda, and the conspiracies that pertain to this. But Akbar isn't here to discuss these things. His agenda is to degrade whites and Christians.

Akbar
12-21-2005, 02:41 PM
I always attack the NWO agenda. The NWO was established using white supremacy to conquer the world. Now that whites have been used to that end, they are being discarded like used toilet paper. I have shared this in all of my posts, but for some reason you see it as an attack on white Christians. Where were you when white Christians were creating havoc on nonwhites over the world while they were on their quest to conquer the world led by the NWO. White Christians were used to oppress nonwhites and to enslave them. Now when I bring light to their actions like other freedom fighters have done you attack me? Attack the NWO, they are the party that led the whites to committ their actions, not me.

Marsali
12-21-2005, 03:26 PM
It's not as if we don't know that some Christians had slaves and oppressed nonwhites and other whites, but not all Christians have participated in this. Just like the fact that not all Muslims are terrorists.

Christians are not infallible. Just because some Christians have participated in oppression doesn't mean that there is something wrong with the Christian religion. Human beings are self-centered and weak.
You make grand statements that make it sound as if all white Christians are oppressors, which isn't true, and you know it.

And what is your ultimate goal in constantly harping on this?

Ahmad
12-21-2005, 06:12 PM
peace,

Malcolm X before Submission:

" White people are born devils by nature."
"Thoughtful white people know they are inferior to black people."
"When you want strong coffee, you ask for black coffee. If you want it light, you want it weak, integrated with white milk. Just like these Negroes who weaken themselves and their race by this integrating and intermixing with whites"
"The world since Adam has been white--and corrupt. The world of tomorrow will be black--and righteous. In the white world there has been nothing but slavery, suffering, death and colonialism. In the black world of tomorrow, there will be true freedom, justice and equality for all. And that day is coming--sooner than you think."

---------------------------------

After:

"I am not a racist.... In the past I permitted myself to be used...to make sweeping indictments of all white people, the entire white race and these generalizations have caused injuries to some whites who perhaps did not deserve to be hurt. Because of the spiritual enlightenment which I was blessed to receive as a result of my recent pilgrimage to the Holy city of Mecca, I no longer subscribe to sweeping indictments of any one race. I am now striving to live the life of a true...Muslim. I must repeat that I am not a racist nor do I subscribe to the tenants of racism. I can state in all sincerity that I wish nothing but freedom, justice and equality, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all people."

The Multiracial society (http://www.usn2161.net/multiracialsociety.html)

12-21-2005, 06:16 PM
I was inspired of my messengerhood on the night of destiny (11/22/2003), then of the USN on 12/16 the same year. Afterwards the corrections of the religious duties as well as the good news/warning of 119 were given to me gradually.
I am a 28 year old (8/22/1977), half Egyptian/Japanese male, i got a B.Sc in mechanical engineering from Cairo University.
I am God's messenger to all of you.

Ahmad Nishitoba
The messenger of God

Akbar
12-21-2005, 07:43 PM
Ahmad,
That was a nice flowery piece on Malcolm X. That was what was presented to the media. The truth of the matter is that both Malcolm X and the Honorable Elijah Muhammed had made previous trips to Mecca. Malcolm X always knew that Islam was multiracial. He had plenty of contact with Muslims of other races while in the Nation of Islam. What made his last trip to Mecca different was that he wanted to use it as a sign of his break from the Nation of Islam and his embace of the civil rights movement. Even after his statements he still held the belief that Allah had chosen American blacks to revive true Islam as brought by Muhammed. This belief is slowly becoming a reality. All American blacks will not become Muslim, they are too attached to their slave masters. Only 5% of them need to become Muslims in order to revive true Islam.

12-21-2005, 08:53 PM
Ahmad Nishitoba
The messenger of God

Akbar
12-23-2005, 09:40 AM
God will always be sending messengers until the end of time. He just won't be sending anymore Prophets because there is no need to. The last message for man's salvation has already been delivered. It is the job of the messengers to direct man's attention to that message.

