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get_real
02-27-2005, 12:33 PM
Wonder if I can get an answer from a freemason:
What does the 'God' in "In God We Trust" stand for?
Thanks, get_real

PS: I think I know, but...

nohope187
04-23-2005, 08:36 PM
I'm not a mason even though bltonwhite thinks so. But "God we trust" is refering to the money it's printed on. :-P :pint: :evil: :-o :oops: 8-) :hammer:

get_real
04-25-2005, 06:22 AM
Yes, its: "_______ Of the Document", I forget the first word. Starts with a G. (obviously,hehe)

nomad
04-25-2005, 06:20 PM
get_real wrote:
Wonder if I can get an answer from a freemason:
What does the 'God' in "In God We Trust" stand for?
Thanks, get_real

PS: I think I know, but...

This statement on US money is BRILLIANT

in that it diverts attention from the PRIVATE

nature of the currency and it instills TRUST

in you for the system. Gotta admit Satan

is smart !

Yeoshua
04-26-2005, 05:02 AM
Found this conclusion here - This topic seems to be a bit of a hot potato.
And not being from America, it's not a subject I'd like to give a personal comment on.

In God we trust, all others pay cash!
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/ingodwe.htm

This brief history of the paths by which the national motto, "In God We Trust", was born and caused to be placed on our paper currency and coins and the words "under God" were added to the Pledge of Allegiance demonstrates that these actions were never approved by the mass of the American people but were the result of opportunistic actions of, by and large, two religious fanatics acting 90 years apart. But James Pollock and Matthew Rothert could only accomplish these acts with the inadvertent help of Theodore Roosevelt and the acquiescence of many government officials and elected representatives who forgot that they were charged with upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States. What can be done about this situation? For the present, perhaps, nothing, but we can still correct the false ideas that many persons hold that "In God We Trust" has "been on our money since year 1" and that the presence of the motto indicates that we are a Christian nation and thus the mass of us should accommodate Christians when they seek to override the Constitution. Then perhaps someday we can restore the proper motto for our diverse nation, E Pluribus Unum, to its rightful place as emblematic of American democracy.



On the aluminum cap atop the Washington Monument in Washington DC are two words: Laus Deo. No one can see these words. In fact ... most visitors to the monument have no idea they are even there and ... for that matter ... probably could care less! But there they are ... 555 feet, 5.125 inches high ... perched atop the monument to the father of our nation ... overlooking the 69 square miles which comprise the District of Columbia ... capital of the United States of America.


Laus Deo! Two seemingly insignificant, unnoticed words ...out of sight and, one might think, out of mind ... but very meaningfully placed at the highest point over what is the most powerful city in the world. And what might those two words ... comprised of just four syllables and only seven letters ... mean? Very simply ... "Praise be to God!"


Though construction of this giant obelisk began in 1848 when James Polk was President of the United States, it was not until 1888 that the monument was inaugurated and opened to the public. It took twenty five years to finally cap the memorial with the tribute Laus Deo! Praise be to God!


From atop this magnificent granite and marble structure ... a visitor can take in the beautiful panoramic view of the city with its division into four major segments. And from that vantage point one can also easily see the original plan of the designer, Pierre Charles l'Enfant ... a perfect cross imposed upon the landscape ... with the White House to the north ... the Jefferson Memorial to the south ... the Capitol to the east ... and the Lincoln Memorial to the west. A cross ... you say? How interesting! And ... no doubt ... intended to carry a meaning for those who bother to notice. Praise be to God!


Within the monument itself are 898 steps and 50 landings. As one climbs the steps and pauses at the landings the memorial stones share a message. On the 12th Landing is a prayer offered by the City of Baltimore; on the 20th is a memorial presented by some Chinese Christians; on the 24th a presentation made by Sunday School children from New York and Philadelphia quoting Proverbs 10:7, Luke 18:16 and Proverbs 22:6. Praise be to God!


When the cornerstone of the Washington Monument was laid on July 4th, 1848 deposited within it were many items including the Holy Bible presented by the Bible Society. Praise be to God! Such was the discipline, the moral direction, the spiritual mood given by the founder and first President of our unique democracy ... "one nation, under God." I am awed by Washington's prayer for America. Have you never read it? Well now is your opportunity ... read on!


"Almighty God; We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection; that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government; and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United states at large." "And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." Laus Deo!


