View Full Version : Population Control?

12-28-2005, 06:32 PM
by Lete Kidane
with Tesfaye Ghebremariam & Wolde Beraka

The "conventional wisdom" of the west is known to just about everybody these days -- in fact, the advice of foreign governments has been promoted so extravagantly that it has become an incessant drumbeat that never changes. When it comes to population, the opinion heard around the world is really very simple: There are too many people in the world. Population is growing too fast. Family planning methods must be made available to every couple on earth.

This point of view has been stated so often, so force- fully, that some people are beginning to wonder if it isn t really true, after all. But behind all this propaganda are some strange contradictions and some fascinating puzzles.

First of all, one might ask: if the world is truly over- populated with five or six billion inhabitants, why are some rich countries trying to increase their birthrates?

It is odd, but true, that most people in the industrial world are living under population policies. But these policies are not those that are found in developing na- tions. Rather they are intended to increase birthrates.

If you were a German in Germany and had a baby there, you would receive a cash "birth bonus" which was approved by the government for the sole purpose of increasing the number of births by 200,000 per year. France, Switzerland, Greece, and the Scandinavian countries have all adopted "incentive" measures to en- courage larger families. These include housing benefits, state maternity allowances, and a wide variety of regulations and subsidies making large families more attractive and affordable. The rest of the developed world is likewise working on tax breaks to large families and other measures which are believed to have a positive impact on fertility.

Yet these are the same countries (with the exception of Greece) that are contributing money for reducing population size in the developing world. Developed- country funds have financed the most repressive population control schemes in the world. They bankrolled the "state of emergency" declared in India during the mid-1970s that resulted in millions of men being hauled away in trucks and forcibly sterilised, and inspired the notorious "one-child" population policy in China which is enforced through compulsory sterilisations and abortions.

Next, you might ask: If population continues to grow, won t the environment suffer? The answer is probably not. It depends on other factors. Indeed, populous coun- tries tend to have greater resources available for environ- mental projects than do nations with fewer people. This is because there are more workers to pay for preservation and clean-up, research, etc. In fact, the pol- icy of boosting fertility in rich societies makes the whole environment argument seem ridiculous: donors of popu- lation "assistance" want faster population growth at home -- among the very people who already are consuming nearly 80 percent of the world s goods.

What about the "carrying capacity" of the planet -- are some countries becoming too crowded? This is a more complicated question. Calcutta might be called "crowded." Mexico City could be considered the same, and so could Manila or Lagos or Cairo. But the word "crowded" is almost never used to describe cities in developed countries, like New York, London, or Tokyo - - despite the fact that these cities are even more densely inhabited than are their counterparts in developing nations.

Population "density" measures "crowding." It works like this: Netherlands, for example, consists of 37,466 square kilometers of land. The country s population is 14.9 million. Therefore, Netherlands has 397 people per square kilometer of territory. In other words, if all of the nation s inhabitants were spread evenly throughout the country, each square kilometer of space -- every parcel of land measuring one kilometer one all four sides -- would contain 397 residents. Thus 397 is the population density of Netherlands.

England consists of 245,778 square kilometers with a population of 57.4 million, giving that country a density of 233 persons per square kilometer. In Germany, there are 221 people per square kilometer. And all of these countries want their own populations to increase.

Now look at the population figures for the countries that are being required against their will to slash birthrates by foreign aid donors and lenders. In Pakistan, for example, there are just 142 people for each square kilometer of territory. China, the most populous nation on earth with some 1.1 billion people, has a total land mass of 9.6 million square kilometers, giving it a surprisingly low population density of 116. Indonesia and Thailand -- two countries that have been subjected to particularly ruthless population-reduction campaigns -- have densities of only 99 and 108 respectively. The ratio of people-per-kilometer in Mexico is barely 45. In Ethiopia it is 42, meaning that Britain is more than sixteen times as crowded as Ethiopia.

Elsewhere the figures are even more startling. In Senegal, for example, there are 37 people for every square kilometer of land. In Brazil, there are fewer than 18. Somalia s population density is a mere 13. And in some places -- Namibia and Mauritania, for example -- there are less than two people for every square kilometer of territory.