Ozziecynic
01-03-2006, 05:44 AM
Akbar:
:-o Yet another cut and paste article thread Akbar!! Can you atleast try to type your own thesis style post for once rather than simply plagerising and copying texts wholesale without permission!.
I am sure the writer and publication of these pieces would take great interest in the way you are copying their work adlib in this careless fashion. Gees where would you be without this technology Akbar?. :roll: :-?

Akbar
01-04-2006, 11:43 AM
Ozzie,
The source of the article is stated in the article. I know you are lead by your emotions instead of your brain. Lets see you write something in your own words rather than try to turn people away from the knowledge in my posts.

Ozziecynic
01-04-2006, 07:23 PM
:lol: aK: Thats easy,every single post i have ever posted. You see unlike you i do Not cut and paste articles by others which are suppose to be found with effort by anyone with net connection and computer!.I see posters that need to cut & paste articles here as pretty weak cognitively!. :-P :-D

Akbar
01-06-2006, 09:53 AM
Oz,
I'm still waiting for you to post something original. I have yet to see you post anything of substance. Better yet you have not posted anything at all. Get off the bench and get in the game.

Ozziecynic
01-07-2006, 12:47 AM
Akbar:
.k Point taken akbar! However if you look in the questions about this forum section under Dear Henry you will see there exactly what my intentions are with cc are from now on, this would explain why you my think I am using heart rather than head quite frankly i tired of being serious all the time.Frankly i find muslims amusing in a sick kind of way and like to get laugh at their expense!. :lol: :-P

I respect your belief. The Quran states that those who are Christians that beleive in God and who perform good works will be awarded by Allah.
:-? However just for you and to change the direction of my mood i will state that with your above statement the christianity is Religion of Faith based in Christ and faith in Christ alone for salvation it is not a Religion of Works as you put it, and no amount of works will win favour with christ at the end of the day faith in him saves not works!
That is why i see Islam as completely incomptaible with christianity and the only types that would try to reconcile them are those new age sects that believe in universal creeds like Masons,Theosophists,Bahai etc.. in their manic wish to centralise everything and create false harmony by standardisation to material ends!. :-?

Akbar
01-07-2006, 10:25 PM
Oz,
How can you have faith without good works? According to the Bible faith without works is a dead matter. Works confirm your faith. Didn't Jesus perform good works? You seem to shed your beliefs more times than a snake sheds his skin. One time you were a Nazi, a rainbow, then a white racialist, now you say you are just a Christian. What next an pimp?

Ozziecynic
01-08-2006, 02:12 AM
:-o How can you have faith without good works? According to the Bible faith without works is a dead matter. Works confirm your faith Didn't Jesus perform good works?.
Read the above post again this time try to comprehend it properly as i meant exactly what i stated the first time and have no intention of repeating it!!. You are Muslim by your own admission not a christian, stick to what you know.You do not understand the Bible clearly indeed not even all those that claim to be christian understand it properly,so you dont have a hope in Hell!.

You seem to shed your beliefs more times than a snake sheds his skin.
Really I dont see why!.

:-o :roll: One time you were a Nazi, a rainbow, then a white racialist, now you say you are just a Christian. What next an pimp?
.k akbar it seems you need to resort to below the belt methods to win a debate so let me set the facts straight as they should be minus your slander and low blows!.First of all akbar:
1)I have never claimed to be Nazi
2)I have never claimed to be Gay!.
3) I have also never claimed to be a christian so far,although I am one!.
4)I have definately never claimed to be Pimp! Huh shame on you so called pure Muslim Holy man you!!.
You have attempted to fabricate and twist things to because you cannot win an arguement against me!You are a piss poor debater and need to resort to framing to win an arguement it seems!.
:-x

Akbar
01-09-2006, 11:43 AM
You are wrong, I know Christianity and the Bible better that most of your Christian leaders. As for the names, those are the names you supported in earlier posts. When I asked for Gays to respond, you responded. When we shared info. on the Nazis, you defended it and suggested a proper name for Nazis. You come from the same point of view as most white Chrisitans on this site, which is that you are the chosen people and everyone else is fuel for hellfire. So I have to be the lone voice in the wilderness of cc fighting for true, justice, and equality.

madcow
01-09-2006, 08:56 PM
Islam and the Place of Women

1) Wives are considered the sexual property of their husbands.