As you might have guessed ... I kind of like the idea that our Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase "under God." It is clear when one studies the history of our great nation that Washington's America was one of the few countries in all the world established under the guidance, direction and banner of Almighty God, to whom was given all praise, honor and worship by the great men who formed and fashioned her pivotal foundations.


"And I have the right to feel so about you all, because I have you in my heart, all of you . . . For God is my witness how I long for you all in the heart of Christ Jesus." (Phil 1: 7-8)

Ahmad
04-26-2005, 06:07 AM
Peace be upon you,

The god in "In God we trust" stands for the one god of all the people, not Jesus or money but God, the Lord of the universe.

Regardless of Satan's motives, God controls the overall plan and He has delivered us a prophecy that America will be the first country to embrace "Submission" the true religion, and from there it will spread around the world.

This is why the strongest currency in the world has the motto 'In God we trust', no coincidence.

[64:13] GOD: there is no other god besides Him. In GOD the believers shall trust.

Jimbo
04-26-2005, 08:44 AM
Masonic Symbolism – :-o :-o :-o

<img src="http://www.inspirebydesign.com/images/289_web_logo_for_site.jpg">
Templar Tarot (http://www.inspirebydesign.com/images/289_web_logo_for_site.jpg)

From: http://www.inspirebydesign.com/pages/926274/index.htm

Notice the “similarity” of the previous “Templar Cross” design to the following “Christian Cross,”…

<img src="http://www.christiansymbols.net/cross/image130.jpg">
Christian Cross Patee (http://www.christiansymbols.net/cross/image130.jpg)

From:
http://www.christiansymbols.net
http://www.christiansymbols.net/cross_page1.htm
http://www.christiansymbols.net/cross_page12.htm
http://www.christiansymbols.net/cross_page13.htm

The Eye In The Pyramid - Symbol Explanation

The Eye In The Pyramid – Masons’ Symbol For God
http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/eye_in_the_pyramid.htm

Freemasonry, The Knights Templar, Their History & Symbolism - From The Rosslyn Chapel's Perspective
http://www.rosslyntemplars.org.uk/index.htm

NOTE: These links are only the result of Internet research & do not represent an opinion of any kind.
8-)

get_real
04-26-2005, 09:59 AM
Folks, I'll have to go into the archives of our local newspaper and get the editorial section. A local resident had responded to a topic in regards to the government, money, secret organizations,etc...and mentioned the meaning of GOD on the currency.

NO! It is NOT the God that you go to church to worship!!!!

Please Ahmad!! Something tells me you know this!!

GOD is the faith, trust, even obedience to MONEY!!! that the people acknowledge. The PEOPLE who put the GOD on money in the first place. And the people who continue to serve it!! There are so many 'secret' little reasons for different things out there, that I wish THEY would stop bullshitting the peoples.
They play this little game of "two, two, two mints in one!" ,-- "two sides to the coin",-- "double-edged sword", --"both sides of the mouth" ----so that the common people are looked upon as such idiots!!

Like I've said before, I have my attention on community affairs, and the treatment of your average working class people, and I gotta tell you, I don't care if you make $5,000 a year or
$50,000 a year----you are shit in their eyes.
If you make a million or so, then maybe you'll be invited 'IN'.
With this new pope, something tells me we are now going to 'see things' from 'THEM' on quicker time frame. They've dilly-dallyed some, but not for long.
Keep alert. Be aware.

Jimbo
04-26-2005, 10:38 AM
The Church ? :-o :-o :-o

I was raised a catholic, however, I have not stepped into a church for years. All I saw, besides other things, was hypocrisy, an a superficial front, for an organization, that according to the way I was taught, would infuriate Christ again, just as he did during his life. I don’t understand how can so much poverty go unnoticed, when the Vatican has so much gold & so much wealth. Another thing is to sit side by side w/ gov officials that declare war on civilizations that have not done anything evil to us, except may be live on top of massive oil reserves. I do believe however, that God does not intervene in the affairs of men, even if we get to the point of near destruction, it does not mean that God does not exist. Part of the plan is for each individual soul to grow into spirit. These are lessons for us to grow upon.

As Christ was a rebel then, he would be one now. He didn’t take their side. And he would be killed again by the same people. People that incarnate the character of Christ are still being killed today.

I don’t buy their bullshit for 1 second…

You know good when someone does good. You know evil when someone does evil. And I haven’t seen any good being done by anyone for a long time… except by those who have sacrificed their own lives, as for example, Rachel Corrie, Marla Ruzicka, & many others who have been literally “crucified”... These are the true “Angels” among us...