Still, we have not completely answered the "carrying capacity" question. The debate implies that less-deve- loped countries cannot "sustain" as many people as rich countries can. But why not?

The nations of the north became wealthy through in- dustrialisation -- and industrialisation was made possible by raw materials extracted, mainly through the construction of vast colonial empires, from the southern half of the world. Even today, the natural resources on which the powerful countries depend must be imported from Asia, Africa, Latin America and the Middle East.

The other half of the "sustainable population" question is food. Most of the 549,146 square kilometers of land that make up France can produce crops for only about half the year. But in tropical Kenya, with roughly the same amount of space, the land can produce year- round. In other words -- at least in terms of food -- warm climates can sustain about twice as great a popu- lation density as the temperate regions (and we do not count other needs like fuel for heating that are disproportionately used in the north).

Unfortunately, however, there is a lack of basic justice in the world. Most of the usable land in France is cultivated, French technology is advanced, and the French can afford to import what they cannot grow. In Kenya, however, only a small percentage of fertile land is in cultivation, and the country is so poor that it must export most of what it grows.

But poverty is essentially a political experience. In terms of potential wealth, Kenya is way ahead.

In light of these facts, talk about "carrying capacity" appears little more than a new, sanitised way of speaking about "the white man s burden." People of European descent (or at least their governments) feel "burdened" by people of colour, and therefore would wish the earth to carry fewer of them.

Now we come to the matter of stability: Will population growth in the developing world lead to conflict? Birth control advocates are quick to use this argument as a last resort. It is part true and part false. Yes, urban areas as a whole tend to have more crime than do rural villages -- at least within a particular society. But when you compare across national borders, the picture changes dramatically. The crime rate (number of serious crimes reported compared to total population) in Shreve- port, Louisiana, U.S.A. (with 200,000 people) or Gary, Indiana (population 120,000) is immensely higher than it is in Addis Ababa (with 1,500,000 people) or in Cairo, Egypt (which has 20 million people).

But western strategic planners are more worried about international conflict than they are about car theft. They fear that as populations grow in the less-developed areas, pressures will mount for a redistribution of wealth from north to south. In this respect, they are undoubtedly right. This explains why such enormous effort is expended by the powerful nations of the world to gather census figures, project population growth rates, and evaluate political-demographic trends.

Data published by the U.S. government reveals, for instance, that there are some 21,790,956 males between the ages of 18 and 49 in Nigeria; of these, exactly 3,986,084 are "fit for military service." And another 1,297,790 male Nigerians -- no more and no less -- are likely to reach military age within the year, says the latest published country report.

In Sudan, slightly more than half of the 6,488,864 males between 18 and 49 are considered fit for military duty, and another 301,573 are expected to be added to this number over the coming year. India is reported to have 143,008,471 men suitable for the military, with more than 9 million added to that number each year. Brazil s potential troop strength of 28,721,849 today is expected to reach 30,377,767 within the year. And fully 71 percent of males in the Philippines between the age 15 and 49 are fit for combat, with over 700,000 more expected to join their number annually.

This is the nature of the population and conflict equation. It explains the eagerness of certain densely- settled western countries to encourage births at home, while demanding, at the very same time, that less- peopled territories on the other side of the giant, global divide take outrageous steps to prevent fertility. Simply stated, current population trends -- rapid growth in the south, and potential decline in the north -- hint at a shift in the balance of power at some time in the future.

This also explains otherwise inexplicably-cruel programmes of structural adjustment, the conversion of agriculture to export production, and other policies that impoverish the emerging states of the south. These actions are intended to make population growth difficult -- and thus to contribute to the development of national de-population policies.

The "over-population" propaganda may be simple. And it may have been freely circulated around the world for so long that it has come to be taken for granted.

But hearing is not believing. The contradictions are not invisible. And suspicions of evil motivation do not die. Rather, they grow in proportion to pressures from the overseas.

12-28-2005, 10:09 PM
A very well written article I have been argueing for years that the two things that would help the environment is a much larger population so we would have more resouces and increassed production of scale and two get rid of big bussiness they ARE the problem!

Oh and where is the link?

12-28-2005, 10:11 PM
I think one day you will have your way Akbar and the whole planet will explode in war and death. Maybe then you can ride to Heaven on a jackass as Mohammad did.