Qur'an 2:223 Your wives are a tilth (cultivated land) for you, so go into your tilth when you like, and send beforehand for yourselves.



2) Muslim wives are to be totally dependent and obedient to their husbands.

Qur'an 4:34 Men are the maintainers of women, with what Allah has made some of them to excel others and with what they spend out of their wealth. So the good women are obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded. And those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the beds and chastise them. So if they obey you, seek not a way against them.



3) Men can divorce and remarry the same women many times.

Qur'an 2:230 So if he divorces her (the third time), she shall not be lawful to him afterwards until she marries another husband. If he divorces her, there is no blame on them both if they return to each other (by marriage), if they think that they can keep within the limits of Allah. And these are the limits of Allah which He makes clear for a people who know.



4) Men can marry up to four women if they can support them currently.

Qur'an 4:3 And if you fear that you cannot do justice to orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you will not do justice, then marry only one or that which your right hands possess. This is more proper that you may not do injustice.



5) Childbearing Muslim women should be fully covered in public.

Qur'an 24:31 And say to the believing women that they lower their gaze and restrain their sexual passions and do not display their adornment except what appears thereof. And let them wear their head-coverings over their bosoms. And they should not display their adornment except to their husbands or their fathers, or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or those whom their right hands possess, or guileless male servants, or the children who know not women's nakedness. And let them not strike their feet so that the adornment that they hide may be known. And turn to Allah all, O believers, so that you may be successful.



6) Only old women can go out in public without being fully covered.

Qur'an 24:60 And women past childbearing, who hope not for marriage, it is no sin for them if they put off their clothes without displaying their adornment. And if they are modest, it is better for them.

55132
01-09-2006, 09:51 PM
Akbar wrote:
Oz,
How can you have faith without good works? According to the Bible faith without works is a dead matter. Works confirm your faith. Didn't Jesus perform good works? You seem to shed your beliefs more times than a snake sheds his skin. One time you were a Nazi, a rainbow, then a white racialist, now you say you are just a Christian. What next an pimp?

THe text you quote only shows that to prove that you have faith you should should have works which means that you must live a Christian life not that you need wirke to be saved. Being saved is a gift from God because no man is capable of winning salvation by works.

Akbar
01-10-2006, 05:07 PM
55132,
You prove my point. You cannot be saved unless you incorporate the word of God in your life. Those are the good works that will save you.

madcow
01-10-2006, 06:36 PM
MUSLIM SCRIPTURE
Note: The Qur'an is a perfect book so says the Muslim god allah.

Qur'an 2:1-4 I, Allah, am the best Knower. This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who keep their duty, who believe in the Unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We (demons) have given them, and who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are sure.



Note: The Qur'an is a blessed book that verifies the Holy Bible.

Qur'an 6:93 And this is a Blessed Book We (demons) have revealed, verifying that which is before it, and that you may warn the mother of the towns and those around her. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they keep a watch over their prayers.



1) The Qur'an has no structure per Western and Islamic scholars.

Western: The matter of the Koran is exceedingly incoherent and sententious, the book evidently being without any logical order of thought either without any logical order of thought either as a whole or in its parts. This agrees with the desultory and incidental manner in which it is said to have been delivered. McClintock and Strong's Encyclopedia, Volume 5, page 151.

Islamic: Unfortunately the Qur'an was badly edited and its contents are very obtusely arranged. All students of the Qur'an wonder why the editors did not use the natural and logical method of ordering by date of revelation. 23 Years, Ali Dashti, page 28.



2) The Qur'an was revealed in perfect Arabic so says the Muslim god allah.

Qur'an 12:2 Surely We (demons) have revealed it - an Arabic Qur'an - that you may understand.

Qur'an 13:37 And thus have We (demons) revealed it, a true judgment, in Arabic.

Correction: The Qur'an contains over 100 foreign (non-Arabic) words.

The Qur'an contains sentences which are incomplete and not fully intelligible without the aid of commentaries; foreign words, unfamiliar Arabic words, and words used with other than the normal meaning; adjectives and verbs inflected without observance of the concords of gender and number; illogically and ungrammatically applied pronouns which sometimes have no referent; and predicates which in rhymed passages are often remote from the subjects. 23 Years, Ali Dashti, page 48.