The Real American
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1201&forum=23&post_id=9739

This obviously does not include those who kill others. Christ would have never killed anyone… not even his enemies. However, I am not passing judgement on anyone. Besides the fact that I am no saint, & am a sinner just like everybody else. That’s not my job (to judge), & if you need forgiveness, you need to get it directly from God. No man is an intermediary... & like Henry Makow said it, “Most of us are closer to insects than to God,”

Re: Best Lines....So Far.. – Post #76
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=488&start=70



Interesting Reference:

Christian Symbols – And Their Meanings – On-Line Book
http://www.christiansymbols.net
http://www.christiansymbols.net/book_index.htm - Index
8-)

Ahmad
04-26-2005, 07:49 PM
Salamun 'alaykum,

I do believe however, that God does not intervene in the affairs of men, even if we get to the point of near destruction, it does not mean that God does not exist.

This is a wrong idea Jimbo. Eventhough God doesn't intervene in our choices, He does in our actions.

For example, do you think anything you plan happens? why somethings don't happen? because of God's intervention.

Everything is controlled and happens only if it coincides with God's master plan.

So what is this plan? God LEADS ON the transgressors, who are blinded by money and power to commit the most hineous acts, untill they reach a point in transgression that incurs them the retribution.

Like Sodom and Gommorah, they followed the steps of Satan, from dirty jokes to adultery to homosexuality untill it became the dominant culture of the city, when that point was reached, they incured their requital instantaneously.

What about the innocent victims they abused? in God's system, nobody is harmed unjustly, which means that every Iraqi wronged deserve his fate, some as a punishment (for forgeting God) and some as a wake up call to bring them back to God.

But the bottom line is,

[4:40] GOD does not inflict an atom's weight of injustice. On the contrary, He multiplies the reward manifold for the righteous work, and grants from Him a great recompense.

God is in full control,

[10:61] You do not get into any situation, nor do you recite any Quran, nor do you do anything, without us being witnesses thereof as you do it. Not even an atom's weight is out of your Lord's control, be it in the heavens or the earth. Nor is there anything smaller than an atom, or larger, that is not recorded in a profound record.


Marla and Rachel were the victors, they are now in a much better place, as for the murderers they have incured the requital, we will all witness that very soon God willing.

Jimbo
04-26-2005, 08:56 PM
God’s Master Plan? - :-o :-o :-o

So, Ahmad, while you are at it,

1) Is it in God’s master plan, for powerful men in power to kill less powerful men, women, & children?
2) Are those killing the masses already condemned, or are any of them men of God?
3) Is everything bad that happens to you a punishment, as if you had it coming?
4) Is it part of the master plan for evil to try to dominate our minds & hearts until God decides, enough is enough?
5) What about the dualities in nature, light & dark, good & evil, the Ying & the Yang, love & hate, male & female. What is their purpose?
6) When are the 7 angels or arch-angels going to play their trumpets?

Please enlighten...
8-)

Ahmad
04-26-2005, 10:20 PM
Peace,

"1) Is it in God’s master plan, for powerful men in power to kill less powerful men, women, & children?"

Ofcourse not, this is Satan's plan, his goal is to gather followers in order to destroy them and their victims (the human beings). And to make it easier for you, try to look at one event from two different perspectives. But know that we can never know exactly God's plan, however we try to understand using the scriptures. For example the Israelis killed Rachel, if you ask Satan why? he might reveal his jealousy and hatred of the righteous, God-fearing individuals. If you try to understand God's wisdom, you may find it completely different, the Israelis are lead on to the edge of the cliff, while Rachel was simply summoned back to Heaven because she crossed the point of fear (when she stood infront of the bulldozer) and thus proved here faith, and earned a ticket back to Heaven. She was simply transferred back to Heaven, and rest assured that she didn't suffer beyond her means.
So every event happening has two natures, the blind only see what Satan has to show them, while the righteous can see through and understand (to some extent) God's wisdom behind it.


"2) Are those killing the masses already condemned, or are any of them men of God?"

Ofcourse they are condemned, God never advocates sin, killing is forbidden except in the course of justice, e.g: self defense.

[7:28] They commit a gross sin, then say, "We found our parents doing this, and GOD has commanded us to do it." Say, "GOD never advocates sin. Are you saying about GOD what you do not know?"

[17:33] You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder, he will be helped.