12-29-2005, 02:35 AM
interesting article.

Could you please add a couple of data points, which would make it more relevant.

The U.S. uses 3.5 times as much energy to produce food as makes it to the plate...clearly unsustainable.

So could you add the food import/export ratio to these countries ?

Do the high population density countries somehow miraculously feed their flock, while the low density countries struggle agians population control ?

The world will never be overpopulated.

12-29-2005, 03:44 PM
:-? Since when did Arab Muslims ever give dam about the natural environment anyway you all live in desert!I guess you would like to make the rest of the world into a giant desert as well and subject all us infidels to shariah law!. :-?

12-29-2005, 07:18 PM
Please at least try to read the article posted and respond with intelligence. You sound like an NWO operative. You don't speak on the issue. You speak only to pull the people from the real topic at hand.

12-30-2005, 09:35 PM
You sound like an NWO operative. You don't speak on the issue. You speak only to pull the people from the real topic at hand.
:lol: Ofcause your Bullshit amuses me hence the provocation to stir you!. NWO operative whoa!, guess what i have news for you there are probly several on cc and other forums like it, not to mention makow and the whole forum are garbadge tip bait for the flie catchers.Dont get me started on those wonderful tools that are al Queda, but i digress thats for another thread! 8-)

btw:Happy new jihad year to you. Will be ready and waiting mussies just like cronulla beach Au and hail victory!. :-D

01-04-2006, 10:18 AM
To attack all nonwhites and Muslims is actually what the NWO want you to do. That is why I referred to you as a NWO operative. It seems that you are operating from their playbook.

01-07-2006, 12:34 AM
To attack all nonwhites and Muslims is actually what the NWO want you to do. That is why I referred to you as a NWO operative. It seems that you are operating from their playbook.
Akbar surely you are joking! The NWO wants a multicoloured melting pot with false tacky harmony as standard!
The US is not anti Islam as you may think they are simply anti any state which stands in the way of their hegemony of the globe! They get on very well with King Fard and the Saudis especially the Bush family they also get on well with,Kuwait, Bahrain, Lebannon,Jordan and Pakistan all Muslim nations, to claim the US which is the NWO is anti Muslim is simply not correct!.
Dont you realise the Saddam Hussein was secular arab leader not a Muslim fundie, so how is attacking iraq being overtly anti muslim, as so many one the left like to claim!.And speaking of operatives for the NWO your in a fine position to talk with the biggest operative agent provocaturs of violence and terror in the world there is with your al queda!. Akbar i think you are fundie yourself arent you because you sound more and more like one with each twisted post!.

01-07-2006, 09:11 PM
When the U.S. and other Western countries drop bombs on Muslims countries they are not dropping them on the leaders you mentioned. They are dropping them on the population. The relationships that the U.S, have with the leaders you mentioned do not have anything to do with Islam. It is only about control of those countries using those leaders as puppets to control their populations. Saddam was just a puppet that got out of control, Everything coming out of Western media is negative towards Islam. Islam is the final battlefront for the total enslavement of mankind. Everthing else has been defeated by the NWO.

01-08-2006, 12:37 AM
:-? When the U.S. and other Western countries drop bombs on Muslims countries they are not dropping them on the leaders you mentioned. They are dropping them on the population. The relationships that the U.S, have with the leaders you mentioned do not have anything to do with Islam.
They do because the leaders or dictators are all Muslims and in the case of Iran the leaders have been Muslim fundies.They are also if not elected by the people, led to power on popular uprisings or Revolutions like the Iranian one in 1979.
So I dont understand your argument that Muslim people in these countries are somehow blameless and not responsible for their leaders and their regimes!.The leaders like King Fard in saudi arabia are billionaires loaded with asests yet they do nothing to help their people or fellow Muslim nations because they greedy corrupt and selfish yet they all claim to be Muslims. Note that countries like Lebannon Saudi Arabia,Bahrain,Jordan etc.. do nothing to help the Palestinians or Iraq, Iran or any poorer Muslim nations why, because they are plain greedy and selfish just like any secular human beings give them little money and western lifestyles and the teachings of allah go out the backdoor!.Your claims are full of holes akbar!. :-?