3) Mo-ham-mad claims his god created everything in eight days. (2+4+2=8)

Qur'an 41:9 Say: Do you indeed disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two days, and do you setup equals with Him? That is the Lord of the worlds.

Qur'an 41:10 And He made in it mountains above its surface, and He blessed therein and ordained therein its foods, in four days; alike for all seekers.

Qur'an 41:12 So He ordained them seven heavens in two days, and revealed in every heaven its affair.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that everything was made in six days.

Genesis 1:31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Exodus 20:11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day.

Exodus 31:17 "It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed."



4) Mo-ham-mad claims that Abraham and Ishmael built the Kabah in Mecca.

Qur'an 2:125 And when We (demons) made The House a resort for men and a place of security. And: Take you the place of Abraham for a place of prayer. And We (demons) enjoined Abraham and Ishmael, saying: Purify My House for those who visit it and those who abide in it for devotion and those who bow down and those who prostrate themselves.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Abraham did not dwell in Mecca.

Genesis 12:5 Then Abram took Sarai his wife and Lot his brother's son, and all their possessions that they had gathered, and the people whom they had acquired in Haran, and they departed to go to the land of Canaan. So they came to the land of Canaan.

Genesis 13:12 Abram dwelt in the land of Canaan, and Lot dwelt in the cities of the plain and pitched his tent even as far as Sodom.

Genesis 17:8 "Also I give to you and your descendants after you the land in which you are a stranger, all the land of Canaan, as an everlasting possession; and I will be their God."



5) Mo-ham-mad claims that Abraham settled some of his offspring in the valley of Mecca.

Qur'an 14:37 Our Lord, I have settled a part of my offspring in a valley unproductive of fruit near Your Sacred House, our Lord, that they may keep up prayer; so make the hearts of some people yearn towards them, and provide them with fruits; happily they may be grateful.

Correction: The Holy Bible states Ishmael never dwelt in Mecca.

Genesis 21:20-21 So God was with the lad; and he grew and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. He dwelt in the Wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Abraham sent his other sons east toward Ur.

Genesis 25:6 But Abraham gave gifts to the sons of the concubines which Abraham had; and while he was still living he sent them eastward, away from Isaac his son, to the country of the east.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Isaac never dwelt in Mecca.

Genesis 25:11 And it came to pass, after the death of Abraham, that God blessed his son Isaac. And Isaac dwelt at Beer Lahai Roi.

Genesis 26:6 So Isaac dwelt in Gerar.

Genesis 26:17 Then Isaac departed from there and pitched his tent in the Valley of Gerar, and dwelt there.

Genesis 35:27 Then Jacob came to his father Isaac at Mamre, or Kirjath Arba (that is, Hebron), where Abraham and Isaac had dwelt.



6) Mo-ham-mad claims that Moses was adopted by Pharaoh's wife.

Qur'an 28:9 And Pharaoh's wife said: A refreshment of the eye to me and to you - slay him not; maybe he will be useful to us, or we may take him for a son. And they perceived not.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Moses was adopted by Pharaoh's daughter.

Exodus 2:10 And the child grew, and she brought him to Pharaoh's daughter, and he became her son. So she called his name Moses, saying, "Because I drew him out of the water."



7) Mo-ham-mad claims that Haman served Pharaoh in Egypt.

Qur'an 28:8 So Pharaoh's people took him up that he might be an enemy and a grief for them. Surely Pharaoh and Haman and their hosts were wrong-doers.

Qur'an 29:39 And Korah and Pharaoh and Haman! And certainly Moses came to them with clear arguments, but they behaved haughtily in the land; and they could not outstrip Us.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Haman served in a Persian court centuries later.

Esther 3:1-2 After these things King Ahasuerus promoted Haman, the son of Hammedatha the Agagite, and advanced him and set his seat above all the princes who were with him. And all the king's servants who were within the king's gate bowed and paid homage to Haman, for so the king had commanded concerning him. But Mordecai would not bow or pay homage.



8) Mo-ham-mad claims that Mary was disobedient to her parents.