"3) Is everything bad that happens to you a punishment, as if you had it coming?"

Absolutely yes.

God is the Doer of Everything*

[4:78] Wherever you are, death will catch up with you, even if you live in formidable castles. When something good happens to them, they say, "This is from GOD," and when something bad afflicts them, they blame you. Say, "Everything comes from GOD." Why do these people misunderstand almost everything?

Nothing Bad Comes From God

[4:79] Anything good that happens to you is from GOD, and anything bad that happens to you is from you. We have sent you as a messenger to the people, and GOD suffices as witness.

*4:78 Bad things are consequences of our own deeds (42:30, 64:11), though God is the doer of everything (8:17). God created the fire to serve us, but you can decide to put your finger in it. We thus hurt ourselves. It is God's law that if you put your finger in the fire, it will hurt. Rashad Khalifa


"4) Is it part of the master plan for evil to try to dominate our minds & hearts until God decides, enough is enough?"

Well, this is why we are here, it is because we had doubts when Satan said that things can happen independent of God's will, he said that the creatures themselves are gods, e.g: the forbidden tree can grant eternal life on its own, and money can grant happiness regardless of its origin...etc. Thus we are here to decide once and forall if we believe God or Satan is truthful.

[3:179] GOD is not to leave the believers as you are, without distinguishing the bad from the good. Nor does GOD inform you of the future, but GOD bestows such knowledge upon whomever He chooses from among His messengers. Therefore, you shall believe in GOD and His messengers. If you believe and lead a righteous life, you receive a great recompense.

Satan uses all the creatures to tempt us and he is granted access (and a respite till the judgment day) to our minds, but he cannot control them except if we allow him. I believe that this year is the turning-year, when Satan's kingdom will be topelled, for now he is obviously controlling the resources and enslaving us all in his system (but remember that the ultimate controller is God), and this was planned by God so that people like the evil dictators be exposed and the righteous people like Rachel, Diana, Marla, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, ....etc prove their righteousness. However in all the scriptures there is a hidden prophecy of fulfilment for God's true worshipers of all natioanlities and colors, God says that at some point Satan's kingdom will be toplled (but he will still tempt the people) and the righteous will take over the rule of this dominion untill the final prophecy of God&Magog comes to pass 10 years before the end of the world (2280 AD), these are heathen communities that will eventually appear and fight the righteous.


"5) What about the dualities in nature, light & dark, good & evil, the Ying & the Yang, love & hate, male & female. What is their purpose?"

I believe their purpose is to emphasize that the visible is an illusion and the unseen is the reality. That we always have to look for the good point and God's message instead of being occupied with what Satan has to offer us. Also just imagine if we had a perpetual day forever! or night only, would we really feel God's hand in the universe! we would have lost hope and surrendered to the monotonous reality of Satan. But it is this duality that gives us hope in God.

[2:164] In the creation of the heavens and the earth, the alternation of night and day, the ships that roam the ocean for the benefit of the people, the water that GOD sends down from the sky to revive dead land and to spread in it all kinds of creatures, the manipulation of the winds, and the clouds that are placed between the sky and the earth, there are sufficient proofs for people who understand.

God's Blessings

[28:71] Say, "What if GOD made the night perpetual, until the Day of Resurrection? Which god, other than GOD, can provide you with light? Do you not hear?"

[28:72] Say, "What if GOD made the daylight perpetual, until the Day of Resurrection? Which god, other than GOD, can provide you with a night for your rest? Do you not see?"

[28:73] It is mercy from Him that He created for you the night and the day in order to rest (during the night), then seek His provisions (during the day), that you may be appreciative.

All what you can see and feel is but to prove to you that God is here and He is in full control.


"6) When are the 7 angels or arch-angels going to play their trumpets?"

I don't know about the seven angels, they are not mentioned in Quran, however the horn will be blown on the year 2280 to end the final battle between good and evil (God&Magog) and then everybody will be struck unconcious and then the horn will be blown again and everybody will be resurrected (and then the earth will be destroyed by the physical coming of God (and not Jesus) in dense clouds along with the angels, and a new earth and Heaven will be created) then everyone will be summoned before the Judge to present his defense, read his book and hear the judgment.

Jimbo
04-26-2005, 10:58 PM
God’s Master Plan? - :-o :-o :-o

Ahmad, thanks for taking the time to respond !
8-)

truebeliever
04-27-2005, 01:08 AM
I thought the whole point was that God withdrew and said basically..."I've worked hard to create you...now come to me of your own free will to a Father who loves you".