01-09-2006, 10:32 AM
You are speaking in tongues. In Islam a Muslim is recognized by his actions not his verbal expressions like Christianity. You proved my point that the leaders you mentioned are not really Muslim, but only call themselves that for political purposes. Just like most of you right wingers say about that rainbow GWB. i'm sure all of those leaders share the same religion as GWB, because all of their actions appear to be the same.

01-09-2006, 08:00 PM
1) Faithful Muslims cannot eat bacon or sausage for breakfast in the name of Jesus Christ.

Qur'an 2:173 He has forbidden you only what dies of itself, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked.

2) Faithful Muslims cannot eat a ham sandwich for lunch in the name of Jesus Christ.

Qur'an 5:3 Forbidden to you is that which dies of itself, and blood, and flesh of swine, and that on which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked, and the strangled animal, and that beaten to death, and that killed by a fall, and that killed by goring with the horn, and that which wild beasts have eaten - except what you slaughter; and that which is sacrificed on stones set up for idols, and that you seek to divide by arrows; that is a transgression.

3) Faithful Muslims cannot eat pork chops for dinner in the name of Jesus Christ.

Qur'an 6:146 Say, I find not in that which is revealed to me nothing forbidden for an eater to eat thereof, except that it be what dies of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine - for that surely is unclean - or what is a transgression, other than the name of Allah having been invoked on it.

4) Faithful Muslims will starve unless the food is blessed in the name of Allah only.

Qur'an 16:115 He has forbidden you only what dies of itself and blood and the flesh of swine and that over which any other name than that of Allah has been invoked.


01-10-2006, 04:18 PM
The white devils will not be successful!

01-10-2006, 05:42 PM
Why Quran is not from God:

Muhammad produced no miracles and when pressed he claimed that his miracle is the Quran. Yet a cursory look at the Quran reveals that this book is full of errors. Quran is replete with scientific heresies, historic blunders, mathematical mistakes, logical absurdities, grammatical errors and ethical fallacies. It is badly compiled and it contradicts itself. There is nothing intelligent in this book let alone miraculous. Muhammad challenged people to produce a “Surah like it” or find an error therein, yet Muslims would kill anyone who dares to criticize it. In such a climate of hypocrisy and violence truth is the first casualty.

01-12-2006, 07:22 PM
The Christian spook speaks! I seriously doubt you are Christian. I think you are a Christ killer! The Quran is the greatest miracle. It has awaken the dead, made a blind man see, basically all of the miracles that Jesus has done it was done with the Quran. How? because all of the miracles that Jesus performed were symbolic. So they are the same miracles performed by the Quran. All of the things you state have been documented about the Bible not the Quran. In fact I think you copied the quotes from a work done about the Bible. All of your posts are illogical and stupid. When you respond with intelligence then you will be ready to challenge me. Until then try to figure out how I found out you are a Christ killer.

01-12-2006, 09:13 PM
The Islamic spook speaks! I seriously doubt you are Islamic. I think you are a plain killer! The Quran is not a miracle. It insured the dead, made a sighted man blind, basically none of the miracles that Jesus did. Nothing was done with the Quran. How? because none of the miracles that Jesus performed were symbolic. So they are not the same miracles performed by the Quran. All of the things you state have been documented about the Quran not the Bible. In fact I think you copied the quotes from a work done about the Quran. All of your posts are illogical and stupid. When you respond with intelligence then you will be ready to challenge. Until then try to figure out how I found out you are just a plain killer.

01-13-2006, 02:47 PM
Wow! How original, try to use your own brain if you have one.

01-13-2006, 04:48 PM
Wow! How unoriginal, try to use your own brain if you have one.

01-13-2006, 04:51 PM

01-13-2006, 04:55 PM
TKO! in the 15th round for MADCOW, sorry Akbar I call it like it is.

01-14-2006, 06:04 AM
A TKO without a battle. How brainless! Madcow is a miserable Christ killer who refuses to debate with me because he does not have any thoughts of his own. Case in point. He will just use my words and turn them around. Of course I expect you to side with him. who knows, you may be the same person using another name.

01-14-2006, 06:29 AM
YOUR claims about Islam are false.

01-14-2006, 08:02 AM
I was never in a battle and my intelligence has not been challenged by anyone on this site. Now that I have soundly defeated madcow and a line of other white racists. Are you next?