Qur'an 19:16-17 And mention Mary in the Book. When she drew from her family to an eastern place; so she screened herself from them. Then We (demons) sent to her Our spirit and it appeared to her as a well-made man.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Mary was in her home town of Nazareth.

Luke 1:26-27 Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin's name was Mary.



9) Mo-ham-mad claims that Mary was in a remote place during her pregnancy.

Qur'an 19:22 Then she conceived him; and withdrew with him to a remote place.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Mary was in a city in Judah.

Luke 1:39-40 Now Mary arose in those days and went into the hill country with haste, to a city of Judah, and entered the house of Zacharias and greeted Elizabeth.



10) Mo-ham-mad claims that Mary gave birth to Jesus Christ under a palm tree.

Qur'an 19:23 And the throes of childbirth drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She said: Oh, would that I had died before this, and had been a thing quite forgotten!

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Mary gave birth in a stable for animals.

Luke 2:7 And she brought forth her firstborn Son, and wrapped Him in swaddling cloths, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.



11) Mo-ham-mad claims that soon after giving birth, Mary returned to Nazareth.

Qur'an 19:27 Then she came to her people with him, carrying him. They said: O Mary, you have indeed brought a strange thing!

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Joseph took Mary and Jesus to Egypt.

Matthew 2:13-15 Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream, saying, "Arise, take the young Child and His mother, flee to Egypt, and stay there until I bring you word; for Herod will seek the young Child to destroy Him." When he arose, he took the young Child and His mother by night and departed for Egypt, and was there until the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, "Out of Egypt I called My Son."



12) Mo-ham-mad claims that true believers pray toward Mecca.

Qur'an 2:144 Indeed We (demons) see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely make you master of the qiblah which you like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Jews prayed toward Jerusalem.

2 Chronicles 6:34-35 "When Your people go out to battle against their enemies, wherever You send them, and when they pray to You toward this city which You have chosen and the temple which I have built for Your name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their supplication, and maintain their cause."

Daniel 6:10 Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went home. And in his upper room, with his windows open toward Jerusalem, he knelt down on his knees three times that day, and prayed and gave thanks before his God, as was his custom since early days.

Note: Jesus Christ taught Christians not to pray towards a physical location.

John 4:21-24 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."



13) Is a day for allah 1,000 or 50,000 years for mankind?

Qur'an 32:5 He orders the Affair from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a day the measure of which is a thousand years as you count.

Qur'an 70:4 To Him ascend the angels and the Spirit in a day the measure of which is fifty thousand years.



14) Mo-ham-mad claims that Jesus Christ did not die on a cross.

Qur'an 4:157 And for their saying: We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of Allah, and they killed him not, nor did they cause his death on the cross, but he was made to appear to them as such.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Jesus Christ died on a cross.

Philippians 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.



15) Mo-ham-mad claims that Jesus Christ is not the Son of God.

Qur'an 9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. These are the words of their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before. Allah's curse be on them! How they are turned away!

Correction: The Holy Bible states that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

2 John 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.



16) Mo-ham-mad claims that only white people will be saved and was a racist.

Qur'an 3:105-106 On the day when faces turn white and faces turn black. Then as to those whose faces are black: Did you disbelieve after your belief? So taste the chastisement because you disbelieved. And as to those whose faces are white, they shall be in Allah's mercy.

Correction: The Holy Bible states that salvation is found in Jesus Christ not skin color.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Note: The Holy Bible has been validated by the "Dead Sea Scrolls" and numerous Greek manuscripts.

Akbar
01-11-2006, 07:24 PM
Madcow,
When will the Christian spook speak in his own words instead of hiding behind false scholars who have been easily defeated bv Islamic scholars years ago.