I set you free.

It is Satan who will be doing the destroying...we need only accept Gods love and it will end. God will empower individual human beings to confront naked power and aggression and bring peace on Earth.

When you and I take the time to do our little bits to fight this NWO program we are acting with the will of God behind us.

Bit by bit.

MasonTemplar
04-29-2005, 09:57 AM
The Washington Monument is comprised of many bricks from masonic temples that were donated by lodges from various locations in the U.S. Not all of the bricks are of this nature, but many are.
God doesn't not necessarily equate to Christianity - and the masonic tradition does not believe in the divinity of Jesus the Christ.
Pierre Charles l'Enfant was, himself, a mason.
More research would show that the cross that is formed by connecting those landmarks, mentioned in a previous post, are actually only part of a much larger symbol. If you include all of the aforementioned landmarks in addition to others, you'll notice that it forms a perfect pentacle, or the "Blazing Star." Other symbols formed in conjunction of other landmarks are an owl, or the "Molloch," which you can also find in the upper right hand corner of the dollar bill.
Another thing to note would be that many of the dedication ceremonies or unveilings of these landmarks happened at specific times of astrological star and planetary placements, right down to the hour and minute.
A good book on this topic is called Secret Architecture Of Our Nation's Capital: The Masons & The Building Of Washington, D.C. by David Ovason. He doesn't write in conspiritorial condemnation of it, quite the contrary. He's a proponent of the hidden meanings and ceremonies involved with erection of the capitols architecture.

nohope187
04-29-2005, 05:42 PM
MasonTemplar wrote:
He doesn't write in conspiritorial condemnation of it, quite the contrary. He's a proponent of the hidden meanings and ceremonies involved with erection of the capitols architecture.
And this is supposed to be a good thing? What the fuck you smokin' dude? I want some. Puff puff give mofo, you fuckin up the rotation. :-P

MasonTemplar
04-30-2005, 03:57 PM
I di'nt say it was a good thing. Unh uh...no I di'nt.
I mentioned that because often times a person can be more easily discredited if they are writing in oposition of something. This guy let everyone in on the secret because he was proud.
Is the architecture bad? In my opinion it ain't good as far as why, when, where, and who was involved in it's erection.
ooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTT...here.. .
here you go. Sorry for camping.

angle
05-01-2005, 04:07 AM
MasonTemplar wrote:

More research would show that the cross that is formed by connecting those landmarks, mentioned in a previous post, are actually only part of a much larger symbol. If you include all of the aforementioned landmarks in addition to others, you'll notice that it forms a perfect pentacle, or the "Blazing Star." Other symbols formed in conjunction of other landmarks are an owl, or the "Molloch," which you can also find in the upper right hand corner of the dollar bill.

Here's a good satellite picture of Washington courtesy of google.

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Washington+D.C.&ll=38.889263,-77.035489&spn=0.006545,0.008680&t=k&hl=en

MasonTemplar
05-02-2005, 02:31 PM
That's a good link. If you to the link, make sure you zoom out 3 times in order to get enough of the landmarks in the picture. If you look closely, you'll be able to make it out. You should also be able to make out the Triple Tau below the pentacle and to the right.

nohope187
05-03-2005, 06:39 PM
MasonTemplar wrote:
I di'nt say it was a good thing. Unh uh...no I di'nt.
I mentioned that because often times a person can be more easily discredited if they are writing in oposition of something. This guy let everyone in on the secret because he was proud.
Is the architecture bad? In my opinion it ain't good as far as why, when, where, and who was involved in it's erection.
ooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTT...here.. .
here you go. Sorry for camping.
oops! my bad. Thanx fer sharing. :-P

MasonTemplar
05-05-2005, 08:39 AM
No worries.

Jimbo
10-27-2007, 10:47 AM
Control Structures Of The NWO - ??? - :-o :-o :-o

Control Structures Of The NWO
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=3059&forum=15

But There Is Hope – Ron Paul 2008 – U.S. President
http://www.clubconspiracy.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=5895&forum=23

Thank God for "Freedom Of Speech"... An “Informed Citizen” makes a good “Patriot.”
8-)

Shadow
11-20-2007, 09:42 AM
The anti-catholic party that took over the construction society in 54 made quiet a few changes to the design. Above the lousy brickwork that was latter removed.