01-14-2006, 08:03 AM
I do not need to speak for Islam. It speaks for itself. It will be the only thing left standing, because it is the way of life God selected for man.

01-14-2006, 09:29 AM

01-14-2006, 02:03 PM
This is your logic? I guess since this man and others who say they are Muslims, the whole religion is evil. So using this logic then the Christians that did the holocaust, the Atlantic slave trade, witch trials, etc. The list of crimes committed by Christians is endless, but you people hold it against the people who committed those acts and not Christianity. The truth should set you free!

01-15-2006, 07:31 PM
Is every problem in the World the fault of Zionist and Christian Zealots Akbar? I have read your post's since you first signed onto CC, and I've yet to read anything bad about ISLAM from you. You don't represent Islam anymore than Jerry Falwell represents Christianity. And even if you did represent ISLAM, I think you'd turn back any sane person from practising that religion. God Forgive you for your religous beleifs.

01-16-2006, 06:20 AM
It seems that you read my posts without thinking. Yes, the world is currently under the control of Zionist who use Christian zealots like yourself to do their dirty work. I never have read a post by you with anything good to say about Islam, while I have posted good things about both Jews and Christians. So God forbid you for your satanic religious beliefs.

01-16-2006, 08:46 AM
Ok, so you say Zionist are in "control" of the world, then what you really are saying is that JEWS and Christian Zealots are Demon Possesed or are you saying that the world's peoples are just stupid Goyim, and not capable of independent thought?

01-17-2006, 01:05 PM
I think most people on this site understand that the NWO is trying to end all religion by getting both Christians and Muslims to fight each other. So if you play into the game plan of the NWO by attacking someone just because they are of a different religion, you play into their hands and will be nothing more than cattle. The holy Quran has a blueprint for peace because it already acknowledges the fact that Jews, Christians, and others who sincerely believe in God and the last day will be rewarded with heaven. There is no other religion that makes that type of statement. That is why I see the attacks on Islam to be satanic inspired.

01-17-2006, 01:34 PM
Point well taken Akbar, I don't think I've attacked your Religion per se, I just think that so called "Good Muslims", have'nt spoken out on the barbaric actions of the "Wahabbi" who seek to destroy anything and anybody who does'nt follow their views of the Quaran. The world is waiting for Condemnation of the Fannatics of that "branch" of Islam.

01-18-2006, 07:00 AM
The support of the Wahabis are coming from the leadership of the West. Bush and the rest of the Western leaders treat the Saudi royals as family members. The U.S. has soldiers over there to protect them. They are always informed of any U.S. attacks in the region before they happen. So actually, white Christians are the protectors of the Wahabis. In fact there is strong evidence that the Wahabis were started with strong British support to cause a wage in Islam. You seem to believe everything the media say hook, line, and sinker. If you ever decide to research Islamic history you will see that most Muslims have been against this brand of Islam since it began. The only thing that keeps it going is Western support. Why? because it paints a bad picture of Islam, and invite others to attack the religion. It is also the branch responsible for leading Muslims in a war against Christianity. The evangel Christians are responsible for leading Christians in a war against Islam. When you study both groups, you will see that most of their beliefs are similar except they are in different religions. The key factor is that both believe that you cannot be saved if you do not have their point of view, which means that there can never be peace unless you see it their way.

01-18-2006, 01:55 PM
i don't know where we disagree Akbar, I would'nt be on this forum if i got my news from the liars.

01-19-2006, 01:10 AM
and a line of other white racists. Are you next?
:-P Just to upset your false sense of security Akbar, I havent gone anywhere.Just because I dont always reply to your posts or dont post here consistantly doesnt mean i have gone away i have real life to live ofcause so i dont have the time to waste here that I would like does that answer the question on whether you believe i have quit the eternal argument with you!. :-D

01-19-2006, 10:54 AM
It's good to have you back!

02-21-2006, 07:11 AM
Debating is good and we should not see it as a problem. It only becomes a problem when you debate off the posted subject and I see that happen a lot of times.

02-23-2006, 07:11 AM
Well debating that leads to insults, lead to physical fighting, leads to murder, which leads to population control. Where does it end?