madcow
01-11-2006, 10:06 PM
STATUS OF THE WIFE IN ISLAM
One of the more controversial issues in Islam is the Quran’s authorization for husbands to beat disobedient wives. This is found in chapter 4, called “Women”, verse 34. Additional information on Islamic wife beating is found in Muhammad’s Traditions (Hadith), and Sira (biographical material). Many people have criticized Islam because of this harsh sanction, and many Muslims have written articles seeking ways to mollify or defend it. In review of the actual teachings of the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, Islam is rightly criticized. This command is not only a harsh way to treat one’s wife, it portrays the degraded position of married women in Islam. It will be shown from the Quran, Hadith, Sira, and other Islamic writings that this “Islamic” wife beating is physical and painful.
Please note that wife beating is not only an Islamic problem. It is a common occurrence throughout the entire world. Some cultures accept it more readily than others. However, Islam accepts the practice to an extent that Muslim societies do not see it as a problem.
Before moving on and addressing the subject of Islamic wife beating in detail, I want to pause and examine a more crucial point: the exhortation to beat the disobedient wife is not an aberration, oddity, disjointed concept, or stand alone element, in Islam’s positioning of females, rather, the command to beat disobedient wives is founded upon a woman’s subservient / secondary status in Islam. You cannot separate the issue of wife beating apart from the context of her inferior position in the marriage relationship.
To fully comprehend the issue of Islamic wife beating her position with respect to her husband must be first understood. Wife beating is allowed because of the lower position she occupies. A person with a severe virus may run a high fever. While the fever can be quite a grave problem it is actually a symptom of another sickness at work. Wife beating is a symptom of the wife’s degraded status in Islam. Beyond the right of husbands to beat their disobedient wives, there is a deeper, more pernicious, disease at work. Wife beating is merely the bad fruit of a bad root. Once this element is understood the rationale behind Muhammad’s command to beat disobedient wives comes into focus and fits in its proper place.
When I first began to study the topic, I did not realize that an Islamic marriage is not equivalent to a Christian marriage. Its rules, roles, and requirements are quite different. In a Christian marriage, the husband is given the role as head of the household, and the wife is expected to submit to the husband’s leadership. However, she is his equal in terms of social and religious status; she is not inferior to him. In Islam, the husband is the custodian of his wife. She is considered to be in-between slave and free. The woman is managed and controlled. The relationship between a married woman and her husband is similar to the relationship between parents and children. Parents have a responsible custody of their children and expect their obedience. When children are disobedient they are disciplined and sometimes spanked. Muhammad’s viewpoint of women was that they lack self-control, and thus for their own good, and societies’ good, they must be subordinate to their husbands. They must obey. Although an adult women is more mature and capable than a child she is still not equal to a man; thus is subject to him. Islam teaches that men are superior to women. When a man gives his bride a dowry, he is accredited the right to manage his wife. By accepting his dowry, a woman is giving her husband the right to her regulation.
I am not saying that the wife is the husband’s slave. Her status is above that of a slave. Muhammad urged his followers to treat their wives well. He did not want to see them beaten without cause. He wanted good marriage relationships between husband and wife. However, his desires for happy marriages and kind treatment do not mitigate the authority he gave men over women or the position he ascribed to women. In Islamic thought, in Muhammad’s thought, the wife is not considered the husband’s equal, rather, she is an inferior, subordinate partner, who is to be treated gently and kindly, but still under the man’s authority. While the Muslim husband may love and respect his wife and treat her with great kindness, the foundational principles of their marriage remain. If she persists in disobedience to his wishes he has the right, even the responsibility, to beat her, to bring her into submission once again, and re-establish a “happy” marriage.
In this article, I am going to address the primary theme of Islamic wife beating based upon the teachings of the Quran, Hadith, Sira, and renowned Islamic scholars. Following that I will present information on both the physical and psychological damage women suffer as a result of being beaten then present a review of current wife beating in America, the Mideast, and elsewhere. I will pose some questions for thought, present a short conclusion, and provide places to call for help. I’ve also included short reviews of some key words and review of a prominent Muslim scholar’s attempt to mollify Muhammad’s command to beat disobedient wives.

Ozziecynic
01-12-2006, 07:44 AM
You are wrong, I know Christianity and the Bible better that most of your Christian leaders. As for the names, those are the names you supported in earlier posts. When I asked for Gays to respond, you responded. When we shared info. on the Nazis, you defended it and suggested a proper name for Nazis.
8-) I was actually trying to bait you akbar and it worked all hook, line and sinker!.
It had nothing to do with the subject matter of the threads or posts it was all about playing the man and not the ball and i admit it, still it was fun!.Lets Just call it a little Mussie bashing and you fell for the bait!. :-P :lol:

You come from the same point of view as most white Chrisitans on this site, which is that you are the chosen people and everyone else is fuel for hellfire.

Ofcause Akbar our paths through faith lead us to opposite sides just like Gordon Pasha of Khourtoum vs the Mahdi of Sudan or Lawrence of Arabia when he decided to ditch his arab pawns and chose his master the British Government.
As in history, you are see the inevitable Clash of civilisations is destined to take place I guess you could say it is written for both of us whether it be the Bible or the Quran!.Naturally there can also be only one winner!.

However for me the real stupid and angering thing is that moronic mainly left wing social engineers in our own western nations have allowed you backward bedouins to live in countries like Australia in the first place and are even encouraged by our local NWO traitor class to maintian that draconian culture!. :-x

So I have to be the lone voice in the wilderness of cc fighting for true, justice, and equality.
:-o :lol: Hah give us a break akbar most posters here know Islam is a religion that oppresses several groups including women and infidels to name only two!.I suppose your idea of equality is sharia law! :-?

Akbar
01-14-2006, 07:34 AM
OZ and Madcow,
It's all the same game. The West and Christianity is dying while Islam is perfecting it's light. It is going to be the only thing left standing.

Ozziecynic
01-19-2006, 02:31 AM
It's all the same game. The West and Christianity is dying while Islam is perfecting it's light. It is going to be the only thing left standing.
:-? Are you really certain of this akbar or is it a case of AlQueda and certain young arabs muslims that are playing that same game in western nations like Australia right now which paint them as afro gangster drug dealing Pimps and rapists, extortionists embezzlers and just about every other organised crime vice as reflection of Islam, but actually showing them to be a perfect example of the Nihilist culture of the NWO in this case it appears Islam is dying slow death at its own hand by the infiltration of western trash pop culture via the US to its youth!.

All i can say hell of alot of Muslim shiekhs are going to look very stupid very soon if not already trying to explain themselves as Holy if this degeneration in Muslim youth continues!. :roll:

Akbar
01-19-2006, 11:58 AM
Oz,
The marjority of Muslims do not see these people as true Muslims. They are sen as bait to draw others to attack Islam. All of them are heavily protected by the West. It the West allows the leadership in Saudi Arabia to fall then all of the extremies would fall with them.

Ozziecynic
01-21-2006, 06:24 AM
How can you have faith without good works? According to the Bible faith without works is a dead matter. Works confirm your faith.
Just to go back to this comment akbar which i had almost forgotten about. First of all you are a Muslim, yet arrogant enough to believe that you understand both religious texts(Bible& Quran) throughly and that you will somehow trounce me on both a tall order indeed!.
A challenge which you can only hope to lose because clearly you do not understand the NT message of the messiah.
You see in the NT one is saved by faith (Grace) alone not works as Jesus makes clear in many NT passages. The fact that you do not understand this fundermental tenet of christianity only proves how little you understand Christs message in the NT.

Didn't Jesus perform good works?
:-? Christ performed good works ofcause because he was the Messiah he was entitled to perform goods however the average christian is merely asked to place their faith in christ as saviour for salvation nothing more. Works are not required in christianity for salvation!.

In many way your interpretation of the Bible is similar to the way the Jews interpret it as the idea of works saving more than anything else, it is very much an OT concept of the old Hebrew Pharisees and Saducees etc the kind that jesus come to rest authority away from because they were corrupt and believed such works based faith doctrine so it is clear you abrahamic brothers have more incommon with each other on that point than us christians. Who would have ever thought that Jews and Muslims have so much incommon religiously speaking but there you have it!. :-?

Akbar
01-21-2006, 05:45 PM
Oz,
You proved my point! How can the message of Jesus bring peace to the world without good works. It takes good works to be able to maintain faith in the world. Faith is not something you have and keep without struggle. Our faith is challenged everyday. Even Jesus was challenged by Satan. So it is our good works that keep us in the faith. I understand that the majority of Christians do not understand this. So that is why many have lost there way, due to a false understanding. If anything is worth having, it takes work to get it. Anything that comes without struggle is not worth having and you will easily lose it and this is what has happened in the world. The majority of people have lost their soul and it is going to take good works tobring their faith back.

madcow
01-21-2006, 06:44 PM
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d146/clubc/akbaronBible.jpg

Ozziecynic
01-22-2006, 04:58 AM
You proved my point! How can the message of Jesus bring peace to the world without good works. It takes good works to be able to maintain faith in the world. Faith is not something you have and keep without struggle. Our faith is challenged everyday. Even Jesus was challenged by Satan. So it is our good works that keep us in the faith. I understand that the majority of Christians do not understand this.
:roll: Try reading that last post of mine again akbar it is clear you did not read or comprehend it properly!.
You still do not understand christs message and are no closer to doing so than five of your posts earlier on this issue.:roll: Not that I believe for a minute that you are sincerely trying to understand what I am saying you are too conceited in your tunnel vision for that!. :-?

Anyway why are you continuing to claim to understand christianity when you have already chosen you faith in life with Muhammad,you already know there is no concilation between Christianity and Islam so stop stirring the pot unnecessarily on Christianity as i have not been arrogant enough to claim to know your holy book the Quran and do not rubbish it the way that you are trying to rubbish christianity so please show me as a christian the same respect! :-?

Akbar
01-23-2006, 11:32 AM
Oz,
The holy Quran is the correction of the Bible. THe holy Quran also states that Muhammad is in the Bible. So I only bring light to that fact. I haven't said anything disrespectful about the Bible. I have only shared the true. If you were Muslim then I would communicate with you using the holy Quran, but you claim to be Christian, so that is why I communicate with you using the Bible as the foundation. I am not being arrogant when I state that I am proficient than most when it comes to the Bible. I have yet to meet a Christian that does not use the same knowlege that was given to him in Sunday school or by a priest who is also lost. I have not met a Christian to defeat what I am saying by any logic. They only result to childish tactics like Madcow the clown.

Ozziecynic
01-24-2006, 05:53 AM
The holy Quran is the correction of the Bible. THe holy Quran also states that Muhammad is in the Bible.
The Quran is NOT the Bible akbar its as simple as that end of the matter!.

I am not being arrogant when I state that I am proficient than most when it comes to the Bible.
Except for one verse about the trinity which i happened to agree with you on, you still do not understand the Bible. Especially the NT the most important and defining section for christians which give us the life and times of Jesus Christ as christian messiah and saviour.
The Bible is not the Quran it is not the same as islam and never can be because Jesus is God one in the trinity not a mortal messenger. Besides if i wanted to believe such anti christ trash i would simply seek out a trendy luciferian beliefs e.g the "Da Vinci Code" or "Holy blood Holy Grail" I wouldnt waste my time looking for apostasy from a raghead that wouldnt be a very trendy move for an NWO operative!. :roll: :-P

Akbar
01-24-2006, 11:03 AM
Oz,
I never said the holy Quran is the Bible. I stated it is a correction of the Bible. All of the Roman paganism that was mixed with the religion has been purified through the holy Quran. There is no way to compare the two. I simply reference the Bible, because it refutes the trinity concept itself. The Bible is at war with itself about the foudational understanding of your belief. In the Bible it has Jesus as a prophet, it has him as being divine, then as god. Jesus himself shows through his actions that he is not God or have the substance of God. There is nothing more that I can say about that matter.

Ozziecynic
01-25-2006, 06:46 AM
I am finished discussing Religion with you period Akbar you seem a little dense in some cognitive areas!
ONE MORE TIME END OF RELIGIOUS DISCUSSION AKBAR!!

Akbar
01-26-2006, 06:12 PM
Oz,
Why do you continue to run from the truth?
Is it too painful?

blackstarr
02-15-2006, 09:29 PM
The devil runs from truth because it is too painful.

Akbar
02-23-2006, 08:24 AM
This original post of Muslims guarding Churches on Christmas becomes more honorable each day. When we look at the blowing up of a sacred Mosque in Iraq and the infighting of Muslims and Christians in Nigeria over a cartoon. We need more noble acts like this by all religions. This act is good but we need more to try to head off this planned religious war that will lead to WWIII.